I just came from Microsoft's Office XP event. I acquired a demo copy of Visio 2002 Standard and do not see ORM diagrams listed. Is this only in Visio 2002 or...
rgreen3@...
Jun 1, 2001 1:24 pm
817
Visio 2002 has only Standard and Professional versions. As in the past, there is a basic ORM stencil (for drawing purposes only) in Visio 2002 Professional...
Terry Halpin
TerryHa@...
Jun 1, 2001 5:55 pm
818
ORM is only available in the VSEA (Microsoft(r) Visual Studio.NET Enterprise ) product. VSEA is currently entering beta and is not yet widely available. This...
John Miller
jMiller@...
Jun 1, 2001 5:57 pm
819
... IIRC ORM is/was only in the Enterprise Edition(s) of Visio 5/2000. I suppose they've removed it completely now that it has it's own tool in VS.NET...
Darryl Rowe
darrylr@...
Jun 1, 2001 5:58 pm
820
Terry, What changes are in store for the UML solution? jMM ... From: Terry Halpin [mailto:TerryHa@...] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:03 AM To:...
John Miller
jMiller@...
Jun 1, 2001 7:51 pm
821
With all due respect, folks, is this discussion group to become an MS drum-beater, or will it remain a conceptual modeling group?...
joseph_w_newcum@...
Jun 1, 2001 7:51 pm
822
... Is it possible to discuss tools without seeming biased? <eg> IMHO, I would welcome discussion of any tools that do a decent job of conceptual modeling. To...
Scot A. Becker
scotb@...
Jun 1, 2001 9:57 pm
823
... I would hope that its focus remains "Conceptual modeling in ORM". And I think it has. We need to be both a drum beater and a brow beater to get what we...
geverest@...
Jun 1, 2001 10:23 pm
824
... MS ... It was not my intention to beat a drum for MS. I was simply trying to ascertain the status of the ONLY tool for creating ORM diagrams. My apologies...
rgreen3@...
Jun 2, 2001 12:31 am
825
Thank you Terry. ... past, ... 2002 ... forward ... reverse ... An ... copy ... contains...
rgreen3@...
Jun 2, 2001 12:42 am
826
For one, C# is now supported. You can gain an idea of some other improvements if you have a copy of Visio 2002 Pro, which does provide reverse engineering to...
Terry Halpin
TerryHa@...
Jun 2, 2001 1:52 am
827
All, ... For those of us that have been into ORM/NIAM for the past 20 years we have watched several conceptual tools come and go. The first one I used was...
Pat Hallock
path@...
Jun 2, 2001 2:18 am
828
... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Over the past 36 years in the IT business, I've often mixed up "concepts," "techniques," and "tools." For example, database, DBMS,...
Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Jun 2, 2001 1:43 pm
829
Has anyone thought of creating an open source tool in Java (say) that would run on lots of platforms, and wouldn't put Terry in such - what I suspect is - a ...
joseph_w_newcum@...
Jun 4, 2001 1:48 pm
830
... tool, ... the ... candidate ... Ditto. (Worked through Chapter 4 of Dr. Halpin's book so far and believe I can now begin to make real use of VisioModeler...
Darryl Rowe
darrylr@...
Jun 4, 2001 1:53 pm
831
Hello, Thought yes, acted no. Do I hear open source? Peter ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email...
Peter Hecht
phecht_98@...
Jun 4, 2001 3:29 pm
832
I was thinking exactly the same thing myself over the week-end and what it would need to do.. I'm not sure if I'd use Java though as it's a very slow language...
Adrian Miley
adrian.miley@...
Jun 4, 2001 3:29 pm
833
... There has been an ongoing discussion of this. See: http://www.inconcept.com/JCM/metamodel.html http://www.inconcept.com/JCM/October2000/halpin.html ...
Scot A. Becker
scotb@...
Jun 4, 2001 3:34 pm
834
Sorry, that third URL should have been: http://www.inconcept.com/JCM/December2000/hallock.html Scot. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scot A. Becker ...
Scot A. Becker
scotb@...
Jun 4, 2001 3:38 pm
835
... 3 Yes, I have thought long and hard about this. I think it is very possible and could be an interesting project for a group such as the one on this email...
Randolph Kahle
RandyKahle@...
Jun 4, 2001 5:00 pm
836
Here is another reference, found by one of my students, that may be useful. David Hay is always good reading. Evidently, you cannot send attached files through...
geverest@...
Jun 4, 2001 5:01 pm
837
(1) Terry has published one in the JCM, I believe, and (2) What about some grad students doing it for a thesis project ala Stonebridge?...
joseph_w_newcum@...
Jun 4, 2001 5:02 pm
838
Joseph, (1) You need to tell us what you are replying to. Presume the request for a metamodel for ORM. Scot Becker has already replied with the links to...
geverest@...
Jun 4, 2001 5:43 pm
839
... That is a good pointer, thanks! cheers, Mary __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape...
msfrancisusa@...
Jun 4, 2001 6:40 pm
840
[see my earlier response...] I really hadn't thought much beyond adding smarts to the ORM Visio 5C template. I would be glad to contribute, but I think you all...
joseph_w_newcum@...
Jun 4, 2001 10:27 pm
841
Warning...as I remember, when Asymetrix was coding this (where I jumped on board), it was maybe 10% coding ORM and 90% coding user interface... And they never...
Don Kretz
dkretz@...
Jun 4, 2001 10:27 pm
842
to (2)... I was thinking that lots of software gets developed as thesis projects. If a core group comes together on an ORM tool, and that core team have...
joseph_w_newcum@...
Jun 5, 2001 2:06 pm
843
That is why cobmining a number of approaches might be appealing: Cooper on interface design to prototype a usable and appealing interface in (say) VB The whole...
joseph_w_newcum@...
Jun 5, 2001 2:06 pm
844
Pardon the change in subject, but it seemed we were getting away from Drum/Brow beating. May I propose that, if such a tool is created, the native model files...
Cuyler, David S
dscuyle@...
Jun 5, 2001 5:28 pm
845
I agree. So far we have been talking about the easy stuff. I did a little information survey of system developers in a class I taught to industry people a...
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