Hi folks.

I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an electric motor
from a joe cell.

is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of them are
made.

I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.

Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is any truth
to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.

There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be awesome to
re-use them.

there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
would they work on the cell?

couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
Happy 2011 folks :)

Cheers,
Will

Some have lite an LED, as I recall, and, certainly, a cell will move the
needle on a voltmeter for a good while.  That would be the extent of it
as far as I know.

>  Hi folks.

I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an electric
motor from a joe cell.

is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of them
are made.

I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.

Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is
any truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.

There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be
awesome to re-use them.

there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
would they work on the cell?

couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
Happy 2011 folks :)

Cheers,
Will<

Will,

I doubt that there's a way to power an AC motor from a cell. The problem is
that the energy frequencies are simply too high. It is possible to extract
DC power from a cell through the use of high speed diodes. Sel was doing
some related type experiments. He wound a small coil that fit into the water
between the tubes, and rectified it to provide a little DC power. It might
be interesting to experiment with different coils used this way. My
intuition tells me that a Tesla type "pancake" coil might work well for
this. Don't know for sure since I've never tried it.

Brushcutters are likewise a poor choice, since the water jacket in the
engine is an integral part of running or boosting an engine. I'm sure there
are ways that it could be done with an air-cooled engine, but it would
likely require some significant mods to the engine. One could try wrapping
aluminum tubing full of water around the cylinder and give that a try. I
think that the water might have to be flowing, as it does in normal water
cooled engines, but I'm not sure of that.

Bernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:06 AM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor with a
joecell??


> Hi folks.
>
> I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an electric
> motor from a joe cell.
>
> is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
> I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of them
> are made.
>
> I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.
>
> Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is any
> truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.
>
> There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be awesome
> to re-use them.
>
> there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
> would they work on the cell?
>
> couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
> Happy 2011 folks :)
>
> Cheers,
> Will
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Bernie, Arno, Huuman,
thankyou for your responses!
they're much appeciated ;)

I just thought there might be some kinda way to resonate the motor from the cell
... ill look into the diode thing ;)

thankyou Bernie, with the water jacket stuff, that makes perfect sense to me now
you've said it.
I have never had my cells hooked to any engine as yet, I dont have the tops made
for them ... I keep checking the scrapyard for press on flange fittings.... as
buying them seems wayyy pricey.

how do you guys make the tops of your cells?
second hand recycled parts??
new parts??

thanks again :D
Will




--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
wrote:
>
> Will,
>
> I doubt that there's a way to power an AC motor from a cell. The problem is
> that the energy frequencies are simply too high. It is possible to extract
> DC power from a cell through the use of high speed diodes. Sel was doing
> some related type experiments. He wound a small coil that fit into the water
> between the tubes, and rectified it to provide a little DC power. It might
> be interesting to experiment with different coils used this way. My
> intuition tells me that a Tesla type "pancake" coil might work well for
> this. Don't know for sure since I've never tried it.
>
> Brushcutters are likewise a poor choice, since the water jacket in the
> engine is an integral part of running or boosting an engine. I'm sure there
> are ways that it could be done with an air-cooled engine, but it would
> likely require some significant mods to the engine. One could try wrapping
> aluminum tubing full of water around the cylinder and give that a try. I
> think that the water might have to be flowing, as it does in normal water
> cooled engines, but I'm not sure of that.
>
> Bernie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
> To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:06 AM
> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor with a
> joecell??
>
>
> > Hi folks.
> >
> > I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an electric
> > motor from a joe cell.
> >
> > is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
> > I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of them
> > are made.
> >
> > I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.
> >
> > Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is any
> > truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.
> >
> > There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be awesome
> > to re-use them.
> >
> > there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
> > would they work on the cell?
> >
> > couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
> > Happy 2011 folks :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Will,

I used an ss pet food dish for one. I found one that was just slightly
larger than 4" and simply sealed it on with sikaflex. They come in a lot of
shapes and sizes, but you need to check them for magnetic attraction. Some
are good, and some are crappy.

Bernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor with
a joecell??


