I have just discovered NanoEmacs - so much editor power in such a
tiny footprint - Great work!

Howver, I have a major problem using ne (under Windows) with a German
keyboard - I changed ne.emf to say "!if 1 ; Deutsch", but this has
made no difference - I still can't type characters such as "{[]}\~@|".

What else do I need to know to get a German input locale for ne?

-- David J Hughes

Make sure that the file "ne.emf" is really loading. To test
the script then load ne.emf into "ne" and then

	 M-x execute-buffer

Try the keys again they should work. To see if
the execution is taking the correct path then could
splatter a few commands in the macro file i.e.

	 1000 ml-write "Got here"

Once executed try the keyboard again - if it now
works then the start up file is not being located.
Put the file "ne.emf" on the execution path.

Regards
Jon.



hughes_dj wrote:
>
> I have just discovered NanoEmacs - so much editor power in such a
> tiny footprint - Great work!
>
> Howver, I have a major problem using ne (under Windows) with a German
> keyboard - I changed ne.emf to say "!if 1 ; Deutsch", but this has
> made no difference - I still can't type characters such as "{[]}\~@|".
>
> What else do I need to know to get a German input locale for ne?
>
> -- David J Hughes
>
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I know ne.emf is being loaded because I get the dark red modeline ;-)

Actually, that reminds me - although I have set MEPATH to point to
where ne.exe & ne.emf resides, ne.emf does not get read unless I
start ne directly from that directory. (I added MEPATH to my PATH).

Anyway, I have found the problem: For some reason, I had to change
Detlef Groth's stuff as follows:

     !if 1                                   ; Deutsch
         ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
         translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
         translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
         translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
         translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c"
         translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
         translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
         translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
         translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
         translate-key "A-¨ˆ" "\xb2"
         translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
     !endif

-- David

--- In jasspa@y..., Jon Green <jnaught@s...> wrote:
> Make sure that the file "ne.emf" is really loading. To test
> the script then load ne.emf into "ne" and then
>
>  M-x execute-buffer
>
> Try the keys again they should work. To see if
> the execution is taking the correct path then could
> splatter a few commands in the macro file i.e.
>
>  1000 ml-write "Got here"
>
> Once executed try the keyboard again - if it now
> works then the start up file is not being located.
> Put the file "ne.emf" on the execution path.
>
> Regards
> Jon.
>
>
>
> hughes_dj wrote:
> >
> > I have just discovered NanoEmacs - so much editor power in such a
> > tiny footprint - Great work!
> >
> > Howver, I have a major problem using ne (under Windows) with a
German
> > keyboard - I changed ne.emf to say "!if 1 ; Deutsch", but this has
> > made no difference - I still can't type characters such as "{[]}
\~@|".
> >
> > What else do I need to know to get a German input locale for ne?
> >
> > -- David J Hughes
> >
> >
> >
______________________________________________________________________
____
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OK Thanks,

	 I'm now not sure what keyboard translation is
	 correct for a German Keyboard ? Do you have a
	 German Keyboard in Germany or operating with
	 some other country code ?

	 I would be interested in knowing if the translations
	 as they were worked with Detlef's keyboard/locale
	 setting.

	 Locales are always difficult !

Jon.

hughes_dj wrote:
>
> I know ne.emf is being loaded because I get the dark red modeline ;-)
>
> Actually, that reminds me - although I have set MEPATH to point to
> where ne.exe & ne.emf resides, ne.emf does not get read unless I
> start ne directly from that directory. (I added MEPATH to my PATH).
>
> Anyway, I have found the problem: For some reason, I had to change
> Detlef Groth's stuff as follows:
>
>     !if 1                                   ; Deutsch
>         ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
>         translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
>         translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
>         translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
>         translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c"
>         translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
>         translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
>         translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
>         translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
>         translate-key "A-¨ˆ" "\xb2"
>         translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
>     !endif
>
> -- David
>

Ahhh ! It seems that the German keyboard stuff in the default ne.emf
works only with *Windows* ne.exe and not the *console* version! Is
there a test I can put in ne.emf to detect which version is running?

