roger_galligan wrote:
> I have another question:
> If we put Google ads or some other advertising in order to cover some
> of our costs would this upset anybody or what are people's views on this?

I presume you mean on the site?
I don't see any issue with that - makes perfect sense to me
Apart from Adsense there are plenty of other revenue opportunities out
there that pay reasonably well (see http://url.ie/19v for example)

Michele

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I agree with Dermod.  I was never very happy with having the cache
copy.  We put it there at the time probably for 2 reasons.  Firstly it
seemed to be what other aggregators were doing and secondly because we
could.  Both pretty bad reasons to do anything.  We put the link to it
in a very pale grey - which we thought we serve to decrease the link
value for it.  Rather than put noindex, follow - I think we should get
rid of it altogether.

I haven't noticed the cached copy do too well in Google, usually it's
the category or similar post page that comes up, and if the cached
copy is listed is usually together with the clustered content and
would likely not have appeared in that position were it not for the
clustered content.

e.g:
http://www.google.ie/search?num=100&hl=en&q=rte%20blog%20dunphy&btnG=Search&meta\
=cr%3DcountryIE

However I can understand how seeing the cached copy of your post ahead
of your own copy could be annoying.

Google loves to get clustered content.  Any clustering algorithm is
the flip side of a search algorithm.  So category pages and similar-to
pages are likely to contain more of the related terms to subject
matter at hand than the individual post.

I would say that 95% of the outbound Page Rank goes back to the
bloggers (many Irish Bloggers have said to me that we are one of their
top referrers after Google which also suggests that people are getting
their directly from Google). Pretty much every outbound link from the
site is to a blogger apart from the sponsors (by the way the
"sponsors" do not pay us a cent - these are projects that we take time
out of, to do IrishBlogs.ie and we still pay Servecentric for our
hosting but we appreciate the deal they have given us).  We're going
to change the sponsors java drop down closed so you'll have to click
on it to see them - we still have some tidy-up work to do on the
righthand sidebar, particulary the new "The Buzz" section. I don't
think we'll ever recoup the investment we've made in Irishblogs.ie
although one day we may make something out of the learning and
technology behind it, and we do enjoy working on it.

I think the performance of the category pages and similar post pages
in Google helps bloggers v. other media.  In the example above we
irishblogs appears above RTE and Unison.  I think this is bringing
bloggers voices to the attention of internet users at the expense of
mainstream media, which of course is a good thing.  I think that
IrishBlogs.ie has helped to raise the profile of Irish Bloggers.

I for one will be voting for Dermod's proposal and I'd go further - I
don't think we should even keep a cached copy of the full post.
(Likewise I don't think Google should have a "cache" option on their
SERP's).

I have another question:
If we put Google ads or some other advertising in order to cover some
of our costs would this upset anybody or what are people's views on this?

...and thanks Dermod for voting for us at the awards.

Regards,
Roger


--- In irishblogs@yahoogroups.com, irishblogs@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> irishblogs group:
>
> Should <a href="http://irishblogs.ie">irishblogs.ie</a> stop
allowing search engines to index their caches of individual posts of
contributory blogs?
>
> As I wrote in <a
href="http://bonhom.ie/2006/05/irish-blogs-indexing-our-feeds.html">this
post</a>, irishblogs.ie does not, at the moment, have the standard
search robots setting of "noindex, follow". This means that it is,
increasingly, taking traffic away from contributing blogs. Because
search engines hate duplicates, if a search results page has two
instances of a blog post, one will not be shown. Increasingly, the one
that is displayed is the cached post at irishblogs.ie, as
irishblogs.ie has greater authority/pagerank than most of its
contributing blogs. This effectively means that irisbhlogs.ie is
stealing the traffic of individual bloggers. People can read my words
and yet irishblogs.ie gets the hit, the advertising exposure, the
increase in pageranking (over time), and the opportunity to invite the
reader to click elsewhere on their site. That reader should, by
rights, be at my blog.
>
> The only time an aggregator should allow indexing of what it creates
is at category pages, ie a page devoted to all the posts with the
keyword "politics" for example. It deserves to get indexed by search
engines because that is what aggregators are best at: to gather
various posts together, creating original content. So a search for
"irish politics" should return the irishblogs.ie "politics" tag page,
and a valuable resource that is too. But it should not return any
individual Irish blog post that mentions politics, at anything other
than the source URL. Duplicating a blog post is not creating original
content, and it should not be allowed to be indexed.
>
> I am calling for irishblogs.ie to account for their policy, and come
up with a clearly worded Terms of Service for all to read that
explains their indexing policy. Irishblogs.ie is a powerful, popular
force in Irish blogging, and with power comes responsibility.
>
> Dermod
>
>   o Yes, irishblogs.ie should change its setting for cached single
posts to "noindex, follow"
>   o No, it's fine as it is
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irishblogs/surveys?id=2228497
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
irishblogs group:

