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#77 From: "Wolfgang Exler" <wolfgang_exler@...>
Date: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:10 pm
Subject: dead link in IPTC Photo Metadata Standard document
wolfgang_exler
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Hello everybody,

in the current IPTC Photo Metadata document (July 2009) is a link to
http://www.ifra.com/Persisting_Technical_Photo_Metadata.pdf
shown on the last page as a reference. This link is dead.

Can anyone provide me a link to that document?

Thanks in advance

Wolfgang

#78 From: harald.loeffler@...
Date: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:41 am
Subject: dead link in IPTC Photo Metadata Standard document
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Dear Wolfgang,

the link is alive again.

Harald


----- Forwarded by Harald Loeffler/IFRA/DE on 21.04.2010 09.44 -----

From:        "Wolfgang Exler" <wolfgang_exler@...>
To:        iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Date:        19.04.2010 14.11
Subject:        [iptc-photometadata] dead link in IPTC Photo Metadata Standard document




Hello everybody,

in the current IPTC Photo Metadata document (July 2009) is a link to
http://www.ifra.com/Persisting_Technical_Photo_Metadata.pdf
shown on the last page as a reference. This link is dead.

Can anyone provide me a link to that document?

Thanks in advance

Wolfgang



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#79 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:15 am
Subject: Photo Metadata Conference: all presentations ready for download
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The 4th international Photo Metadata Conference was held last week in Dublin in conjunction with the Cepic Congress.

 

Now all presentations are available for download on the Conference website www.phmdc.org :

-          Sarah Saunders on how to organise photo metadata workflows

-          Michael Steidl on what photo metadata standards are at all

-          Sarah Saunders and Abbie Enock on the project of a controlled vocabulary for categorising visual content and a user interface mock up for it

-          Mary Forster (Getty Images) and Andrew LaBonte (Corbis) on the impact of metadata on searching photos

 

Michael

 

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#80 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: Photo Metadata Usage Survey 2010 results
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CEPIC (www.cepic.org ) and the IPTC (www.iptc.org) conducted a survey among image supplier companies about their use of metadata.

 

The results can be viewed on the Photo Metadata Conference website:

 

The results from the supplier survey
The results from the client survey

Michael

 

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Registered in England, company no 101096

 


#81 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:27 am
Subject: Panels for IPTC Extension in Adobe (Bridge) from CS3 to CS5
mdiptc
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In 2008 the IPTC has introduced its newly developed IPTC Extension metadata schema adding more granularity to persons, locations and object in the image plus rights related metadata. First implementations appeared in 2009 and now metadata panels will be available for all Adobe versions from CS3 to CS5:

-          Adobe has added an “IPTC Extension” panel to its CS5 File Info panels which is available for all CS5 products.

-          For CS3 and CS4 a plug-in panel for Bridge will be available on 9 July. This panel is created by IPTC and PLUS and can be downloaded for free.

-          For both panels a detailed user guideline document will be available in July too.

 

Please check the Photo Metadata section of the IPTC website – www.iptc.org/photometadta - for the released panels and documentation.

 

Kind regards

 

Michael

 

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Registered in England, company no 101096

 


#82 From: David Riecks <david@...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: Panels for IPTC Extension in Adobe (Bridge) from CS3 to CS5
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At 01:27 AM 6/17/2010, Michael Steidl \(IPTC\) wrote:
>Please check the Photo Metadata section of the
>IPTC website ­ www.iptc.org/photometadta - for
>the released panels and documentation.

Michael:

I think you meant

http://www.iptc.org/photometadata

David


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#83 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:34 pm
Subject: RE: Panels for IPTC Extension in Adobe (Bridge) from CS3 to CS5
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David, you are right - thanks for fixing the typo.

Michael

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[mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Riecks
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:42 PM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iptc-photometadata] Panels for IPTC Extension in Adobe
(Bridge) from CS3 to CS5

At 01:27 AM 6/17/2010, Michael Steidl \(IPTC\) wrote:
>Please check the Photo Metadata section of the
>IPTC website - www.iptc.org/photometadta - for
>the released panels and documentation.

Michael:

I think you meant

http://www.iptc.org/photometadata

David


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#84 From: "hansfremuth" <hf_acc@...>
Date: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:54 am
Subject: Re: Photo Metadata Conference: all presentations ready for download
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Michael,

Thank You on behalf of all that couldn't attend the conference. I've downloaded
and enjoyed the presentations ever since 2007.

Best,

Hans Fremuth
Metability Software
"Know Your Files"
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--- In iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)"
<mdirector@...> wrote:
>
> The 4th international Photo Metadata Conference was held last week in Dublin
> in conjunction with the Cepic Congress.
>
>
>
> Now all presentations are available for download on the Conference website
> www.phmdc.org :
>
> -          Sarah Saunders on how to organise photo metadata workflows
>
> -          Michael Steidl on what photo metadata standards are at all
>
> -          Sarah Saunders and Abbie Enock on the project of a controlled
> vocabulary for categorising visual content and a user interface mock up for
> it
>
> -          Mary Forster (Getty Images) and Andrew LaBonte (Corbis) on the
> impact of metadata on searching photos
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ==================================================
>
> Sent by:
>
> Michael Steidl
>
> Managing Director of the IPTC <mdirector@...>
>
> International Press Telecommunications Council -  <http://www.iptc.org/>
> http://www.iptc.org/
>
> Business office address:
>
> 20 Garrick Street, London WC2E 9BT, United Kingdom
>
> Registered in England, company no 101096
>

#85 From: David Riecks <david@...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 2010 3:36 am
Subject: Date Created in regards to Composite images?
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Jeff Sedlik wrote in a comment on the latest user guide draft
regarding the "date created" field......

"Increasingly, this field will be used for indicating the date on
which a composite was completed.  So the date taken is not the date
created, in that instance.  Also, even if there is no composite, if
the work is a derivative work based on a photograph taken previously,
the date created is used for the date on which the derivative was completed."

I think this is something to consider when updating this definition
in the future, but don't feel that it is appropriate to make a change
at this point in time... unless others here feel strongly about this issue.

There are many types of composites. One is an HDR blend (compositing
several exposures to capture a wide tonal range). In that instance,
all exposures would likely have been taken near the same time, almost
certainly on the same date.