-- David

--- In jasspa@y..., "hughes_dj" <hughes_dj@h...> wrote:
> I know ne.emf is being loaded because I get the dark red modeline ;-
)
>
> Actually, that reminds me - although I have set MEPATH to point to
> where ne.exe & ne.emf resides, ne.emf does not get read unless I
> start ne directly from that directory. (I added MEPATH to my PATH).
>
> Anyway, I have found the problem: For some reason, I had to change
> Detlef Groth's stuff as follows:
>
>     !if 1                                   ; Deutsch
>         ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
>         translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
>         translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
>         translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
>         translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c"
>         translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
>         translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
>         translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
>         translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
>         translate-key "A-¨ˆ" "\xb2"
>         translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
>     !endif
>
> -- David
>
> --- In jasspa@y..., Jon Green <jnaught@s...> wrote:
> > Make sure that the file "ne.emf" is really loading. To test
> > the script then load ne.emf into "ne" and then
> >
> >  M-x execute-buffer
> >
> > Try the keys again they should work. To see if
> > the execution is taking the correct path then could
> > splatter a few commands in the macro file i.e.
> >
> >  1000 ml-write "Got here"
> >
> > Once executed try the keyboard again - if it now
> > works then the start up file is not being located.
> > Put the file "ne.emf" on the execution path.
> >
> > Regards
> > Jon.
> >
> >
> >
> > hughes_dj wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just discovered NanoEmacs - so much editor power in such
a
> > > tiny footprint - Great work!
> > >
> > > Howver, I have a major problem using ne (under Windows) with a
> German
> > > keyboard - I changed ne.emf to say "!if 1 ; Deutsch", but this
has
> > > made no difference - I still can't type characters such as "{[]}
> \~@|".
> > >
> > > What else do I need to know to get a German input locale for ne?
> > >
> > > -- David J Hughes
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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Here is a solution that works for me (NT, 2000, XP)

Create a file called ne32.bat containing just one line:

start /DC:\DJH\APPS\Tools\ ne.exe %1

(Replace C:\DJH\APPS\Tools\ with the path to your ne.exe,ne.emf

The /D switch tells Windows to start ne.exe in that dir. This works
great for NT, 2000, XP - I don't know about Win9x - anyone?

-- David

I had a suspicion it was a Windows/Console issue - I hate this crap
inconsistent operating system, it causes so much grief! Whats the betting that
this only occurs on a Win98 Console... What flavour of windows are you using
just in case we do have more problems in this area?

You can test as follows:

	 !if &band $system 1
		 ; console
	 !else
		 ; window
	 !endif

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hughes_dj [mailto:hughes_dj@...]
> Sent: 05 June 2002 15:20
> To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [jasspa] Re: NanoEmacs and German keyboards
>
>
> Ahhh ! It seems that the German keyboard stuff in the default ne.emf
> works only with *Windows* ne.exe and not the *console* version! Is
> there a test I can put in ne.emf to detect which version is running?
>
> -- David
>
> --- In jasspa@y..., "hughes_dj" <hughes_dj@h...> wrote:
> > I know ne.emf is being loaded because I get the dark red modeline ;-
> )
> >
> > Actually, that reminds me - although I have set MEPATH to point to
> > where ne.exe & ne.emf resides, ne.emf does not get read unless I
> > start ne directly from that directory. (I added MEPATH to my PATH).
> >
> > Anyway, I have found the problem: For some reason, I had to change
> > Detlef Groth's stuff as follows:
> >
> >     !if 1                                   ; Deutsch
> >         ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
> >         translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
> >         translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
> >         translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
> >         translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c"
> >         translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
> >         translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
> >         translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
> >         translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
> >         translate-key "A-¨ˆ" "\xb2"
> >         translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
> >     !endif
> >
> > -- David
> >
> > --- In jasspa@y..., Jon Green <jnaught@s...> wrote:
> > > Make sure that the file "ne.emf" is really loading. To test
> > > the script then load ne.emf into "ne" and then
> > >
> > >  M-x execute-buffer
> > >
> > > Try the keys again they should work. To see if
> > > the execution is taking the correct path then could
> > > splatter a few commands in the macro file i.e.
> > >
> > >  1000 ml-write "Got here"
> > >
> > > Once executed try the keyboard again - if it now
> > > works then the start up file is not being located.
> > > Put the file "ne.emf" on the execution path.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hughes_dj wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have just discovered NanoEmacs - so much editor power in such
> a
> > > > tiny footprint - Great work!
> > > >
> > > > Howver, I have a major problem using ne (under Windows) with a
> > German
> > > > keyboard - I changed ne.emf to say "!if 1 ; Deutsch", but this
> has
> > > > made no difference - I still can't type characters such as "{[]}
> > \~@|".
> > > >
> > > > What else do I need to know to get a German input locale for ne?
> > > >
> > > > -- David J Hughes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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I have set $keep-versions to 0. What else do I need do to tell NE
that I don't want *any* backups at all?

