Hi Bernie, see interpsersed.

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
wrote:
Use wire
> instead of the open transfer tube - Alex and Joe both have at times.

[ADrian - I don't know about this. What is your source? It is interesting to me
because I see aluminium as very speical in this work. It blocks orgone and
torsion, and so my assumption is that the tube does not conduct so much as
contain. By contrast we have the other connection as a wire. I have taken this
differece to be of considerable interest becuase it sugggests that two rather
distinct things are being moved. However, if you can sub a wire for the tube and
it still works thoise assumotions and the learning piounts arising are invalid.]

> We also learn that the alternator output contains a relatively strong
> torsion field, ie; we've shown that it's delivering all three field fields
> at significant intensity.

[Adrian - How was this done?]

This is possibly telling us how to drive a JC for
> higher output without having it heat up.

[ADrian - You mean using CE to drive it, right?]

> We're learning to use PN junctions as a director and possibly an intensifier
> / equilibrium disrupter so we can put the torsion field energy to use. It's
> very possible that more junctions in series would be like adding more
> resistance in a constant current circuit to achieve higher voltage.

[ADrian - Forgive my ignorance. The diodes are going to stop the fot electricyt
altogether right? Why would adding more make a difference. You can only stop
somehting dead once.]

I can't
> help wondering if this might be the reason tunnel diodes are no longer
> available - their negative resistance effects would probably make them very
> strong equilibrium disruptors.

[ADrian - They can surely be found.]

>
> One way out thought that from Dave - Maybe water is the wrong medium to use
> in a cell. If the goal is to charge the oil in the engine, than perhaps oil
> in the cell would be better. It should produce a highly compatible energy
> signature for coupleing to the engine oil. Dave has found that oil charges
> up nicely. This opens the door to using other materials in Joe cell tubes by
> eliminating the corrosion problem.
>
> Just food for thought!

