Hello again.

I have been tempted here by a glimmer of hope that you might be getting close to
what I have been trying to explain.

"With cold EM and earth positive charges this is true, electrons do not
> move and no heat is generated, the diode blocks them also if they tired
> to. I have charged capacitors backwards with a diode up to almost a volt
> from the earth. Meters do not read the current of charge but do read the
> discharge into a load. Quite puzzeling. Voltages appear in many devices
> without using electron currents. The electron currents are not the
> "prime source" of the force being transferred, as with water in a pipe.
> A mundane diode appears to be a battery in the correct conditions."


So.....now take this energy, also available from any battery and power up a
coil, like the inside of an alternator stator, leaving the winding open, and
spin it up to generate current out the field windings, and see what you
get!!!!!!!
>
Daniel.

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "David Lowrance"
<libra_spirit@...> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Thanks, very good information. You have done a lot of research I can
> tell. Also much experiment, thanks for sharing. Sounds like you have
> created a pretty good tube device there also! A Grays tube?
>
> Sharing some of my own observations and perceptions,
>
> Have you ever heard of the "A" field in electronics?
>
> Do you see the Joe Cell, once charged, as having a static field that
> falls off with distance away from it? At what rate does the field drop
> with distance, if you do not direct it consciously? Unlike the Gray tube
> the JC is a static field with constant pressure and more time to study
> the field.
>
> "Bernie tries to make it sound like electrons don't move in a wire and
> that
> torsion fields are required to explain mundane basics of electrical
> circuits."
>
> Only in OU situations, and inductive circuits, where the current models
> fail.
>
> With cold EM and earth positive charges this is true, electrons do not
> move and no heat is generated, the diode blocks them also if they tired
> to. I have charged capacitors backwards with a diode up to almost a volt
> from the earth. Meters do not read the current of charge but do read the
> discharge into a load. Quite puzzeling. Voltages appear in many devices
> without using electron currents. The electron currents are not the
> "prime source" of the force being transferred, as with water in a pipe.
> A mundane diode appears to be a battery in the correct conditions.
>
> A Joe Cells tubes can hold a charge between the tubes if only wet, short
> them out, remove the short, they immediatly recharge with no electrons
> moving between them, and to the same fixed voltage they had before you
> shorted them. This is not a 99 percent recovery but a 100 percent
> recovery, until the tubes go dry. A photon transfer resulting in
> electric field?
>
> Also voltages moving between points in a circuit "before" electron
> current can flow, is not hard to show. The moving electrons are not the
> source of the voltage present, but the result. The sequence is important
> as even in normal EM circuits Voltage apears before the electrons can
> congregate on the point where it apears. Photon flows are also present
> if you will.
>
> Your water models for electricity only work for capacitive circuits
> where current leads [voltage change] this is quite mundane I agree but
> only half the picture. The model misses totally inductive circuits where
> voltage change leads current, indicating there must be another path
> present for voltage to move ahead of the electron packing location [said
> to create the concentration of electrons that defines the voltage.] As
> this path is not measurable with meters, it is of note. "A field". The
> need to understand this field is to set up the sequence and trace the
> force backwards to its "Source." What comes first Volts or Amps or
> something else entirely? They would ask we believe that volts comes only
> from piling up electrons, "after" we flow them into some storage device.
> To me now, this is nonsense. They can appear to lead one another
> depending on the circuit and power is a reflection of the product of
> both. Voltage can appear without electron currents at all.
>
> The path is the "longitudinal wave" or T field, present in all AC power
> situations. Toroidal coils can transfer power without a magnetic field
> pole present, a clear violation of current EM theory, where magnetic
> flux lines must cut a conductor, and yet in use everywhere. A moving
> blotch wall if you will. The energy moves entirely through the blotch
> wall or magnetic neutral area of the core that is radiant outwards 90
> degrees to the polar line of the core. It cannot be measured to move a
> compass at all. The field drops as a function of distance, rather then
> distance squared and as such is not a Voltage vector potiential or a
> Magnetic field. This is so similiar to Joe Cell energy it is hard to
> ignor. No wonder toroidal cores were used for water fracturing. "A"
> field is the same vibrational energy path that JCs are messing with. I
> see little doubt here personally.