-- David

Disable the backup mode, i.e. add the following to your ne.emf

	 -1 global-mode "backup"

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hughes_dj [mailto:hughes_dj@...]
> Sent: 06 June 2002 14:29
> To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [jasspa] NanoEmacs - how to stop backups completely?
>
>
> I have set $keep-versions to 0. What else do I need do to tell NE
> that I don't want *any* backups at all?
>
> -- David
>
>
>
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Thanks!  Were is all this documented so that I can avoid asking lots
of silly questions? I am very familiar with XEmacs lisp (my .emacs
contains ~10,000 lines of elisp!) , but this microemacs syntax is
still quite new and strange to me...

-- djh

--- In jasspa@y..., "Steven Phillips" <sphillips@p...> wrote:
> Disable the backup mode, i.e. add the following to your ne.emf
>
>  -1 global-mode "backup"
>
> Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hughes_dj [mailto:hughes_dj@h...]
> > Sent: 06 June 2002 14:29
> > To: jasspa@y...
> > Subject: [jasspa] NanoEmacs - how to stop backups completely?
> >
> >
> > I have set $keep-versions to 0. What else do I need do to tell NE
> > that I don't want *any* backups at all?
> >
> > -- David
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I use the on-line ME help (me.ehf file), start-up ME (not NE) and in the main
menu go to Help -> General Help, select search, using a search for of "backup"
gets you a pretty good list, using "+backup +disable" gets you a better list.

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hughes_dj [mailto:hughes_dj@...]
> Sent: 06 June 2002 15:02
> To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [jasspa] Re: NanoEmacs - how to stop backups completely?
>
>
> Thanks!  Were is all this documented so that I can avoid asking lots
> of silly questions? I am very familiar with XEmacs lisp (my .emacs
> contains ~10,000 lines of elisp!) , but this microemacs syntax is
> still quite new and strange to me...
>
> -- djh
>
> --- In jasspa@y..., "Steven Phillips" <sphillips@p...> wrote:
> > Disable the backup mode, i.e. add the following to your ne.emf
> >
> >  -1 global-mode "backup"
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: hughes_dj [mailto:hughes_dj@h...]
> > > Sent: 06 June 2002 14:29
> > > To: jasspa@y...
> > > Subject: [jasspa] NanoEmacs - how to stop backups completely?
> > >
> > >
> > > I have set $keep-versions to 0. What else do I need do to tell NE
> > > that I don't want *any* backups at all?
> > >
> > > -- David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Hi,

On Detlef Groth's ME page, I found a nice version of the ME help in
Windows Help file format, http://www.microemacs.de/download/me99.chm

This is very useful, and (for me) slightly easier to use than the
normal ME online help.

My question: does anyone have a more uptodate version, ie me02.chm or
similar?

-- David

Hello,

ok seems that someone is interested so I will do a update for me2002
soon.

regards, Detlef

   >Hi,
   >
   >On Detlef Groth's ME page, I found a nice version of the ME help in
   >Windows Help file format, http://www.microemacs.de/download/me99.chm
   >
   >This is very useful, and (for me) slightly easier to use than the
   >normal ME online help.
   >
   >My question: does anyone have a more uptodate version, ie me02.chm or
   >similar?
   >
   >-- David
   >
   >


--
Dr. Detlef Groth
Max-Planck-Institut
fuer Molekulare Genetik
Ihnestr. 63/73
D-14195 Berlin
Tel.: + 49 30 - 8413 1235
Email: dgroth@...
Email: dgroth@...

Thanks! I look forward to it.

-- br, David

--- In jasspa@y..., "Dr. Detlef Groth" <dgroth@g...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> ok seems that someone is interested so I will do a update for me2002
> soon.
>
> regards, Detlef
>
>   >Hi,
>   >
>   >On Detlef Groth's ME page, I found a nice version of the ME help
in
>   >Windows Help file format,
http://www.microemacs.de/download/me99.chm
>   >
>   >This is very useful, and (for me) slightly easier to use than
the
>   >normal ME online help.
>   >
>   >My question: does anyone have a more uptodate version, ie
me02.chm or
>   >similar?
>   >
>   >-- David
>   >
>   >
>
>
> --
> Dr. Detlef Groth
> Max-Planck-Institut
> fuer Molekulare Genetik
> Ihnestr. 63/73
> D-14195 Berlin
> Tel.: + 49 30 - 8413 1235
> Email: dgroth@m...
> Email: dgroth@g...

