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#28397 From: Lee <bonsaicatto@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] magnetism and rotating field
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Everybody keeps pointing at this technology and thinking that is real and try to build one.  They never know until they build it that there is no such thing as a free lunch.  The system, if recharged, will rotate forever.  If it is not recharged it will slowly come to a stop.  I know this because D.. built a very accurate one and it worked for awhile but it always came to a stop a week or so later.  Tesla was testing his multi phase motor idea, not building an over unity machine.

Lee

On Nov 18, 2009, at 4:14, "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...> wrote:

 

Magnetic poles rotate in opposite directions:
North = anticlockwise =negative
South = clockwise =positive

Tesla discovered that permanent magnetic poles could be created in isolation(without current flow) by connecting together in opposing directions two like poles that had been induced 180 deg out of phase. (transformer secondary or possibly stationary wave from earth)

A north pole was these two like poles both rotating anticlockwise but flowing in opposite directions, one flowing in and the other flowing out the end of the pole.
A south pole was created exactly the same was only the poles were rotating clockwise.

A permanent magnet with a different pole at either end could than be explained as in the dead area in the center of the magnet (electro magnets don't have dead centers) the inflow of the north pole feeds into the outflow of the south pole and the inflow of the south pole feeds into the outflow of the north pole. This occurs because at the point of intersection they are rotating and flowing in the same direction even though they are different polarities.

(I had to get 4 pencils and rotate them to get this clear in my head)

Each pole of a permanent magnet therefore contains the opposing polarity flowing outward and rotating in the same direction.

A north pole contains a reversed south = negative is the same as a reversed positive

A south pole contains a reversed north =positive is the same as a reversed negative

When this convergence occurs across the dead point and the two flows of each independent pole connect to form a permanent magnet you end up with only two flows.

Break a permanent magnet anywhere along its length and all you are doing is shortening the distance between the poles.

A single pole created in isolation as described above produces the pole in question at the outer end and the opposing pole at the inner end, therefore a south pole can be created from two north poles and a north pole can be created from two south poles.

Tesla used this to create 4 isolated north poles per cycle or 4 isolated south poles per cycle from two alternating polarities.



#28396 From: "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:14 pm
Subject: magnetism and rotating field
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Magnetic poles rotate in opposite directions:
North = anticlockwise =negative
South = clockwise =positive

Tesla discovered that permanent magnetic poles could be created in
isolation(without current flow) by connecting together in opposing directions
two like poles that had been induced 180 deg out of phase.  (transformer
secondary or possibly stationary wave from earth)

A north pole was these two like poles both rotating anticlockwise but flowing in
opposite directions, one flowing in and the other flowing out the end of the
pole.
A south pole was created exactly the same was only the poles were rotating
clockwise.

A permanent magnet with a different pole at either end could than be explained 
as in the dead area in the center of the magnet (electro magnets don't have dead
centers) the inflow of the north pole feeds into the outflow of the south pole
and the inflow of the south pole feeds into the outflow of the north pole. This
occurs because at the point of intersection they are rotating and flowing in the
same direction even though they are different polarities.

(I had to get 4 pencils and rotate them to get this clear in my head)

Each pole of a permanent magnet therefore contains the opposing polarity flowing
outward and rotating in the same direction.

A north pole contains a reversed south = negative is the same as a reversed
positive

A south pole contains a reversed north =positive is the same as a reversed
negative

When this convergence occurs across the dead point and the two flows of each
independent pole connect to form a permanent magnet you end up with only two
flows.

Break a permanent magnet anywhere along its length and all you are doing is
shortening the distance between the poles.

A single pole created in isolation as described above produces the pole in
question at the outer end and the opposing pole at the inner end, therefore a
south pole can be created from two north poles and a north pole can be created
from two south poles.

Tesla used this to create 4 isolated north poles per cycle or 4 isolated south
poles per cycle from two alternating polarities.

#28395 From: Lee <bonsaicatto@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light [1 Attachment]
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Has anyone built one?  Don't the magnets need recharged otherwise the unit stops in a few weeks?  (...paraphrased from someone I know who has built one).  

Lee

On Nov 17, 2009, at 6:16, bob bell <bobbell2000@...> wrote:

 

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To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
From: taxman11111@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:19:01 +0000
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

 
Hi
Entire document uploaded to files section, title = Joe cell.doc, (rotating magnetic field pictures).
Also uploaded Teslas original diagram by ityself title = Image 2.jpg, (original rotating field diagram)
Cheers
Brett

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@...> wrote:
>
> Yahoo strips all attachments from the emails. I suggest that you upload the
> entire document to the files section. I really do want to see them.
>
> Bernie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...>
> To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:31 AM
> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
>
>
> > What Joe can't or won't tell you
> >
> > He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
> > (A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it
> > enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the
> > environment)
> >
> > The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!
> >
> > To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the
> > rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric
> > currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating
> > electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90
> > degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.
> >
> > What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field
> > is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet
> > and that it can be created without current flow.
> >
> > Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end
> > the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic
> > poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the
> > strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.
> >
> > (A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity
> > rectifier)
> >
> > Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent
> > magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting
> > two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg
> > out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity,
> > both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of
> > phase.
> >
> > Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the
> > frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of
> > alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec =
> > 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating
> > polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was
> > being produced at the output.
> >
> > Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric
> > current!
> >
> > The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be
> > stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a
> > cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate
> > itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the
> > use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral
> > plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields.
> > Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such
> > time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align
> > magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water
> > molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where
> > the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must
> > be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)
> >
> > Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the
> > unwanted attention of the authorities.
> >
> > Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this
> > permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make
> > everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.
> >
> > He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and
> > isolate their frequencies.
> >
> > The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency
> > that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can
> > disrupt it!!!)
> >
> > Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two
> > phase induction motor. Note that the original (first of the two diagrams
> > below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each
> > polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The
> > piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the
> > fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak
> > output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north
> > poles.
> >
> > The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity
> > alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing
> > power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the
> > phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase
> > diagram shows conventional electric currents.
> > The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the
> > alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional
> > alternating electric currents.
> >
> > (Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I
> > refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Brett
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>