Should <a href="http://irishblogs.ie">irishblogs.ie</a> stop allowing search
engines to index their caches of individual posts of contributory blogs?

As I wrote in <a
href="http://bonhom.ie/2006/05/irish-blogs-indexing-our-feeds.html">this
post</a>, irishblogs.ie does not, at the moment, have the standard search robots
setting of "noindex, follow". This means that it is, increasingly, taking
traffic away from contributing blogs. Because search engines hate duplicates, if
a search results page has two instances of a blog post, one will not be shown.
Increasingly, the one that is displayed is the cached post at irishblogs.ie, as
irishblogs.ie has greater authority/pagerank than most of its contributing
blogs. This effectively means that irisbhlogs.ie is stealing the traffic of
individual bloggers. People can read my words and yet irishblogs.ie gets the
hit, the advertising exposure, the increase in pageranking (over time), and the
opportunity to invite the reader to click elsewhere on their site. That reader
should, by rights, be at my blog.

The only time an aggregator should allow indexing of what it creates is at
category pages, ie a page devoted to all the posts with the keyword "politics"
for example. It deserves to get indexed by search engines because that is what
aggregators are best at: to gather various posts together, creating original
content. So a search for "irish politics" should return the irishblogs.ie
"politics" tag page, and a valuable resource that is too. But it should not
return any individual Irish blog post that mentions politics, at anything other
than the source URL. Duplicating a blog post is not creating original content,
and it should not be allowed to be indexed.

I am calling for irishblogs.ie to account for their policy, and come up with a
clearly worded Terms of Service for all to read that explains their indexing
policy. Irishblogs.ie is a powerful, popular force in Irish blogging, and with
power comes responsibility.

Dermod

   o Yes, irishblogs.ie should change its setting for cached single posts to
"noindex, follow"
   o No, it's fine as it is


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irishblogs/surveys?id=2228497

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

Hi all -

Just an update with the latest from Planet Journals, as you may know we
rebranded on 1st April.

* Tagged browsing now works, and here's the total tag cloud for April:
http://www.johnbreslin.com/blog/2006/05/03/irish-blogs-tag-cloud-from-planet-jou\
rnals/

* XML-RPC ping working too, more at
http://www.johnbreslin.com/blog/2006/04/28/how-to-ping-planet-journals/

* We're working on a gallery for Planet Journals; already when you click
on More Info for any entry you will see a gallery image for that blog.

* Want to know what people are talking about / linking to?  Try Top Talk
at http://planet.journals.ie/search/top:talk as its a nice little search
option which shows all recent blog posts linking to the top linked URLs
from the past 7 days...

* Feeds of not only tags (as provided in WordPress) but also of
searches, e.g. the http://planet.journals.ie/rss/tag/galway
Galway tag in RSS and a http://planet.journals.ie/atom/search/government
government search in Atom (just prepend the URL with atom, rss or rdf)

* New style so you can see a lot more at a glance at
http://planet.journals.ie/index-new.php?new

If you have a link to www.planetoftheblogs.com, can you change it to
planet.journals.ie?  Also there are two new buttons available on the
right hand side of the site.

In other news, if anyone is interested in reviewing the latest
submissions to Planet Journals, let me know (Bernie and Treasa kindly
did some before, and there are around 300 links to be checked)...    We
have a nice submissions manager now that makes things easier :)

Thanks!

