Sorry I have taken so long to reply. I've been lurking though :) I'll try to catch up on a lot of things at once: RE Anthony's Message: What he says makes a...
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Peter Hecht
phecht_98@...
Oct 3, 2000 7:55 pm
Hello, This is not in the spirit of the list, but I have nowhere else to turn. I am trying to use visio to create on the fly images. The problem is that...
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Peter Hecht
phecht_98@...
Oct 3, 2000 7:55 pm
Hello, Did you know there is an SR-1 out with at least one ORM fix? Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm...
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Scot A. Becker
scotb@...
Oct 3, 2000 10:47 pm
... There are also a series of MS Visio newsgroups. In particular, see: microsoft.public.visio.developer.vba ... Just a guess, as I do not have the Visio Docs...
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Peter Hecht
phecht_98@...
Oct 3, 2000 11:35 pm
Scot, They have a plethora of options when done manually. It the issue of doing those programatically and knowing what options get rid of the border. Thanks...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 4, 2000 12:57 am
... be ... I think data models have patterns in them. And if the exact same pattern they have a close enough pattern solution to areas of the badtabase, that ...
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Bill Tutt
billtut@...
Oct 4, 2000 2:06 am
From: Pat Hallock [mailto:path@...] ... mess. ... faster ... second or ... I/O ... <SQL optimizer rant> The real disappointment if you ask me is...
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Clive Finkelstein
cfink@...
Oct 13, 2000 10:05 pm
PERTH, AUSTRALIA - October 13, 2000 -- Information Engineering Services Pty Ltd (IES) today released Issue No. 13 of "The Enterprise Newsletter" (TEN),...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 14, 2000 3:49 pm
... relational ... is ... conceptual ... This is a perfect definition of a logical model - it is not subject to the implementation. The conceptual model is not...
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Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Oct 15, 2000 3:05 am
At 10:53 AM 10/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: In practice, when you design a model you use to know the general implementation at the start, for example you know you...
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Lance Delano
lanced@...
Oct 16, 2000 9:21 pm
SQL 1999 still doesn't comprehend an OO or dimensional database does it? ... From: Michael M. Gorman [mailto:mmgorman@...] Sent: Saturday, October 14,...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 16, 2000 11:33 pm
... From: Lance Delano To: 'jcm@egroups.com' Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [JCM] Digest Number 69 ... Mike, I hope you are refering to...
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Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Oct 17, 2000 12:49 am
From the perspective of DATABASE, yes it does.... but from the perspective of a ComputerSoftwareSystemObject, no..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 02:04 PM 10/16/2000...
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Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Oct 17, 2000 12:49 am
It will return to the way I used to teach database in the late 1970s.... Conceptual.... Database Schema, then Physical Database design...... That's the only...
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Scot A. Becker
scotb@...
Oct 17, 2000 2:49 am
Lake Elmo – October 16, 2000 – InConcept today announced the release of the October issue of the Journal of Conceptual Modeling (JCM). Now on its sixteenth...
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rlozano@...
Oct 17, 2000 3:42 pm
I'm afraid it was misunderstood something I said in a message of this thread. When I said "In practice, when you design a model you use to know the general...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 17, 2000 11:22 pm
OK, Now we are the right track - the modeling world versus the tools for doing so. Bottom line - show me one that is really what I want. This is not easy since...
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W. Henry Lyne
henry@...
Oct 17, 2000 11:54 pm
Request of Pat Hallock: Pat would you expand on which "background repositories" you are referring to and what is wrong with them. Henry W. Henry Lyne ...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 18, 2000 2:43 am
Henry In response to - ... All of these modeling tools maintain a repository database of the information within the model. This database often carries the name...
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W. Henry Lyne
henry@...
Oct 18, 2000 1:54 pm
Responding to Pat Hallock: I agree with your comments. If you will allow me a few pejorative terms and a little hyperbole, in my opinion, the "ill-defined...
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John Hanna
jh@...
Oct 18, 2000 1:56 pm
On Tuesday, October 17, 2000 21:10, Pat Hallock wrote ... "... John Zachman says there are 30 models each must be in excruting detail (His words there). There...
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Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Oct 18, 2000 3:02 pm
I apologize up front (not really, of course as this is an obnoxiously, blatant, marketing pitch ) but may I suggest that you download the Whitemarsh "book,"...
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Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Oct 18, 2000 3:04 pm
John Hanna: Absolutely.... You put it so very clearly..... In conceptual modeling you are modeling the data and In "Database Schema" modeling you are modeling...
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W. Henry Lyne
henry@...
Oct 18, 2000 9:52 pm
Terry, Would you please revise Figure 1 for the alternative approach shown in Figure 2 and post the revised Figure 1 on this forum? Henry W. Henry Lyne ...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 19, 2000 3:15 am
Henry, Good bit here. We at InConcept are going to keep a thread going on this issue. I have created Terry's model as a single model and will have it on site...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 19, 2000 3:15 am
Hey, you blatant promotion of useful materials is welcome here. The world is eclectic. Pat I apologize up front (not really, of course as this is an...
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Pat Hallock
path@...
Oct 19, 2000 3:16 am
John, Mike In my terms - the conceptual model does not imply the physical model or the logical model. Various models should be derived from the conceptual,...
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Scot A. Becker
scotb@...
Oct 19, 2000 5:32 am
All, Recently there have been many posts regarding ideal tools. In my mind, the cornerstone of any ideal tool begins with its repository. In the current issue...
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Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Oct 19, 2000 1:33 pm
Yes and amen..... you will see that Whitemarsh has three "data" models.. The "top" one is very conceptual, not at all tied to either a database or a DBMS.......
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Christian Bremeau
bremeau@...
Oct 19, 2000 1:34 pm
All, From the perfect design tools to the perfect repositories with meta data flowing everywhere, i have been enjoying the discussions in this e-mail list. A...