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#28394 From: bob bell <bobbell2000@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:16 pm
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
From: taxman11111@...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:19:01 +0000
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

 
Hi
Entire document uploaded to files section, title = Joe cell.doc, (rotating magnetic field pictures).
Also uploaded Teslas original diagram by ityself title = Image 2.jpg, (original rotating field diagram)
Cheers
Brett

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@...> wrote:
>
> Yahoo strips all attachments from the emails. I suggest that you upload the
> entire document to the files section. I really do want to see them.
>
> Bernie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...>
> To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:31 AM
> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
>
>
> > What Joe can't or won't tell you
> >
> > He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
> > (A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it
> > enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the
> > environment)
> >
> > The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!
> >
> > To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the
> > rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric
> > currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating
> > electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90
> > degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.
> >
> > What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field
> > is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet
> > and that it can be created without current flow.
> >
> > Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end
> > the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic
> > poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the
> > strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.
> >
> > (A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity
> > rectifier)
> >
> > Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent
> > magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting
> > two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg
> > out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity,
> > both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of
> > phase.
> >
> > Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the
> > frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of
> > alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec =
> > 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating
> > polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was
> > being produced at the output.
> >
> > Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric
> > current!
> >
> > The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be
> > stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a
> > cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate
> > itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the
> > use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral
> > plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields.
> > Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such
> > time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align
> > magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water
> > molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where
> > the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must
> > be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)
> >
> > Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the
> > unwanted attention of the authorities.
> >
> > Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this
> > permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make
> > everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.
> >
> > He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and
> > isolate their frequencies.
> >
> > The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency
> > that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can
> > disrupt it!!!)
> >
> > Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two
> > phase induction motor. Note that the original (first of the two diagrams
> > below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each
> > polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The
> > piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the
> > fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak
> > output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north
> > poles.
> >
> > The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity
> > alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing
> > power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the
> > phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase
> > diagram shows conventional electric currents.
> > The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the
> > alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional
> > alternating electric currents.
> >
> > (Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I
> > refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Brett
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>




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#28393 From: "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:19 am
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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Hi
Entire document uploaded to files section, title = Joe cell.doc, (rotating
magnetic field pictures).
Also uploaded Teslas original diagram by ityself title = Image 2.jpg, (original
rotating field diagram)
Cheers
Brett

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
wrote:
>
> Yahoo strips all attachments from the emails. I suggest that you upload the
> entire document to the files section. I really do want to see them.
>
> Bernie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...>
> To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:31 AM
> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
>
>
> > What Joe can't or won't tell you
> >
> > He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
> > (A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it
> > enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the
> > environment)
> >
> > The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!
> >
> > To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the
> > rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric
> > currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating
> > electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90
> > degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.
> >
> > What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field
> > is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet
> > and that it can be created without current flow.
> >
> > Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end
> > the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic
> > poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the
> > strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.
> >
> > (A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity
> > rectifier)
> >
> > Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent
> > magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting
> > two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg
> > out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity,
> > both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of
> > phase.
> >
> > Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the
> > frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of
> > alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec =
> > 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating
> > polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was
> > being produced at the output.
> >
> > Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric
> > current!
> >
> > The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be
> > stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a
> > cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate
> > itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the
> > use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral
> > plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields.
> > Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such
> > time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align
> > magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water
> > molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where
> > the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must
> > be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)
> >
> > Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the
> > unwanted attention of the authorities.
> >
> > Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this
> > permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make
> > everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.
> >
> > He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and
> > isolate their frequencies.
> >
> > The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency
> > that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can
> > disrupt it!!!)
> >
> > Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two
> > phase induction motor.  Note that the original (first of the two diagrams
> > below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each
> > polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The
> > piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the
> > fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak
> > output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north
> > poles.
> >
> > The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity
> > alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing
> > power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the
> > phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase
> > diagram shows conventional electric currents.
> > The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the
> > alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional
> > alternating electric currents.
> >
> > (Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I
> > refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Brett
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

#28392 From: Niklas Svensson <nicke_dirtbike@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:23 am
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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Hi!

Here is a few sites wher you can upload your photos:
http://imageshack.us/
http://photobucket.com/
http://www.flickr.com

Ther is hundreds of more sites but this is a few, or you can upload them in the grops and just tell us the name of the album you put them in.