Larger Montages that use images from several different photographers
or sources are a bit beyond the scope of this user guide at present, IMHO.

David

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#86 From: "Jeff Sedlik" <sedlik-yg9@...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 2010 3:48 am
Subject: RE: Date Created in regards to Composite images?
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I would not propose any revisions to the standard at this time. It is a good topic for discussion when IPTC next considers revisions, and should be tabled until then.

 

However, in guidelines describing suggested usage of the fields, we should help users to understand that this field applies to derivatives and composites as well.  There are many instances in which images are blended in such as way as to be inextricably merged,  such as when the texture of a wall is subtly merged into a portrait or scenic. The date created is the date on which the creation of an image is completed. In a news image, this occurs when the shutter closes and the image is first recorded. Outside of that circumstance, the date created may occur later.  A comparison of copyright laws in almost all countries will bear this out.

 

Jeff Sedlik

 

From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Riecks
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:37 PM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iptc-photometadata] Date Created in regards to Composite images?

 

 

Jeff Sedlik wrote in a comment on the latest user guide draft
regarding the "date created" field......

"Increasingly, this field will be used for indicating the date on
which a composite was completed. So the date taken is not the date
created, in that instance. Also, even if there is no composite, if
the work is a derivative work based on a photograph taken previously,
the date created is used for the date on which the derivative was completed."

I think this is something to consider when updating this definition
in the future, but don't feel that it is appropriate to make a change
at this point in time... unless others here feel strongly about this issue.

There are many types of composites. One is an HDR blend (compositing
several exposures to capture a wide tonal range). In that instance,
all exposures would likely have been taken near the same time, almost
certainly on the same date.

Larger Montages that use images from several different photographers
or sources are a bit beyond the scope of this user guide at present, IMHO.

David

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Need Keywords for your database? Get the Controlled Vocabulary Solution
http://controlledvocabulary.com/products/ support for a dozen of the
most popular imaging applications from Adobe Bridge to Photo Mechanic.


#87 From: "Wolfgang Exler" <wolfgang_exler@...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 2010 6:56 pm
Subject: new Photo Metadata Specification document published
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today a new revision of the IPTC Photo Metadata document was published on the
IPTC website.

You can download this document directy from

http://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/specification/IPTC-PhotoMetadata-201007_1.\
pdf

Wolfgang

#88 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 2010 8:10 pm
Subject: RE: new Photo Metadata Specification document published
mdiptc
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Wolfgang,

you get a five-star rating for this.

Thanks,

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Exler
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:57 PM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iptc-photometadata] new Photo Metadata Specification document
published

today a new revision of the IPTC Photo Metadata document was published on
the IPTC website.

You can download this document directy from

http://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/specification/IPTC-PhotoMetadata-20100
7_1.pdf

Wolfgang



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#89 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 2010 8:16 pm
Subject: RE: Panels for IPTC Extension in Adobe (Bridge): release on 15 July
mdiptc
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In mid-July the we announced the release IPTC Extension Panels for CS3 and CS4 on 9 July.

 

All our contributors have been working hard – and tonight we have decided to move the release to next Thursday.
The panels will be accompanied by a User Guide of some 50 pages
(yes in words: fifty) and when it comes to clarifying all the details we want to communicate more time than expected is required.

 

You will receive a high quality package next week.

 

Kind regards

 

Michael

 

From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Steidl (IPTC)
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:28 AM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iptc-photometadata] Panels for IPTC Extension in Adobe (Bridge) from CS3 to CS5

 




In 2008 the IPTC has introduced its newly developed IPTC Extension metadata schema adding more granularity to persons, locations and object in the image plus rights related metadata. First implementations appeared in 2009 and now metadata panels will be available for all Adobe versions from CS3 to CS5:

-          Adobe has added an “IPTC Extension” panel to its CS5 File Info panels which is available for all CS5 products.

-          For CS3 and CS4 a plug-in panel for Bridge will be available on 9 July. This panel is created by IPTC and PLUS and can be downloaded for free.

-          For both panels a detailed user guideline document will be available in July too.

 

Please check the Photo Metadata section of the IPTC website – www.iptc.org/photometadta - for the released panels and documentation.

 

Kind regards

 

Michael

 

==================================================

Sent by:

Michael Steidl

Managing Director of the IPTC <mdirector@...>

International Press Telecommunications Council - http://www.iptc.org/

Business office address:

20 Garrick Street, London WC2E 9BT, United Kingdom

Registered in England, company no 101096

 





#90 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 2010 8:21 pm
Subject: RE: Additional facts about: new Photo Metadata Specification document published
mdiptc
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To add a few facts to Wolfgang's message:

This document is an annual maintenance release of the specifications, that
means the specifications remain unchanged, only errors found in the document
have been resolved. Btw: You can track all errors found in the spec
documentation on this web page
http://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/specification/PhotoMetadataErrata.html

As a little helper a table for mapping the outdated IPTC Category codes to
IPTC Subject Codes has been added.

Thanks for using our standards.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Exler
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:57 PM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iptc-photometadata] new Photo Metadata Specification document
published

today a new revision of the IPTC Photo Metadata document was published on
the IPTC website.

You can download this document directy from

http://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/specification/IPTC-PhotoMetadata-20100
7_1.pdf

Wolfgang



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#91 From: Andrea De Polo <andrea@...>
Date: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:17 pm
Subject: PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority
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Dear Michael, all,

following our last phone conference last week, I have taken the freedom to contact the European IPR office at the European Commission at http://www.ipr-helpdesk.org regarding my concern about the fact that I did not know if by registring my multimedia content with PLUS organization, I could joy (enjoy), the copyright rights protection over my content NOT only in North America (where PLUS is legally established), but for example also in Italy (or better, in Europe), where my company (Alinari Photo Archive) is located.

Please find below, the feedback from the IPR help desk. I hope this can help a bit to clarify this issue..... Andrea

...............

On the basis of the scenario presented in your query, it is not clear to us what the status of the institution based in the US would be. In this regard, please remember that only the participants (i.e. the signatories of the EU grant agreement) would in principle own project results, including the related IP rights and would have the primary responsibility to protect them when they can be industrially or commercially applied, with registration where appropriate. Moreover, please note that in the case of transfer of ownership to a third party not established in a Member State or country associated to FP7, e.g. the US, including for example, joint ownership arrangements with a such a party (not a beneficiary), the European Commission may object to the intended transfer to preserve European competitiveness and security or ethical principles.