[Adrian - Yes that is far out indeed.]
>
> Bernie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian" <adrian.mutimer@...>
> To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] mind over matter
>
>
> > Yes, you answered fine.
> >
> > You see I find this whole thing very interesting.
> >
> > Bernie's scope on torsion makes a good deal of sense to me and has
> > tantalsing correlations with what I know as orgone theory. His point that
> > there is little else than torsion or CE that could explain the effect on
> > the car from his super-simple dip-stick setup, is solid. I am also
> > strongly drawn to his point that we always have both things going on. In
> > his most recent post he says both inflow and outflow. Those two terms will
> > do. The point is that both directionalities remain present only their
> > balance is altered. I jibe with this in a big way. I don't think it is
> > possible to totally separate the threee forces becuase they are functions
> > each of the other, all you can do is alter their relationship (probably
> > only for a period).
> >
> > If you look at the most recent pics put up by Alex of the Rodin coil you
> > see a setup that is intended to create two counter-rotating vortices with
> > a null space in the middle. It's the same basic thing as the cell.
> >
> > The issue is the technology one uses to do this with trick with.
> >
> > You may remember that Rob spoke about the instabilty of the JC (which
> > drove the poor guy practically nuts I think) and the relative stability of
> > the oil cell. I suggest that, if the basic facts of this is true then we
> > have a pathway into the stability issue of the JC.
> >
> > For what it is worth, I think the JC has enormous trouble doing what it
> > does because of the tendency of nature to revert to her stable position,
> > which is one of tightly constrained imbalance *within limits set by the
> > balance of three forces*. In nature momentary imbalances are always
> > occuring and they dishcarge in many ways leading to a huge variety of
> > pehnomena. But it is always within limits ( a bell curve with a small
> > variance).
> >
> > What we try to do with the cell is, and I hate to use these words,
> > "against nature". We are messing with her fundamentals. We make imbalance
> > and we prolong it and then we coral it and then we dishcarge it and permit
> > balance to return. it shoukd not surpriose us that at the very first
> > opportunity she gets, nature corrects the position - and the cell fails.
> >
> > So it seems to me there are two ways into the stability issue. We can look
> > at it from the point of view that falure arises from the inability of the
> > cell to maintain imbalance and look into the manifold ways she gets back
> > to where she wants to be. Or we can come at it from the position that
> > there are things that interfere with the cell's good operation. The latter
> > idea has us looking for sheilds for the cell. But the former idea has us
> > looking for the routes that nature can take to normalise the position and
> > try to eliminate them.
> >
> > I believe that Alex has more or less proven that we cannot sheild the
> > cell. Everything he has tried in that regard killed it.
> >
> > So my thoughts center on the search for the places where nature gets her
> > chance to stop the functioning of the cell by normalising the position.
> > This in turn has us asking questions about what she wants to do - what is
> > her big objective? (so to speak). When we understnd this we look at the
> > technology and ask "what is it about this technology that permits the
> > reversion back to balance before the point at which we want it to happen?"
> >
> > ONE of these escape routes is early superimposition (rebalance), but I
> > think there are others.
> >
> > The "against nature" stabilities that we try to use in the cellall have
> > the same essential characterisitic which is that the stabilitysits on a
> > knife-edge. It is like we are trying to balance a cup cake on a pin head.
> > If we get it dead right we have our stability. But the thing is that the
> > slighest pertubation will make it fail. And there are perturbations
> > everywhere!
> >
> > The questions become how to change the environmentof the cell, what is the
> > nature of that environment? and how can I make it?, this will ave us
> > asking if the cell makes a good environment for itslf or if it messes its
> > own nest...
> >
> > My sense is that the car tends to destroy the environment the cell needs,
> > and this may well have to do with the electrical arrangements.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Adrian
> >
> >
> > Nathan <cellery97@> wrote:
> >>
> >> did i answer your question sufficiently adrian?
> >>
> >> or did it sound ambiguous
> >>
> >> i should not have used the term CE and stuck with torsion to be clear.
> >>
> >> nath
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Adrian <adrian.mutimer@>
> >> To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Friday, 3 July, 2009 3:38:58 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] mind over matter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You weren't antagonising. I asked a question, and you answered.
> >>
> >> Your confusion is because your input, which you made in good faith, has
> >> just been used by Robert so that he can make the point that I caused
> >> discussion of his device to leave this group and now I am asking a
> >> question about it. I belive Robert is being smart - yes, but not very
> >> smart.
> >>
> >> Just so we are clear - I have no problem with inputs from the oil cell
> >> group - in fact I have asked for them, several times - you probably
> >> remember those requests. What was impossible is that Robert's device
> >> should have remained the focus of the this Joe Cell group. The steps I
> >> took to prevent the chaos that would have otherwise ensued were not steps
> >> Robert enjoyed and so we have a case of here of Robert poking fun.
> >>
> >> I think you have understood that now. Please deal with the sillines as
> >> best you can. I for one will be grateful if you will continue to answer
> >> in good faith and disregard the nonse if you can.
> >>
> >> Madness.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Adrian--- In joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com, Nathan
> >> <cellery97@ ..> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > im sorry
> >> >
> >> > i thought i was just answering his question.
> >> > i dont intend to antagonize anyone
> >> > apologys.
> >> >
> >> > nath
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >> > From: robert_hull2001 <robert_hull2001@ ...>
> >> > To: joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com
> >> > Sent: Friday, 3 July, 2009 8:43:34 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] mind over matter
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com, Nathan <cellery97@
> >> > ..> wrote:
> >> > > cellery97,
> >> > Please do not "antagonize Adrian" with The Hull Effect in this forum.
> >> > He adamantly wishes to keep the focus on cells.
> >> > My apologies to you, Adrian. (smile)
> >> >
> >> > Robert W Hull
> >> >
> >> > > sorry to be more specific
> >> > > the reaction is many things
> >> > > yes there is a fuel saving in all cars, be they EFI or carb
> >> > > but what happens is the switch passes "something", be it CE or
> >> > > something else,
> >> > > to the oil. chargeing the oil.like a jc charges the water. this oil
> >> > > then magnetises the engine.
> >> > > this magnetism then seems to envelope the engine.
> >> > > this magnetism or "charge" then seems to "charge" or "excite" the
> >> > > fuel so it becomes more volitile.
> >> > > its seems the fuel is vapourising carb and the whole engine runs cold
> >> > > with very little incoming air.
> >> > >
> >> > > all very cool
> >> > >
> >> > > nath
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >> > > From: Adrian <adrian.mutimer@ ...>
> >> > > To: joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, 2 July, 2009 9:15:05 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] mind over matter
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I see. Is the reaction the fuel saving, or are there other signs?
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > >
> >> > > Adrian--- In joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com, Nathan
> >> > > <cellery97@ ..> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > well the assumption that cold electricity is flowing to the oil
> >> > > > is based on the fact that there is a reaction occuring
> >> > > > and it cant be hot electricity due to the diode arrangement of the
> >> > > > triac.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > nath
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >> > > > From: Adrian <adrian.mutimer@ ...>
> >> > > > To: joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com
> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, 2 July, 2009 7:29:43 PM
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] mind over matter
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > What has Robert done that shows the triac passing the cold stuff?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Regards
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Adrian
> >> > > > --- In joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com, "Bernie"
> >> > > > <bernieheere@ ...> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Ernst,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Robert Hull has shown that a simple Triac device can be used to
> >> > > > > block hot
> >> > > > > electricity and pass the cold. In fact I've shown that 2 reverse
> >> > > > > biased
> >> > > > > diodes will do this as well. A triac is a PNPN device, and 2
> >> > > > > diodes provide
> >> > > > > essentially the same function. In my setup I simply tied the
> >> > > > > diodes between
> >> > > > > the battery + terminal and the oil dipstick. I insulated the
> >> > > > > dipstick to it
> >> > > > > wouldn't short to the tube and would conduct the CE to the oil.
> >> > > > > This simple
> >> > > > > setup got me a 15% mileage improvement. the diodes probably need
> >> > > > > to be high
> >> > > > > speed / fast recovery like damper diodes.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The trick here is to understand that whenever hot electricity is
> >> > > > > flowing,
> >> > > > > the cold is also flowing, and can be tapped and put to use. A
> >> > > > > condenser does
> >> > > > > essentially the same thing, but I suspect that it needs to be the
> >> > > > > right type
> >> > > > > to work well.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This CE can be used to boost a JC, but it looks like the JC might
> >> > > > > actually
> >> > > > > be unnecessary, and the energy can be used directly.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Bernie
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "ernsthijlkema" <ernsthijlkema@ ...>
> >> > > > > To: <joecellfreeenergyd e vice@yahoogroups .com>
> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:36 AM
> >> > > > > Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] mind over matter
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > water can do od things one is purify itselves
> >> > > > > > this is done by spirally moving the water
> >> > > > > > another way is you can clean water with your mind
> >> > > > > > put intention on a piece of paper and ask the water to ackt
> >> > > > > > like you
> >> > > > > > written on the paper .
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > a bit of water treated with the right intentions can clean a
> >> > > > > > small pond
> >> > > > > > in a few houers .
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > and i say again use vacuum if charging a cell .
> >> > > > > > charge sourse battery to a condenser to cell .
> >> > > > > > there is never a connection between the cell and the battery .
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > use a relay to do this .
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > you get nowere if you do not try
> >> > > > > >
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