> Bernie, Arno, Huuman,
> thankyou for your responses!
> they're much appeciated ;)
>
> I just thought there might be some kinda way to resonate the motor from
> the cell ... ill look into the diode thing ;)
>
> thankyou Bernie, with the water jacket stuff, that makes perfect sense to
> me now you've said it.
> I have never had my cells hooked to any engine as yet, I dont have the
> tops made for them ... I keep checking the scrapyard for press on flange
> fittings.... as buying them seems wayyy pricey.
>
> how do you guys make the tops of your cells?
> second hand recycled parts??
> new parts??
>
> thanks again :D
> Will
>
>
>
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Will,
>>
>> I doubt that there's a way to power an AC motor from a cell. The problem
>> is
>> that the energy frequencies are simply too high. It is possible to
>> extract
>> DC power from a cell through the use of high speed diodes. Sel was doing
>> some related type experiments. He wound a small coil that fit into the
>> water
>> between the tubes, and rectified it to provide a little DC power. It
>> might
>> be interesting to experiment with different coils used this way. My
>> intuition tells me that a Tesla type "pancake" coil might work well for
>> this. Don't know for sure since I've never tried it.
>>
>> Brushcutters are likewise a poor choice, since the water jacket in the
>> engine is an integral part of running or boosting an engine. I'm sure
>> there
>> are ways that it could be done with an air-cooled engine, but it would
>> likely require some significant mods to the engine. One could try
>> wrapping
>> aluminum tubing full of water around the cylinder and give that a try. I
>> think that the water might have to be flowing, as it does in normal water
>> cooled engines, but I'm not sure of that.
>>
>> Bernie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
>> To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:06 AM
>> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor with
>> a
>> joecell??
>>
>>
>> > Hi folks.
>> >
>> > I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an
>> > electric
>> > motor from a joe cell.
>> >
>> > is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
>> > I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of them
>> > are made.
>> >
>> > I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.
>> >
>> > Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is
>> > any
>> > truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.
>> >
>> > There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be
>> > awesome
>> > to re-use them.
>> >
>> > there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
>> > would they work on the cell?
>> >
>> > couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
>> > Happy 2011 folks :)
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Will
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

The top you can se in the beginning of this movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKihI8x4L8Q

my outside diameter is around 10 cm and that there fits a flange from a pond
pass. Inside that flange i mounted a stainless funnel
the funnel and the joecell are connected electrical trhough a 316 l wire
the joecel is 316ti seamless

No welding no scrapyard
al new material and even then you have to make effort for car operation, Into
that movie is also some old cellery from me you can see even with adds. But
nowadays i use 316 ti no adds only 12 volt or 6 volt 50ma

I added a whool jacket around it according to alex shiffer suggestion
the force that was at 4000 rpm moved down to 3000/2000 rpm. So the engine gets a
lot more power now

so far

arno

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
wrote:
>
> Bernie, Arno, Huuman,
> thankyou for your responses!
> they're much appeciated ;)
>
> I just thought there might be some kinda way to resonate the motor from the
cell ... ill look into the diode thing ;)
>
> thankyou Bernie, with the water jacket stuff, that makes perfect sense to me
now you've said it.
> I have never had my cells hooked to any engine as yet, I dont have the tops
made for them ... I keep checking the scrapyard for press on flange fittings....
as buying them seems wayyy pricey.
>
> how do you guys make the tops of your cells?
> second hand recycled parts??
> new parts??
>
> thanks again :D
> Will
>
>
>
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@> wrote:
> >
> > Will,
> >
> > I doubt that there's a way to power an AC motor from a cell. The problem is
> > that the energy frequencies are simply too high. It is possible to extract
> > DC power from a cell through the use of high speed diodes. Sel was doing
> > some related type experiments. He wound a small coil that fit into the water
> > between the tubes, and rectified it to provide a little DC power. It might
> > be interesting to experiment with different coils used this way. My
> > intuition tells me that a Tesla type "pancake" coil might work well for
> > this. Don't know for sure since I've never tried it.
> >
> > Brushcutters are likewise a poor choice, since the water jacket in the
> > engine is an integral part of running or boosting an engine. I'm sure there
> > are ways that it could be done with an air-cooled engine, but it would
> > likely require some significant mods to the engine. One could try wrapping
> > aluminum tubing full of water around the cylinder and give that a try. I
> > think that the water might have to be flowing, as it does in normal water
> > cooled engines, but I'm not sure of that.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
> > To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:06 AM
> > Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor with a
> > joecell??
> >
> >
> > > Hi folks.
> > >
> > > I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an electric
> > > motor from a joe cell.
> > >
> > > is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
> > > I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of them
> > > are made.
> > >
> > > I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.
> > >
> > > Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is any
> > > truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.
> > >
> > > There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be awesome
> > > to re-use them.
> > >
> > > there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
> > > would they work on the cell?
> > >
> > > couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
> > > Happy 2011 folks :)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Will
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