I tried to execute Detlefs solution


> >     !if 1                                   ; Deutsch
> >         ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
> >         translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
> >         translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
> >         translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
> >         translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c"
> >         translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
> >         translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
> >         translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
> >         translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
> >         translate-key "A-¨^" "\xb2"
> >         translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
> >     !endif
>

but it doesn't word

I could solve some problems with the following method


I pressed the german key with an un-translated ne.emf
In the command-line cound I found the definition of the key i.e.
[key not bound "A-C-["]

So I created an translation like a changed version from Detlef
!if 1                                   ; Deutsch
   ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
   ;translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
   translate-key "A-C-7" "{";works
   ;translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
   translate-key "A-C-8" "}";works



   ;not ok translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c";
   ;translate-key "A-C-]" "\x5c"; Backslash bei ss ß

   ;translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
   translate-key "A-C-=" "~" ;works

   ;not ok translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
   ;geht nicht translate-key "A-C-3" "\xb5" ; hoch 3
   ;wie ist hoch 2

   ;translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
   ;translate-key "A-C-9" "\x5b"
   translate-key "A-C-9" "]"

   ;translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
   ;geht auch translate-key "A-C-8" "\x5b"
   translate-key "A-C-8" "["

   ;translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
   translate-key "A-C-q" "@";works

   translate-key "A-C-m" "µ"; works



   ;not ol translate-key "A-¨^" "\xb2"
   ;not ok translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
   ;geht nicht translate-key "A-C-<" "|"
!endif



Problem | still exist
but I get for the german keyboard instead ov A-C-< the key A-C-b
and A-C-b is in prinzipal double

² and ³ are not so important

Problem \ still exist

Can you help me ?

Arne

Read messages 644 to 650 for an answer to your problem.

-- David J Hughes

--- In jasspa@y..., "Kludszuweit Dr, Arne (A.)" <akludszu@f...> wrote:
> I tried to execute Detlefs solution
>
>
> > >     !if 1                                   ; Deutsch
> > >         ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
> > >         translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
> > >         translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
> > >         translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
> > >         translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c"
> > >         translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
> > >         translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
> > >         translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
> > >         translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
> > >         translate-key "A-¨^" "\xb2"
> > >         translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
> > >     !endif
> >
>
> but it doesn't word
>
> I could solve some problems with the following method
>
>
> I pressed the german key with an un-translated ne.emf
> In the command-line cound I found the definition of the key i.e.
> [key not bound "A-C-["]
>
> So I created an translation like a changed version from Detlef
> !if 1                                   ; Deutsch
>   ; Thanks to Detlef Groth
>   ;translate-key "A-{" "\x7b"
>   translate-key "A-C-7" "{";works
>   ;translate-key "A-}" "\x7d"
>   translate-key "A-C-8" "}";works
>
>
>
>   ;not ok translate-key "A-\\" "\x5c";
>   ;translate-key "A-C-]" "\x5c"; Backslash bei ss ß
>
>   ;translate-key "A-~" "\x7e"
>   translate-key "A-C-=" "~" ;works
>
>   ;not ok translate-key "A-\xb5" "\xb5"
>   ;geht nicht translate-key "A-C-3" "\xb5" ; hoch 3
>   ;wie ist hoch 2
>
>   ;translate-key "A-]" "\x5d"
>   ;translate-key "A-C-9" "\x5b"
>   translate-key "A-C-9" "]"
>
>   ;translate-key "A-[" "\x5b"
>   ;geht auch translate-key "A-C-8" "\x5b"
>   translate-key "A-C-8" "["
>
>   ;translate-key "A-@" "\x40"
>   translate-key "A-C-q" "@";works
>
>   translate-key "A-C-m" "µ"; works
>
>
>
>   ;not ol translate-key "A-¨^" "\xb2"
>   ;not ok translate-key "A-|" "\x7c"
>   ;geht nicht translate-key "A-C-<" "|"
> !endif
>
>
>
> Problem | still exist
> but I get for the german keyboard instead ov A-C-< the key A-C-b
> and A-C-b is in prinzipal double
>
> ² and ³ are not so important
>
> Problem \ still exist
>
> Can you help me ?
>
> Arne

the updated helpfile for ME 2002
is at http://www.dgroth.de/me2002.chm

in the moment this is for windows-users only. I will try to implement a
UNIX-variant too during the next few days ....



regards,
Detlef

--
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Max-Planck-Institut
fuer Molekulare Genetik
Ihnestr. 63/73
D-14195 Berlin
Tel.: + 49 30 - 8413 1235
Email: dgroth@...
Email: dgroth@...