Niklas


To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
From: bobbell2000@...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:40:09 +0000
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

 
Note :- save one page drawings or pics as j-pegs and you can attache to e-mail .when clicked on you can save it and enlarge it if ness,if you click on the picture it will take you to the picture filed away on site.I cannot understand why we dont have more pics icluded in emails would slimply things,just a thought Bob 
 


To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
From: taxman11111@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:31:50 +0000
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

 
What Joe can't or won't tell you

He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
(A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the environment)

The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!

To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90 degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.

What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet and that it can be created without current flow.

Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.

(A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity rectifier)

Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity, both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of phase.

Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec = 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was being produced at the output.

Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric current!

The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields. Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)

Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the unwanted attention of the authorities.

Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.

He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and isolate their frequencies.

The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can disrupt it!!!)

Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two phase induction motor. Note that the original (first of the two diagrams below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north poles.

The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase diagram shows conventional electric currents.
The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional alternating electric currents.

(Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)

Cheers!
Brett




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#28391 From: Non Ya <jkjkool@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:32 am
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Goethe
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I might point out his debtors took him to court and he had to sell his giant transmitter tower as scrap to pay them.

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From: Ron <Runningbare@...>
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Goethe
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 3:46 AM

 
Anthony,

It was Marconi, over patent rights to wireless communications. Ruling favorable for Tesla came post-humously.
Now will you kindly answer my question about all that time Tesla & Schauberger spent together?
Thanks,
Ron

--- In joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com, mac mac <awe53721@.. .> wrote:
>
> Hey Ron. I've been reading your texts for quite some time now and
> wish to say well done. Your understanding is almost complete. Have
> you used the JC to influence the weather yet. It's a great capacitor
> and very receptive of emotions. May I ask you this, whom did Tesla
> take to court and why ?
>
> On 17 Nov 2009, at 8:37 AM, Ron wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello Anthony,
> >
> > Can't resist fleshing out your story a little bit about the moment
> > of conception for the alternating current motor. Most of the
> > biographies relate that some unmeasurable part of the credit
> > belongs to Johann Goethe for precipitating the inspiration. Tesla
> > was having a walk at sunset in a Budapest city park with his former
> > classmate and friend Szigety. He was reciting the following
> > translated passage from Goethe's Faust when struck by the blinding
> > flash of inspiration that revealed to him the epochal principle of
> > the rotating magnetic field:
> >
> > "The glow retreats, done is the day of toil
> > It yonder hastes, new fields of life exploring
> > Ah, that no wing can lift me from the soil
> > Upon its track to follow, follow soaring
> >
> > A glorious dream! Though now the glories fade
> > Alas! the wings that lift the mind no aid
> > Of wings to lift the body can bequeath me"
> >
> > It would not be for another six years that Tesla finally presented
> > the ideas gained in this instant to the American Society of
> > Electrical Engineers.
> >
> > Anthony, could you please document, i.e. reveal your sources for
> > the association between Tesla and Schauberger? For you, this
> > information may not be hidden, but I have never run across it--
> > certainly not from his foremost biographer and student, Callum
> > Coates. Likewise for anything that you may have come across for
> > contacts between Schauberger and Steiner?
> >
> > At the current accelerated rate of devolution, the state of affairs
> > begins to feel like too little information, too late. We've been
> > "protected" from too much truth for too long now.
> > For now, my search begins with you.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > __._,_
> >
>



#28390 From: "Ron" <Runningbare@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:46 am
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Goethe
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Anthony,

     It was Marconi, over patent rights to wireless communications. Ruling
favorable for Tesla came post-humously.
     Now will you kindly answer my question about all that time Tesla &
Schauberger spent together?
Thanks,
Ron

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, mac mac <awe53721@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Ron. I've been reading your texts for quite some time now and
> wish to say well done. Your understanding is almost complete. Have
> you used the JC to influence the weather yet. It's a great capacitor
> and very receptive of emotions. May I ask you this, whom did Tesla
> take to court and why ?
>
> On 17 Nov 2009, at 8:37 AM, Ron wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello Anthony,
> >
> > Can't resist fleshing out your story a little bit about the moment
> > of conception for the alternating current motor. Most of the
> > biographies relate that some unmeasurable part of the credit
> > belongs to Johann Goethe for precipitating the inspiration. Tesla
> > was having a walk at sunset in a Budapest city park with his former
> > classmate and friend Szigety. He was reciting the following
> > translated passage from Goethe's Faust when struck by the blinding
> > flash of inspiration that revealed to him the epochal principle of
> > the rotating magnetic field:
> >
> > "The glow retreats, done is the day of toil
> > It yonder hastes, new fields of life exploring
> > Ah, that no wing can lift me from the soil
> > Upon its track to follow, follow soaring
> >
> > A glorious dream! Though now the glories fade
> > Alas! the wings that lift the mind no aid
> > Of wings to lift the body can bequeath me"
> >
> > It would not be for another six years that Tesla finally presented
> > the ideas gained in this instant to the American Society of
> > Electrical Engineers.
> >
> > Anthony, could you please document, i.e. reveal your sources for
> > the association between Tesla and Schauberger? For you, this
> > information may not be hidden, but I have never run across it--
> > certainly not from his foremost biographer and student, Callum
> > Coates. Likewise for anything that you may have come across for
> > contacts between Schauberger and Steiner?
> >
> > At the current accelerated rate of devolution, the state of affairs
> > begins to feel like too little information, too late. We've been
> > "protected" from too much truth for too long now.
> > For now, my search begins with you.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > __._,_
> >
>

#28389 From: mac mac <awe53721@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:39 am
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Goethe
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Hey Ron. I've been reading your texts for quite some time now and wish to say well done. Your understanding is almost complete. Have you used the JC to influence the weather yet. It's a great capacitor and very receptive of emotions. May I ask you this, whom did Tesla take to court and why ?

