Could create own buffer extensions to cope with the tab width
setting i.e. mysql.emf. Then in the .sql file you can introduce
the header:-

/* -!- sql tabsize:3; -!- */

... SQL file ....

This sets the tab size in the header and it is adopted for
that buffer only. The problem with setting $tabsize is that
it affects all buffers which is not generally desirable.
You probably want to leave $tabwidth alone as this causes
mis formatting errors in other editors.

If you use the tab key then may be easier to perform
a buffer bind of <tab> and <S-Tab> in the fhook to
map these onto inserting 3 spaces. If you need some
help with this then shout.

Looking at the SQL hook file then it is very basic -
if you are doing a lot of work in SQL then it will
be work adding indentation and comment rules.
(Look at hkemf.emf) for an example.

Regards
Jon.

File mysql.emf
--------------

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;
;  Author        : $Author$
;  Created By    : Jon Green
;  Created       : Mon Sep 16 15:35:26 2002
;  Last Modified : <020916.1539>
;
;  Description
;
;  Notes
;
;  History
;
;  Copyright (c) 2002 Jon Green.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

define-macro my-fhook-sql
     set-variable :tabsize  $tabsize
     set-variable :tabwidth $tabwidth
     ; Search for additional modes in a -!- sql -!-
     ;
     ; -!- tex; fill-column: <digit> -!-
     ;
     ;
     beginning-of-buffer
     !force -20 regex-forward &spr "-[*!]-"
     !if $status
         ; Search for tabsize: <var>;
         !force -1 regex-forward "tabsize[ \t]*:[ \t]*\\([0-9]+\\)[ \t]*[-;]"
         !if $status
             set-variable :tabsize @s1
             beginning-of-line
         !endif
         ; Search for tabwidth: <var>;
         !force -1 regex-forward "tabwidth[ \t]*:[ \t]*\\([0-9]+\\)[ \t]*[-;]"
         !if $status
             set-variable :tabwidth @s1
             beginning-of-line
         !endif
         ; Add any others in here.

         ; Back to the start of the buffer
         beginning-of-buffer
     !endif
!emacro

;
; Buffer hook. Modify the fill mode to left only. This ensures that we
; always fill the line correctly irrespective of the mode of the caller.
; The likes of centre and justified are not warrented in a TeX buffer.
;
0 define-macro my-bhook-sql
     ; Save the other context. Restore local context
     set-variable :otabwidth $tabwidth
     set-variable $tabwidth  :tabwidth
     set-variable :otabsize  $tabsize
     set-variable $tabsize   :tabsize
!emacro
;
0 define-macro my-ehook-sql
     ; Restore existing context
     set-variable :tabwidth $tabwidth
     set-variable $tabwidth :otabwidth
     set-variable :tabsize $tabsize
     set-variable $tabsize :otabsize
!emacro



Rick Owen wrote:
>
> I found some more info in the FAQ on $tabwidth, but even after I set it to 3
it
> gets reset to 4 when I edit a .sql file.  Is there a global place where indent
> mode is modified based on the file type?
>
> Thanks,
> Rick.
>
> --- Rick Owen <rickowen@...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am using me on an hpux.  I use it to edit .SQL files and everything
> > is working great except when I press the tab key I get 4 spaces
> > inserted and I only want three, but I can't determine where that is
> > set.  What I need is some help understanding the variables $tabsize
> > and $tabwidth and where I should set them.  I use the same tab width
> > for all the types of files that I edit and I always want spaces
> > inserted, so I would like to know where to make the change so that it
> > is global for all file types.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rick.
> >
> >
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Jon,

Thanks for the quick response.  I'll have to digest what you sent, but if I
need more help I'll be sure and ask. That's one thing about this list --
questions always gets answered.

Thanks again,
Rick.

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Has any one ever ported the nanoemacs editor to the Gentoo distribution?
http://www.gentoo.org/

Gentoo is a distro that is pure build from source, like BSD systems.

Gentoo's native boot editor is called 'nano', it needs to be small, but to be
blunt it sucks in comparesion to nanoemacs (or any emacs).

I was going to try to make a 'ebuild' script for Gentoo, but I wanted to find
out if any one else had done it before I reinvent the wheel.  If you never
heard of Gentoo, then you have no clue what I'm talking about. :-)

Has any one ported any of the Jasspa code to Gentoo?

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Bob,

	 First that I've heard of Gentoo - certainly not
	 received any correspondence on this distro from
	 anybody. Slackware user myself - simple and
	 clean no frilly X-Window config stuff !