Detlef - Thank you very much, greatly appreciated!

-- David

--- In jasspa@y..., "Dr. Detlef Groth" <dgroth@g...> wrote:
>
> the updated helpfile for ME 2002
> is at http://www.dgroth.de/me2002.chm
>
> in the moment this is for windows-users only. I will try to
implement a
> UNIX-variant too during the next few days ....
>
>
>
> regards,
> Detlef
>
> --
> Dr. Detlef Groth
> Max-Planck-Institut
> fuer Molekulare Genetik
> Ihnestr. 63/73
> D-14195 Berlin
> Tel.: + 49 30 - 8413 1235
> Email: dgroth@m...
> Email: dgroth@g...

Hi, I'm trying to use the 'vm' facility to read mail.  Does this
currently work?  (Using ver 02/01/01.)  I'd rather use ME than the
pine/elm type of wimpy mail readers. (As long as I'm going to suffer,
it's better to suffer with a program I can hack! :-) )

Here's the deal:

When a new message comes in, vm appends it to the inbox file, but does
not show a new header for it in the message list window.  It looks
like it doesn't know how to tell one message from the mext.  In Y!
messages 469ff there is reference to a "standard divide line" and some
advice on getting 'postie' (WinNT util) to generate one.  In Unix mbox
format, this is a line starting with "From", and I don't know of a way
to change this.  Surely vm knows how to deal with this, as it's been
that way forever.  Advice?


Other questions:

Is there a way to *quit* the VM facility (instead of merely hiding it
and putting it in the background by hitting Del).  I guess this would
involve saving and killing all the vm
windows plus doing a 'stop-mail-check'.

Does somebody happen to have a good command line to Mime-encode a
message?  (There is an example for uuencoding; I assume we're supposed
to put this in one of the Insert Data fields.)

What does the "format mail message" ('f' command) do?
The 'D' command (delete current mailbox) if used on 'inbox', does save
one's work but doesn't actually delete anything.  (I was thinking
maybe that was a way to quit.  But it seems to be the way to get back
to the inbox without haveing to 'v' and type its name.)


My setup is as follows in User Setup (platform is RedHat Linux 7.2).
I've tried to follow the example in vm(3) as much as possible.

User Mail Dir: /home/thundt/Mail
Sent Mail Signature: /home/thundt/.sig (is the /home/thundt really
necessary?)
Carbon-Copy File: sentmail
Send Mail Command: /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -odi -t < %o (given in
vm(3))
Queue Outgoing Mail: N  (what does this do?  not in documentation)
Check Mail Every: 60 sec (just for testing)
Get Mail Command: (blank; use /var/mail mechanism)
Incoming Mail Box: /var/mail/thundt
VM Main In Box: inbox
Mime Data Extract: rm -f /tmp/%b ; metamail -B -d -q -w -x -z %i ; mv
-f /tmp/%b %o (the value given in vm(3))
Uuencode Extract: rm -f %o ; uudecode %i ; rm -f %i (again, in vm(3))

Thanks

-Tom Hundt

I read in the documentation that Jasspa developed a dll to intergrate
MicroEmacs into Microsoft Development Studio.  The name of the said
dll was memsdev.dll.  I can't find this file in the binary
distribution available for Microsoft OS's.  Where can I find this dll?

Sincerely,

Dan Perry

You have to build memsdev.dll !! Given that you have MS-DEV
Studio then you can build it. The source and MS project
are in a sub-directory of the source tree called "memsdev".

I have used "memsdev" in the past but did not really like
the level of integration. If you are an expert at
COM then I would be interested in the debugging interface.
The other downside is OLE support, would be better if
ME would doc in the sub-window.

See how you go with it - am open to suggestions.