That said, with regard to multimedia contents or pictures, please note that generally speaking this type of results would be protectable by copyright for which no registration is needed to enjoy the legal protection. However, in some countries a ‘record’ can be done, on a voluntary basis, with the view to facilitate the protection in the case of a dispute. For further information on this topic, you may also wish to consult the webpage Innovaccess/Italy/Copyright and/or the FAQs of the US Copyright Office. With or without ‘record’ in a national system, the copyright protection may be enjoyed, from the sole fact of the creation of the work in one country, in all the countries party to the Berne Convention. For instance, a work ‘registered’ in the US may be protected in the Member States of the EU where its right holder seeks protection and would receive the same treatment as if it were a national of these countries. 



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#92 From: Wolfgang Exler <wolfgang_exler@...>
Date: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:48 am
Subject: Re: PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority
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Hello Andrea De Polo,

on  Montag, 12. Juli 2010 at 16:17 you wrote:

> Please find below, the feedback from the IPR help desk. I hope this
> can help a bit to clarify this issue..... Andrea

I'm not sure if everybody can read and understand italien language.

I can't

Wolfgang

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#93 From: Jeff Sedlik <sedlik-yg9@...>
Date: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:37 am
Subject: Re: PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority
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Hello Andrea,

Due to my travel schedule I was unable to attend the last meeting.  You are always welcome to pose any PLUS-related questions to me or to PLUS representative David Riecks.  If David doesn't know the answer to a question he will pass the question to me.

Based on your message regarding copyright registration, I can see that i need to provide some details regarding PLUS. Some of this, you already know. But your message indicates that you might not be aware of certain facts:

PLUS-EU
You mention that PLUS is legally established only the US. This is not correct. The PLUS Coalition is a relatively young organization, having been founded in late 2004. However, PLUS has been legally established in the EU for several years as PLUS Coalition LTD, (aka "PLUS-EU") a non-profit EU corporation registered in the UK. Charles Swan, Swan Turton is our EU Counsel. After the launch of the PLUS Registry, and budget permitting, PLUS will hire one or more employees for the EU office and will expand operations of this office. However, PLUS will continue to operate as a global Coalition.

International Participation
PLUS is an international Coalition of stakeholders in all communities engaged in creating, distributing, using and preserving images, without geographic or political boundaries, and with the express purpose of providing standards supporting the entire global marketplace and community.  The Coalition does not represent the interests of any one country or region, and the structure of the organization presents no national bias. Professionals in all related industries are represented in the Coalition by their respective trade associations. Most of the professionals represented by the trade associations participating in the PLUS Coalition are citizens of countries outside of the USA. The Coalition was formed by distribution of a white paper in nine languages to stakeholders from 40 countries. The response from volunteers was dramatic, and the standards development process was accomplished by 2000 professionals from 30 different countries. All professionals in all countries have had equal opportunity to participate in PLUS, and are only limited by their own decisions.

Multilingual metadata
While the standards like the IPTC standards were by absolute necessity developed initially in one language, the entire PLUS system is designed to support automated multilingual translation, by the use of alphanumeric codes assigned to every value. I first proposed the use of identifiers to support translation of critical metadata six years ago, and this design has been at the core of the PLUS effort.  Given that images are available globally immediately upon publication, the creation of regional standards for rights metadata would be illogical and would not serve the best interests of rights holders or image users in any country.  Multilingual functionality will extend to PLUS tools. The entire PLUS Registry is designed to display in the language selected by each user. The PLUS website will be translated as well.

PLUS Leadership
Every two years, PLUS announces a world-wide call for nominations of volunteer Directors to participate on the PLUS Board of Directors. Participation is open to all stakeholder organizations in all countries, and our announcements are distributed globally to all trade associations and to our entire mailing list.  All nominations are welcomed and accepted. It is entirely the responsibility of trade associations in various countries to submit Director nominations to PLUS.  For example, to date, in response to all announcements distributed in the previous 5 years, we have received one nomination of a PLUS Board member based in the EU. This nomination was received from Linda at BAPLA, and PLUS ratified BAPLA's nomination by immediately and unanimously voting BAPLA's nominee onto the PLUS Board of Directors, where he has proven to be an excellent Director.

Purpose
The PLUS Coalition is standards organization with a very focused mission -- to simplify and facilitate the communication and management of image rights throughout the world.  Unlike most other categories of  metadata, the communication of rights metadata carries with it significant liability. A misunderstanding resulting from ambiguous or otherwise unclear rights metadata can result in the violation of legal rights.  Standardization of rights metadata is generally perceived to be particularly susceptible to undue influence by special interest groups, and requires a somewhat different approach than typical metadata standards working groups. Rights metadata standardization is best accomplished by an open process that is specially designed to be balanced and neutral, and that involves representation of all with no bias to rights holders publishers or any other group of stakeholders. The PLUS Coalition was formed expressly for this purpose, with a special effort made to collaborate with all existing standards bodies and to encourage and support adoption of the PLUS both as a standalone standard, but perhaps more importantly also within other standards, just as IPTC first participated in the development of the PLUS standards, and then adopted numerous resulting PLUS properties. In support of the PLUS mission, PLUS also develops tools facilitating the use of the standards, while encouraging the adoption of PLUS within any and all applications.

PLUS Registry
In addition to the development of the PLUS standards, PLUS is currently developing the PLUS Registry, a global registry of image metadata, to include not only PLUS metadata but other schemas as well. PLUS has taken this step at the urging of stakeholder trade associations worldwide, in order to provide a secure,  robust, non-profit, industry-neutral means of storing and discovering metadata, free from the many serious challenges posed by the practice of using image files as metadata transport vehicles. Although the PLUS Registry will include and support major metadata standards (IPTC, VRA, METS, etc), the Registry is primarily intended to ensure clear communication, ubiquitous accessibility and automated translation of rights and attribution metadata.  The PLUS Registry has not been proposed or positioned as a copyright registry, nor has any suggestion been made that registration of an image, a license or an organization will confer any legal rights upon the registrant.  Rather, a person or organization who possesses image rights as the result of authorship, assignment, licensing or other means may voluntarily elect to submit relevant metadata to the PLUS Registry so as to allow others to discover that metadata by lookup process, either by the use of unique identifiers, or image recognition, or by other search criteria. This lookup process may be accomplished manually at the Registry website, or by use of any application connected to the PLUS Registry API. The extent to which metadata are exposed publicly is entirely under the control of the party submitting that metadata. . Like the PLUS standards, the PLUS Registry will be expanded to support the registration of video and multimedia metadata.