	 Guess the software should build from source.
	 Noted GCC 3.2, I'm not aware that the source
	 has been built on GCC 3.+ yet.

	 Looks like you are on your own - let us know
	 how you get on.

Regards
Jon.

Bob Paddock wrote:
>
> Has any one ever ported the nanoemacs editor to the Gentoo distribution?
> http://www.gentoo.org/
>
> Gentoo is a distro that is pure build from source, like BSD systems.
>
> Gentoo's native boot editor is called 'nano', it needs to be small, but to be
> blunt it sucks in comparesion to nanoemacs (or any emacs).
>
> I was going to try to make a 'ebuild' script for Gentoo, but I wanted to find
> out if any one else had done it before I reinvent the wheel.  If you never
> heard of Gentoo, then you have no clue what I'm talking about. :-)
>
> Has any one ported any of the Jasspa code to Gentoo?
>
> --
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Each time I create a new C program file, it would stick in a huge comment
block for me to fill in name and company and some legal stuff.

What I want is just a plain empty text file to write my code. How do I
disable the auto-template insert?

I read thru the FAQ and it just mentioned about file-hook and setting up
user preferences and I do not know how to go about doing it.

Thanks in advance.



---
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Initially I thought MicroEmacs should be a tiny text editor (a mini-clone of
Emacs) weighing in below 1 MB. But after installing it, it came up to about
6MB huge, not small enough to fit onto a 1.44MB floppy disk. GNU Emacs
itself is about 11MB.

I did not use the InstallShield bundle (jasspame.exe ~3.7MB) and I opted to
download the seperate packages I believe I need.

So the executable image (required) is 528 KB (which is fine), added in the
macro file (required) 1.69MB (too huge!) and I dunno if I really need the
spelling dictionary and I just added them in. The HTML Help files are
optional but I installed them for reference.

btw, I'm just using MicroEmacs as a simple programming editor with
syntax-highlighting for C, Perl and Java. So what is really required or
essential? Can I cut down on some of the macro if I don't use them (syntax
highlighting for some unused programming languages) and how to identify and
cut down on them?

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Create your own template file for 'C' etc. These
files all have the .etf extension. Your files will
be empty if you really have no header at all !!
So the file for 'C' is c.etf. The new files
will typically shaddow the existing files and
are placed in the <user> or <company> directories.

Jon.

Yong Kwang Goh wrote:
>
> Each time I create a new C program file, it would stick in a huge comment
> block for me to fill in name and company and some legal stuff.
>
> What I want is just a plain empty text file to write my code. How do I
> disable the auto-template insert?
>
> I read thru the FAQ and it just mentioned about file-hook and setting up
> user preferences and I do not know how to go about doing it.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> ---
> Goh, Yong Kwang
> Singapore


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Yong Kwang Goh wrote:
>
> Initially I thought MicroEmacs should be a tiny text editor (a mini-clone of
> Emacs) weighing in below 1 MB. But after installing it, it came up to about
> 6MB huge, not small enough to fit onto a 1.44MB floppy disk. GNU Emacs
> itself is about 11MB.

Use 'ne' if you want something tiny - will not
do syntax hilighting - will fit on a floppy.
MicroEmacs is derrived from the original MicroEmacs
hence the name with lots of additions i.e. syntax hilighting
spelling etc. A lot of the functionality is added with
macro files rather than being built into the executable
hence the macro size is fairly large as this is all
interpreted.

The space on disk for me is 4MB of information (including the
help and full macro set and binary) The disk used space will
very much depend upon your disk size and block size.

>
> I did not use the InstallShield bundle (jasspame.exe ~3.7MB) and I opted to
> download the seperate packages I believe I need.
>
> So the executable image (required) is 528 KB (which is fine), added in the
> macro file (required) 1.69MB (too huge!) and I dunno if I really need the
> spelling dictionary and I just added them in. The HTML Help files are
> optional but I installed them for reference.

If you do not need to check spelling then you do not need
the spelling dictionary.

>
> btw, I'm just using MicroEmacs as a simple programming editor with
> syntax-highlighting for C, Perl and Java. So what is really required or
> essential? Can I cut down on some of the macro if I don't use them (syntax
> highlighting for some unused programming languages) and how to identify and
> cut down on them?
>

Are you really so short of disk space ? Disk storage is
so cheap what is 6MB ? This is insignificant to most Windows
Applications. It has been years since I was constrained to
a 120MB disk.

You can remove surplus macro files. You can delete all of
the hook files that you do not need i.e. hkXXX.emf. Delete
me.ehf if you do not want help information. Delete unused
template files *.etf, unused abbreviation files *.eaf etc.
Can delete triangle.emf, vm.emf, metris.emf. Other platform
stuff like linux.emf which is not on your platform.

