1st February 2004.

Keeping  you up to date  with  the 2004  release.  We  originally
stated that the next  release  would be  available  at the end of
January.  This has not  happened  and we are  planning on pushing
another Release Candidate (RC4) the reasons are described below.

The  following  issues were  discussed  at some length as RC3 was
solid  enough  to  release,  however  if the  problems  were  not
addressed we would be forced to make another  release in the near
future. From our perspective another quick release is undesirable
because of the amount of work that it entails.

The amount of work to correct  these issues has been  significant
hence the preference to push RC4 to allow us to correct any minor
issues that may arise before wrapping the final release.

Jon.

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Following  an internal  review of RC3 then it has been decided to
address the issues of user configuration prior to a full release.
This  specifically  addresses  the  location  of user  MicroEmacs
configuration  directories  and search paths. User  configuration
has  traditionally  required the setting of external  environment
variables  such as  $MEPATH  and for the user to create a private
directory to store user  settings. This is proving  difficult for
new  users who just want to run the  editor.  RC4 and  subsequent
releases will address these  problems by determining  the correct
location for configuration files and create the appropriate files
and directories under user control.

The net result of these  changes  should  significantly  simplify
installation and setup as follows:

* All platforms will be able to run without any manual user setup
    or  the   requirement  for  specific   MicroEmacs   environment
    variables.

* User  defined  directories  and  configuration  files  will  be
    created under editor control on detecting a new user.

* Existing   installations   using   $MEPATH  will  be  backwards
    compatible  with the new build, although users are  discouraged
    from continuing to use this variable.

* All  platforms  now  support a searching  jasspa  sub-directory
    structure   of   company  /   spelling   /  macros.   This  was
    traditionally   limited   to   the   Windows   Install   Shield
    installation but has been extended across all platforms.

* Two new  environment  variables are provided for user or system
    administrator use.  $MEINSTALLPATH  defines the location of the
    MicroEmacs  standard macros and allows the built in search path
    to be overridden.  $MEUSERPATH defines the location of the user
    private  configuration  directory and allows the user to locate
    their  private  directory in different  location. In a standard
    install neither of these variables will be required.

* The Microsoft  Windows system defined  application path will be
    used  for user  configuration  files.  This is  applicable  for
    roaming  users where the  application  directory is stored on a
    server.

* The use of the me32.ini file on MicroSoft Windows  environments
    will become depreciated and is no longer really required.

* The UNIX path searching is improved. /usr/local/microemacs will
    be depreciated and replaced with  /usr/local/jasspa in addition
    other  standard path  locations are supported on a per-platform
    basis.

* On UNIX then the directory $HOME/.jasspa shall contain the user
    configuration files. Optionally the company / spelling / macros
    sub-directories  may be included in this directory where access
    to the system directory locations by the user is not permitted.

Hello,
I am just writing some javascript inside xml-files . I am
programming html-components for Mozilla and IE. I observed
that the javascript support inside html-files is more advanced via
htmlcore.emf there seems to be also some support for indenting. Is it
possible to add this also to the xml mode. Be aware that
xml-javascript in hkxml.emf uses still thae old java setting. There
is also a coding style which does not end javascript statements with
semikolons this breaks in the moment the indentation. May be there is
a workaround for fixing this.

A header for the xml is here!
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<public:component xmlns:public="urn:HTMLComponent" lightweight="true">
   <public:attach event="onclick" onevent="sortTable()" />
   <public:attach event="onload" for="window" handler="init"/> -->
   <script type="text/javascript">
     //<![CDATA[
var allNums = false;        // boolean variable to see if whole column is
numeric
var allDates = false;        // boolean variable to see if column vals are all
dates
var lastSort = -1;                // variable to hold last column number sorted
var absOrder = true;        // boolean to sort in reverse if on same column

regards,
Detlef

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Email: dgroth@...
Email: dgroth@...

Hi all. I have downloaded unix fonts from
http://www.tomasek.cz/semtel/download/fonts.zip, and I can't get them
to work in ME. I can get them to work on other programs (such as
notepad) but not on ME.

I have got 6x13 from somewhere else working, but that is too small for
1280x960 (shame, it's my favourite programming font).

I can choose the fonts from the list, but I cannot use them (it goes
back to some other default font).

Any hints or have I hit a bug?

Thanks

Gabriel

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first last wrote:

> Hi all. I have downloaded unix fonts from
> http://www.tomasek.cz/semtel/download/fonts.zip, and I can't get them
> to work in ME. I can get them to work on other programs (such as
> notepad) but not on ME.
>
> I have got 6x13 from somewhere else working, but that is too small for
> 1280x960 (shame, it's my favourite programming font).
>
> I can choose the fonts from the list, but I cannot use them (it goes
> back to some other default font).
>
> Any hints or have I hit a bug?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gabriel

Works OK for me ?

Install the fonts into Windows using:-

Start->settings->control panel->Fonts
File->Install ....

Once installed then select from
user-setup. No problem !

The other reason may be is that
you do not have a user profile and
have no where to save the information.
Are you a "guest" user in user-setup ?
If so it has no where to save your settings.
If this is the case you will be wanting RC4
2004 when it is available. You need to set
yourself up as a user if this is the problem.

Jon.

I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts from the
fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
"user-setup/platform/choose font.

The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
(current) after saving it it goes back to some other font (normally
courier new).

I have tried everything (changing the script, font size...) and I still
can't get it right. I just tried with Putty and it works perfectly
there.

I have tried with 02-02 and 04-01RC3 (the latest?).

The only font that works is 6x13 that I got from somewhere else. All
the settings are saved OK, so it isn't lack of a profile either.