On 17 Nov 2009, at 8:37 AM, Ron wrote:

 



Hello Anthony,

Can't resist fleshing out your story a little bit about the moment of conception for the alternating current motor. Most of the biographies relate that some unmeasurable part of the credit belongs to Johann Goethe for precipitating the inspiration. Tesla was having a walk at sunset in a Budapest city park with his former classmate and friend Szigety. He was reciting the following translated passage from Goethe's Faust when struck by the blinding flash of inspiration that revealed to him the epochal principle of the rotating magnetic field:

"The glow retreats, done is the day of toil
It yonder hastes, new fields of life exploring
Ah, that no wing can lift me from the soil
Upon its track to follow, follow soaring

A glorious dream! Though now the glories fade
Alas! the wings that lift the mind no aid
Of wings to lift the body can bequeath me"

It would not be for another six years that Tesla finally presented the ideas gained in this instant to the American Society of Electrical Engineers.

Anthony, could you please document, i.e. reveal your sources for the association between Tesla and Schauberger? For you, this information may not be hidden, but I have never run across it--certainly not from his foremost biographer and student, Callum Coates. Likewise for anything that you may have come across for contacts between Schauberger and Steiner?

At the current accelerated rate of devolution, the state of affairs begins to feel like too little information, too late. We've been "protected" from too much truth for too long now.
For now, my search begins with you.

Ron



#28388 From: Non Ya <jkjkool@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Goethe
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OOOH the plot thickens....
 
I too am interested in the link between Schauberger and Tesla.
KP

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Ron <Runningbare@...> wrote:

From: Ron <Runningbare@...>
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Goethe
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 9:37 PM

 


--- In joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com, mac mac <awe53721@.. .> wrote:
>
> Dear Brett,
> Thank you for the point of view you have put forward, it is
> relevant, however my investigation( s) into the JC and its many
> aspects lead me to this information you have mentioned.
> An account of Teslas' life in the early years tells the story of the
> young engineer Being almost dumbstruck by a sunset. The critical
> moment that he (Tesla) put two and 2 together and discovered the
> understanding of vortex phenomena and high pressure, low temperature,
> one of the principals behind his motor design(s). Nicloa also spent
> quite some time with Victor Schauberger.
> My friend this information is not hidden. Merely set aside so as
> not to confuse the tepid traveller of historical events.
> You might agree that too much information too soon can do more harm
> then good. If I might be so vulgar, you are on the right track. Keep
> searching.
>
> The truth is out there.
>
> Anthony.
>
Hello Anthony,

Can't resist fleshing out your story a little bit about the moment of conception for the alternating current motor. Most of the biographies relate that some unmeasurable part of the credit belongs to Johann Goethe for precipitating the inspiration. Tesla was having a walk at sunset in a Budapest city park with his former classmate and friend Szigety. He was reciting the following translated passage from Goethe's Faust when struck by the blinding flash of inspiration that revealed to him the epochal principle of the rotating magnetic field:

"The glow retreats, done is the day of toil
It yonder hastes, new fields of life exploring
Ah, that no wing can lift me from the soil
Upon its track to follow, follow soaring

A glorious dream! Though now the glories fade
Alas! the wings that lift the mind no aid
Of wings to lift the body can bequeath me"

It would not be for another six years that Tesla finally presented the ideas gained in this instant to the American Society of Electrical Engineers.

Anthony, could you please document, i.e. reveal your sources for the association between Tesla and Schauberger? For you, this information may not be hidden, but I have never run across it--certainly not from his foremost biographer and student, Callum Coates. Likewise for anything that you may have come across for contacts between Schauberger and Steiner?

At the current accelerated rate of devolution, the state of affairs begins to feel like too little information, too late. We've been "protected" from too much truth for too long now.
For now, my search begins with you.

Ron



#28387 From: Non Ya <jkjkool@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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Interesting Brett, although i don't fully follow. But, I believe the pictures will help clarify.
 
KP

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, taxman11111 <taxman11111@...> wrote:

From: taxman11111 <taxman11111@...>
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:31 PM

 
What Joe can't or won't tell you

He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
(A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the environment)

The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!

To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90 degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.

What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet and that it can be created without current flow.

Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.

(A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity rectifier)

Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity, both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of phase.

Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec = 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was being produced at the output.

Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric current!

The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields. Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)

Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the unwanted attention of the authorities.

Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.

He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and isolate their frequencies.

The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can disrupt it!!!)

Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two phase induction motor. Note that the original (first of the two diagrams below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north poles.

The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase diagram shows conventional electric currents.
The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional alternating electric currents.

(Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)

Cheers!
Brett



#28386 From: "Ron" <Runningbare@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:37 pm
Subject: Goethe
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--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, mac mac <awe53721@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Brett,
>   Thank you for the point of view you have put forward, it is
> relevant, however my investigation(s) into the JC and its many
> aspects lead me to this information you have mentioned.
> An account of Teslas' life in the early years tells the story of the
> young engineer Being almost dumbstruck by a sunset. The critical
> moment that he (Tesla) put two and 2 together and discovered the
> understanding of vortex phenomena and high pressure, low temperature,
> one of the principals behind his motor design(s). Nicloa also spent
> quite some time with Victor Schauberger.
>   My friend this information is not hidden. Merely set aside so as
> not to confuse the tepid traveller of historical events.
> You might agree that too much information too soon can do more harm
> then good. If I might be so vulgar, you are on the right track. Keep
> searching.
>
>   The truth is out there.
>
>   Anthony.
>
Hello Anthony,

	 Can't resist fleshing out your story a little bit about the moment of
conception for the alternating current motor. Most of the biographies relate
that some unmeasurable part of the credit belongs to Johann Goethe for
precipitating the inspiration. Tesla was having a walk at sunset in a Budapest
city park with his former classmate and friend Szigety. He was reciting the
following translated passage from Goethe's Faust when struck by the blinding
flash of inspiration that revealed to him the epochal  principle of the rotating
magnetic field:

"The glow retreats, done is the day of toil
It yonder hastes, new fields of life exploring
Ah, that no wing can lift me from the soil
Upon its track to follow, follow soaring

A glorious dream!  Though now the glories fade
Alas! the wings that lift the mind no aid
Of wings to lift the body can bequeath me"

It would not be for another six years that Tesla finally presented the ideas
gained in this instant to the American Society of Electrical Engineers.

Anthony, could you please document, i.e. reveal your sources for the association
between Tesla and Schauberger? For you, this information may not be hidden, but
I have never run across it--certainly not from his foremost biographer and
student, Callum Coates.  Likewise for anything that you may have come across for
contacts between Schauberger and Steiner?

At the current accelerated rate of devolution, the state of affairs begins to
feel like too little information, too late. We've been "protected" from too much
truth for too long now.
For now, my search begins with you.

Ron

#28385 From: "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
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Igor,
 
Not really. But there needs to be some definition applied to the word "charging". The small electrolysis cell that I use to prep the water does energize the water, so I guess that the word charging would apply here. In the JC, the low voltage/current is more about organizing the molecular clusters into a coherent structure, thereby organizing the field around and within the cell.
 
At the current time I use a simple 555 pulseing circuit running at 5 hz to actually "fire up" the cells. This seems to work well for me.
 
Bernie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Igor
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging

Hi Bernie,
 
Thank you for advise. But just one more question: is there difference between charging with PSU ore battery?
 
Igor
 

--- Ð’Ñ, 15.11.09, Bernie <bernieheere@...> пишет:

От: Bernie <bernieheere@...>
Тема: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
Кому: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Дата: ВоÑкреÑенье, 15 ноÑбрь 2009, 23:16

 
Igor,
 
40 ma at 12 volts is pretty typical, and is enough to charge up the cell, provided you use prepped water. I think most people are now using a small electrolysis cell to prep the water prior to putting it in the Joe cell. There are a couple documents that I put in the files section that discuss this.
 
Bernie
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Igor
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging

Hi All,

At last I have builded my first joecell. But I worry about one thing. When I charge my cell, current is not high than 40mA. Water pH is approximately 6, voltage is 12V. I charge during a 1-2 minutes period, 2-3 times per day.. I use rule: minus is connected first and disconnected the last.

Is it normal current? I'm doing everything correctly?

How long does it takes to charge up to stage 3?

Igor




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#28384 From: Igor <t.igor@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:52 pm
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
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Thanks Mike?
I have patience.

--- Пн, 16.11.09, Mike Sienkiewicz <gorzow@...> пишет:

От: Mike Sienkiewicz <gorzow@...>
Тема: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
Кому: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Дата: Понедельник, 16 ноÑбрь 2009, 5:45

 

HI. Igor

It took me three years to get to stage 3.

Mike

To: joecellfreeenergyde vice@yahoogroups .com
From: t.igor@ymail. com
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:56:23 -0800
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging

 

Hi All,

At last I have builded my first joecell. But I worry about one thing. When I charge my cell, current is not high than 40mA. Water pH is approximately 6, voltage is 12V. I charge during a 1-2 minutes period, 2-3 times per day. I use rule: minus is connected first and disconnected the last.

Is it normal current? I'm doing everything correctly?

How long does it takes to charge up to stage 3?

Igor




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#28383 From: Igor <t.igor@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
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Hi Bernie,
 
Thank you for advise. But just one more question: is there difference between charging with PSU ore battery?
 
Igor
 

--- Ð’Ñ, 15.11.09, Bernie <bernieheere@...> пишет:

От: Bernie <bernieheere@...>
Тема: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
Кому: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Дата: ВоÑкреÑенье, 15 ноÑбрь 2009, 23:16

 
Igor,
 
40 ma at 12 volts is pretty typical, and is enough to charge up the cell, provided you use prepped water. I think most people are now using a small electrolysis cell to prep the water prior to putting it in the Joe cell. There are a couple documents that I put in the files section that discuss this.
 
Bernie
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Igor
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging

Hi All,

At last I have builded my first joecell. But I worry about one thing. When I charge my cell, current is not high than 40mA. Water pH is approximately 6, voltage is 12V. I charge during a 1-2 minutes period, 2-3 times per day.. I use rule: minus is connected first and disconnected the last.

Is it normal current? I'm doing everything correctly?

How long does it takes to charge up to stage 3?