John.

--

>SO what part of Ireland are you in?

I'm in the south west, a little outside of Limerick. What part are you
aiming for?

>Any advice you can give to a yank moving to the island?

Well this group was actually setup by Bernie Goldbach who blogs at
irish.typepad.com. Bernie is an American of Irish extraction who moved
here a few years ago so I'm sure he can give you better advice than
me. Bernie has experienced first hand how much the country has changed
in recent years, sometimes for the worse but mostly for the better IMHO.

>SO what part of Ireland are you in?

I'm in the south west, a little outside of Limerick. What part are you
aiming for?

>Any advice you can give to a yank moving to the island?

Well this group was actually setup by Bernie Goldbach who blogs at
irish.typepad.com. Bernie is an American of Irish extraction who moved
here a few years ago so I'm sure he can give you better advice than
me. Bernie has experienced first hand how much the country has changed
in recent years, sometimes for the worse but mostly for the better IMHO.

> Looking for some people to chat with and find out about different
> areas, day to day life, etc...

No better way than through blogging Dean. I've lived here all my life
but since I started blogging have made a number of new friends,
augmented by blogging dinners, geek meetups, etc.

Two great Irish blogs aggregators are -

http://www.irishblogs.ie/
http://planet.journals.ie/

Welcome (in advance) to Ireland.

> Looking for some people to chat with and find out about different
> areas, day to day life, etc...

No better way than through blogging Dean. I've lived here all my life
but since I started blogging have made a number of new friends,
augmented by blogging dinners, geek meetups, etc.

Two great Irish blogs aggregators are -

http://www.irishblogs.ie/
http://planet.journals.ie/

Welcome (in advance) to Ireland.

Hello,
I am new to the group. I am from the States and planning to move to
Ireland as soon as I am finished working in Iraq.

Looking for some people to chat with and find out about different
areas, day to day life, etc...

Thanks,

Dean

John McCormac writes:
> Did anyone bother registering a .eu domain? Around 14K domains were
> registered in Ireland during the landrush yesterday. That's 23% of the
> number of .ie domains registered and the bulk of them, around 13500,
> were registered yesterday.

I attempted, was told it succeeded, and got a mail 4 hours later
telling me that it failed!  Still trying to find out *why*....
it stinks of a catastrophic collapse at EURID's end.

--j.

Just reading through the rubbish in the media about how wonderful .eu is
and how many domains were registered. (Not surprisingly the Irish Times
"technology" section missed the story completely. It was covered in
today's finance section.)

The interesting thing is that for most hosters, April 7th was a complete
fiasco because the Eurid servers collapsed with the number of queries
and registrations. Pre-registered domains were not being registered and
the queueing system was a complete joke. It was completely obvious that
there would be significant demand but the Eurid system was just unable
to cope. Eurid even permitted known squatter/PPC parasite operations to
become registrars so that they could squat .eu domains. Most of these
PPC parasites are US based operations that squat domains rather than
develop them.

But the click and drool merchants in the media swallowed the press
releases and asked for more. Judging from the mess, there will be a lot
of very unhappy pre-registration people who did not get their domains.

Did anyone bother registering a .eu domain? Around 14K domains were
registered in Ireland during the landrush yesterday. That's 23% of the
number of .ie domains registered and the bulk of them, around 13500,
were registered yesterday.

Regards...jmcc

the article I meant to highlight was.... "The New York Times reports
that Brian Pickrell, a blogger, recently posted a note on his Web
site attacking state legislation that would force Wal-Mart Stores to
spend more on employee health insurance. "All across the country,
newspaper editorial boards — no great friends of business — are
ripping the bills," he wrote."@ http://tinyurl.com/knhwc