Changing subject, is there any tutorial for ME macros? After trying
Eclipse I think that a context-completion option, show profile (as in
classes/functions/etc) and integrating a parser (IE. PHP for most of my
work) are a necessity (not really, but they tempt me away from ME, that
is, until I get sick of the system being too clever for its own good
and slow).

Thanks for the answer

Gabriel


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I'm not certain how to say this, but on Monday cowgar.com was
successfully broken into by a hacker who subsequently gained root access
to the server that hosted microemacs.cowgar.com (the MicroEmacs wiki).
The result was removal of most websites on the server, and also of mysql
data (MicroEmacs wiki).

I did not keep my own backups and relyed upon the web host to do this,
only to find out that they keep 1 day backups and the problem was not
found in time to stop the backup of no data.

The MicroEmacs wiki is a total loss. I have no code and no data
associated with it. Needless to say, we have brought a new server up
except this time under our complete control at a local location. Much
security has went into it, as well as a cycle of 6 backup tapes, but
that does not change the fact that all the work that went into the Wiki
is lost.

I am very sorry to report this and am also embarrassed that such a thing
happened with no recourse on my part. Until we figure out what to do, I
would remove the link on the main site to the wiki so that it does not
look like a downed, unsupported site and reflect badly on MicroEmacs.

Last night I just got mail back up and running last night and the new
server is progressing, but slowly due to the much security that I am
learning in the process.

Please accept my apology.

Jeremy Cowgar

Gabriel wrote:
  > I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts from the
  > fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
  > "user-setup/platform/choose font.
  >
  > The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
  > (current) after saving it it goes back to some other font (normally
  > courier new).

I can't get it to work, either -- running  04/01/01 under Win2kSP3.

When I select a font using the User Setup panel, it briefly uses it and
resizes the window, and then flips back.  When I go into User Setup
again, the font info is there.

However, I *can* change fonts using a routine I had written long ago
called cycle-font. (This depends on a %os variable being set, so I'm
including that bit, too.)


;------------------------------------------------------------
; Determine platform
;------------------------------------------------------------
!if &seq $platform "win32"
      set-variable %os "mswin"
!else
      !if &seq $platform "dos"
          set-variable %os "msdos"
      !else
          set-variable %os "unix"
          set-variable %os &cond &band $mouse 0x10 "xwin" "unix"
;         set-variable %os &cond &band $system 0x01 "unix" "xwin"
      !endif
!endif



;------------------------------------------------------------
; cycle-font: cycles through font sizes
;------------------------------------------------------------
define-macro cycle-font
      ;-----
      ; Windows fonts
      ;-----
      !if &seq %os "mswin"
          ; change-font "name" charSet weight width height
          set-variable %font-number &mod &add %font-number 1 7
          !if &equ %font-number 1
              1 change-font "Fixedsys" 1 0 0 15
              ml-write "[font Fixedsys]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 2
              1 change-font "Lucida Console" 1 0 0 12
              ml-write "[font Lucida Console 12]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 3
              1 change-font "Lucida Console" 1 0 0 11
              ml-write "[font Lucida Console 11]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 4
              1 change-font "vt100" 1 0 0 16
              ml-write "[font vt100 16]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 5
              1 change-font "vt100" 1 0 0 8
              ml-write "[font vt100 8]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 6
              1 change-font "vt100" 1 0 0 12
              ml-write "[font vt100 12]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 7
              1 change-font "Lucida Console" 1 0 0 15
              ml-write "[font Lucida Console 15]"
          !else
              1 change-font "8x13" 1 0 8 13  ; default font (see: cycle-font)
              ml-write "[font 8x13]"
          !endif
      !elif &seq %os "xwin"
          ;-----
          ; X Window fonts
          ;-----
          ; fonts left out: 5x7,
          set-variable %font-number &mod &add %font-number 1 6
          !if &equ %font-number 1
              1 change-font "6x10"
              ml-write "[font 6x10]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 2
              1 change-font "fixed"
              ml-write "[font fixed]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 3
              1 change-font "9x15"
              ml-write "[font 9x15]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 4
              ; TODO: fix this, it doesn't work right at the office :-(
              ;          1 change-font "-b&h-*-bold-r-*-*-14-*-72-72-m-*-*-*"
              ;          ml-write "[font
-b&h-*-bold-r-*-*-14-*-72-72-m-*-*-*]"
              1 change-font
"-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-*-*"
              ml-write "[font
-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-*-*]"
          !elif &equ %font-number 5
              1 change-font "10x20"
              ml-write "[font 10x20]"
          !else ; default: %font-number=0
              !force 1 change-font "8x13"
              ml-write "[font 8x13]"
          !endif
      !else
          ml-write "[No fonts available for this platform]"
      !endif  ; xwin

!emacro
global-bind-key cycle-font S-f3






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Hello Jeremy,

that's really a pitty and a reason more for me to stay at my `one file
= one wiki' approach with tclkits wikit. A backup ist just copying of
that one file to a trusted floppy.

regards,
Detlef


--- In jasspa@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Cowgar <jc@c...> wrote:
> I'm not certain how to say this, but on Monday cowgar.com was
> successfully broken into by a hacker who subsequently gained root
access
> to the server that hosted microemacs.cowgar.com (the MicroEmacs
wiki).
> The result was removal of most websites on the server, and also of
mysql
> data (MicroEmacs wiki).
>
> I did not keep my own backups and relyed upon the web host to do
this,
> only to find out that they keep 1 day backups and the problem was
not
> found in time to stop the backup of no data.
>
> The MicroEmacs wiki is a total loss. I have no code and no data
> associated with it. Needless to say, we have brought a new server up
> except this time under our complete control at a local location.
Much
> security has went into it, as well as a cycle of 6 backup tapes, but
> that does not change the fact that all the work that went into the
Wiki
> is lost.
>
> I am very sorry to report this and am also embarrassed that such a
thing
> happened with no recourse on my part. Until we figure out what to
do, I
> would remove the link on the main site to the wiki so that it does
not
> look like a downed, unsupported site and reflect badly on
MicroEmacs.
>
> Last night I just got mail back up and running last night and the
new
> server is progressing, but slowly due to the much security that I am
> learning in the process.
>
> Please accept my apology.
>
> Jeremy Cowgar

