Bernie,
Thank you so much for those details! That issue was causing me a headache.
Joe A.
From: Bernie Heere <bernie.heere@...>
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Research SUmmary
Bernie
I cut a pair of tubes with a hacksaw and spun them up without any problem. For maximum effect the ends need to be true, so you could touch them up with a grinder if necessary. But do it slowly to keep the heating to a minimum, since heating messes up the SS alloy distribution.
I also grabbed some random lengths of 1”, 2” and 3” tubing that were leftover ends after making up other cells and slapped than together using a
cut up wine cork for spacers, and it vibrated up just fine. Talk about a crappy cell!
Bernie
From: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joe aymat
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:55 AM
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Research SUmmary
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:55 AM
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Research SUmmary
Question,
Would a cut by friction (Saw) would creat heat to the point of creating resistance to the SS tubes making it hard to charge?
I read in another site that cut by laser was the best do to that. Is it true or what would be the best way to cut the
tubes?
Thanks again for the reply!!!
Joe A.
From: Bernie Heere <bernie.heere@...>
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Research SUmmary
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Research SUmmary
While 316L ss is the preferred material for cells, 304 will work. You need to test it with a NEO magnet to judge the quality. Minimal magnetic attraction is necessary. Most of my cells are 304
grade, made from tubes from the recycle yards. and we’ve gotten good results from some of them.
Bernie
From: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joe aymat
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:20 PM
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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:20 PM
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Well i feel i can contribute some observations from the Dominican Republic since everybody here is trying unimaginable ways to save gas but end up spending double. The majority here are using propane gas to fuel gasoline powered vehicles blowing up O2 sensors left and right. They now started promoting natural gas but it cost $3k US just to convert the engine for that type of fuel and three stations in the country as of today. I have been reading and researching HHO and trully in love with the Joe cell but unfortunately i cannot get true 316L tubes down here and when they tell you they are not trully 316L, they just want to sell you what they have. I am running an inverted T cell on a
Japanese version of a nissa pathfinder, it is call a Terrano with a 2.7Liter turbo diesel and No joke i am getting close to 28-30MPG ona 5k pound vehicle and automatic transmission. It has no catalyc converter and neither O2 sensors. It is not a consistant mileage gain so reading all this new posts gives me new ideas even though I have 1% knowledge compared to all of you out there so thank you.
Once i started using HHO the engine quit expellign nasty black somoke considering that i am also running on 2 gallons of WMO with every 8 gallons of diesel ($5.50Gallon), it makes a healthy difference plus more power so I press the gas very lightly. The fuuny thing of why I am sharing this bit of info
is not to give up since we are all trying regardless of our past education and experiences. My stepmother is a biochemist and my brother has a masters degree in chemical engineering specializing in nano technology and cannot belive Joe Cell works. I study many fields thru the years and ended up specializing in fields far away from chemistry (Criminal Science) and now serve as a volunteer missionary here in the DR. The interesting situation about Einstein was that he failed the 4th grade but we all know how much he gave to the world. The same way here. Any of us can give a little to reach a goal for the benefit of all.
From: Sttoad <sttoad@...>
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:25 PM
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To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:25 PM
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On 2/10/2012 12:08 PM, Bernie Heere wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark!
>
> At times I do wonder if anyone is even reading the posts!
>
> Bernie
>
I read every post! But I am in a situation where I do not have an old
vehicle except for a 1990 Holiday Rambler motor home with 17 thousand
miles that gets 6-8 Mpg. The mileage is low because I cannot afford to
drive it. It has a 7.4 liter gas engine that I have modified with HEI,
MSD and Brooks intake. The exhaust is a free flow with no restriction.
My other vehicles are newer Toyotas 2002 and 2004 so the cost for
conversion is not worth the troubles fighting with 02 sensors and all
the computer crap. I would love to be able to drive the motor home but I
cannot afford it. Even a 20% increase only means at the most one more
mile per gallon. Then there is the other side of the equation the
excess moisture in the exhaust creates excess acid that eats up the
pipes. So unless the fuel savings compensates for the other costs and
makes a benefit in the long run the trouble does not seem worth it.