>
> Orgone comes in where people start to sense feelings and perceptions
> about life as an experience, and want to work from that standpoint, also
> very important involving focus, but usually less effective at
> duplicating, or storing a field once created that way. Moving energy
> around "space and time" comes in with talented wizards who have learned
> how to manifest photons where they focus. This also is present in the
> mundane two slit experiment of physics! LOL!
>
> Adrian is seeking to know the "Source" of the energy that atoms freely
> harness from moment to moment. Never slowing down or loosing their
> magnetic fields no matter how we abuse them, and never expanding to a
> runnaway state. I love it? Where you place your "Source" will determine
> all that follows mentally, and whether you can develope a technology
> based on it.
>
> The only place I can find, that we have access to, and exhibits OU
> energy is the atom. For me, matter is a generator of energy without end.
> Photon flows, a lossless propagation. The model. All our devices will
> use matter until people can generate their own larger CU's as a mirror
> of the atom at a larger fractal, mentally, and this is not yet.
>
> In your Gray tube device the energy is comming from the nucleus of the
> atoms trying to pull the electron shells back into their correct orbital
> balanced state. If the flow is negative and constant then a drop of the
> field will cause an outflow responding to the loss of electrons present.
> They flare out with a tempic field [torsion field] [nuclear strong force
> shell] the energy moving outwards moves at 90 degrees to the tube, and
> the current flow of the arc I would guess, right over this nuclear
> pulse. The "A" field, radiant energy, many names, one force. The effect
> should drop with distance from the device linearly, unless you refocus
> it off the outer boundary to another tunned recieving point where it can
> appear as a photon manifestation without loss. What I would call T field
> propagation as in Tesla field. This is a grand scale of the same tube
> devices as JC's which are much gentler and more constant.
>
> The nucleon of the atom is the only place in nature where we see mass
> converted to energy [strong force] in a static device. The nucleon is
> lighter then the sum of its component parts, a mass to energy converter
> that becomes reactive. Yet pull it apart and the mass all returns, no
> loss. There is your energy source model. How it does that I suppose, is
> a very good question.
>
> You will read in current physics that there are no forces leaving the
> strong force area of the atom except EM and a very weak gravity. This is
> because they cannot detect the strong force shells energy using meters
> [A field]. It is the same pattern as a JC emits and probably the Gray
> tube. If you set up the Gray tube with a pulse of correct frequency you
> will likely create a gigantic standing field around it very similiar
> having layered shells. Switch this field to the inflow side, the arc
> dissapears or goes invisible, and there it is. Now it sucks EM into it
> and it will dissapear. Exactly what we see on the JC aluminum tube nodal
> points, where the EM noise floor drops out. Measureable effects with an
> AV plug and a meter. With the cells we have time to locate them however.
> You don't need an explosion or an impulse device to study them. Maybe an
> advantage. Very probably the same energy form.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dave L
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, John Berry
> <aether22@> wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> >
> >
> > > Your electric field examples are very good ones. It seems to me
> however
> >
> > you are asking the wrong questions to get to a solution for JC work.
> >
> >
> > > If you place 5 concentric tubes in a cell, fill it with electrolized
> >
> > spring water and then place about 2 volts across the cell to polarize
> >
> > the cell gaps. The cell comes up over time to a place where white
> bubles
> >
> > can last a weak [stage 3 water]. Is it the voltage causing this effect
> >
> > to run an engine? 2 volts is a lot of energy I know, but really, is it
> >
> > the voltage?
> >
> >
> > The voltage (or the torsion field generated by it) and other design
> > considerations (monatomic elements, reflective aetheric oscillation,
> aether
> > vortex/rotation within the circular cell form) both generate and
> attract
> > what can be termed "orgone". Free floating aetheric disturbances.
> >
> > The orgone is delivered to the engine.
> > Many examples exist of aetheric "explosions" causing an implosive
> effect on
> > metal, i could list probably 10 examples besides the Joe Cell.
> > But this aetheric explosion only places force on materials that slow
> it
> > down, that's why Joe apparently showed in one video that it wouldn't
> effect
> > human flesh but would effect charged water. (or metal)
> > This agrees with many others who have created such a force.
> >
> >
> > > What is the actual pressure generated by 2 volts at about 1/4" to
> 1/2"
> >
> > away, on the water in the space? On the engine?
> >
> >
> > Water in space?