Dr. Detlef Groth (dgroth@...) wrote:
>
> Hello Jeremy,
>
> that's really a pitty and a reason more for me to stay at my `one file
> = one wiki' approach with tclkits wikit. A backup ist just copying of
> that one file to a trusted floppy.

Well, it's actually as simple as doing something like ssh user@host -c
"mysqldump microemacs" > microemacs.sql however, I thought all that was being
done for me.

Further investigation into the problem yeilded that we could have saved our
data with no problems, but our web provider (leased server) would not do
anything out of the ordinary. When they have a hack attempt, they reinstall.
They would not put a disk in and copy our /var/mysql/data directory off. It
really upset me and we are no longer hosting a server with them over this, and
their ellusive "We maintain all backups" section.

Regardless, I am sorry for the time that you all put into the wiki and the
result.

Jeremy

RC4 is now available from www.jasspa.com.

http://www.jasspa.com/down0401.html

Thomas Hundt wrote:
> Gabriel wrote:
>  > I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts from the
>  > fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
>  > "user-setup/platform/choose font.
>  >
>  > The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
>  > (current) after saving it it goes back to some other font (normally
>  > courier new).
>
> I can't get it to work, either -- running  04/01/01 under Win2kSP3.
>
> When I select a font using the User Setup panel, it briefly uses it and
> resizes the window, and then flips back.  When I go into User Setup
> again, the font info is there.
>
> However, I *can* change fonts using a routine I had written long ago
> called cycle-font. (This depends on a %os variable being set, so I'm
> including that bit, too.)

Wish you had mentioned this before could have investigated it.

Try RC4 which is now available. Suggest that you do not inherit your
registry file (erf) if you upgrade - start with a clean install
check that it is working and then move some of your personal
environment to the newer release.

I would hope that this will resolve your problems.

Regards
Jon.

> RC4 is now available from www.jasspa.com.
>
> http://www.jasspa.com/down0401.html

Thanks for the new release.
Just a quick note, the 'build' file is missing from the
jasspa-mesrc-20040206.tar.gz archive.

Regards,
Ferenc Deak

Deak Ferenc wrote:
>>RC4 is now available from www.jasspa.com.
>>
>>http://www.jasspa.com/down0401.html
>
>
> Thanks for the new release.
> Just a quick note, the 'build' file is missing from the
jasspa-mesrc-20040206.tar.gz archive.
>
> Regards,
> Ferenc Deak
>

Thanks, Yes I have fixed this - you must have turned up 'early'.
Sorry about that, it is fixed now - attached just in case
anybody missed it.

Jon.

#!/bin/sh
# JASSPA MicroEmacs - www.jasspa.com
# build - JASSPA MicroEmacs build shell script for unix platforms
# Copyright (C) 2001-2004 JASSPA (www.jasspa.com)
# See the file main.c for copying and conditions.
OPTIONS=
LOGFILE=
LOGFILEA=
MAINTYPE=me
METYPE=
MEDEBUG=
MAKEFILE=
MAKECDEFS=

while [ ".$1" != "." ]
do
     if [ $1 = "-h" ] ; then
         echo "usage: build [options]"
         echo ""
         echo "Where options can be:-"
         echo "   -C   : Build clean."
         echo "   -d   : For debug build (output is med)."
         echo "   -h   : For this help page."
         echo "   -l <logfile>"
         echo "        : Set the compile log file"
         echo "   -la <logfile>"
         echo "        : Append the compile log to the given file"
         echo "   -m <makefile>"
         echo "        : Sets the makefile to use where <makefile> can be"
         echo "            aix43.mak, freebsd.mak, freebsd.gmk etc."
         echo "   -ne  : for NanoEmacs build (output is ne)."
         echo "   -p <search-path>"
         echo "        : Sets the default system search path to <search-path>,"
         echo "          default is "'"'"/usr/local/microemacs"'"'
         echo "   -S   : Build clean spotless."
         echo "   -t <type>"
         echo "        : Sets build type:"
         echo "             c  Console support only (Termcap)"
         echo "             w  Wondow support only (XTerm)"
         echo "             cw Console and window support (default)"
         echo ""
         exit 1
     elif [ $1 = "-C" ] ; then
         OPTIONS=clean
     elif [ $1 = "-d" ] ; then
         MEDEBUG=d
     elif [ $1 = "-l" ] ; then
         shift
         LOGFILE="$1"
     elif [ $1 = "-la" ] ; then
         shift
         LOGFILEA="$1"
     elif [ $1 = "-m" ] ; then
         shift
         MAKEFILE=$1
     elif [ $1 = "-ne" ] ; then
         MAINTYPE=ne
     elif [ $1 = "-p" ] ; then
         shift
         MAKECDEFS="-D_SEARCH_PATH=\\"'"'"$1\\"'"'
     elif [ $1 = "-S" ] ; then
         OPTIONS=spotless
     elif [ $1 = "-t" ] ; then
         shift
         METYPE=$1
     else
         echo "Error: Unkown option $1, run build -h for help"
         echo ""
         exit 1
     fi
     shift
done