I would ask the question is it really worth it ?

>
> ---
> Goh, Yong Kwang
> Singapore


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François,

	 Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
	 You do not say what platform you are running
	 on. I assume that it is Windows as you
	 have submitted this E-Mail from Microsoft
	 Outlook.

	 The first question is - have you enabled
	 the French Keyboard from the user setup.
	 From the menu this is:-

		 Help->User Setup->Start-Up

	 Within this dialogue then you need to
	 specify that you are using a French
	 keyboard. Once this is set up then
	 this should invoke the French keyboard
	 settings in keyboard.emf. You can
	 see if this is running by adding
	 a

	 5000 ml-write "Running French Config"

	 into the French keyboard setup i.e.

	 ....
!elif &seq #l0 "Francais"
     !if &seq $platform "win32"
	 5000 ml-write "Running French Config"
         ; Thanks to Meyer Jean-Francois
         translate-key "A-C-4" "{"
	 .....

	 If the print appears then you
	 are running the correct configuration.
	 If you are running with a French Keyboard
	 configuration then we need to establish
	 exactly what you are getting for the
	 key strokes. You message identifies
	 what does and does not work - but it
	 does not indicate what you are getting
	 instead. To do this then we need
	 to look at the key history as follows:-

	 a) Enter the key that does not work.
	 b) C-h v for "list-variables".
	 c) Search for the variable $recent-keys
	    this shows recent key presses and
	    can be used to identify what key
	    sequence is being received.
	 d) Add a new "translate-key" sequence to
	    correct the received key sequence to the
	    required key - add to "keyboard.emf".
	 e) Restart the editor.

	 If you manage to correct all of the keys
	 then please submit the changes so that
	 they can be corrected.

Regards
Jon.


> GUILLET François wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> i have lot of problemes
>
> i have edite keyboard.eml but the change dont work
> i join my keyboard.eml
>
> [  dont work do [ ]    (5b)
>
> ` dont work (ef) make ï
>
> please help me
> your sofware is grate like emacs is greate
> but configuration is hard
>
> bye
> François GUILLET
> email : k.bastet@...
> web : http://k.bastet.free.fr
> tel : 06 08 70 69 38
> fix : 04 67 79 69 68
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Jon,

The syntax highlighting you gave me is working great.  Have you had any more
time to think about indenting, etc?  Did you ever receive the sample files I
sent?

Thanks,
Rick.

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Rick,
	 Sorry, not got back to you - been tied up
	 just lately and have not managed to progress
	 any further.

	 I received your source files and together
	 with the language syntax specification got
	 some idea of the constructs and layout
	 involved. I concluded that the indentation
	 was non-trivial. The main reason is that
	 the indentation needs to be driven by
	 a look-back mechanism - something that
	 the 'indent' command does not cater for.
	 ('C' indentation is built into the editor
	 but does perform look back which is why
	 it can cope with a multitude of complex
	 layouts).

	 I discussed the issue further with Steve
	 and we determined that the limitations of
	 the current mechanism would not be
	 sufficient to get a reliable enough
	 indentation scheme running. The danger is
	 that the indentation would cause the user
	 more frustration than it not being present.
	 We have been mulling over the hilighting
	 and indentation for some time in an
	 attempt to provide a more powerful mechanism
	 that includes context sensitive indentation.
	 We started considering this when Detlef
	 suggested a scheme changing mechanism allowing
	 a jump in hilighting between different
	 languages within the same file. Our goal was
	 to also change the indentation scheme. To do
	 this then the indentation would have to be
	 based on a look-back mechanism. To date
	 we have not managed to come up with a
	 good processor efficient method of performing
	 this look back without impacting on the
	 performance of the editor. Steve did
	 prototype a hilighting method that
	 recorded the current context state in the
	 line nodes (the current thinking is that
	 we need to take the same approach for
	 indentation). The implementation did
	 work, but was computationally very processor
	 intensive especially when moving to the
	 end of the file as the full context of
	 the file has to be computed - this resulted
	 in long pauses as re-computation took place.
	 This was abandoned for a re-think - although
	 in light of the problems you have presented
	 us with then the case is now re-open.

	 That's the history and current status. I do
	 need to do some more work on the template
	 which I will try and complete. I'm abroad
	 for the whole of next week on business so
	 I'll not have time to address this until
	 I get back.

Regards
Jon.