Trust me I have looked into every gas savings product out there. I have
spent thousands on every gas saving gimmick since the mid 70s I have
paid well for and learned that little fans and magnets will not give
significant gas improvement. If they had I would have been stopping off
at gas stations to deliver all the gas I should have been making.
Two products I have used that actually worked were Aircraft ingniter
plugs available in the mid 70s and water injection which the automotive
engineers made unusable in newer vehicles. Damned o2 sensors. Today's
spark plugs now pretty well do the same job as the igniter plugs of the
70s. I have also added HEI and MSD, the MSD seems to help a bit in Horse
Power increases.
In WW2 Geet was used to power tractors in France. I have looked into
this and except for small engines of low horse power it is not feasible.
So back to the dust laden drawing board.
I have meddled with HHO but again those damned O2 sensors and the
constant need for adjustment as well as the square wave generators to
improve the cracking of the molecules are a pain in the butt. Plus the
minor explosions because a truly safe way to store the gas is not
feasible and then there is the spark arrester problem as well. The 10
to 15% gas increase is not worth the trouble around town and 15% on a 6
to 8 mpg motorhome that I cannot afford to drive anyway with the
increase in savings of less than 1 mpg, well any time I see something
new I check it out.
So I do read every post and at times I am impressed yet I am beginning
to believe that something else will come along before we can truly rid
ourselves from Elite domination of the fuel market.
Dan
>
> Thanks Mark!
>
> At times I do wonder if anyone is even reading the posts!
>
> Bernie
>
I read every post! But I am in a situation where I do not have an old
vehicle except for a 1990 Holiday Rambler motor home with 17 thousand
miles that gets 6-8 Mpg. The mileage is low because I cannot afford to
drive it. It has a 7.4 liter gas engine that I have modified with HEI,
MSD and Brooks intake. The exhaust is a free flow with no restriction.
My other vehicles are newer Toyotas 2002 and 2004 so the cost for
conversion is not worth the troubles fighting with 02 sensors and all
the computer crap. I would love to be able to drive the motor home but I
cannot afford it. Even a 20% increase only means at the most one more
mile per gallon. Then there is the other side of the equation the
excess moisture in the exhaust creates excess acid that eats up the
pipes. So unless the fuel savings compensates for the other costs and
makes a benefit in the long run the trouble does not seem worth it.
Trust me I have looked into every gas savings product out there. I have
spent thousands on every gas saving gimmick since the mid 70s I have
paid well for and learned that little fans and magnets will not give
significant gas improvement. If they had I would have been stopping off
at gas stations to deliver all the gas I should have been making.
Two products I have used that actually worked were Aircraft ingniter
plugs available in the mid 70s and water injection which the automotive
engineers made unusable in newer vehicles. Damned o2 sensors. Today's
spark plugs now pretty well do the same job as the igniter plugs of the
70s. I have also added HEI and MSD, the MSD seems to help a bit in Horse
Power increases.
In WW2 Geet was used to power tractors in France. I have looked into
this and except for small engines of low horse power it is not feasible.
So back to the dust laden drawing board.
I have meddled with HHO but again those damned O2 sensors and the
constant need for adjustment as well as the square wave generators to
improve the cracking of the molecules are a pain in the butt. Plus the
minor explosions because a truly safe way to store the gas is not
feasible and then there is the spark arrester problem as well. The 10
to 15% gas increase is not worth the trouble around town and 15% on a 6
to 8 mpg motorhome that I cannot afford to drive anyway with the
increase in savings of less than 1 mpg, well any time I see something
new I check it out.
So I do read every post and at times I am impressed yet I am beginning
to believe that something else will come along before we can truly rid
ourselves from Elite domination of the fuel market.
Dan
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