Igor




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#28382 From: "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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Bob,
 
Yahoo strips all attachment from emails. However if the picture is included in the text rather than attached to it they usually come through. However, I would still prefer that documents of this type be uploaded to the files section to keep them readily available for the long term.
 
Bernie
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bob bell
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

Note :- save one page drawings or pics as j-pegs and you can attache to e-mail .when clicked on you can save it and enlarge it if ness,if you click on the picture it will take you to the picture filed away on site.I cannot understand why we dont have more pics icluded in emails would slimply things,just a thought Bob 
 

To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
From: taxman11111@...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:31:50 +0000
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

 
What Joe can't or won't tell you

He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
(A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the environment)

The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!

To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90 degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.

What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet and that it can be created without current flow.

Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end the magnetic fie ld rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.

(A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity rectifier)

Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity, both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of phase.

Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec = 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a ! co nstant polarity was being produced at the output.

Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric current!

The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields. Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)
Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the unwanted attention of the authorities.

Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.

He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and isolate their frequencies.

The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can disrupt it!!!)

Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two phase induction motor. Note that the original (first of the two diagrams below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the fluid diagram at the sa! me time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north poles.

The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase diagram shows conventional electric currents.
The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional alternating electric currents.

(Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)

Cheers!
Brett




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#28381 From: bob bell <bobbell2000@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:40 pm
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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Note :- save one page drawings or pics as j-pegs and you can attache to e-mail .when clicked on you can save it and enlarge it if ness,if you click on the picture it will take you to the picture filed away on site.I cannot understand why we dont have more pics icluded in emails would slimply things,just a thought Bob 
 

To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
From: taxman11111@...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:31:50 +0000
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

 
What Joe can't or won't tell you

He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
(A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the environment)

The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!

To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90 degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.

What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet and that it can be created without current flow.

Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.

(A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity rectifier)

Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity, both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of phase.

Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec = 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was being produced at the output.

Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric current!

The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields. Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)

Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the unwanted attention of the authorities.

Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.

He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and isolate their frequencies.

The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can disrupt it!!!)

Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two phase induction motor. Note that the original (first of the two diagrams below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north poles.

The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase diagram shows conventional electric currents.
The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional alternating electric currents.

(Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)

Cheers!
Brett




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#28380 From: "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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From: "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...>
To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:31 AM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light


> What Joe can't or won't tell you
>
> He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
> (A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it
> enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the
> environment)
>
> The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!
>
> To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the
> rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric
> currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating
> electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90
> degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.
>
> What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field
> is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet
> and that it can be created without current flow.
>
> Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end
> the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic
> poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the
> strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.
>
> (A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity
> rectifier)
>
> Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent
> magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting
> two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg
> out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity,
> both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of
> phase.
>
> Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the
> frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of
> alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec =
> 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating
> polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was
> being produced at the output.
>
> Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric
> current!
>
> The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be
> stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a
> cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate
> itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the
> use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral
> plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields.
> Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such
> time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align
> magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water
> molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where
> the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must
> be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)
>
> Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the
> unwanted attention of the authorities.
>
> Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this
> permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make
> everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.
>
> He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and
> isolate their frequencies.
>
> The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency
> that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can
> disrupt it!!!)
>
> Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two
> phase induction motor.  Note that the original (first of the two diagrams
> below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each
> polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The
> piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the
> fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak
> output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north
> poles.
>
> The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity
> alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing
> power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the
> phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase
> diagram shows conventional electric currents.
> The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the
> alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional
> alternating electric currents.
>
> (Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I
> refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)
>
> Cheers!
> Brett
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#28379 From: bob bell <bobbell2000@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: FW: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
From: taxman11111@...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:31:50 +0000
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light

 
What Joe can't or won't tell you

He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
(A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the environment)

The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!

To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the rotating magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric currents each confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating electro magnetic poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90 degrees to each other causing the motor to rotate.

What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field is actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet and that it can be created without current flow.

Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end the magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic poles. The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the strength of and maintains the magnetic poles.

(A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity rectifier)

Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting two separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg out of phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity, both alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of phase.

Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the frequency at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of alternation of the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec = 200 poles/sec. Like the permanent magnet the mains was alternating polarity each half cycle but correctly rectified a constant polarity was being produced at the output.

Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric current!

The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be stored on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a cell. Stainless is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate itself and so the magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the use of neutral plates to layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral plates are located in the dead area in the centre of the magnetic fields. Impurities in cell water cause conduction and current flows until such time the action of the cell removes them allowing the water to align magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell action (ripping water molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point is reached where the reaction rate increases exponentially so free electrons/current must be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)

Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the unwanted attention of the authorities.

Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this permanent magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make everyone and everything unique from everything else on the planet.

He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and isolate their frequencies.

The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency that makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can disrupt it!!!)

Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two phase induction motor. Note that the original (first of the two diagrams below) actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each polarity half a cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The piston producing power reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time as the phase diagram below it reaches peak output in that direction. The phase diagram is actually showing four north poles.

The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity alternating at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing power are only at half stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the phase diagram below it reaches peak output on that direction. This phase diagram shows conventional electric currents.
The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional alternating electric currents.

(Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)

Cheers!
Brett




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#28378 From: mac mac <awe53721@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Thought this might shed some light
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Dear Brett,
 Thank you for the point of view you have put forward, it is relevant, however my investigation(s) into the JC and its many aspects lead me to this information you have mentioned.
An account of Teslas' life in the early years tells the story of the young engineer Being almost dumbstruck by a sunset. The critical moment that he (Tesla) put two and 2 together and discovered the understanding of vortex phenomena and high pressure, low temperature, one of the principals behind his motor design(s). Nicloa also spent quite some time with Victor Schauberger.
 My friend this information is not hidden. Merely set aside so as not to confuse the tepid traveller of historical events.
You might agree that too much information too soon can do more harm then good. If I might be so vulgar, you are on the right track. Keep searching.

 The truth is out there.

 Anthony.


On 17 Nov 2009, at 12:31 AM, taxman11111 wrote:

 

What Joe can't or won't tell you

He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
(A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it enables the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the environment)

The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!
am was produced after his death and serves to confuse the alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional alternating electric currents.

(Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I refer to above as they will not paste onto here?)

Cheers!
Brett





#28377 From: "taxman11111" <taxman11111@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:31 pm
Subject: Thought this might shed some light
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What Joe can't or won't tell you

He has discovered the real truth behind Tesla's rotating magnetic field.
(A truth that has been deliberately buried for over 100 years because it enables
the creation of a magnetic monopoles to draw energy from the environment)

The "rotating magnetic field" was never just the electric motor!

To make his electric motor rotate Tesla applied the principles of the rotating
magnetic field but used two out of phase alternating electric currents each
confined to a separate two wire circuit to produce rotating electro magnetic
poles in the stator coils and than spaced them at 90 degrees to each other
causing the motor to rotate.

What has remained buried for so long is that the rotating magnetic field is
actually Tesla's description of what occurs within a permanent magnet and that
it can be created without current flow.

Tesla discovered that although constant poles are maintained at either end the
magnetic field rotates constantly within or between permanent magnetic poles.
The frequency at which this internal rotation occurs determines the strength of
and maintains the magnetic poles.

(A permanent magnet could be described as a type of magnetic/polarity rectifier)

Tesla was able to recreate the rotating magnetic field within a permanent
magnetic pole and hence the constant magnetic/polar output by connecting two
separate phases of alternating polarity (not current) together 90 deg out of
phase on a single output wire. The two phases were same polarity, both
alternating and both induced at the same time but 180 deg out of phase.

Tesla used the mains supply as a source of alternating polarity so the frequency
at which the internal field rotated was governed by the rate of alternation of
the mains. Output is 4 poles per cycle x 50 cycles/sec = 200 poles/sec. Like the
permanent magnet the mains was alternating polarity each half cycle but
correctly rectified a constant polarity was being produced at the output.

Tesla could create a permanent magnetic pole in isolation without electric
current!

The cell may or may not have been Joe's idea but the single pole can be stored
on the surface of a non magnetic stainless steel plate inside a cell. Stainless
is used so the opposing pole is not induced in the plate itself and so the
magnetic field can pass through the plate enabling the use of neutral plates to
layer magnetic fields over each other. Neutral plates are located in the dead
area in the centre of the magnetic fields. Impurities in cell water cause
conduction and current flows until such time the action of the cell removes them
allowing the water to align magnetically. (Note once aligned and charged cell
action (ripping water molecules apart) becomes self sustaining however a point
is reached where the reaction rate increases exponentially so free
electrons/current must be drawn off to stop huge discharges!)

Here is why if anyone starts playing with this in earnest they attract the
unwanted attention of the authorities.

Tesla was able to establish that it was the frequency at which this permanent
magnetic field rotated that produced the vibrations that make everyone and
everything unique from everything else on the planet.

He built his magnifying transmitter to magnify these minute vibrations and
isolate their frequencies.

The downside of this is that if you can isolate the particular frequency that
makes a material or even a person what or who they are, you can disrupt it!!!)

Tesla produced what he called the hydraulic analogue diagram of the two phase
induction motor.  Note that the original (first of the two diagrams below)
actually shows two phases both of alternating polarity each polarity half a
cycle in duration but alternating at peak output. The piston producing power
reaches the top (or bottom) of its stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time
as the phase diagram below it reaches peak output in that direction. The phase
diagram is actually showing four north poles.

The amended diagram (second of the two diagrams below) has polarity alternating
at the reference or zero flow line. The pistons producing power are only at half
stroke in the fluid diagram at the same time the phase diagram below it reaches
peak output on that direction. This phase diagram shows conventional electric
currents.
The second diagram was produced after his death and serves to confuse the
alternating polarities of the permanent magnetic field with conventional
alternating electric currents.

(Can someone advise how to successfully post the two scanned images I refer to
above as they will not paste onto here?)

Cheers!
Brett

#28376 From: Mike Sienkiewicz <gorzow@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:45 am
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
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HI. Igor

It took me three years to get to stage 3.

Mike

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From: t.igor@...
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:56:23 -0800
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging

 

Hi All,

At last I have builded my first joecell. But I worry about one thing. When I charge my cell, current is not high than 40mA. Water pH is approximately 6, voltage is 12V. I charge during a 1-2 minutes period, 2-3 times per day. I use rule: minus is connected first and disconnected the last.

Is it normal current? I'm doing everything correctly?

How long does it takes to charge up to stage 3?

Igor




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#28374 From: "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging
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Igor,
 
40 ma at 12 volts is pretty typical, and is enough to charge up the cell, provided you use prepped water. I think most people are now using a small electrolysis cell to prep the water prior to putting it in the Joe cell. There are a couple documents that I put in the files section that discuss this.
 