Regards
Jon.

eatmyhairyshorts wrote:
>
> I read in the documentation that Jasspa developed a dll to intergrate
> MicroEmacs into Microsoft Development Studio.  The name of the said
> dll was memsdev.dll.  I can't find this file in the binary
> distribution available for Microsoft OS's.  Where can I find this dll?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dan Perry
>

Greetings,

I am using me on an hpux.  I use it to edit .SQL files and everything
is working great except when I press the tab key I get 4 spaces
inserted and I only want three, but I can't determine where that is
set.  What I need is some help understanding the variables $tabsize
and $tabwidth and where I should set them.  I use the same tab width
for all the types of files that I edit and I always want spaces
inserted, so I would like to know where to make the change so that it
is global for all file types.

Thanks,
Rick.

I found some more info in the FAQ on $tabwidth, but even after I set it to 3 it
gets reset to 4 when I edit a .sql file.  Is there a global place where indent
mode is modified based on the file type?

Thanks,
Rick.

--- Rick Owen <rickowen@...> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am using me on an hpux.  I use it to edit .SQL files and everything
> is working great except when I press the tab key I get 4 spaces
> inserted and I only want three, but I can't determine where that is
> set.  What I need is some help understanding the variables $tabsize
> and $tabwidth and where I should set them.  I use the same tab width
> for all the types of files that I edit and I always want spaces
> inserted, so I would like to know where to make the change so that it
> is global for all file types.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick.
>
>


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Could create own buffer extensions to cope with the tab width
setting i.e. mysql.emf. Then in the .sql file you can introduce
the header:-

/* -!- sql tabsize:3; -!- */

... SQL file ....

This sets the tab size in the header and it is adopted for
that buffer only. The problem with setting $tabsize is that
it affects all buffers which is not generally desirable.
You probably want to leave $tabwidth alone as this causes
mis formatting errors in other editors.

If you use the tab key then may be easier to perform
a buffer bind of <tab> and <S-Tab> in the fhook to
map these onto inserting 3 spaces. If you need some
help with this then shout.

Looking at the SQL hook file then it is very basic -
if you are doing a lot of work in SQL then it will
be work adding indentation and comment rules.
(Look at hkemf.emf) for an example.

Regards
Jon.

File mysql.emf
--------------

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;
;  Author        : $Author$
;  Created By    : Jon Green
;  Created       : Mon Sep 16 15:35:26 2002
;  Last Modified : <020916.1539>
;
;  Description
;
;  Notes
;
;  History
;
;  Copyright (c) 2002 Jon Green.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

define-macro my-fhook-sql
     set-variable :tabsize  $tabsize
     set-variable :tabwidth $tabwidth
     ; Search for additional modes in a -!- sql -!-
     ;
     ; -!- tex; fill-column: <digit> -!-
     ;
     ;
     beginning-of-buffer
     !force -20 regex-forward &spr "-[*!]-"
     !if $status
         ; Search for tabsize: <var>;
         !force -1 regex-forward "tabsize[ \t]*:[ \t]*\\([0-9]+\\)[ \t]*[-;]"
         !if $status
             set-variable :tabsize @s1
             beginning-of-line
         !endif
         ; Search for tabwidth: <var>;
         !force -1 regex-forward "tabwidth[ \t]*:[ \t]*\\([0-9]+\\)[ \t]*[-;]"
         !if $status
             set-variable :tabwidth @s1
             beginning-of-line
         !endif
         ; Add any others in here.

         ; Back to the start of the buffer
         beginning-of-buffer
     !endif
!emacro

;
; Buffer hook. Modify the fill mode to left only. This ensures that we
; always fill the line correctly irrespective of the mode of the caller.
; The likes of centre and justified are not warrented in a TeX buffer.
;
0 define-macro my-bhook-sql
     ; Save the other context. Restore local context
     set-variable :otabwidth $tabwidth
     set-variable $tabwidth  :tabwidth
     set-variable :otabsize  $tabsize
     set-variable $tabsize   :tabsize
!emacro
;
0 define-macro my-ehook-sql
     ; Restore existing context
     set-variable :tabwidth $tabwidth
     set-variable $tabwidth :otabwidth
     set-variable :tabsize $tabsize
     set-variable $tabsize :otabsize
!emacro



Rick Owen wrote:
>
> I found some more info in the FAQ on $tabwidth, but even after I set it to 3
it
> gets reset to 4 when I edit a .sql file.  Is there a global place where indent
> mode is modified based on the file type?
>
> Thanks,
> Rick.
>
> --- Rick Owen <rickowen@...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am using me on an hpux.  I use it to edit .SQL files and everything
> > is working great except when I press the tab key I get 4 spaces
> > inserted and I only want three, but I can't determine where that is
> > set.  What I need is some help understanding the variables $tabsize
> > and $tabwidth and where I should set them.  I use the same tab width
> > for all the types of files that I edit and I always want spaces
> > inserted, so I would like to know where to make the change so that it
> > is global for all file types.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rick.
> >
> >
>
> =====
> "Lawyers, I suppose, were children once." (Charles Lamb)
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Jon,

Thanks for the quick response.  I'll have to digest what you sent, but if I
need more help I'll be sure and ask. That's one thing about this list --
questions always gets answered.