--- In irishblogs@yahoogroups.com, "CyberScribe"
<c_y_b_e_r_scribe@...> wrote:
>
> sorry try this url http://tinyurl.com/knhwc
>
>
>
> --- In irishblogs@yahoogroups.com, "CyberScribe"
> <c_y_b_e_r_scribe@> wrote:
> >
> >  ......
> >
>
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005106.s
> h
> > tml
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "shitty first draft"
> > http://shittyfirstdraft.blogspot.com
> >
>

sorry try this url http://tinyurl.com/knhwc



--- In irishblogs@yahoogroups.com, "CyberScribe"
<c_y_b_e_r_scribe@...> wrote:
>
>  ......
>
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005106.s
h
> tml
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "shitty first draft"
> http://shittyfirstdraft.blogspot.com
>

......
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005106.sh
tml











"shitty first draft"
http://shittyfirstdraft.blogspot.com

I've moved and enhanced the ping form. Now, it also lets you ping the
Belfast, Cork, Dublin, Galway and Limerick blog aggregators, as well as
Weblogs.com and Technorati all in one go. It remembers your details for
a fortnight between uses so there's no need to re-enter them.

The new location is at: http://talideon.com/projects/ping/

K.

Here's some of the best analysis of what happened and how it happened
I have seen on the net or in the papers - both level headed and critical...
- Dublin Riots: What Happened and Why
(plus, 13min Video Footage - worth the download if you have the bandwidth)
  http://indymedia.ie/article/74528

And here's a piece about the role of communications tech
on the street level that caught the Gardaí off-guard....
- Flashmobs and Smartmobs Are The Mobs
Left Out Of The Dublin Riot Story
http://indymedia.ie/article/74547

btw, Indymedia in the 48hrs since the events recieved 20,000+ visitors
and 300+ comments - probably be the biggest server load ever for us.
Probably would not have survived if it were not for the new updated
Irish-made backend code called Oscailt 3.0
http://www.indymedia.ie/oscailt/

jd

--
jd in .ie \ photovideo@...
newer new Blog... http://Agitprop.AllOtherPlaces.org
links I find... http://del.icio.us/redjade
indymedia.ie photos... http://AllOtherPlaces.org/redjade

Donald H. Rumsfeld speaks:
'Today we are engaged in the first war in history -- unconventional
and irregular as it is -- in an era of: E-mail, Blogs, Blackberries,
Instant messaging, Digital cameras, A global Internet with no
inhibitions, Cell phones, Hand held video cameras, Talk radio, 24
hours news broadcasts,  and Satellite television.'
http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2006/sp20060217-125....html

I am thinking of not renewing irishblogosphere.com/net/org/biz/info as I
have not had much time to do anything with them. Anyone interested in
them? They were part of a plan to build an Irish blogosphere search
engine but that plan got sidelined as I was working on a global hoster
stats database project.

Regards...jmcc
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******************************************************
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MC2            *  voice:  +353-51-873640
22 Viewmount   *  web:  http://www.whoisireland.com/
Waterford      *  The Irish Domains Directory
Ireland        *  Irish Domain Stats & Market Research
******************************************************

I was a little bored earlier, so I knocked a little something together
that some of you might find useful:

      http://talideon.com/ping.php

Just type in the name of your blog and its URL and it'll ping both
Planet of the Blogs and IrishBlogs.ie. I wrote it because it's not
technically feasible to get my weblog software to make XML-RPC calls
as needed to ping the two aggregators. Others out there who are in
the same position or who are using Blogger or some other such service
might find it a little useful.

If anyone has any suggestions for enhancements, I'd be happy to oblige.

K.

Blog comments bite press in the butt


Posted: 23 February 2006 By: Jemima Kiss

Email: jemima@...

Times columnist David Aaronovitch is being troubled by a - or
possibly the - Benjamin, a notorious web pest.

The trouble with Benjamin is the quality of his postings; he has a
web reputation for contributions so benign and pointless that they
border on soporific. This particular sub-species of blogger can
mostly be found on centre-left political sites but Benji's particular
talents have already proved lampoonable enough to inspire at least
three spoof sites.

Mr Aaronovitch is a little more blunt about Benjamin's talents: "He
has the mentality of a moderately clever, but destructive, nine-year
old."