Copyright Registration
As mentioned above, the PLUS Registry is not a copyright registry, nor is PLUS a government agency or copyright registration authority.  PLUS is not a copyright enforcement body, nor is PLUS an advocacy organization, except perhaps for the Coalition's role as an advocate for the use of standardized metadata and for clear communication of rights.  At the request of many participants in the Coalition, where the copyright office of any country provides an API allowing third parties applications to facilitate online copyright registration, the PLUS Registry will endeavor to include a free "registration wizard" supporting online registration with that country.  In that process, PLUS confers no rights upon the registrant, and PLUS does not serve as a copyright registration authority, nor does PLUS serve as a legal representative for any rights holder.  PLUS merely provides a convenient technological conduit between the rights holder and the rights holder's copyright registration authority.  Any rights conferred upon the registrant as the result of that process are conferred by that copyright registration authority under the laws of the corresponding country. PLUS merely provides a UI for that registration process so that the registration of copyright might be accomplished contemporaneously with the submission of an image record to the PLUS Registry.   Note that the words "Register" or "Registry" in relation to the PLUS Registry do no refer to copyright registration, but instead refers to the submission of metadata  to the PLUS Registry, thus creating a record allowing the discovery of an entity, an image, or a license, together with associated metadata.

Copyright Registration Requirement, in General
Few countries require copyright registration. I am personally only aware of one country (there may be more examples) with mandatory copyright registration, and that country is in the EU --- Turkey.  Turkey's registration requirement only applies to certain categories of works.  In the USA, copyright registration is not required for any works.  Copyright is owned upon creation, with out registration.  Registration is voluntary. The registration of copyright in the USA is only needed in the event that a rightsholder wishes to submit a copyright lawsuit to the courts, and in that instance, copyright registration may be made immediately prior to submitting a lawsuit. However, early registration in the USA will provide certain additional enhanced remedies for copyright registration, including special damages and reimbursement of attorneys fees.  In certain other countries, registration is useful as a means of creating a public record of copyright ownership, but is not required to own copyright. In some countries, registration provides little if any benefit.  PLUS is neutral and takes no position on the registration requirements of any country.

I believe that the above should address the topics raised in your message.  I hope to answer any additional questions.  I hope that you will consider participating in the PLUS Cultural Heritage Working Group on behalf of Alinari.

Thanks
Jeff Sedlik
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Andrea De Polo <andrea@...> wrote:
 

Dear Michael, all,

following our last phone conference last week, I have taken the freedom to contact the European IPR office at the European Commission at http://www.ipr-helpdesk.org regarding my concern about the fact that I did not know if by registring my multimedia content with PLUS organization, I could joy (enjoy), the copyright rights protection over my content NOT only in North America (where PLUS is legally established), but for example also in Italy (or better, in Europe), where my company (Alinari Photo Archive) is located.

Please find below, the feedback from the IPR help desk. I hope this can help a bit to clarify this issue..... Andrea

...............

On the basis of the scenario presented in your query, it is not clear to us what the status of the institution based in the US would be. In this regard, please remember that only the participants (i.e. the signatories of the EU grant agreement) would in principle own project results, including the related IP rights and would have the primary responsibility to protect them when they can be industrially or commercially applied, with registration where appropriate. Moreover, please note that in the case of transfer of ownership to a third party not established in a Member State or country associated to FP7, e.g. the US, including for example, joint ownership arrangements with a such a party (not a beneficiary), the European Commission may object to the intended transfer to preserve European competitiveness and security or ethical principles.

That said, with regard to multimedia contents or pictures, please note that generally speaking this type of results would be protectable by copyright for which no registration is needed to enjoy the legal protection. However, in some countries a ‘record’ can be done, on a voluntary basis, with the view to facilitate the protection in the case of a dispute. For further information on this topic, you may also wish to consult the webpage Innovaccess/Italy/Copyright and/or the FAQs of the US Copyright Office. With or without ‘record’ in a national system, the copyright protection may be enjoyed, from the sole fact of the creation of the work in one country, in all the countries party to the Berne Convention. For instance, a work ‘registered’ in the US may be protected in the Member States of the EU where its right holder seeks protection and would receive the same treatment as if it were a national of these countries. 



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#94 From: Carl Rambert <crambert@...>
Date: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: Additional facts about: new Photo Metadata Specification document published
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Erratum 2, Issue/XMP "Value Type: Text must be URL"

Does not appear to be implemented in the published document. It reads bag Text, not bag URL. 

On Jul 8, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Michael Steidl (IPTC) wrote:

you can track all errors found in the spec documentation on this web page
http://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/specification/PhotoMetadataErrata.html


#95 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:10 am
Subject: RE: PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority
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Group: I have sent this reply already on Monday, but as was travelling it didn’t make it to this group:

 

Dear Andrea

 

I'm not sure if we share the same view of what a registry is:

 

1) “registry” it is not about EU-funded projects. the IPR-Helpdesk you have addressed is by its definition "Your gateway to IP within EU funded projects " - and their answer addresses IP related to projects - and not to any other content.

 

2) a registry it has nothing to do with owning content, it is only a repository holding information about content. Apparently the Helpdesk misunderstood this, I quote from their reply "... copyright for which no registration is needed to enjoy the legal protection." To clarify:

the PLUS registry is not intended to be a body at which you can apply for copyright protection, it is simply a web based database of copyright notices ... and a lot more metadata.

 

Michael

 

Note: I’ve heard back from Andrea that he got aware that the IPR-Helpdesk has a focus on EU-funded projects only and he will check if there are any general regulations regarding registries in Europe.

So let’s see.