 

Bernie, Arno, Huuman,
thankyou for your responses!
they're much appeciated ;)

I just thought there might be some kinda way to resonate the motor from the cell ... ill look into the diode thing ;)

thankyou Bernie, with the water jacket stuff, that makes perfect sense to me now you've said it.
I have never had my cells hooked to any engine as yet, I dont have the tops made for them ... I keep checking the scrapyard for press on flange fittings.... as buying them seems wayyy pricey.

how do you guys make the tops of your cells?
second hand recycled parts??
new parts??

thanks again :D
Will

Brilliant :)  from what I could understand :)
google translator helps

I like your plastic brace for holding the cell.
I've started to play with pvc like that on the lathe just recently.
will post pics up soon.

is your cathode going through the stainless housing of the outer anode??

I'm going to try the rubber bung idea Peter put me onto, but I haven't got there
quite yet.
I've been stubbornly trying to to it with nylon bushings thru the stainless
outer anode :)

this is my site latest cell I filmed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP2Bo9yCDfA
running at 30vdc. you can see the inner pulsing, what you cant see is that all
the others are doing it too, but it is much more subtle :)

thanks for all your help!
much appreciated.
Cheers,
Will :)



--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Arno" <arno.waaijenberg@...>
wrote:
>
> The top you can se in the beginning of this movie
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKihI8x4L8Q
>
> my outside diameter is around 10 cm and that there fits a flange from a pond
pass. Inside that flange i mounted a stainless funnel
> the funnel and the joecell are connected electrical trhough a 316 l wire
> the joecel is 316ti seamless
>
> No welding no scrapyard
> al new material and even then you have to make effort for car operation, Into
that movie is also some old cellery from me you can see even with adds. But
nowadays i use 316 ti no adds only 12 volt or 6 volt 50ma
>
> I added a whool jacket around it according to alex shiffer suggestion
> the force that was at 4000 rpm moved down to 3000/2000 rpm. So the engine gets
a lot more power now
>
> so far
>
> arno
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, Arno, Huuman,
> > thankyou for your responses!
> > they're much appeciated ;)
> >
> > I just thought there might be some kinda way to resonate the motor from the
cell ... ill look into the diode thing ;)
> >
> > thankyou Bernie, with the water jacket stuff, that makes perfect sense to me
now you've said it.
> > I have never had my cells hooked to any engine as yet, I dont have the tops
made for them ... I keep checking the scrapyard for press on flange fittings....
as buying them seems wayyy pricey.
> >
> > how do you guys make the tops of your cells?
> > second hand recycled parts??
> > new parts??
> >
> > thanks again :D
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Will,
> > >
> > > I doubt that there's a way to power an AC motor from a cell. The problem
is
> > > that the energy frequencies are simply too high. It is possible to extract
> > > DC power from a cell through the use of high speed diodes. Sel was doing
> > > some related type experiments. He wound a small coil that fit into the
water
> > > between the tubes, and rectified it to provide a little DC power. It might
> > > be interesting to experiment with different coils used this way. My
> > > intuition tells me that a Tesla type "pancake" coil might work well for
> > > this. Don't know for sure since I've never tried it.
> > >
> > > Brushcutters are likewise a poor choice, since the water jacket in the
> > > engine is an integral part of running or boosting an engine. I'm sure
there
> > > are ways that it could be done with an air-cooled engine, but it would
> > > likely require some significant mods to the engine. One could try wrapping
> > > aluminum tubing full of water around the cylinder and give that a try. I
> > > think that the water might have to be flowing, as it does in normal water
> > > cooled engines, but I'm not sure of that.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
> > > To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:06 AM
> > > Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor with a
> > > joecell??
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi folks.
> > > >
> > > > I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an electric
> > > > motor from a joe cell.
> > > >
> > > > is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
> > > > I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of them
> > > > are made.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.
> > > >
> > > > Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is
any
> > > > truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.
> > > >
> > > > There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be
awesome
> > > > to re-use them.
> > > >
> > > > there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
> > > > would they work on the cell?
> > > >
> > > > couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
> > > > Happy 2011 folks :)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I would not do pvc, The energy of grey pvc looks/feels not that good,
the minus is going down at the inner cylinder through the base of the perspex. I
watched your movie. It looks like a acid cell acording to the image of the water
and the female part. You saw that into my movie when i still added electrolite.
So you could check the ph?

