PERTH, AUSTRALIA – February 28, 2002 -- Information Engineering Services Pty Ltd (IES) today released Issue No. 18 of "The Enterprise Newsletter" (TEN),...
Clive Finkelstein
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Mar 2, 2002 5:15 am
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I just received this email from Microsoft, I presume it does NOT apply to VEA, the ORM deep modeling tool. Right Terry? ... Welcome to this month's edition of...
geverest@...
Mar 6, 2002 7:10 am
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Yes, this does NOT apply to Visio for Enterprise Architects, so don't try to install this SR1 over the top of VEA. Any SR1 for VEA (not yet announced) will...
Terry Halpin
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Mar 6, 2002 4:37 pm
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I am confused about the version of Visio that I need to use ORM. Would someone mind providing a quick sketch of the versions and what capabilities they...
Randolph S. Kahle
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Mar 7, 2002 6:26 pm
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Here is quick: - only these will get you the deep ORM modeling tool Visio 5.0 EE - a separate install. Separate program on the start menu, Icon is a brown VM...
geverest@...
Mar 7, 2002 8:21 pm
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Charles; You will need Visio Studio .NET VSEA edition. That is the only version that holds the full ORM soluion. Pat ... From: "Randolph S. Kahle"...
... Well, unless you have deep pockets and can afford Visual Studio Enterprise Architect (~$2k US) then Visio Modeler 3.1 unsupported freeware is the only good...
Darryl L. Rowe
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Mar 8, 2002 12:18 am
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Charles, To expand on Gordon's comments, if you want to create ORM models, generate database schemas and DDL from them, and reverse engineer existing database...
Terry Halpin
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Mar 8, 2002 1:46 am
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Any chance of VisioModeler 3.1 Going Open source? :-) Giles ... From: Terry Halpin [mailto:TerryHa@...] Sent: 07 March 2002 20:50 To:...
Giles Collingwood
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Mar 8, 2002 9:05 am
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I'm VERY interested in exploring this possibility as well. If anyone has anything out there to share....? Micro$oft's new licensing rip-off has COMPLETELY...
Hello Scot (and everyone): Thanks for buying my book. Hooray; that's another two bucks for me! A few other comments about your post number 1057, and comments...
Joe, I am doing this with the electricity going on/off. The storm has caused some trouble out here. The answers are a little broken up as thoughts went by: ...
Again as a lurker rather than a practitioner, I need some help from the 'knowledgeable'. As I reviewed Joe Maguire's post something flashed out at me again....
Paula Thornton
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Mar 11, 2002 2:33 pm
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I can only speak for ORM, as LDS is new to me. From my perspective ORM, by definition, focuses on the relationships (called facts), or more precisely, on the...
David Cuyler said: "each object is only relevant in terms of the roles it plays" A role is quite different from a relationship. For example, in the statement ...
Paula Thornton
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Mar 11, 2002 3:49 pm
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Paula, Just to make sure about objects. OO objects are not ORM objects. In OO an object has attributes. Take a simple sentence (fact) Person has Last Name In...
To wit, the following are facts with objects: Person leases Car Person owns Car Person lives at Address during Period Person smokes Where the words in capitals...
Lance Delano
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Mar 12, 2002 1:47 am
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When I said 'object' it was in the generic sense, like entity. Thanks for clarifying the 'attribute' concept. That was helpful....
Paula Thornton
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Mar 12, 2002 2:27 am
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Lance offered great examples: Person leases Car Person owns Car Person lives at Address during Period Person smokes How are the rules/attributes that define...
Paula Thornton
paula.thornton@...
Mar 12, 2002 2:31 am
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In the example: Person leases Car And Person owns Car There are two relationships (or facts) between Person and Car. They are two separate facts. The way they...
Lance Delano
lanced@...
Mar 12, 2002 2:58 am
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Lance offered: Person leases Car And Person owns Car I'm looking to support: relationship between Person and car can be "A with X conditions" "B with Y...
Paula Thornton
paula.thornton@...
Mar 12, 2002 3:06 am
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Paula, ORM is not limited to binary (2 object) sentences. There is also the concept or generalization and specialization. Specialization: Person leases Car,...
The LDS/ORM discussion has been by far the most lively I've seen here and many great points have come up. Before I put in my $.02, let me confess that I have...
... leases, owns -- based on N conditions/combinations of people/car attributes and rules. An example would be helpful. Lance...
Lance Delano
lanced@...
Mar 12, 2002 3:34 pm
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Lance said: An example would be helpful. That WAS the example....
Paula Thornton
paula.thornton@...
Mar 12, 2002 3:43 pm
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I am guessing Lance was looking for something like a populated fact like: Person 'John Doe' has relationship 'owns' with Car 'NM876DHZ' This assumes that 1. a...
... OK. In the previous example I gave, I pointed out that a Person could only own said car if they weren't also leasing it. That's an exclusion constraint or...
Lance Delano
lanced@...
Mar 12, 2002 4:22 pm
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Guys...we're talking conceptual designs. Conceptual designs don't care about that level of detail....
Paula Thornton
paula.thornton@...
Mar 12, 2002 4:25 pm
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Paula, << Guys...we're talking conceptual designs. Conceptual designs don't care about that level of detail. >> Pardon me for coming into the middle of this...
Hi, I am relatively new to ORM and would like some help modeling discreet results. By that, I mean any question or topic that is to be answered from a possible...
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