Michael

 

 

From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrea De Polo
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:18 PM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iptc-photometadata] PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority

 




Dear Michael, all,

 

following our last phone conference last week, I have taken the freedom to contact the European IPR office at the European Commission at http://www.ipr-helpdesk.org regarding my concern about the fact that I did not know if by registring my multimedia content with PLUS organization, I could joy (enjoy), the copyright rights protection over my content NOT only in North America (where PLUS is legally established), but for example also in Italy (or better, in Europe), where my company (Alinari Photo Archive) is located.

 

Please find below, the feedback from the IPR help desk. I hope this can help a bit to clarify this issue..... Andrea

 

...............

 

On the basis of the scenario presented in your query, it is not clear to us what the status of the institution based in the US would be. In this regard, please remember that only the participants (i.e. the signatories of the EU grant agreement) would in principle own project results, including the related IP rights and would have the primary responsibility to protect them when they can be industrially or commercially applied, with registration where appropriate. Moreover, please note that in the case of transfer of ownership to a third party not established in a Member State or country associated to FP7, e.g. the US, including for example, joint ownership arrangements with a such a party (not a beneficiary), the European Commission may object to the intended transfer to preserve European competitiveness and security or ethical principles.

 

That said, with regard to multimedia contents or pictures, please note that generally speaking this type of results would be protectable by copyright for which no registration is needed to enjoy the legal protection. However, in some countries a ‘record’ can be done, on a voluntary basis, with the view to facilitate the protection in the case of a dispute. For further information on this topic, you may also wish to consult the webpage Innovaccess/Italy/Copyright and/or the FAQs of the US Copyright Office. With or without ‘record’ in a national system, the copyright protection may be enjoyed, from the sole fact of the creation of the work in one country, in all the countries party to the Berne Convention. For instance, a work ‘registered’ in the US may be protected in the Member States of the EU where its right holder seeks protection and would receive the same treatment as if it were a national of these countries. 

 

 

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#96 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:56 am
Subject: RE: Additional facts about: new Photo Metadata Specification document published
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Hi Carl

 

Hm, actually the Erratum on the Errata page was not right: PLUS specifies the Value Type of both the Model Release ID and the Property Release ID as “Bag Text” – see the PLUS specs at http://ns.useplus.org/LDF/ldf-XMPSpecification#ModelReleaseID

 

So I will correct the Errata page, but the IPTC Photo Metadata Spec document of July 2010 is right.

 

Michael

 

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From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Rambert
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [iptc-photometadata] Additional facts about: new Photo Metadata Specification document published

 



Erratum 2, Issue/XMP "Value Type: Text must be URL"

 

Does not appear to be implemented in the published document. It reads bag Text, not bag URL. 

 

On Jul 8, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Michael Steidl (IPTC) wrote:


you can track all errors found in the spec docume ntation on this web page
http://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/specification/PhotoMetadataErrata.html

 





#97 From: "Jeff Sedlik" <sedlik-yg9@...>
Date: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:44 am
Subject: RE: PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority
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Thanks Michael, according to our attorneys, given the limited purpose  of the PLUS Registry, and the fact that all aspects of the Registry are 100% voluntary,  and the extent to which we have gone to respect the  IP and privacy laws of all countries, there are no outstanding issues at this time.  Of course, should any specific concern be raised, we will address that concern and revise the functions of the Registry as necessary to respect not only the laws of all countries, but the interests of all stakeholders.

 

Some additional facts and observations regarding the PLUS Registry:

 

Voluntary

Registration in the PLUS Registry is not required by PLUS or by the laws of any country. 

 

Privacy

Those rightsholders desiring to remain anonymous and/or to prevent anyone from finding them simply need not add records to the PLUS Registry.  PLUS itself adds no data to the Registry.  Rightsholders will add whatever metadata is relevant to their needs and desired workflows. The ability for the public to resolve a PLUS-ID so as to view metadata for an image, a license or an entity (company/person) is entirely under the control of the rights holder.  A rightsholder may, for example, designate certain or all metadata as private, viewable only the rightsholder and those parties assigned privileges by the rightsholders. Rightsholders may assign different levels of access to the public and to any parties. The Registry is in part designed to address the very significant business and legal challenges posed by the practice of embedding detailed metadata directly into a file, thus exposing all of that metadata to the public. The exposure of certain metadata to the public may violate privacy laws, and is one of the major challenges inherent in embedded metadata. This aspect is entirely resolved by the PLUS Registry.  Also, while the Registry is designed for broad use in both cultural heritage and business workflows, it is worthwhile to note that exposure of certain  metadata is a very significant concern for many businesses, as such metadata may alert competitors to as-yet unpublished projects/products/services.  This aspect currently discourages the use of embedded photo metadata, and is entirely resolved by the PLUS Registry.

 

Image Search

Plans for the PLUS Registry do not include queries by keyword, subject matter or other image-content based searches.  The Registry is not to be used for finding images. The Registry is to be used for finding metadata associated with images, licenses and rightsholders.  One would need to be in possession of an image or an image ID in order to find the metadata for that image in the Registry. For example, one would not use the Registry to find images picturing lions. One would first need to be in possession of an particular image of a lion (or the image ID for that image), which may then be used to  query the Registry for metadata made available for that image by the rightsholder.  Of note, if a PLUS License ID is present, the Registry will also provide the rights information associated with license for that particular image file.  This cannot be accomplished by image recognition, as image recognition only identifies an image, not the rights associated with a particular license associated with an image, especially as the same image may be distributed by dozens or even hundreds of licensors.

 

Image Browsing

There is no browsing of images in the PLUS Registry.  Rightsholders may elect to display image thumbnails within their image metadata records, only for the purpose of allowing visual verification that the metadata record matches the image already in possession of the user. Extreme measures are employed to protect these thumbnails. 

 

Orphan Works

Although the PLUS Registry was not developed specifically in response to Orphan Works issues, the availability of the Registry will significantly mitigate the Orphan Works challenge by providing a global non-profit resource for identifying and contacting the rightsholders for any image, even where no metadata is present in the image.  The development of regional registries does little to address the orphan works issue, as any image published to the web may be accessed globally, and as the content of an image is not a reliable indicator of the country of origin of the author, and as the public cannot reasonably be expected to search image registries for each of the nearly  200 countries in the world when simply seeking to identify the rightsholder or rights information associated with an image found on the web or elsewhere.  Most importantly, the PLUS Registry will not be a place at which the public may browse through possible orphan works.  Such public posting of orphans creates a shopping center for the theft of free images. PLUS addresses the root of the problem.