Abuse, violent disagreement and even being proved wrong all make for
acceptable comments, writes Mr Aaronovitch.

more @ http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/story1723.shtml

Hi,

Some of you may be interested in this post.  I'd love to hear what you
think.

http://imeall.blogspot.com/2006/02/85-so-should-i-blog-in-english.html

Regards,
Conn

Hi all,

Hopefully, a plug won't be frowned upon! I'm not sure if anyone would
remember me as it's been quite a while since I ended my weblog in 2004.
I just started a new one there (www.tomcosgrave.com), hope you all drop by!

Cheers,
Tom
--

tomcosgrave ¤
tom(at)tomcosgrave.com

I've been trying to get them to install a broadband connection for me
for the last three months, and they still haven't followed through
despite taking my money and umpteen emails and phone-calls to them. I
was just wondering if this is an isolated incident or if others on the
list who've dealt with them have had similar difficulties?

K.

Sorry about that guys.  I've been away last week...and in the
interim my email on browseireland.com went down (in fact I haven't
received those emails even know - which I must look into).  I'm only
seeing this now.

Gruesome image alright.  I had difficulty looking at it.  I have
removed it now.  In fact I've removed his blog.  As far as I
remember this chap was originally from outside the country, he was
declaring his location as the People's Republic, which is why we
included him, but he seems to have moved outside the country again.

On inclusion of images.  We decided to run with it as it brings the
blog posts to life.  It is a risk and we may change our mind on it.
This is the probably only the second one we've had to delete.  Best
idea would be to have a reporting system ("report this") type button
where the response would be quicker (than a week!).  This would
might help to deal with offensive content / copyright issues / libel
issues as well as image issues and non-irish-under-the-radar ones.
It's been on the "to do" list for a while.

Thanks for the heads-up John.

Regards,
Roger


--- In irishblogs@yahoogroups.com, John Breslin <john.breslin@d...>
wrote:
>
> If there's someone here from irishblogs.ie - there's an offensive
image
> being displayed on the main page - (don't click if you're
squeamish)
>
http://uneenu.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-now-sit-wearing-jock-strap-with.html
>
> I think this is one of the reasons why images shouldn't be shown
on
> aggregators...
>
> John.
>
> --
> Dr. John Breslin
> DERI, NUI Galway
> http://sw.deri.org/~jbreslin/
> john.breslin@d...
>

So, do you fry them with onions and then add the sauce?

Cybes

shitty first draft 

--- In irishblogs@yahoogroups.com, John Breslin <john.breslin@d...> wrote:
>
>
> >> It's not much worse than you'll see on primetime TV, though. Those
> >> traffic accident ads in particular leave me feeling assaulted every time
> >> I see them.
> >>
> >
> > The image is strong, but it's not hardcore porn or bestiality
> >
> >
> True - it could be a lot worse - actually when I saw it first I wasn't
> sure if it was some genital mutilation at home or a real medical
> procedure until I saw the image came from some UK medical site - but
> either way I think it may shock those less hardened
>
> >> I'd disagree, but then again I have a lot of images on my blog and my
> >> posts lose most of their meaning/impact without them so I'm biased.
> >>
> >
> > I've no problem with images in aggregators and some of the blogs I
> > currently aggregate at http://planet.irishblogs.info would look a bit
> > odd without images
> >
>
> Maybe I'm just trying to justify my previous decision of not turning
> images on at POTB. Recently I was considering using GD or ImageMagick
> to generate a cached fixed-width image thumbnail for showing on the left
> hand side, similar to what irishblogs.ie/planet.irishblogs.info show -
> something for the future.
>
> Actually, the blog that that image came from doesn't look Irish to me -
> I can't see anything that says Ireland (apart from a comment linked URL)
> on it - so I suspect it just slipped under their radar.
>
> J.
> --
>

twenty_major wrote:
> How does this thing work?
>
> Why, for example is this blog - http://instantpunditry.blogspirit.com/
> - going up the charts when it hasn't updated for over a month and this
> blog - http://taint.org/ - is at number 3 without any votes?
>
> Just curious.
>

They've obviously included the code on their blogs properly ie. it is
somewhere which loads every time there is a page view.