if [ ".$MAKEFILE" = "." ] ; then

     PLATFORM=`uname`

     if   [ $PLATFORM = "AIX" ] ; then
         MAKEBAS=aix43
     elif [ `echo $PLATFORM | sed -e "s/^CYGWIN.*/CYGWIN/"` = "CYGWIN" ] ; then
         MAKEBAS=cygwin
         # Check for an X11 install.
         if [ "$OPTIONS" = "" ] ; then
             if [ ! -f /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.a ] ; then
                 echo "No X-11 support found, forcing terminal only."
                 METYPE=c
             else
                 echo "Found version of X11 installed"
             fi
             sleep 5
         fi
     elif [ $PLATFORM = "FreeBSD" ] ; then
         MAKEBAS=freebsd
     elif [ $PLATFORM = "HP-UX" ] ; then
         VERSION=`uname -r | cut -f 2 -d .`
         if [ $VERSION = 11 ] ; then
             MAKEBAS=hpux11
         elif [ $VERSION = 10 ] ; then
             MAKEBAS=hpux10
         else
             MAKEBAS=hpux9
         fi
     elif [ `echo $PLATFORM | sed -e "s/^IRIX.*/IRIX/"` = "IRIX" ] ; then
         VERSION=`uname -r | cut -f 1 -d .`
         if [ $VERSION = 5 ] ; then
             MAKEBAS=irix5
         else
             MAKEBAS=irix6
         fi
     elif [ $PLATFORM = "Linux" ] ; then
         MACHINE=`uname -m | cut -c 1-3`
         if [ $MACHINE = "arm" ] ; then
             MAKEBAS=zaurus
         else
             MAKEBAS=linux2
         fi
     elif [ $PLATFORM = "OpenBSD" ] ; then
          MAKEBAS=openbsd
     elif [ $PLATFORM = "OSF1" ] ; then
          MAKEBAS=osf1
     elif [ $PLATFORM = "SunOS" ] ; then
         # Test for x86 version of Solaris
         VERSION=`uname -p`
         if [ $VERSION = "i386" ] ; then
             MAKEBAS=sunosx86
         else
             # Must be Sparc Solaris
             VERSION=`uname -r | cut -b 1-3`
             if [ $VERSION = 5.5 ] ; then
                 MAKEBAS=sunos55
             else
                 MAKEBAS=sunos56
             fi
         fi
     else
         echo "Error: Unrecognized platform - $PLATFORM"
         exit 1
     fi

     # use cc by default if available
     if [ -r $MAKEBAS.mak ] ; then
         # try to detect cc, if found use it in preference
         if [ "`type cc | cut -b 1-5`" = "cc is" ] ; then
             MAKEFILE=$MAKEBAS.mak
         fi
         # Special rules for sun, if cc is /usr/ucb then this is a dummy.
         if [ $PLATFORM = "SunOS" ] ; then
             if [ `which cc` = "/usr/ucb/cc" ] ; then
                 MAKEFILE=
             fi
         fi
     fi
     if [ ".$MAKEFILE" = "." ] ; then
         # failed to find cc, try gcc
         if [ -r $MAKEBAS.gmk ] ; then
             # try to detect gcc, if found use it in preference
             if [ "`type gcc | cut -b 1-6`" = "gcc is" ] ; then
                 MAKEFILE=$MAKEBAS.gmk
             fi
         fi
     fi
     if [ ".$MAKEFILE" = "." ] ; then
         echo "Error: Failed to find a compiler (cc or gcc) fix PATH or use -m
option"
         exit 1
     fi
fi

if [ ".$MAKECDEFS" != "." ] ; then
     MAKECDEFS="MAKECDEFS=$MAKECDEFS"
fi
if [ ".$OPTIONS" = "." ] ; then
     OPTIONS="$MAINTYPE$MEDEBUG$METYPE"
fi
if [ -r $MAKEFILE ] ; then
     if [ ".$LOGFILE" != "." ] ; then
         echo "make -f $MAKEFILE $OPTIONS $MAKECDEFS" > $LOGFILE 2>&1
         make -f $MAKEFILE $OPTIONS $MAKECDEFS > $LOGFILE 2>&1
     else
         if [ ".$LOGFILEA" != "." ] ; then
             echo "make -f $MAKEFILE $OPTIONS $MAKECDEFS" >> $LOGFILEA 2>&1
             make -f $MAKEFILE $OPTIONS $MAKECDEFS >> $LOGFILEA 2>&1
         else
             echo "make -f $MAKEFILE $OPTIONS $MAKECDEFS"
             make -f $MAKEFILE $OPTIONS $MAKECDEFS
         fi
     fi
else
     echo "Error: Failed to find the makefile $MAKEBAS.$MAKEEXT"
fi

What's this new function "frame-handle" suddenly bound to C-x 5?
(Not in help.)  I'm sure it's something super-exciting... ;-)

-Th


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Thomas Hundt wrote:
> What's this new function "frame-handle" suddenly bound to C-x 5?
> (Not in help.)  I'm sure it's something super-exciting... ;-)
>
> -Th
>
>
Opps, drop off on my behalf, not documented.

C-x 5 0 delete-frame
C-x 5 1 create-frame (internal)
C-x 5 2 create-frame (external)
C-x 5 o next-frame

C-x 3 is now the window split.

By the way are your fonts working now you
are running RC4 ?

Jon.

RC4 issues.

I've just discovered that the Sun Solaris (sparc) 5.6
image does not run correctly under Solaris 9 (and I assume 8).
There is a problem with the X-Windows cut and paste
across different X-Windows - in every other respect it
is operating correctly.