 

Dynamic Metadata

By embedding an ID into the file, and storing detailed metadata in the Registry,  the metadata for any previously distributed file may be updated at any time. This is especially applicable to rights metadata, which is itself dynamic.  This fact , combined with the fragility of embedded metadata and the confidentiality/privacy issues has been a significant deterrent to the use and preservation of image metadata. The PLUS registry addresses these issues as well.

 

Any and All Applications

The current practice of including  in embedded metadata a link to a rightsholder’s website or  terms and conditions web page, or a paragraph of free text describing rights/usage  is certainly better than nothing, but is of little help to a publisher, designer, ad agency, museum, library or other organization tasked with managing quantities of images. Even small organizations find that they are overwhelmed by  the prospect of effectively managing hundreds of images, and when quantities increase to thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of images, the tasks becomes nearly impossible, even with a DAM system. The reason: rights metadata are not yet expressed in standardized language, in a standardized, machine interpretable format accessible and readable by any application.  Globally unique persistent image identifiers are not yet in use. The PLUS Registry addresses these issues, allowing any application to access public metadata via an API, and to access private metadata with sufficient permissions.

 

We are eager to receive comments, suggestions and concerns regarding the PLUS Registry, so that we may improve the design.

 

Thanks

Jeff Sedlik

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#98 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:54 am
Subject: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS released
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To all who are editing metadata by using Adobe products:

 

IPTC and PLUS have released a Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS3 to CS5 products today, 15 July.

 

It includes a User Guide for the already built-in IPTC panels of CS5 and adds IPTC Extension and PLUS fields to Adobe Bridge CS3 and CS4 by an easy to use IPTC-PLUS Metadata panel which comes with a comprehensive User Guide too.

Find more about it on the Toolkit web page.

The Toolkit is available for free, download it today.

 

Any comments are welcome.

 

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Michael

 

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#99 From: David Riecks <david@...>
Date: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS released
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At 03:54 AM 7/15/2010, Michael Steidl \(IPTC\) wrote:
>It includes a User Guide for the already built-in IPTC panels of CS5
>and adds IPTC Extension and PLUS fields to Adobe Bridge CS3 and CS4
>by an easy to use IPTC-PLUS Metadata panel which comes with a
>comprehensive User Guide too.

Michael:

I am proud to have been a part of this effort. Hats off to Graeme
Cookson for the great programming/scripting. And many thanks, to all
those who reviewed the user documents: Michael Steidl, Sarah
Saunders, Jeff Sedlik, Cindy Lewis and the members of my controlled
vocabulary forum (Gunar Penikis, Roger Howard, Dan Clark, Per
Karlsson, Matt Shanley, Earl Robicheaux, Richard Wagner, and Mark
Anderson). Without everyone's help, this could not have been accomplished.

David


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#100 From: "Peter Blaise" <peterblaise@...>
Date: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority
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Earlier: "... public posting of orphans creates a shopping center for the theft
of free images ..."

A shopping center for the theft of free things, eh?

Would you kindly explore what your underlying mean here, and possibly try to
resolve my confusion over this, my feeling of unresolvable ambiguity between the
meanings of the words "theft" and "free" as used here (I'll ignore for now the
equally confusing "shopping center" in this context)?

Thanks.

Peter Blaise

#101 From: "Jeff Sedlik" <sedlik-yg9@...>
Date: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:27 am
Subject: RE: Re: PLUS and copyright licensing and registration authority
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Peter Blaise wrote:

“A shopping center for the theft of free things, eh? Would you kindly explore what your underlying mean here, and possibly try to resolve my confusion over this, my feeling of unresolvable ambiguity between the meanings of the words "theft" and "free" as used here (I'll ignore for now the equally confusing "shopping center" in this context)?”

 

Hello Peter, I agree, my choice of words was unclear and left much to be explained.

 

The most recently proposed legislation in the US, which nearly passed,  would have allowed anyone to use any image (whether created years ago or yesterday) for any purpose (commercial or otherwise) without advance payment to the rights holder and without the permission or knowledge of the rightsholder, simply by first searching for, and failing to find, the rightsholder. In the event that the rightsholder would have eventually discovered the use, the rightsholder would have had no right to stop the infringer from continuing to use the image, even if the usage directly competed with the rightsholders attempts to monetize the image, and no matter how objectionable the rightholder might find the usage. The rightsholder would only be entitled to a fee that the infringer agrees is reasonable, and the finding was that a reasonable fee may at time be $0. The bill also sought to remove a rightsholders right to sue for copyright infringement, even for registered works.

 

Posting possible orphan works to public sites in an attempt to locate the rightsholders is  problematic and not a viable solution to the orphan works problem. Such sites would serve as infringement magnets, as they would essentially be collections of images deemed likely to be of unknown origin (after failed searches), and thus ripe for the picking under orphan works laws, once such laws are passed.  Remember also that as images from any country can be accessed in any other country, and as orphan works laws in any country will result in unauthorized usage of works from all other countries, regional orphan works solutions are unlikely to mitigate the orphan works problem. Also consider that rightsholders cannot possibly dedicate necessary resources to monitor such sites, especially sites containing thousands of images, and where multiple sites in multiple countries must be monitored.

 

PLUS was not founded to resolve the orphan works challenge, but is expressly focused bringing all stakeholders together to collaborate on standards and tools  connecting creators, rightsholders, images and rights information.  This connection has the very real potential to significantly mitigate orphan works issues, most especially as regards 21st and 20th century works. 

 

The PLUS Coalition is not an advocacy organization and is, by necessity, neutral on the question of orphan works legislation.  My personal position is that orphan works legislation is needed and that fair and reasonable legislation should be passed. I was previously the president of the APA here in the US, and wrote an analysis for the US Senate Committee on the Judiciary, addressing the above issues. If interested, see page 42 and 43 of this 137 page document. http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/pdf/109hrg/28336.pdf

 

I hope that this better explains my earlier comments.