Rick Owen wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> The syntax highlighting you gave me is working great.  Have you had any more
> time to think about indenting, etc?  Did you ever receive the sample files I
> sent?
>
> Thanks,
> Rick.
>
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Hi Jon,

Thanks for the explanation.  I understand what you're saying about the
complexities.  I agree that performance should not be compromised for features.
I'm just happy for the syntax highlighting and the limited indent.

Thanks -- I'll look forward to whatever you send once you're back from
traveling.

Rick.



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Forcing me to explain the situation has just sparked
a new idea for the indentation look back which
should not be so computationally expensive. I should
be able to mock this up in macros to test the concept,
starting with the PL/SQL difficult cases.

So thanks for the prompt !

Jon.

Rick Owen wrote:
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> Thanks for the explanation.  I understand what you're saying about the
> complexities.  I agree that performance should not be compromised for
features.
> I'm just happy for the syntax highlighting and the limited indent.
>
> Thanks -- I'll look forward to whatever you send once you're back from
> traveling.
>
> Rick.
>
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Attached a new template for PL/SQL mode.
Tar bundle created on Sun system - should
be OK for Windows as well. Read the .emf
file header for information on defining
the necessary file hooks.

Template includes:-

	 Abbreviation file (.eaf)
	 New file template (.etf)
	 Buffer help enabled M-h (esc-h)
	 Crude folding - not ideal (f2/f3)
	 Comment formatting on /* ... */ M-o/M-q

Regards
Jon.

Alternatively  set the Insert New  Template  option in  buffer-setup  (Help ->
Buffer Setup) to N(o).

Steve

> Subject: Re: [jasspa] Disabling template text
> From: Jon Green <jnaught@...>
> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:12:17 +0100
> To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
>
> Create your own template file for 'C' etc. These
> files all have the .etf extension. Your files will
> be empty if you really have no header at all !!
> So the file for 'C' is c.etf. The new files
> will typically shaddow the existing files and
> are placed in the <user> or <company> directories.
>
> Jon.
>
> Yong Kwang Goh wrote:
> >
> > Each time I create a new C program file, it would stick in a huge comment
> > block for me to fill in name and company and some legal stuff.
> >
> > What I want is just a plain empty text file to write my code. How do I
> > disable the auto-template insert?
> >
> > I read thru the FAQ and it just mentioned about file-hook and setting up
> > user preferences and I do not know how to go about doing it.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > ---
> > Goh, Yong Kwang
> > Singapore
>
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François,

This is more my area and I've  been on  holiday  for 2 weeks so sorry  for the
even slower  response. The difficulty for us is that unless we sit at a French
machine using a French  keyboard (which we don't have) we cannot  reproduce or
fix the  problem  so we are  totally  reliant on  submissions  from users - so
please continue to send us any fixes you have.

The current French support is actually taken from the Belgium  keyboard so its
not  totally  surprising  that it does not fully  work.  Looking at your first
attempt to fix the problem I think you have been caught out by a nasty Windows
problem.  Logic  dictates  'Press one key, get one key in  $recent-keys' - NOT
TRUE! Look at the original French section in keyboard.emf again:

         translate-key "A-C-] A-C-[" "["

translates 2 keys into one and this is a common  source of problem for foreign
keyboards  on Windows (you may be thinking  'how come I don't get these issues
with other  editors?' - the answer is simple, either they are more mature like
Emacs or they don't support such an extensive  control key re-binding (such as
the ability to rebind Alt-space etc)).

The  best  way to show  this is to type  the  following  keys in ME  (with  no
translations - please comment them all out first!):

     A
     A
     [
     B
     B
     C-h v    (list variables)

Then look at the value of $recent-keys, on my machine I get:

     $recent-keys .................. "v C-h B B [ A A .....

(Note the order of the keys is reversed!), but on a Belgium (and may be French)
machine without any correction you will get:

     $recent-keys .................. "v C-h B B A-C-[ A-C-] A A .....

Once you master this method of getting the key  sequence it is usually  pretty
easy to get the whole  keyboard  mapped - BUT please  remove ALL your  current
key-translations  and start again as a bad  translation  will lead to problems
and lots of  confusion!  For instance in you last email you had the  following
translation:

         translate-key "A-C-[" "]"

with this translation consider above key sequence, $recent-keys will show:

     $recent-keys .................. "v C-h B B ] A-C-] A A .....