A Solaris 8 image has been built and packaged
which resolves the problems noted under Solaris 8/9.

Jon.

I am afraid the fonts still don't work, I still get exactly the same
behaviour :(

  --- Jon Green <jon@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Thomas Hundt wrote:
> What's this new function "frame-handle" suddenly bound to C-x 5?
> (Not in help.)  I'm sure it's something super-exciting... ;-)
>
> -Th
>
>
Opps, drop off on my behalf, not documented.

C-x 5 0 delete-frame
C-x 5 1 create-frame (internal)
C-x 5 2 create-frame (external)
C-x 5 o next-frame

C-x 3 is now the window split.

By the way are your fonts working now you
are running RC4 ?

Jon.



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I would like to replace a text string with another inside the entire
directory.  ME should recursse into all sub-directories and find all
*.[hHcC]* files and carry out the replacement.

There is the command replace-all-string, but I don't want to manually
enter a list of all the files in which the replacement should occur.

I could use the find command but then I need a way to carry out the
repalcement using the command line.  I tried something like this on
one file but it didn't work.

me "@replace-all-string" ContentStream Stream opCurveY.cpp

Can someone please help me

Salman

salmankhilji wrote:
> I would like to replace a text string with another inside the entire
> directory.  ME should recursse into all sub-directories and find all
> *.[hHcC]* files and carry out the replacement.
>
> There is the command replace-all-string, but I don't want to manually
> enter a list of all the files in which the replacement should occur.
>
> I could use the find command but then I need a way to carry out the
> repalcement using the command line.  I tried something like this on
> one file but it didn't work.
>
> me "@replace-all-string" ContentStream Stream opCurveY.cpp
>
> Can someone please help me
>
> Salman
>
>

Well running on UNIX then you can do the following

(query-)replace-all-string
Replace all: AAA
Replace [AAA] with: BBB
In Files: *.cpp */*.cpp */*/*.cpp */*/*/*.cpp

Add as many stars as you need levels.

If you are running on Windows then this will depend what
kind of grep you have and how it behaves with '*'s

Must admit would be nicer with find, but does the job.

Jon.

There are two other solutions to solving this problem and which one to use
depends on the scale of the replacing:

1) For a small number of replacements I tend to use the rgrep (recursive grep)
command to find all the strings to be replaced in all the directory-tree. This
command is available on windows as long as you make cygwin's 'find' first in
the path (see help page). I then create a simple key-board macro which
typically uses the get-next-line and '-1 replace-string ...' commands to do
the actual replacement. This is a very quick and easy solution.

2) I once decided that in a large library (thousands of lines of code split
across many directories) that its definition and use of int32 was not a good
idea (caused compile error on AIX) so should be changed to xxInt, float32 ->
xxFloat, same for int8, float64 and then theres all the functions that have
types in their name etc etc. I ended up with a list of 100+ changes to be
made - rather a large headache.

It was for this reason I created the replace-all-pair command. I started by
concentrating on the first compiled directory and created a list of
replacement pairs which up-graded that directory AND made sure that that
directory still worked/compiled. I then moved onto the next, used
replace-all-pair on the existing list and then added to the list any other
changes need for that directory. And then I moved onto the next and the next.

The process did not take long and once complete I had a complete list of all
the changes made in a form that meant I could easily upgrade all programs that
used the library (using replace-all-pair obviously). Again this approach is
also available on windows and only requires access to a reasonable grep
command, see help page on the command. One further tip, when adding to the
replacement list I used the Edit -> Narrow To feature to exclude replacement
pairs that had already been applied to avoid re-applying them as this could
lead to unwanted side effects. If you use this approach please backup your
files first as changes tend to be permanent!

Steve

> Subject: [jasspa] Search and Replace in all files
> From: Jon Green <jon@...>
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 7:59:09 PM
> To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
> salmankhilji wrote:
>> I would like to replace a text string with another inside the entire
>> directory.  ME should recursse into all sub-directories and find all
>> *.[hHcC]* files and carry out the replacement.
>>
>> There is the command replace-all-string, but I don't want to manually
>> enter a list of all the files in which the replacement should occur.
>>
>> I could use the find command but then I need a way to carry out the
>> repalcement using the command line.  I tried something like this on
>> one file but it didn't work.
>>
>> me "@replace-all-string" ContentStream Stream opCurveY.cpp
>>
>> Can someone please help me
>>
>> Salman
>>
>>

> Well running on UNIX then you can do the following

> (query-)replace-all-string
> Replace all: AAA
> Replace [AAA] with: BBB
> In Files: *.cpp */*.cpp */*/*.cpp */*/*/*.cpp

> Add as many stars as you need levels.

> If you are running on Windows then this will depend what
> kind of grep you have and how it behaves with '*'s

> Must admit would be nicer with find, but does the job.

> Jon.





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Greetings,

I am creating a new language mode for Erlang (http://www.erlang.org)
and I am having a bit of troubles with the indentation. Here are a
few examples of simple things (to get an idea for the indentation).

(I added the prefixing '.' characters for space indents).

say_hello() -> io:format("Hello, World!\n");
say_hello(Name) ->
....io:format("Hello, ~w\n", [Name]),
....io:format("How are you doing?\n", []).

That was easy and is fully functional. Here's one area I am having a
problem with though:

say_bye() ->
....case to_who() of
........person ->
............io:format("Bye Person");
........Other ->
............io:format("Bye Other")
....end.

The above example is correct but I cannot make it work like this.

First, the io:format("Bye Other") does not contain any special
character on the end of it to indicate an outdent, but it should be
outdented -4.