For me the energy from the cell feels soft. The energy from my car or my friends
car cel looks stronger. And at lower amps*voltage
but our car's are not continues running without fual, only ocassionaly. But much
power increase and antigravity.

are you sensative for energy?
  If you want my opinion what i would do else feel free to ask. Other wise i
would only judging your cell and i do not want to.

Thanks arno

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
wrote:
>
> Brilliant :)  from what I could understand :)
> google translator helps
>
> I like your plastic brace for holding the cell.
> I've started to play with pvc like that on the lathe just recently.
> will post pics up soon.
>
> is your cathode going through the stainless housing of the outer anode??
>
> I'm going to try the rubber bung idea Peter put me onto, but I haven't got
there quite yet.
> I've been stubbornly trying to to it with nylon bushings thru the stainless
outer anode :)
>
> this is my site latest cell I filmed.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP2Bo9yCDfA
> running at 30vdc. you can see the inner pulsing, what you cant see is that all
the others are doing it too, but it is much more subtle :)
>
> thanks for all your help!
> much appreciated.
> Cheers,
> Will :)
>
>
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Arno" <arno.waaijenberg@>
wrote:
> >
> > The top you can se in the beginning of this movie
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKihI8x4L8Q
> >
> > my outside diameter is around 10 cm and that there fits a flange from a pond
pass. Inside that flange i mounted a stainless funnel
> > the funnel and the joecell are connected electrical trhough a 316 l wire
> > the joecel is 316ti seamless
> >
> > No welding no scrapyard
> > al new material and even then you have to make effort for car operation,
Into that movie is also some old cellery from me you can see even with adds. But
nowadays i use 316 ti no adds only 12 volt or 6 volt 50ma
> >
> > I added a whool jacket around it according to alex shiffer suggestion
> > the force that was at 4000 rpm moved down to 3000/2000 rpm. So the engine
gets a lot more power now
> >
> > so far
> >
> > arno
> >
> > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, Arno, Huuman,
> > > thankyou for your responses!
> > > they're much appeciated ;)
> > >
> > > I just thought there might be some kinda way to resonate the motor from
the cell ... ill look into the diode thing ;)
> > >
> > > thankyou Bernie, with the water jacket stuff, that makes perfect sense to
me now you've said it.
> > > I have never had my cells hooked to any engine as yet, I dont have the
tops made for them ... I keep checking the scrapyard for press on flange
fittings.... as buying them seems wayyy pricey.
> > >
> > > how do you guys make the tops of your cells?
> > > second hand recycled parts??
> > > new parts??
> > >
> > > thanks again :D
> > > Will
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Will,
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that there's a way to power an AC motor from a cell. The problem
is
> > > > that the energy frequencies are simply too high. It is possible to
extract
> > > > DC power from a cell through the use of high speed diodes. Sel was doing
> > > > some related type experiments. He wound a small coil that fit into the
water
> > > > between the tubes, and rectified it to provide a little DC power. It
might
> > > > be interesting to experiment with different coils used this way. My
> > > > intuition tells me that a Tesla type "pancake" coil might work well for
> > > > this. Don't know for sure since I've never tried it.
> > > >
> > > > Brushcutters are likewise a poor choice, since the water jacket in the
> > > > engine is an integral part of running or boosting an engine. I'm sure
there
> > > > are ways that it could be done with an air-cooled engine, but it would
> > > > likely require some significant mods to the engine. One could try
wrapping
> > > > aluminum tubing full of water around the cylinder and give that a try. I
> > > > think that the water might have to be flowing, as it does in normal
water
> > > > cooled engines, but I'm not sure of that.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
> > > > To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:06 AM
> > > > Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor with
a
> > > > joecell??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi folks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an
electric
> > > > > motor from a joe cell.
> > > > >
> > > > > is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
> > > > > I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of
them
> > > > > are made.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there is
any
> > > > > truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be
awesome
> > > > > to re-use them.
> > > > >
> > > > > there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
> > > > > would they work on the cell?
> > > > >
> > > > > couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
> > > > > Happy 2011 folks :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Will
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