As the  translation  happens  first - get these wrong and weird  things  start
happening.  In your  mail you  state  that:

      ']' -> ']'
      '[' -> '[]'

I would  therefore  guess that you really need  something  like the  following
translations:

         translate-key "A-C-] A-C-[" "]"
         translate-key "A-C-[ [" "["

This looks weird but does  explain the  behaviour.  Good luck and again please
send us any fixes you have,

Steve


> Subject: Re: [jasspa] KeyBoard Problemes ( Syntaxe error but everything dont
work
>  )
> From: Jon Green <jon@...>
> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:56:41 +0100
> To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
>
> François,
>
>  Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
>  You do not say what platform you are running
>  on. I assume that it is Windows as you
>  have submitted this E-Mail from Microsoft
>  Outlook.
>
>  The first question is - have you enabled
>  the French Keyboard from the user setup.
>  From the menu this is:-
>
>   Help->User Setup->Start-Up
>
>  Within this dialogue then you need to
>  specify that you are using a French
>  keyboard. Once this is set up then
>  this should invoke the French keyboard
>  settings in keyboard.emf. You can
>  see if this is running by adding
>  a
>
>  5000 ml-write "Running French Config"
>
>  into the French keyboard setup i.e.
>
>  ....
> !elif &seq #l0 "Francais"
>     !if &seq $platform "win32"
>  5000 ml-write "Running French Config"
>         ; Thanks to Meyer Jean-Francois
>         translate-key "A-C-4" "{"
>  .....
>
>  If the print appears then you
>  are running the correct configuration.
>  If you are running with a French Keyboard
>  configuration then we need to establish
>  exactly what you are getting for the
>  key strokes. You message identifies
>  what does and does not work - but it
>  does not indicate what you are getting
>  instead. To do this then we need
>  to look at the key history as follows:-
>
>  a) Enter the key that does not work.
>  b) C-h v for "list-variables".
>  c) Search for the variable $recent-keys
>     this shows recent key presses and
>     can be used to identify what key
>     sequence is being received.
>  d) Add a new "translate-key" sequence to
>     correct the received key sequence to the
>     required key - add to "keyboard.emf".
>  e) Restart the editor.
>
>  If you manage to correct all of the keys
>  then please submit the changes so that
>  they can be corrected.
>
> Regards
> Jon.
>
>
> > GUILLET François wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > i have lot of problemes
> >
> > i have edite keyboard.eml but the change dont work
> > i join my keyboard.eml
> >
> > [  dont work do [ ]    (5b)
> >
> > ` dont work (ef) make ï
> >
> > please help me
> > your sofware is grate like emacs is greate
> > but configuration is hard
> >
> > bye
> > François GUILLET
> > email : k.bastet@...
> > web : http://k.bastet.free.fr
> > tel : 06 08 70 69 38
> > fix : 04 67 79 69 68
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(One for the suggestion box?)

Often I do query-replace-string, and screw it up and hit undo, and do
it again, fine-tuning my search or replacement string.  To make this
quicker, ME remembers my search string each time and offers it as the
default.  It would be nice if the replacement string worked the same
way.

Example:

Query-replace: foo
Replace [foo] with: bar

(oops, that wasn't what I wanted, ^G, undo, and try again)

Query-replace (default [foo]): baz  <--- it remembered "foo"
Replace [baz] with: <--- but it doesn't remember "bar"

Yes, I know, I can hit ^P a couple of times and get to it...
but why should I have to?  I don't have to with the search string.
(Yes, I'm a lazy programmer.  Programmers are lazy; that's why they
like to write programs.)

Thanks

-Th

The previous value is not the default because you may wish to replace "foo" with
"" (the empty string). If a history value is suggested then an empty value
cannot be given easily (try changing "foo" to "" - it can be done but its
obscure) which means that as not having "bar" as the history verses a novice
user not being able to enter "" - I think the choice is frustratingly simple -
sorry Thomas!

Perhaps there should be a config option?

Steve

PS I use C-up instead of ^p, you may find this easy to hit.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Hundt [mailto:thundt@...]
> Sent: 11 October 2002 02:21
> To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [jasspa] Suggestion: Query-replace-string should remember
> default replacement string
>
>
> (One for the suggestion box?)
>
> Often I do query-replace-string, and screw it up and hit undo, and do
> it again, fine-tuning my search or replacement string.  To make this
> quicker, ME remembers my search string each time and offers it as the
> default.  It would be nice if the replacement string worked the same
> way.
>
> Example:
>
> Query-replace: foo
> Replace [foo] with: bar
>
> (oops, that wasn't what I wanted, ^G, undo, and try again)
>
> Query-replace (default [foo]): baz  <--- it remembered "foo"
> Replace [baz] with: <--- but it doesn't remember "bar"
>
> Yes, I know, I can hit ^P a couple of times and get to it...
> but why should I have to?  I don't have to with the search string.
> (Yes, I'm a lazy programmer.  Programmers are lazy; that's why they
> like to write programs.)
>
> Thanks
>
> -Th
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I Just wanted to share a macro that I wrote.  I work with a lot of enums in
C/C++ and I hate when my fellow developers don't align all the equal signs("=")
in the enumeration.  So I wrote this little macro to do it for me.  To use it,
adjust the first = to the proper column and run the macro.  It stops if it
attempts to delete characters other then spaces.  Please let me know what you
think and any way to improve it.  Like possibly aligning tables or more then one
character on each line...