Second, the "end."... the "end" part should indicate outdent this
line -4, but then the "." on the end of the "end." line should
indicate outdent the next line -4. So, it's like a multipart end.
Now, I did make this part work ("end.") by matching "end." and
outdenting it -8, but that was confusing to read because it aligned
with the person, Other selection not the "case" in which it end's.

For the indent engine, this is what I currently have. If anyone
could be of assistance with this I would greatly appriciate it.

!if &sin "d" .fhook-erlang.setup
     ; define indentation scheme
     0 indent .hilight.erlang 0 10

     indent .hilight.erlang n "->"      4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "case"      4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "\\."    -4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "end."   -8
     indent .hilight.erlang o "end"    -4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "[;.]"      -4
     indent .hilight.erlang b "(" ")"

     indent .hilight.erlang i "fun.*end"

     indent .hilight.erlang i "%"
!endif

P.S. please respond to the list as I do not yet have email back up
and working after the hack to my main server.

Jeremy

Ok, I figured some things out after playing for a while, but I am
still having just 1 problem. Here's the code block:

say_bye() ->
....case what_name(fun () -> 0 end) of
........person ->
............io:format("Sorry to see you leaving\n", []),
............io:format("Bye Person\n");
........Other ->
............io:format("Bye Other\n")
....end.

Ok, that's formatted properly, and it was done totally by
MicroEmacs! Yippie! Here is the indent section that makes that all
work:

!if &sin "d" .fhook-erlang.setup
     ; define indentation scheme
     0 indent .hilight.erlang 0 10

     ;indent .hilight.erlang b "(" ")"
     indent .hilight.erlang b "{" "}"
     indent .hilight.erlang b "\\[" "\\]"

     indent .hilight.erlang n "->"         4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "of"         4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "receive"    4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "if"         4
     indent .hilight.erlang o "end"       -4
     indent .hilight.erlang s "after"     -4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "[^;,.>]$"  -4
     indent .hilight.erlang n "[;.]$"     -4

     indent .hilight.erlang i "%"
!endif

You will notice that my line:

indent .hilight.erlang b "(" ")"

is commented out. If I uncomment that line, then my indenting on the
line:

io:format("Bye Other\n")

fails to work and

end.

is indented another 4 spaces which should not be. I do not
understand why uncommenting the highlighting of the "(" ")" braces
affects this. I did discover, however, that if I were to end that
block with something like:

........Other ->
............io:format("Bye Other\n"),
............byebye
....end.

then it works properly *with* the brace highlighting enabled. So, it
has something to do with the braces on that particular line. This is
very important, because although this example has the () braces in
it, many times you will have both [...] and {...} as the only
portions on the line, such as:

........Other ->
............{bad_request, "This function did not work"}
....end.

the above is perfectly valid and used extensively.

Thank you for any help you may be,

Jeremy

cp200205 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am creating a new language mode for Erlang (http://www.erlang.org)
> and I am having a bit of troubles with the indentation. Here are a
> few examples of simple things (to get an idea for the indentation).
>
> (I added the prefixing '.' characters for space indents).
>
> say_hello() -> io:format("Hello, World!\n");
> say_hello(Name) ->
> ....io:format("Hello, ~w\n", [Name]),
> ....io:format("How are you doing?\n", []).
>
> That was easy and is fully functional. Here's one area I am having a
> problem with though:
>
> say_bye() ->
> ....case to_who() of
> ........person ->
> ............io:format("Bye Person");
> ........Other ->
> ............io:format("Bye Other")
> ....end.
>
> The above example is correct but I cannot make it work like this.
>
> First, the io:format("Bye Other") does not contain any special
> character on the end of it to indicate an outdent, but it should be
> outdented -4.
>
> Second, the "end."... the "end" part should indicate outdent this
> line -4, but then the "." on the end of the "end." line should
> indicate outdent the next line -4. So, it's like a multipart end.
> Now, I did make this part work ("end.") by matching "end." and
> outdenting it -8, but that was confusing to read because it aligned
> with the person, Other selection not the "case" in which it end's.
>
> For the indent engine, this is what I currently have. If anyone
> could be of assistance with this I would greatly appriciate it.
>
> !if &sin "d" .fhook-erlang.setup
>     ; define indentation scheme
>     0 indent .hilight.erlang 0 10
>
>     indent .hilight.erlang n "->"      4
>     indent .hilight.erlang n "case"      4
>     indent .hilight.erlang n "\\."    -4
>     indent .hilight.erlang n "end."   -8
>     indent .hilight.erlang o "end"    -4
>     indent .hilight.erlang n "[;.]"      -4
>     indent .hilight.erlang b "(" ")"
>
>     indent .hilight.erlang i "fun.*end"
>
>     indent .hilight.erlang i "%"
> !endif
>
> P.S. please respond to the list as I do not yet have email back up
> and working after the hack to my main server.
>
> Jeremy
>
>

      0 indent .hilight.erl 0 10

      indent .hilight.erl n "->"      4
      indent .hilight.erl n "case"      4
      indent .hilight.erl o "end"    -4
      indent .hilight.erl n "[;\\.][ \t]*$"    -4
      indent .hilight.erl n ")[ \t]*$"  -4
;    indent .hilight.erl b "(" ")"
      indent .hilight.erl i "fun.*end"

      indent .hilight.erl i "%"

By loosing the "b" on () token then it seems to work
better and use the fact that the a ) at the end of
a line causes an indent. Then the ends are the
same and the '.' also moves back an indent.

There are problems with the bracket when
you define a bracket then you cannot cause
an indent on the bracket token. This is
a bit of a shame it would be nice to
be able to define the bracket and still
have the indent detect that a )$ causes
an indent. The "end." works nicely as
the end causes the current line to be
indented by -4 and then . indents
the next by -4.