Bernie
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Igor
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] cell charging

Hi All,

At last I have builded my first joecell. But I worry about one thing. When I charge my cell, current is not high than 40mA. Water pH is approximately 6, voltage is 12V. I charge during a 1-2 minutes period, 2-3 times per day. I use rule: minus is connected first and disconnected the last.

Is it normal current? I'm doing everything correctly?

How long does it takes to charge up to stage 3?

Igor




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#28373 From: Igor <t.igor@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:56 pm
Subject: cell charging
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Hi All,

At last I have builded my first joecell. But I worry about one thing. When I charge my cell, current is not high than 40mA. Water pH is approximately 6, voltage is 12V. I charge during a 1-2 minutes period, 2-3 times per day. I use rule: minus is connected first and disconnected the last.

Is it normal current? I'm doing everything correctly?

How long does it takes to charge up to stage 3?

Igor




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#28372 From: "Tony Geron" <tonygeron@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:43 am
Subject: RE: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Apology to Adrian by Robert W Hull
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Thank you Robert, well said!  I forwarded privately to Adrian.
 
Warm Regards,
 
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From: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robert_hull2001
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:04 PM
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Apology to Adrian by Robert W Hull

 

Adrian,
I want to publicly apologize to you, Adrian, on this forum, concerning our previous differences.
These past few months, whereas documentation by the US Government declared the HULL EFFECT a "new field of study"...as it relates to the internal combustion engine.
We have documented the "HULL EFFECT" so that, degreed people scholars,, can study it, and define it, within an academic setting.

I summized, in the past, you were purposely trying to destroy my work, when in fact, it did not exist in history.
That has cost several tens of thousands of dollars to hire lawyers to do the world wide research to convince me, this is the truth.
This was confirmed by PHD's I spoke with...some of world's best at this time....in the automotive world.

History will judge us both, as men who stood by the truth's they knew and trusted...neither backing down.
For those reasons, I will always respect you as a man.
An indication of deep conviction, deep character, and true honour.

I will also apologize to the members of this forum, who endured the battle of wills between Adrian and myself.


Sincerely,
Robert W Hull



#28371 From: "robert_hull2001" <robert_hull2001@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:04 am
Subject: Apology to Adrian by Robert W Hull
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Adrian,
  I want to publicly apologize to you, Adrian, on this forum, concerning our
previous differences.
   These past few months, whereas documentation by the US Government declared the
HULL EFFECT a "new field of study"...as it relates to the internal combustion
engine.
  We have documented the "HULL EFFECT" so that, degreed people scholars,, can
study it, and define it, within an academic setting.

  I summized, in the past, you were purposely trying to destroy my work, when in
fact, it did not exist in history.
  That has cost several tens of thousands of dollars to hire lawyers to do the
world wide research to convince me, this is the truth.
  This was confirmed by  PHD's I spoke with...some of world's best at this
time....in the automotive world.

  History will judge us both, as men who stood by the truth's they knew and
trusted...neither backing down.
  For those reasons, I will always respect you as a man.
  An indication of deep conviction, deep character, and true honour.

  I will also apologize to the members of this forum, who endured the battle of
wills between Adrian and myself.


  Sincerely,
  Robert W Hull

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Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:32 pm
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#28369 From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:33 am
Subject: Re: milk sepator cell stack .... umm ... ontopic??
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thanks heaps for that. i've removed the inside top cone, and seems to be ok
now... o rings and nitrile stips and all ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EArdvrBOsM

:) :) :)

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "RobertW" <rbw9nine@...> wrote:
>
>
> Will , if you have a vacuum pump connect it and smear stickaflex around joints
, vacuum will suck it into the  gaps and seal it( you will see where the leaks
are/were by where the glue goes  , and can then work on them if required).
>
> Robbo
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
wrote:
> >
> > hi guys .. i know this isnt joe cell exactly, but I had a question.
> >
> > as this joe cell thing was started with these cones, i was curious if ANYone
knows how to seal the damned thing.
> >
> > I am forever getting leaks around the bottom of it.
> > there's O rings, and nitrile stuffed in there, and ... bugger it... it still
leaks from the base ..
> >
> > the only thing im thinking so far is recirculating the lost water back into
the cell.
> >
> > have a peek at the assembly ... please ;)  hehe
> > Cheers guys .. love your work,
> > Will
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk2ow3KfSx0
> >
>

#28368 From: "RobertW" <rbw9nine@...>
Date: Sat Nov 7, 2009 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: milk sepator cell stack .... umm ... ontopic??
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Will , if you have a vacuum pump connect it and smear stickaflex around joints ,
vacuum will suck it into the  gaps and seal it( you will see where the leaks
are/were by where the glue goes  , and can then work on them if required).

Robbo

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
wrote:
>
> hi guys .. i know this isnt joe cell exactly, but I had a question.
>
> as this joe cell thing was started with these cones, i was curious if ANYone
knows how to seal the damned thing.
>
> I am forever getting leaks around the bottom of it.
> there's O rings, and nitrile stuffed in there, and ... bugger it... it still
leaks from the base ..
>
> the only thing im thinking so far is recirculating the lost water back into
the cell.
>
> have a peek at the assembly ... please ;)  hehe
> Cheers guys .. love your work,
> Will
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk2ow3KfSx0
>

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