Dan


define-macro align-enums
     set-variable .TheChar @wc
     set-variable .TheColumn $window-acol

*nextline
     forward-line

     !if &or &xsequal @wl "^[ \t]*$" &xsequal @wl "^[ \t]*//.*$"
         !goto nextline
     !endif

     !if ¬ &xsequal @wl &cat &cat ".*" .TheChar ".*"
         !goto finish
     !endif

     beginning-of-line
     !while ¬ &sin @wc .TheChar
         forward-char
     !done

     !if &equal .TheColumn $window-acol
         !goto nextline
     !endif

     !if &less $window-acol .TheColumn
         !while &less $window-acol .TheColumn
             insert-space
         !done
         !goto nextline
     !endif

     !if &great $window-acol .TheColumn
         !while &great $window-acol .TheColumn
             backward-char
             !if ¬ &seq @wc " "
                 !bell
                 !abort
             !endif
             1 forward-delete-char
         !done
         !goto nextline
     !endif

*finish
     ml-write "Finished"
     !return

!emacro

I was experiencing the following problem with the 'vm' read mail
command in Jasspa:  All the messages in my mailbox appeared (in
Jasspa) to be one long message.  It was not finding the "From" lines
that separate mail messages in Unix mail.  Today I finally had enough
and figured out the problem.

Versions: MicroEmacs 02 (date 02/01/01 which is 1/1/2002) and probably
several versions prior to that.  (It's never really worked for me.)

Platforms: RedHat Linux 7.2 and OpenBSD 3.1.

Fix:

The problem is the format of the From line, on my systems it looks
like this:
     From foo123@...  Wed Nov 13 15:15:04 2002
     From thundt  Wed Nov 13 12:21:24 2002

Note the TWO spaces after the username.

The search strings in vm.emf look like this (wrapped by Yahoo):

force search-forward "^from [!-z]* [MTWFS][ouehra][neduitn]
[JFMAJSOND][aepuico][nbrynlgptvc] +[0-9]+
[0-2][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]"

Note that after the [!-z]* there is ONE space.  Aha!  Needs a plus sign.

In my version, I actually "centralized" this a bit and made it one
string at line 1356 (right after "define-macro vm"):

set-variable %vm-sep-string "^from [!-z]* +[MTWFS][ouehra][neduitn]
[JFMAJSOND][aepuico][nbrynlgptvc] +[0-9]+
[0-2][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]:[0-5][0-9] [0-9]+"

and then replaced all the "^from..." search strings with
%vm-sep-string. (I think lines 69, 602, 613 -- your lines may vary
slightly due to comments.)

Note that in my version, I also added a "[0-9]+" at the end to match
the year.  Just for fun.

At line 443 there is a different version of this string, it uses \(
and \) to pull out the values.  You have to add the '+' there, too.
(Whoever did this one was too lazy to put in the exact characters for
month names etc. like the above one.  Oh, well.)

!force -1 search-forward "^[Ff]rom [!-z]* +\\([MTWFS]..\\)
\\([JFMAJSOND]..\\) +\\([0-9]+\\)
+\\([0-2][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]\\) \\([0-9]+\\)"


-Tom Hundt

This line which appears at the beginning of many XML files causes ME
to indent whatever follows, as if it were an "opening" tag.  (It's a
"processing instruction" line. I've only seen this one but there could
be more.)  Trouble is, it's not an "open" tag, there is never a
closing tag for it, so it should not really indent:
     <?xml version="1.0"?>
       something-else
       the-whole-rest-of-the-file-is-indented

I wanted to disable this behavior, and found the solution by changing
this line in hkxml.emf:

     indent .hilight.xml n "<[^/!]" 2   ; line 78
to
     indent .hilight.xml n "<[^/!?]" 2   ; add '?' to exclusion regexp

And actually I put this in my myxml.emf file, in order to leave the
hkxml.emf in its original state:
     ; Replace entire indentation scheme (in hkxml.emf) with mine
     0 indent .hilight.xml 1 20
     indent .hilight.xml e "\"" "\"" "\\"
     indent .hilight.xml b "<!--" "-->"
     indent .hilight.xml n "<[^/!?]" 2   ; different!
     indent .hilight.xml o "</"    -2
     indent .hilight.xml o "/>"    -2

-Tom Hundt

Thanks Tom,

	 Picked up your changed and will drop it into the next
	 release. Hopefully will be pushing out some source
	 (not binaries) tonight.
Jon.