Jon.

--- In jasspa@yahoogroups.com, Jon Green <jon@j...> wrote:

> By loosing the "b" on () token then it seems to work
> better and use the fact that the a ) at the end of
> a line causes an indent. Then the ends are the
> same and the '.' also moves back an indent.
>
> There are problems with the bracket when
> you define a bracket then you cannot cause
> an indent on the bracket token. This is
> a bit of a shame it would be nice to
> be able to define the bracket and still
> have the indent detect that a )$ causes
> an indent.

Please see my previous message that I posted in response to my own,
but let me ask... is there no way around the b (), {}, [] problem?
If no, then this means that auto indentation in this language would
be almost useless. For instance, if I were to do:

say_hi(Name) ->
....io:format("This is a very long hello message, Hello ~w\n",
..............[Name]).

I could do this manually, but anytime TAB'n through, or Restyling
the buffer, this would happen:

say_hi(Name) ->
....io:io:format("This is a very long hello message, Hello ~w\n",
....[Name]).

which would make things a bit hard to read.

Thanks for your input, and any input you may have on this matter.

Jeremy

The really efficient way involves Perl, and no Jasspa at all.

'find' calling Perl (this is all one line), replace "Galations" with
"Galatians":
      find ./ -type f -name '*.htm*' -exec perl -pi -e
's/Galations/Galatians/g' {} \;

Pure Perl solution, search and replace <strong> with <b> in all *.html
files (saves original files as *.html.bak):
      perl -pi.bak -e 's/strong>/b>/gi;' *.html

Perl runs well under Windows, so you could use it even if you don't have
'find' nor Cygwin installed.

-Th



Steven Phillips wrote:

> There are two other solutions to solving this problem and which one to use
> depends on the scale of the replacing:
>
> 1) For a small number of replacements I tend to use the rgrep (recursive grep)
> command to find all the strings to be replaced in all the directory-tree. This
> command is available on windows as long as you make cygwin's 'find' first in
> the path (see help page). I then create a simple key-board macro which
> typically uses the get-next-line and '-1 replace-string ...' commands to do
> the actual replacement. This is a very quick and easy solution.
>
> 2) I once decided that in a large library (thousands of lines of code split
> across many directories) that its definition and use of int32 was not a good
> idea (caused compile error on AIX) so should be changed to xxInt, float32 ->
> xxFloat, same for int8, float64 and then theres all the functions that have
> types in their name etc etc. I ended up with a list of 100+ changes to be
> made - rather a large headache.
>
> It was for this reason I created the replace-all-pair command. I started by
> concentrating on the first compiled directory and created a list of
> replacement pairs which up-graded that directory AND made sure that that
> directory still worked/compiled. I then moved onto the next, used
> replace-all-pair on the existing list and then added to the list any other
> changes need for that directory. And then I moved onto the next and the next.
>
> The process did not take long and once complete I had a complete list of all
> the changes made in a form that meant I could easily upgrade all programs that
> used the library (using replace-all-pair obviously). Again this approach is
> also available on windows and only requires access to a reasonable grep
> command, see help page on the command. One further tip, when adding to the
> replacement list I used the Edit -> Narrow To feature to exclude replacement
> pairs that had already been applied to avoid re-applying them as this could
> lead to unwanted side effects. If you use this approach please backup your
> files first as changes tend to be permanent!
>
> Steve
>
>
>>Subject: [jasspa] Search and Replace in all files
>>From: Jon Green <jon@...>
>>Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 7:59:09 PM
>>To: jasspa@yahoogroups.com
>>salmankhilji wrote:
>>
>>>I would like to replace a text string with another inside the entire
>>>directory.  ME should recursse into all sub-directories and find all
>>>*.[hHcC]* files and carry out the replacement.
>>>
>>>There is the command replace-all-string, but I don't want to manually
>>>enter a list of all the files in which the replacement should occur.
>>>
>>>I could use the find command but then I need a way to carry out the
>>>repalcement using the command line.  I tried something like this on
>>>one file but it didn't work.
>>>
>>>me "@replace-all-string" ContentStream Stream opCurveY.cpp
>>>
>>>Can someone please help me
>>>
>>>Salman
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>Well running on UNIX then you can do the following
>
>
>>(query-)replace-all-string
>>Replace all: AAA
>>Replace [AAA] with: BBB
>>In Files: *.cpp */*.cpp */*/*.cpp */*/*/*.cpp
>
>
>>Add as many stars as you need levels.
>
>
>>If you are running on Windows then this will depend what
>>kind of grep you have and how it behaves with '*'s
>
>
>>Must admit would be nicer with find, but does the job.
>
>
>>Jon.


--
Thomas Hundt

Thomas Hundt wrote:

> Gabriel wrote:
>  > I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts from the
>  > fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
>  > "user-setup/platform/choose font.
>  >
>  > The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
>  > (current) after saving it it goes back to some other font (normally
>  > courier new).
>
> I can't get it to work, either -- running  04/01/01 under Win2kSP3.
>
> When I select a font using the User Setup panel, it briefly uses it and
> resizes the window, and then flips back.  When I go into User Setup
> again, the font info is there.
>
> However, I *can* change fonts using a routine I had written long ago
> called cycle-font. (This depends on a %os variable being set, so I'm
> including that bit, too.)
>

Bad font people on Win32 can you confirm the following please:-

If you look in win32.emf then you see where windows restores
the font settings. I assume that the settings have been saved
when you exit the registry.  At line 33 add the following:-

!if &band $system 0x01
      ; using a console interface
      10000 ml-write "Got here"
!else
	 ...