 

Jeff Sedlik

 

*The most recent version of the US bill allowed any usage of orphan works, excluding only “useful objects” such as buttons, keychains. All other usages of orphan works, such as usage in ad campaigns,  would have been permitted.


#102 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:43 am
Subject: IPTC-PLUS Metadata panel updated to version 2
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The IPTC-PLUS Metadata panel which is included into the IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS has been updated to version 2 and is available for download:

 

http://www.iptc.org/cms/site/single.html?channel=CH0099&document=CMS1279131209658

 

What has been fixed: a couple of PLUS text properties lacked the default language attribute “x-default”

 

Michael

 

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#103 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:44 pm
Subject: What other std bodies do: CIPA has released Exif 2.3 specs
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As IPTC and EXIF metadata reside side-by-side in the headers of many images you me be interested into this news:

 

CIPA – the Japanese camera makers – and their standardisation publisher JEITA have released version 2.3 of the EXIF specifications, available in English at:

 

http://www.cipa.jp/english/hyoujunka/kikaku/pdf/DC-008-2010_E.pdf

 

 

From the version history the changes for 2.3:

·         Restructured the main standard text, guidelines, explications etc. of Exif Unified Version 2.21

·         Added and revised tags
(Sensitivity-related Tags, GPS information, camera and lens information, items pertaining to sound files, and light-source colour)

·         Clarified specification level and revised the scope of application

·         Supplemented explanations and adjusted format for the entire text.

 

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#104 From: "Peter" <peter@...>
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS released
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Michael (and team),
Great work on the tool.I opened up the Javascript and see that Graeme has been a
busy boy indeed.
  I have some usability feedback.

• Installation:
The installer did not work for me.  I had to manually put the script in the
Bridge scritps folder.  I think there should be a read me in the download folder
that outlines what should happen when the installer is clicked.   It should have
ascreenshot to show what the Bridge menu looks like when the script is installed
properly.

I think Russell Brown has a generic script installer for both Mac and Windows. 
I can ask if we can use it, if you like.

General Impression
•  "Lock all Data Fields" may encourage users to think that we have somehow
found a way to lock metadata in a file. Is there an alternate term to use here?

•  I'm in core, I create my data, but I can't see where to make a template. When
I click Templates, it says there are none, and I must dismiss.  This warning
should provide further information.

Location

This is a bit tricky, due to the changes that have been made to the schema, se
have some tricky stuff to work out here. There are my impressions from playing
with the panel with some images that have existing location information.

IPTC Core

• This warning comes up when I hit "look up country code":  "Overwrite Existing
Location Data"  I think it should say "Overwrite Country and Country Code in
Location data?"

Likewise, when I hit either of the "Copy Location..." buttons at the bottom of
the page, it warns me that it will overwrite Existing Location, but says nothing
about the City or State information.

• The Question Marks in Core>Image on the bottom two rows should describe the
behavior of the "Copy Location " buttons.

IPTC Extension
  Core>IPTC Image shows old location information.  When I go to Extension, both
Location Created and Location Shown are blank.  Shouldn't I be able to populate
these fields with the existing location data?  It seems like I can only go the
other way.

I'm sure you'll hate to hear this, but I think there should be a button/subpanel
devoted to Locations.  (That spare button in IPTC Extension?).  Location is a
key component of image description, and the deprecation of the existing fields
means that users should be encouraged to migrate the data from one field to
another.   Ideally, I'd like to see each of the three location groups
(deprecated, Shown and Created) in a single window to help me sort out the data
migration.

It would also be great to show the GPS data here, with a button to show in
Google Maps.

Back in Bridge

Also, I'd like to see a pulldown menu  item (back in the Bridge window) that
simply copies all existing location data from the old field to either or both of
the new fields.

That's it for now.
Once again, great work on this Graeme.
Peter

#105 From: "Michael Steidl \(IPTC\)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:28 pm
Subject: RE: Re: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS released
mdiptc
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Hi Peter,

thanks for the comprehensive feedback, we will certainly go over it to
improve the panels.

My comments on some details below, prefixed with my initials, MS. A quick
general comment: terminology is a beast, interesting to see how differently
words can be interpreted.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:38 PM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iptc-photometadata] Re: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe
CS released

Michael (and team),
Great work on the tool.I opened up the Javascript and see that Graeme has
been a busy boy indeed.
  I have some usability feedback.

. Installation:
The installer did not work for me.  I had to manually put the script in the
Bridge scritps folder.  I think there should be a read me in the download
folder that outlines what should happen when the installer is clicked.   It
should have ascreenshot to show what the Bridge menu looks like when the
script is installed properly.

MS: there is a !ReadMe.txt file in the Toolkit ZIP which includes some
guidance for installing and points to a full step-by-step explanation in the
IPTC-PLUS Metadata User Guide document.

I think Russell Brown has a generic script installer for both Mac and
Windows.  I can ask if we can use it, if you like.

MS: ok, let's see how this could improve installing the panel.

General Impression
.  "Lock all Data Fields" may encourage users to think that we have somehow
found a way to lock metadata in a file. Is there an alternate term to use
here?

MS: yes, terminology is a beast, we never though "locking" could be
interpreted this way. Ok, will consider an alternative term.

.  I'm in core, I create my data, but I can't see where to make a template.
When I click Templates, it says there are none, and I must dismiss.  This
warning should provide further information.

Location

This is a bit tricky, due to the changes that have been made to the schema,
se have some tricky stuff to work out here. There are my impressions from
playing with the panel with some images that have existing location
information.

IPTC Core

. This warning comes up when I hit "look up country code":  "Overwrite
Existing Location Data"  I think it should say "Overwrite Country and
Country Code in Location data?"

Likewise, when I hit either of the "Copy Location..." buttons at the bottom
of the page, it warns me that it will overwrite Existing Location, but says
nothing about the City or State information.

MS: terminology again: since the release of the IPTC Photo Metadata
Standards in summer 2008 we use the term "Location" for the set of names
from sublocation, to city, to province/state, to country, to world region -
simply for the location as a whole. Thus "Overwrite Existing Location Data"
means implicitly that all fields from Sublation to Country, or World Region,
are overwritten.

. The Question Marks in Core>Image on the bottom two rows should describe
the behavior of the "Copy Location " buttons.