Thanks again,
Rick.

--- Jon Green <jnaught@...> wrote:
> Could create own buffer extensions to cope with the tab width
[snip]

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Has any one ever ported the nanoemacs editor to the Gentoo distribution?
http://www.gentoo.org/

Gentoo is a distro that is pure build from source, like BSD systems.

Gentoo's native boot editor is called 'nano', it needs to be small, but to be
blunt it sucks in comparesion to nanoemacs (or any emacs).

I was going to try to make a 'ebuild' script for Gentoo, but I wanted to find
out if any one else had done it before I reinvent the wheel.  If you never
heard of Gentoo, then you have no clue what I'm talking about. :-)

Has any one ported any of the Jasspa code to Gentoo?

--
       http://www.unusualresearch.com/ http://www.bpaddock.com/

Bob,

	 First that I've heard of Gentoo - certainly not
	 received any correspondence on this distro from
	 anybody. Slackware user myself - simple and
	 clean no frilly X-Window config stuff !

	 Guess the software should build from source.
	 Noted GCC 3.2, I'm not aware that the source
	 has been built on GCC 3.+ yet.

	 Looks like you are on your own - let us know
	 how you get on.

Regards
Jon.

Bob Paddock wrote:
>
> Has any one ever ported the nanoemacs editor to the Gentoo distribution?
> http://www.gentoo.org/
>
> Gentoo is a distro that is pure build from source, like BSD systems.
>
> Gentoo's native boot editor is called 'nano', it needs to be small, but to be
> blunt it sucks in comparesion to nanoemacs (or any emacs).
>
> I was going to try to make a 'ebuild' script for Gentoo, but I wanted to find
> out if any one else had done it before I reinvent the wheel.  If you never
> heard of Gentoo, then you have no clue what I'm talking about. :-)
>
> Has any one ported any of the Jasspa code to Gentoo?
>
> --
>       http://www.unusualresearch.com/ http://www.bpaddock.com/

Each time I create a new C program file, it would stick in a huge comment
block for me to fill in name and company and some legal stuff.

What I want is just a plain empty text file to write my code. How do I
disable the auto-template insert?

I read thru the FAQ and it just mentioned about file-hook and setting up
user preferences and I do not know how to go about doing it.

Thanks in advance.



---
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Singapore


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Initially I thought MicroEmacs should be a tiny text editor (a mini-clone of
Emacs) weighing in below 1 MB. But after installing it, it came up to about
6MB huge, not small enough to fit onto a 1.44MB floppy disk. GNU Emacs
itself is about 11MB.

I did not use the InstallShield bundle (jasspame.exe ~3.7MB) and I opted to
download the seperate packages I believe I need.

So the executable image (required) is 528 KB (which is fine), added in the
macro file (required) 1.69MB (too huge!) and I dunno if I really need the
spelling dictionary and I just added them in. The HTML Help files are
optional but I installed them for reference.

btw, I'm just using MicroEmacs as a simple programming editor with
syntax-highlighting for C, Perl and Java. So what is really required or
essential? Can I cut down on some of the macro if I don't use them (syntax
highlighting for some unused programming languages) and how to identify and
cut down on them?

---
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Singapore


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Create your own template file for 'C' etc. These
files all have the .etf extension. Your files will
be empty if you really have no header at all !!
So the file for 'C' is c.etf. The new files
will typically shaddow the existing files and
are placed in the <user> or <company> directories.

Jon.

Yong Kwang Goh wrote:
>
> Each time I create a new C program file, it would stick in a huge comment
> block for me to fill in name and company and some legal stuff.
>
> What I want is just a plain empty text file to write my code. How do I
> disable the auto-template insert?
>
> I read thru the FAQ and it just mentioned about file-hook and setting up
> user preferences and I do not know how to go about doing it.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> ---
> Goh, Yong Kwang
> Singapore


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