Thomas Hundt wrote:
>
> This line which appears at the beginning of many XML files causes ME
> to indent whatever follows, as if it were an "opening" tag.  (It's a
> "processing instruction" line. I've only seen this one but there could
> be more.)  Trouble is, it's not an "open" tag, there is never a
> closing tag for it, so it should not really indent:
>     <?xml version="1.0"?>
>       something-else
>       the-whole-rest-of-the-file-is-indented
>
> I wanted to disable this behavior, and found the solution by changing
> this line in hkxml.emf:
>
>     indent .hilight.xml n "<[^/!]" 2   ; line 78
> to
>     indent .hilight.xml n "<[^/!?]" 2   ; add '?' to exclusion regexp
>
> And actually I put this in my myxml.emf file, in order to leave the
> hkxml.emf in its original state:
>     ; Replace entire indentation scheme (in hkxml.emf) with mine
>     0 indent .hilight.xml 1 20
>     indent .hilight.xml e "\"" "\"" "\\"
>     indent .hilight.xml b "<!--" "-->"
>     indent .hilight.xml n "<[^/!?]" 2   ; different!
>     indent .hilight.xml o "</"    -2
>     indent .hilight.xml o "/>"    -2
>
> -Tom Hundt
>
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Thanks Dan,

	 Sorry for the delay. This has been re-bundled as a
	 contribution (sub22.txt). I think this is a good
	 candidate to roll into the standard c/c++ macros in
	 the future.

Regards
Jon.

Dan Perry wrote:
>
> I Just wanted to share a macro that I wrote.  I work with a lot of enums in
C/C++ and I hate when my fellow developers don't align all the equal signs("=")
in the enumeration.  So I wrote this little macro to do it for me.  To use it,
adjust the first = to the proper column and run the macro.  It stops if it
attempts to delete characters other then spaces.  Please let me know what you
think and any way to improve it.  Like possibly aligning tables or more then one
character on each line...
>
> Dan
>
> define-macro align-enums
>     set-variable .TheChar @wc
>     set-variable .TheColumn $window-acol
>
> *nextline
>     forward-line
>
>     !if &or &xsequal @wl "^[ \t]*$" &xsequal @wl "^[ \t]*//.*$"
>         !goto nextline
>     !endif
>
>     !if ¬ &xsequal @wl &cat &cat ".*" .TheChar ".*"
>         !goto finish
>     !endif
>
>     beginning-of-line
>     !while ¬ &sin @wc .TheChar
>         forward-char
>     !done
>
>     !if &equal .TheColumn $window-acol
>         !goto nextline
>     !endif
>
>     !if &less $window-acol .TheColumn
>         !while &less $window-acol .TheColumn
>             insert-space
>         !done
>         !goto nextline
>     !endif
>
>     !if &great $window-acol .TheColumn
>         !while &great $window-acol .TheColumn
>             backward-char
>             !if ¬ &seq @wc " "
>                 !bell
>                 !abort
>             !endif
>             1 forward-delete-char
>         !done
>         !goto nextline
>     !endif
>
> *finish
>     ml-write "Finished"
>     !return
>
> !emacro
>
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Thanks,

	 Change rolled into next release.

Regards
Jon.