IPTC Extension
  Core>IPTC Image shows old location information.  When I go to Extension,
both Location Created and Location Shown are blank.  Shouldn't I be able to
populate these fields with the existing location data?  It seems like I can
only go the other way.

MS: hm, in my Panel v2 are on the IPTC Core/IPTC Image panel in the lower
right corner two buttons to copy the legacy location fields to either
Location Created or Location Shown. Is this what you wanted to have?

I'm sure you'll hate to hear this, but I think there should be a
button/subpanel  devoted to Locations.  (That spare button in IPTC
Extension?).  Location is a key component of image description, and the
deprecation of the existing fields means that users should be encouraged to
migrate the data from one field to another.   Ideally, I'd like to see each
of the three location groups (deprecated, Shown and Created) in a single
window to help me sort out the data migration.

MS: the IPTC-PLUS panel is made for Adobe products and thus follows the
layout of the File Info panels. Of course metadata could be organised
differently, but I'm afraid there is not a perfect solution pleasing
everybody. What you propose is to merge IPTC Core and IPTC Extension
location metadata, we have aimed at keeping the schemas separate.

It would also be great to show the GPS data here, with a button to show in
Google Maps.

MS: GPS metadata are not members of the IPTC Core/Extension specification,
they are specified and managed by EXIF only.

Back in Bridge

Also, I'd like to see a pulldown menu  item (back in the Bridge window) that
simply copies all existing location data from the old field to either or
both of the new fields.

MS: as you say, this is Bridge behaviour, thus Adobe has to change this.


That's it for now.
Once again, great work on this Graeme.
Peter



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#106 From: "Andrea de Polo" <andrea@...>
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:43 pm
Subject: R: RE: Re: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS released
andreuscia
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Dear Peter, Michael, all,

Peter feedback is great because it is very focused and precise. Thank you!

I think that in order to make the whole process easier to everyone (novice and skilled users) it will be a very good idea (!) to create couple of youtube videos covering:

1. Installation process, step by step, on mac and windows.

2. Walk through example on how to fill out the various fields including example of few different therminologies......

Andrea

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From: "Michael Steidl (IPTC)" <mdirector@...>
Sender: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:28:38 +0200
To: <iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [iptc-photometadata] Re: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe CS released

 

Hi Peter,

thanks for the comprehensive feedback, we will certainly go over it to
improve the panels.

My comments on some details below, prefixed with my initials, MS. A quick
general comment: terminology is a beast, interesting to see how differently
words can be interpreted.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:38 PM
To: iptc-photometadata@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iptc-photometadata] Re: IPTC-PLUS Photo Metadata Toolkit for Adobe
CS released

Michael (and team),
Great work on the tool.I opened up the Javascript and see that Graeme has
been a busy boy indeed.
I have some usability feedback.

. Installation:
The installer did not work for me. I had to manually put the script in the
Bridge scritps folder. I think there should be a read me in the download
folder that outlines what should happen when the installer is clicked. It
should have ascreenshot to show what the Bridge menu looks like when the
script is installed properly.

MS: there is a !ReadMe.txt file in the Toolkit ZIP which includes some
guidance for installing and points to a full step-by-step explanation in the
IPTC-PLUS Metadata User Guide document.

I think Russell Brown has a generic script installer for both Mac and
Windows. I can ask if we can use it, if you like.

MS: ok, let's see how this could improve installing the panel.

General Impression
. "Lock all Data Fields" may encourage users to think that we have somehow
found a way to lock metadata in a file. Is there an alternate term to use
here?

MS: yes, terminology is a beast, we never though "locking" could be
interpreted this way. Ok, will consider an alternative term.

. I'm in core, I create my data, but I can't see where to make a template.
When I click Templates, it says there are none, and I must dismiss. This
warning should provide further information.

Location

This is a bit tricky, due to the changes that have been made to the schema,
se have some tricky stuff to work out here. There are my impressions from
playing with the panel with some images that have existing location
information.

IPTC Core

. This warning comes up when I hit "look up country code": "Overwrite
Existing Location Data" I think it should say "Overwrite Country and
Country Code in Location data?"

Likewise, when I hit either of the "Copy Location..." buttons at the bottom
of the page, it warns me that it will overwrite Existing Location, but says
nothing about the City or State information.

MS: terminology again: since the release of the IPTC Photo Metadata
Standards in summer 2008 we use the term "Location" for the set of names
from sublocation, to city, to province/state, to country, to world region -
simply for the location as a whole. Thus "Overwrite Existing Location Data"
means implicitly that all fields from Sublation to Country, or World Region,
are overwritten.

. The Question Marks in Core>Image on the bottom two rows should describe
the behavior of the "Copy Location " buttons.

IPTC Extension
Core>IPTC Image shows old location information. When I go to Extension,
both Location Created and Location Shown are blank. Shouldn't I be able to
populate these fields with the existing location data? It seems like I can
only go the other way.

MS: hm, in my Panel v2 are on the IPTC Core/IPTC Image panel in the lower
right corner two buttons to copy the legacy location fields to either
Location Created or Location Shown. Is this what you wanted to have?

I'm sure you'll hate to hear this, but I think there should be a
button/subpanel devoted to Locations. (That spare button in IPTC
Extension?). Location is a key component of image description, and the
deprecation of the existing fields means that users should be encouraged to
migrate the data from one field to another. Ideally, I'd like to see each
of the three location groups (deprecated, Shown and Created) in a single
window to help me sort out the data migration.

MS: the IPTC-PLUS panel is made for Adobe products and thus follows the
layout of the File Info panels. Of course metadata could be organised
differently, but I'm afraid there is not a perfect solution pleasing
everybody. What you propose is to merge IPTC Core and IPTC Extension
location metadata, we have aimed at keeping the schemas separate.

It would also be great to show the GPS data here, with a button to show in
Google Maps.

MS: GPS metadata are not members of the IPTC Core/Extension specification,
they are specified and managed by EXIF only.

Back in Bridge

Also, I'd like to see a pulldown menu item (back in the Bridge window) that
simply copies all existing location data from the old field to either or
both of the new fields.

MS: as you say, this is Bridge behaviour, thus Adobe has to change this.

That's it for now.
Once again, great work on this Graeme.
Peter

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