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47	I've been rereading some of these old messages and thinking about them again. Drew has promoted Code Complete and I, out of curiosity, went to see what the...	Allred, Mark J Mark.Allred@...	Mar 24, 1999 7:30 pm
48	I think that McConell and Zachman are talking about two very different things. McConnell is suggesting a programming technique that will make code more or less...	Kelly VanDusen logic@...	Mar 25, 1999 10:16 pm
49	Such a language / environment already exists. It's known as "001" and is from Hamilton Technologies, Inc. More info. available online at HTI's site at...	Tyrone Kelley tkelley@...	Mar 26, 1999 3:03 pm
50	Wow! What a great level of discourse! I must steal some billable time for my 2 cents <g>. First I have to agree with Mark, that Zachman and McConnel are...	Drew Georgopulos drewg@...	Mar 26, 1999 4:28 pm
51	It's been done. Forget XLM+DCOM+anything else. "001" is the way to go. No need to get a rudimentary design and then move to a product like Rose; 001 is one...	Tyrone Kelley tkelley@...	Mar 29, 1999 5:05 pm
52	... 001 is based on Margret Hamilton's Development Before the Fact� paradigm. It has an interesting concept - produce error-free designs and you produce ...	Kelly VanDusen logic@...	Mar 31, 1999 4:24 am
53	FYI: Margaret Hamilton has a brand new book coming out from McGraw Hill. In other press, author Jessica Keyes described the potential of 001 and DBTF in a...	Tyrone Kelley tkelley@...	Mar 31, 1999 3:36 pm
54	Tyrone - What does the 001 language look like? Is it similar to ORM? How can ORM be integrated or play a part in an 001 modelling effort? Is there any free...	dennis_corbo@...	Apr 1, 1999 4:05 pm
55	The April Issue of the Journal of Conceptual Modeling (JCM) is now online at http://www.inconcept.com/JCM/. The JCM is a completely free resource dedicated to...	Scot A. Becker scotb@...	Apr 8, 1999 4:34 pm
56	Hi All, In previous articles, I have discussed the technical merits of using the ORM approach. I am thinking about another article, taking another approach. In...	Scot A. Becker scotb@...	Apr 10, 1999 6:29 pm
57	I've been looking at ORM for a while now and at least one reason why ORM isn't more popular is perfectly clear: No one has created a set of tools (leveled...	roy.wilsker@...	Apr 11, 1999 3:36 pm
58	In the April JCM article section comparing UML and ORM modeling of aggregation, Dr. Halpin indicates that "ORM, as well as many versions of ER, includes no...	John Hanna jh@...	Apr 11, 1999 3:47 pm
59	Roy, Being one of the people who teachs ORM, (as do all people here at ICM) I understand you issue. I will put together such an article with help of my...	Patrick Hallock path@...	Apr 11, 1999 8:52 pm
60	... the ORM ... In ... They ... supports it ... "tried ... to be ... the ... The reasons listed seem to have a bias that "ORM is perfect, and people just don't...	John Hanna jh@...	Apr 12, 1999 4:29 pm
61	Scott, First, thank you for JCM. I read it regularly, and recommend it to my associates. I know that some of them also read it. In response to your query: I...	Allred, Mark J Mark.Allred@...	Apr 12, 1999 5:03 pm
62	Hi John, Thanks for the response! ... It is, isn't it? <s> ... OK, fair enough. Any ideas as to what these might be? ... Hmmm.... aside from controlled...	Scot A. Becker scotb@...	Apr 12, 1999 5:20 pm
63	I think John has a good point here. In fact, the "ORM religion" perspective is a large part of the reason why ORM-based analysis is often rejected at our...	Cuyler, David S dscuyle@...	Apr 12, 1999 5:24 pm
64	Hi Dave, Thanks for the response! ... Absolutely. In fact, after the initial modeling is done, I primarily use ER/physical diagrams because I forget column...	Scot A. Becker scotb@...	Apr 12, 1999 5:39 pm
65	I agree with most of what John and David have to say here. Personally, I find ORM far superior for conceptual data modeling, where the modeler communicates...	Terry Halpin TerryH@...	Apr 12, 1999 8:08 pm
66	My instinctive response to John's interrogation is that the role labels are part of the notation. However, on further consideration, I am aware of some eighty...	Allred, Mark J Mark.Allred@...	Apr 13, 1999 2:01 am
67	On Monday, April 12, 1999 at 22:0 Mark Allred said ... This raises an interesting point. When I asked - "Shouldn't the ORM role terms (e.g. for aggregation) be...	John Hanna jh@...	Apr 13, 1999 2:34 pm
68	If I read John's comments correctly, he's suggesting that an organization might promote an internal terminology standard for treating certain predicate names...	Terry Halpin TerryH@...	Apr 13, 1999 6:41 pm
69	Roy is right. I have spent a lot of time trying to get people to understand how to read and identify with the notation. When they look at it, it seems too...	Allred, Mark J Mark.Allred@...	Apr 13, 1999 6:41 pm
70	Hi, all~ Here's a little challenge for your thinking caps. I want to reopen the discussion of the Zachman framework as representing either a refinement or a...	Allred, Mark J Mark.Allred@...	Apr 14, 1999 1:16 am
71	John - Appropriate naming is important, but, I also think that constraints may play a role for certain types of aggregation. In fact, you can use ORM...	dennis_corbo@...	Apr 14, 1999 11:49 pm
72	It seems to me that with ORM we at least get significant indicators of aggregation without special constraints or standardized predicate phrasing. In a typical...	Cuyler, David S dscuyle@...	Apr 16, 1999 3:10 am
73	Is anyone interested in holding scheduled internet chat sessions? It would be an interesting way to discuss JCM related topics, answer questions, discuss...	Scot A. Becker scotb@...	Apr 16, 1999 3:15 pm
74	If it is important to know, at a conceptual level of understanding, that a set of roles played by an object represent an aggregation, you could probably do one...	dennis_corbo@...	Apr 16, 1999 5:55 pm
75	Dave's intuitions are at least partly correct. As I discussed in Part 8 of my UML/ORM series for the JCM, there are some connections between ORM constraints...	Terry Halpin TerryH@...	Apr 16, 1999 5:55 pm
76	There are several definitions of aggregation which make Dave's observations valid in regard to collecting attributes about some concept. My Webster's...	Allred, Mark J Mark.Allred@...	Apr 16, 1999 5:55 pm

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