> > BTW I should clarify that when I say that the aeher is a fluid I do
> not mean
> > a liquid.
> > "A fluid is defined as a substance that continually deforms (flows)
> under an
> > applied shear stress. All gases are fluids, but not all liquids are
> fluids."
> > Wikipedia
> >
> >
> > > What is the pressure gradient from 12 volts at 1/2"
> >
> >
> > > On the coil firing what is the pressure gradient from 15,000 volts
> >
> > against a piston 2 - 4 inches away?
> >
> >
> > > What is the pressure generated from a 15Kv voltage arc gradient only
> >
> > touching the outside of the grounded engine, on a piston inside it
> >
> >
> > > If you can do this with only voltage and current [magnetic field] be
> my
> >
> > guest! LOL! I really want to know.
> >
> >
> > I am not saying that the cell generates it's effects by conventional
> > electrical current.
> > Bernie tries to make it sound like electrons don't move in a wire and
> that
> > torsion fields are required to explain mundane basics of electrical
> > circuits.
> >
> >
> > > It has been most JC experimenters experience that there must be some
> >
> > other force present to produce what is observed, that is interactive
> >
> > with standard EM. What vocabulary have you adapted to deal with this?
> >
> >
> > The voltage draws in excited/disturbed aether AKA Orgone (you can
> create
> > such "orgone" by making aether flow through obstacles like water in a
> river
> > as the rocks make white water, or by directing aether flows at each
> other
> > and many other ways besides).
> >
> > How the voltage did this I wasn't sure until I realized that torsion
> > field/aether vortex made complete sense and agrees with much evidence.
> >
> > The orgone is literally disturbed space, the medium of all matter and
> energy
> > and when you excite it all the rules change, you change the playing
> fields,
> > if you manipulate the board on which the game is played you can change
> the
> > rules. What was once trule impossible is now easy.
> >
> > That is why anomalies, impossibilities swarm around these devices.
> >
> > Orgone can carry fragments of magnetic or electric fields or gain such
> > effects, it can even carry charges around.
> >
> > One of the most powerful effects is that of the radiant aether
> emission
> > (aether explosion, radiant energy).
> > Tesla discovered it and indeed it has inertial effects but it can also
> pull
> > electrons and fields with it.
> >
> > In fact I know how to make a "SURE THING" free energy device with this
> > effect, you take a DC electrical arc and form a capacitor between the
> arc
> > and an outer grid electrode.
> > Charge this plasma-grad capacitor to a few KV's with the arc being
> negative.
> >
> > And BANG as you break the arc the excess electrons on it will go
> flying into
> > the environment.
> > They will destroy electronics, cause a lightening strike and leave the
> grid
> > at a voltage of hundreds of kilovolts or high, it will now have much
> much
> > more energy that it initially had.
> >
> > This has been proven by many and even replicated successfully (to a
> lesser
> > small scale degree) twice under my instructions. (One may have done it
> just
> > before hearing about my claim, not sure)
> > This still works if the arc is in a xenon flash tube.
> >
> >
> > > Lastly a Joe Cell can magnetize an engine block with no electric
> current
> >
> > flowing, through an aluminum tube with a 1 inch gap of plastic tube.
> >
> > How does the magnetic field energy get from the cell to the engine
> >
> > without any electric current?
> >
> >
> > Orgone is a bit of aether that has become disturbed, and it can carry
> > magnetic fields.
> > Reich for instance found magnetic poles at the corners of his orgone
> > accumulators, they were not created by the steel as they changed as
> the
> > boxes orientation was changed.
> > I also heard of a guy who found magnetic poles at the top of glass
> > tetrahedrons.
> > And Dan Davidson found he could create magnetic fields also with drawn
> > lines! and chopsticks put into a Styrofoam ball.
> > Others have shown the ability to bend and project magnetic fields is
> such
> > ways including project them great distances.
> > Indeed this is one of the main free energy principles, you create a
> time
> > varying magnetic field with a ferromagnetic core and then with he
> right
> > radiant/aetheric/orgone conditions the magnetic field is moved to a
> distant
> > air core coil.
> > The amount of current (or ampere turns) it would require an air core
> coil to
> > produce to cancel the incoming ferromagneticallly generated EMF is
> many many
> > times that of the energy pumping into the ferrous assisted inductor.
> >
>