Thomas Hundt wrote:
>
> I was experiencing the following problem with the 'vm' read mail
> command in Jasspa:  All the messages in my mailbox appeared (in
> Jasspa) to be one long message.  It was not finding the "From" lines
> that separate mail messages in Unix mail.  Today I finally had enough
> and figured out the problem.
>
> Versions: MicroEmacs 02 (date 02/01/01 which is 1/1/2002) and probably
> several versions prior to that.  (It's never really worked for me.)
>
> Platforms: RedHat Linux 7.2 and OpenBSD 3.1.
>
> Fix:
>
> The problem is the format of the From line, on my systems it looks
> like this:
>     From foo123@...  Wed Nov 13 15:15:04 2002
>     From thundt  Wed Nov 13 12:21:24 2002
>
> Note the TWO spaces after the username.
>
> The search strings in vm.emf look like this (wrapped by Yahoo):
>
> force search-forward "^from [!-z]* [MTWFS][ouehra][neduitn]
> [JFMAJSOND][aepuico][nbrynlgptvc] +[0-9]+
> [0-2][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]"
>
> Note that after the [!-z]* there is ONE space.  Aha!  Needs a plus sign.
>
> In my version, I actually "centralized" this a bit and made it one
> string at line 1356 (right after "define-macro vm"):
>
> set-variable %vm-sep-string "^from [!-z]* +[MTWFS][ouehra][neduitn]
> [JFMAJSOND][aepuico][nbrynlgptvc] +[0-9]+
> [0-2][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]:[0-5][0-9] [0-9]+"
>
> and then replaced all the "^from..." search strings with
> %vm-sep-string. (I think lines 69, 602, 613 -- your lines may vary
> slightly due to comments.)
>
> Note that in my version, I also added a "[0-9]+" at the end to match
> the year.  Just for fun.
>
> At line 443 there is a different version of this string, it uses \(
> and \) to pull out the values.  You have to add the '+' there, too.
> (Whoever did this one was too lazy to put in the exact characters for
> month names etc. like the above one.  Oh, well.)
>
> !force -1 search-forward "^[Ff]rom [!-z]* +\\([MTWFS]..\\)
> \\([JFMAJSOND]..\\) +\\([0-9]+\\)
> +\\([0-2][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]:[0-5][0-9]\\) \\([0-9]+\\)"
>
> -Tom Hundt
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The December 2002 release of JASSPA's MicroEmacs has now
been posted to http://www.jasspa.com. The source and
a limited number of binaries are available. The information
pages have not been updated yet with the change details.
These will get filled in over the course of the next
few days as I collate all of the information together.

If there are any problems with the HTML pages or
release then please drop me a line directly (off group).

Regards
Jon.

Jon,

When will there be binaries for hpux?  I use me every day on an hpux system,
but I have no access to compilers or such -- it's a production machine and my
account doesn't allow development.

Thanks,
Rick.

--- Jon Green <jon@...> wrote:
> The December 2002 release of JASSPA's MicroEmacs has now
> been posted to http://www.jasspa.com. The source and
> a limited number of binaries are available. The information
> pages have not been updated yet with the change details.
> These will get filled in over the course of the next
> few days as I collate all of the information together.
>
> If there are any problems with the HTML pages or
> release then please drop me a line directly (off group).
>
> Regards
> Jon.
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Rick,
	 I do not have access to HPUX at my end (although
	 that may change soon). Steve may be able to build an
	 image which I can upload onto the site.
	 What version of HPUX do you need ?

Regards
Jon.

Rick Owen wrote:
> Jon,
>
> When will there be binaries for hpux?  I use me every day on an hpux system,
> but I have no access to compilers or such -- it's a production machine and my
> account doesn't allow development.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick.
>
> --- Jon Green <jon@...> wrote:
>
>>The December 2002 release of JASSPA's MicroEmacs has now
>>been posted to http://www.jasspa.com. The source and
>>a limited number of binaries are available. The information
>>pages have not been updated yet with the change details.
>>These will get filled in over the course of the next
>>few days as I collate all of the information together.
>>
>>If there are any problems with the HTML pages or
>>release then please drop me a line directly (off group).
>>
>>Regards
>>Jon.
>>
>
>
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Hi Jon,

uname -a returns:

HP-UX gabriel B.11.00 U 9000/800 610339363 unlimited-user license

and I think the "B.11.00 U" is the current version and release level of the OS.

Thanks,
Rick.

--- Jon Green <jon@...> wrote:
> Rick,
>  I do not have access to HPUX at my end (although
>  that may change soon). Steve may be able to build an
>  image which I can upload onto the site.
>  What version of HPUX do you need ?
>
> Regards
> Jon.
>
> Rick Owen wrote:
> > Jon,
> >
> > When will there be binaries for hpux?  I use me every day on an hpux
> system,
> > but I have no access to compilers or such -- it's a production machine and
> my
> > account doesn't allow development.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rick.
> >
> > --- Jon Green <jon@...> wrote:
> >
> >>The December 2002 release of JASSPA's MicroEmacs has now
> >>been posted to http://www.jasspa.com. The source and
> >>a limited number of binaries are available. The information
> >>pages have not been updated yet with the change details.
> >>These will get filled in over the course of the next
> >>few days as I collate all of the information together.
> >>
> >>If there are any problems with the HTML pages or
> >>release then please drop me a line directly (off group).
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Jon.
> >>
> >
> >
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