Hello everyone, This list hasn't had any activity since 2005. I'm not really sure why, but I think it's a combination of the emergence of Struts 2 (from ...
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James Holmes
jholmes612
Jul 5, 2007 6:21 pm
I'm all for it. Do you have any specific topics in mind? James...
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Patrick Lightbody
plightbo
Jul 5, 2007 6:25 pm
I'd really like to hear from anyone using GWT. Similarly, I've been slowly moving away from action-based or "component based" solutions, and instead doing more...
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Ted Husted
thusted
Jul 5, 2007 6:49 pm
Me too, except with the Yahoo User Interface Library. At work, we just shipped a modest, data-centric intranet application that used no server pages at all....
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steven citron-pousty
thesteve0
Jul 5, 2007 6:56 pm
I had some thoughts along this line the other day when thinking about picking up Seam and looked at GWT. Using GWT or YUI mean that I am basically doing...
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Eelco Hillenius
eelco_hillenius
Jul 5, 2007 6:58 pm
... I believe for any discussion here to be fruitful, we need to set some concrete goals. An example of a goal that should be relatively easy to achieve is to ...
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jacob hookom
hookomjj
Jul 5, 2007 7:06 pm
Honestly, we're doing some of the same-- but we struggle with the whole iceberg domain model which falls apart in the case of simply marshalling state around,...
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Eelco Hillenius
eelco_hillenius
Jul 5, 2007 7:13 pm
... Haven't used it, but I've heard from many people who did. For about half it worked great, the other half found it the Ajax only, applet-like model didn't...
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Eelco Hillenius
eelco_hillenius
Jul 5, 2007 7:16 pm
... /s/somewhere at the bottom/would be one of the worst choices for me Eelco...
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Alexandru Popescu ...
alexpopescu7...
Jul 6, 2007 12:28 am
... This means that you don't have to deal with accessibility standards, cause otherwise I cannot see how this would work. ./alex -- .w( the_mindstorm )p....
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Alexandru Popescu ...
alexpopescu7...
Jul 6, 2007 12:33 am
... I have taken a quick look... so probably I shouldn't be answering here ... python, groovy and even (j)ruby (and hoping to get to haskell). So, I will...
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Eelco Hillenius
eelco_hillenius
Jul 6, 2007 5:33 am
... Two really nice things about Scala - at least imho - it is statically typed and runs it in a JVM (you can directly use any Java class you like directly in...
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Eelco Hillenius
eelco_hillenius
Jul 6, 2007 5:42 am
... Are you sure you want to directly use servlets? I'd pick DWR in that case as then you can program with objects rather than string meshing. ... Clean...
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Travis Reeder
prophecy_ca
Jul 6, 2007 6:00 am
Hi all, Thanks for sparking new life into the list Kito. In response to Patrick, we (www.middlepost.com) launched a private beta of our application a few weeks...
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Ted Husted
thusted
Jul 6, 2007 3:35 pm
... The enabling technology is something like DWR, which simplifies remoting. Libraries like GWT, or YUI, or Dojo, can be used to create the frontend (and...
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jacob hookom
hookomjj
Jul 6, 2007 3:40 pm
Travis, Did you struggle at all with GWT's practice of separate client objects vs. domain models? In our business, we have a very large, interrelated domain...
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jacob hookom
hookomjj
Jul 6, 2007 3:42 pm
Ted, have you played around with Sun's Phobos project at all? https://phobos.dev.java.net/ ... From: Ted Husted <husted@...> To:...
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Ted Husted
thusted
Jul 6, 2007 4:01 pm
In my experience, using plain old JavaScript, CSS, and HTML doesn't preclude stacking up frameworks. Instead of Struts or JSF or Wicket, we use Dojo or YUI or...
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Ted Husted
thusted
Jul 6, 2007 9:41 pm
... Struts 2, Tapestry, and Wicket all use OGNL or an OGNL-derivative, but the development state of OGNL is unclear. Perhaps we could talk about working...
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Geert Bevin
gbevin
Jul 6, 2007 9:47 pm
I think that this is already underway with MVEL. ... -- Geert Bevin Terracotta - http://www.terracotta.org Uwyn "Use what you need" - http://uwyn.com RIFE Java...
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Eelco Hillenius
eelco_hillenius
Jul 6, 2007 10:06 pm
... Well, Wicket actually doesn't use OGNL anymore since quite a while. Wicket does not evaluate expressions in templates, but it has a special flavor of...
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Kito D. Mann
kmann9999
Jul 6, 2007 10:49 pm
Scala, eh? Interesting. I've definitely been meaning to play with some other languages, but I haven't gotten my feet wet enough with Groovy or (J)Ruby. So far,...
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Kito D. Mann
kmann9999
Jul 6, 2007 10:51 pm
... If the key is server-side DOM, then things like ICEfaces look fine to me. ICEfaces takes JSF components, renders them to a server-side DOM, and then ...
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Kito D. Mann
kmann9999
Jul 6, 2007 10:55 pm
... Well, although this list was originally setup for "alignment", the purpose can change. If people are still interested in such a thing (and I still am, to...
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Niall Pemberton
niallp1603
Jul 7, 2007 12:15 am
... IMO it would be good to move to the Unified EL as an OGNL replacement - since its a standard and now independant of the Servlet Spec. Niall...
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Niall Pemberton
niallp1603
Jul 7, 2007 12:25 am
... P.S. Trawling the web a while back it seems that the unfied EL is unified in more than one way - I started at Tomcat's EL impl which had hints back at...
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jacob hookom
hookomjj
Jul 7, 2007 1:58 am
There's still room for improvement in implementation, but I've heard no one really complain about the EL *API* other than myself. I also worked on extending...
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Geert Bevin
gbevin
Jul 7, 2007 7:06 am
Hehe, been doing similar things with RESTful services on the server either spitting out JSON or XML. Last project I did I used Ext JS (http://extjs.com/) which...
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Ted Husted
thusted
Jul 8, 2007 3:23 pm
... You know, once upon a time, there was a project called WAFER with the goal of comparing web frameworks by implementing a common application. Having a...
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Martijn Dashorst
martijn_dash...
Jul 8, 2007 3:52 pm
... I like the idea and have gone ahead and tried to register a petstore project on SourceForge. If it gets accepted, I'll grant anyone access to the repo to...