If this shows up when you start then your $system setting
is incorrect in the registry. The problem bit is bit 1 -
this should not be set in your registry file.

Regards
Jon.

I don't get the message -- but then, my font selection is working at the
moment.

-Th



Jon Green wrote:

> Thomas Hundt wrote:
>
>
>>Gabriel wrote:
>> > I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts from the
>> > fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
>> > "user-setup/platform/choose font.
>> >
>> > The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
>> > (current) after saving it it goes back to some other font (normally
>> > courier new).
>>
>>I can't get it to work, either -- running  04/01/01 under Win2kSP3.
>>
>>When I select a font using the User Setup panel, it briefly uses it and
>>resizes the window, and then flips back.  When I go into User Setup
>>again, the font info is there.
>>
>>However, I *can* change fonts using a routine I had written long ago
>>called cycle-font. (This depends on a %os variable being set, so I'm
>>including that bit, too.)
>>
>
>
> Bad font people on Win32 can you confirm the following please:-
>
> If you look in win32.emf then you see where windows restores
> the font settings. I assume that the settings have been saved
> when you exit the registry.  At line 33 add the following:-
>
> !if &band $system 0x01
>      ; using a console interface
>      10000 ml-write "Got here"
> !else
>  ...
>
> If this shows up when you start then your $system setting
> is incorrect in the registry. The problem bit is bit 1 -
> this should not be set in your registry file.
>
> Regards
> Jon.

--
Thomas Hundt <tom@...> +1-415-867-6698

I don't get the message either. Still not working.

Will try at home (Win 98.2000) when I get a chance to download ME
(still on modem).

Gabriel
  --- Jon Green <jnaught@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Thomas Hundt wrote:

> Gabriel wrote:
>  > I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts
from the
>  > fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
>  > "user-setup/platform/choose font.
>  >
>  > The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
>  > (current) after saving it it goes back to some other font
(normally
>  > courier new).
>
> I can't get it to work, either -- running  04/01/01 under Win2kSP3.
>
> When I select a font using the User Setup panel, it briefly uses it
and
> resizes the window, and then flips back.  When I go into User Setup
> again, the font info is there.
>
> However, I *can* change fonts using a routine I had written long ago
> called cycle-font. (This depends on a %os variable being set, so I'm
> including that bit, too.)
>

Bad font people on Win32 can you confirm the following please:-

If you look in win32.emf then you see where windows restores
the font settings. I assume that the settings have been saved
when you exit the registry.  At line 33 add the following:-

!if &band $system 0x01
      ; using a console interface
      10000 ml-write "Got here"
!else
       ...

If this shows up when you start then your $system setting
is incorrect in the registry. The problem bit is bit 1 -
this should not be set in your registry file.

Regards
Jon.



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After I wrote to you I went to a cmd window and it appears that there
are many fonts called 7x14 in there (in the fonts folder they don't
appear with that name), maybe that is messing up ME?

Gabriel
  --- Jon Green <jnaught@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Thomas Hundt wrote:

> Gabriel wrote:
>  > I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts
from the
>  > fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
>  > "user-setup/platform/choose font.
>  >
>  > The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
>  > (current) after saving it it goes back to some other font
(normally
>  > courier new).
>
> I can't get it to work, either -- running  04/01/01 under Win2kSP3.
>
> When I select a font using the User Setup panel, it briefly uses it
and
> resizes the window, and then flips back.  When I go into User Setup
> again, the font info is there.
>
> However, I *can* change fonts using a routine I had written long ago
> called cycle-font. (This depends on a %os variable being set, so I'm
> including that bit, too.)
>

Bad font people on Win32 can you confirm the following please:-

If you look in win32.emf then you see where windows restores
the font settings. I assume that the settings have been saved
when you exit the registry.  At line 33 add the following:-

!if &band $system 0x01
      ; using a console interface
      10000 ml-write "Got here"
!else
       ...

If this shows up when you start then your $system setting
is incorrect in the registry. The problem bit is bit 1 -
this should not be set in your registry file.

Regards
Jon.



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After deleting the font (Outline 2000 it is called in the fonts folder)
ME still doesn't work with the font.

Maybe the font I am using has something wrong and it doesn't show up in
anything but ME? The rest of the fonts from different sources seem to
work alright.

Does anyone have a copy of 7x14 from a different source that the one I
posted? If you could send me that one I could try it.

Gabriel
  --- Jon Green <jnaught@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Thomas Hundt wrote:

> Gabriel wrote:
>  > I am using XP (unluckily, I can't choose). I install the fonts
from the
>  > fonts settings in the start menu and then go to
>  > "user-setup/platform/choose font.
>  >
>  > The fonts are there, the preview works, but as soon as I apply it
>  > (current) after saving it it goes back to some other font
(normally
>  > courier new).
>
> I can't get it to work, either -- running  04/01/01 under Win2kSP3.
>
> When I select a font using the User Setup panel, it briefly uses it
and
> resizes the window, and then flips back.  When I go into User Setup
> again, the font info is there.
>
> However, I *can* change fonts using a routine I had written long ago
> called cycle-font. (This depends on a %os variable being set, so I'm
> including that bit, too.)
>

Bad font people on Win32 can you confirm the following please:-

If you look in win32.emf then you see where windows restores
the font settings. I assume that the settings have been saved
when you exit the registry.  At line 33 add the following:-

!if &band $system 0x01
      ; using a console interface
      10000 ml-write "Got here"
!else
       ...

If this shows up when you start then your $system setting
is incorrect in the registry. The problem bit is bit 1 -
this should not be set in your registry file.

Regards
Jon.



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