Bob Good question and a good research project. As an aside, I like to call it a "Data Modeling Scheme" rather than "system." but you are right it is not a data...
geverest@...
Feb 1, 2002 5:38 pm
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Thanks Gordon! By the way, I'm not trying to badger the list by asking the same question over and over--I have no idea how that e-mail, which I originally sent...
Bob: I agree; your project seems interesting. I don't know the exact nature of your project, so I cannot tell if what I am about to say will interest you, but...
Joe makes some good points, but I have some qualifications. A key distinction to make is between the expressiveness of a graphical language and that of a...
Terry Halpin
TerryHa@...
Feb 5, 2002 3:43 am
993
... <snip> ... <snip> ... <snip> ... <snip> Terry made some excellent points -- as usual -- but I would like to add one: The very nature of applying the...
Scot A. Becker
scot@...
Feb 5, 2002 10:16 pm
994
I concur with Scot. A related issue is the general notion of information hiding. Sometimes you don't want to see all the rich variety of constraints that are...
Terry Halpin
TerryHa@...
Feb 5, 2002 10:32 pm
995
All, Maybe a little of the topic but not too far: A modeler/reviewer/user can not only hide the constraints, but also hide facts themselves by not placing them...
I wanted to follow up on a key point that Terry made, which is the ability to populate every fact in ORM and check the population with the user. I have used...
bill maclean
bmaclean@...
Feb 6, 2002 10:16 pm
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Hi all And thanks for the entry point Bill! Bravo I agree! Most of my customers are not IS folks and don't know the language or processes we go through. I ...
Does anyone know if there is an upgrade path from Viso 2000 Enterprise Edition to whatever the modeling tool is called in VS? I would'nt mind getting VS in...
Yes, you can upgrade to VS .NET Enterprise Architect from Visio Enterprise 2000 for US$1799 (instead of paying the full $2499). Here is the site for more...
Terry Halpin
TerryHa@...
Feb 11, 2002 10:21 pm
1001
As one who bought VS Enterprise for the ORM tool(!!!) only to find it quite simply didn't work, I would want some considerable demonstration of bona fides...
Bob Hicks
bobhix@...
Feb 11, 2002 11:48 pm
1002
Terry, Wouldn't someone who has the Universal MSDN subscription have a license to use all of the tools? Is there anything related to Visio that you can do...
Bob, Be sure you get "VS .NET Enterprise Architect" edition. All other versions have ORM drawings, but not the full-blown version of ORM- they are just a...
Did you buy Enterprise or Architect? The ORM functionality is not in enterprise, it's in architect. Lance ... From: Bob Hicks [mailto:bobhix@...] ...
Lance Delano
lanced@...
Feb 12, 2002 12:21 am
1005
I mislead you all with my rant about the earlier version of MS ORM modeler (my term, not theirs). It was Visio 2000 Enterprise with its utterly useless ORM...
Bob Hicks
bobhix@...
Feb 12, 2002 8:38 pm
1006
Yes. MSDN Universal subscription includes MS Visual Studio .NET Enterprise Architect, which includes MS Visio for Enterprise Architects, which includes the...
Terry Halpin
TerryHa@...
Feb 12, 2002 8:40 pm
1007
Terry - $1799, ouch! I guess ORM is on its way to becoming proprietary to MS. There aren't any other tools that use it, and I it will be increasing bound to...
Hi Terry. Thanks for your speedy and thoughtful response. <snip from Terry, post 992> A key distinction to make is between the expressiveness of a graphical ...
Hello Bill: Thanks for the reply. I agree that verbalization and population checks are absolutely essential for generating good models. In fact, I feel quite...
Could someone please tell me how can I subscribe MSDN Universal and how much does it cost? Amjad...
Amjad Bashir
amjad@...
Feb 12, 2002 10:28 pm
1011
... http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/prodinfo/subscribe.asp Last I saw, it was about $2,500. HTH, Scot. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scot...
Scot A. Becker
scot@...
Feb 12, 2002 10:40 pm
1012
Amjad, Try the following link - http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/ There are several options, so check them out. Pat Patrick Hallock Sr. Partner ...
About $2400 per year. You can subscribe over the web with your credit card, of course... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ... ============================================== ...
Michael M. Gorman
mmgorman@...
Feb 12, 2002 10:56 pm
1014
i've been fortunate enough to attend classes from both John Carlis (LDS)
and Gordon Everest (ORM) at the University of Minnesota. both professors
are strong...
Joseph, <snip> unworthy because they are a function of processing (not data). Also, allowing constraints on the diagram wrongly encourages modelers and users...
Joe, Each CUSTOMER must have a CREDIT_LIMIT. (That is, CREDIT_LIMIT cannot be null.) If one person says it is true and another says it is not - that is ...
Hello Patrick: When I recommend postponing the discussion of constraints, I do not suggest that the discussion should be postponed until work on the ...
Joe, OK, I got out your book and having a look at it again. I own excessively many such books. I will give it another look. Pat Patrick Hallock Sr. Partner ...
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