--
http://www.mneylon.com/blog
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/registry/1QOSYTRF179X2/ref=wl_em_to

How does this thing work?

Why, for example is this blog - http://instantpunditry.blogspirit.com/
- going up the charts when it hasn't updated for over a month and this
blog - http://taint.org/ - is at number 3 without any votes?

Just curious.

>> It's not much worse than you'll see on primetime TV, though.  Those
>> traffic accident ads in particular leave me feeling assaulted every time
>> I see them.
>>
>
> The image is strong, but it's not hardcore porn or bestiality
>
>
True - it could be a lot worse - actually when I saw it first I wasn't
sure if it was some genital mutilation at home or a real medical
procedure until I saw the image came from some UK medical site - but
either way I think it may shock those less hardened ;)

>> I'd disagree, but then again I have a lot of images on my blog and my
>> posts lose most of their meaning/impact without them so I'm biased.
>>
>
> I've no problem with images in aggregators and some of the blogs I
> currently aggregate at http://planet.irishblogs.info would look a bit
> odd without images :)
>

Maybe I'm just trying to justify my previous decision of not turning
images on at POTB.  Recently I was considering using GD or ImageMagick
to generate a cached fixed-width image thumbnail for showing on the left
hand side, similar to what irishblogs.ie/planet.irishblogs.info show -
something for the future.

Actually, the blog that that image came from doesn't look Irish to me -
I can't see anything that says Ireland (apart from a comment linked URL)
on it - so I suspect it just slipped under their radar.

J.
--

Martin Feeney wrote:
> Michele Neylon wrote:
>
>>John Breslin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If there's someone here from irishblogs.ie - there's an offensive image
>>>being displayed on the main page - (don't click if you're squeamish)
>>>http://uneenu.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-now-sit-wearing-jock-strap-with.html
>
>
> Wow!  That's fairly graphic.  When they look that mangled, there's
> hardly any offence left to be taken from the fact that they're genitals,
> though.
>
> It's not much worse than you'll see on primetime TV, though.  Those
> traffic accident ads in particular leave me feeling assaulted every time
> I see them.

The image is strong, but it's not hardcore porn or bestiality

>
>
>>>I think this is one of the reasons why images shouldn't be shown on
>>>aggregators...
>
>
> I'd disagree, but then again I have a lot of images on my blog and my
> posts lose most of their meaning/impact without them so I'm biased.

I've no problem with images in aggregators and some of the blogs I
currently aggregate at http://planet.irishblogs.info would look a bit
odd without images :)

>
>
>>John
>>
>>The only contact email I have is currently bouncing
>
>
> He sometimes posts to this list as roger.galligan@... if
> that's the one you're using...
>

It is the one I used. I emailed him a couple of days ago about something
totally unrelated and got the bounce a couple of hours ago

--
http://www.mneylon.com/blog
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/registry/1QOSYTRF179X2/ref=wl_em_to

Michele Neylon wrote:
> John Breslin wrote:
>
>>If there's someone here from irishblogs.ie - there's an offensive image
>>being displayed on the main page - (don't click if you're squeamish)
>>http://uneenu.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-now-sit-wearing-jock-strap-with.html

Wow!  That's fairly graphic.  When they look that mangled, there's
hardly any offence left to be taken from the fact that they're genitals,
though.

It's not much worse than you'll see on primetime TV, though.  Those
traffic accident ads in particular leave me feeling assaulted every time
I see them.

>>I think this is one of the reasons why images shouldn't be shown on
>>aggregators...

I'd disagree, but then again I have a lot of images on my blog and my
posts lose most of their meaning/impact without them so I'm biased.

> John
>
> The only contact email I have is currently bouncing

He sometimes posts to this list as roger.galligan@... if
that's the one you're using...

Martin.

John Breslin wrote:
> If there's someone here from irishblogs.ie - there's an offensive image
> being displayed on the main page - (don't click if you're squeamish)
> http://uneenu.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-now-sit-wearing-jock-strap-with.html
>
> I think this is one of the reasons why images shouldn't be shown on
> aggregators...
>
> John.
>
John

The only contact email I have is currently bouncing

Michele

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