thankyou Arno, I appreciate your input.
the yellowing of the water would suggest an acidic cell, yes,
It needs a thorough clean. all my cells only ever run on bottled bring water, i
never add anything to them.
I'll have to get myself a pH kit, or a meter.
It doesnt draw any amps, well barely any at all.
I get good results at around 30 volts DC (rectified) and ok ones at 12-15, but I
like 30vdc, coz it just happens faster.

I haven't had the heartbeat in my newer cells ... no im not sure what im doing
wrong, but I shall keep playing with them.
my pics are in JoeCell2 by the way.


--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Arno" <arno.waaijenberg@...>
wrote:
>
> I would not do pvc, The energy of grey pvc looks/feels not that good,
> the minus is going down at the inner cylinder through the base of the perspex.
I watched your movie. It looks like a acid cell acording to the image of the
water and the female part. You saw that into my movie when i still added
electrolite. So you could check the ph?
>
> For me the energy from the cell feels soft. The energy from my car or my
friends car cel looks stronger. And at lower amps*voltage
> but our car's are not continues running without fual, only ocassionaly. But
much power increase and antigravity.
>
> are you sensative for energy?
>  If you want my opinion what i would do else feel free to ask. Other wise i
would only judging your cell and i do not want to.
>
> Thanks arno
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
wrote:
> >
> > Brilliant :)  from what I could understand :)
> > google translator helps
> >
> > I like your plastic brace for holding the cell.
> > I've started to play with pvc like that on the lathe just recently.
> > will post pics up soon.
> >
> > is your cathode going through the stainless housing of the outer anode??
> >
> > I'm going to try the rubber bung idea Peter put me onto, but I haven't got
there quite yet.
> > I've been stubbornly trying to to it with nylon bushings thru the stainless
outer anode :)
> >
> > this is my site latest cell I filmed.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP2Bo9yCDfA
> > running at 30vdc. you can see the inner pulsing, what you cant see is that
all the others are doing it too, but it is much more subtle :)
> >
> > thanks for all your help!
> > much appreciated.
> > Cheers,
> > Will :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Arno" <arno.waaijenberg@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > The top you can se in the beginning of this movie
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKihI8x4L8Q
> > >
> > > my outside diameter is around 10 cm and that there fits a flange from a
pond pass. Inside that flange i mounted a stainless funnel
> > > the funnel and the joecell are connected electrical trhough a 316 l wire
> > > the joecel is 316ti seamless
> > >
> > > No welding no scrapyard
> > > al new material and even then you have to make effort for car operation,
Into that movie is also some old cellery from me you can see even with adds. But
nowadays i use 316 ti no adds only 12 volt or 6 volt 50ma
> > >
> > > I added a whool jacket around it according to alex shiffer suggestion
> > > the force that was at 4000 rpm moved down to 3000/2000 rpm. So the engine
gets a lot more power now
> > >
> > > so far
> > >
> > > arno
> > >
> > > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bernie, Arno, Huuman,
> > > > thankyou for your responses!
> > > > they're much appeciated ;)
> > > >
> > > > I just thought there might be some kinda way to resonate the motor from
the cell ... ill look into the diode thing ;)
> > > >
> > > > thankyou Bernie, with the water jacket stuff, that makes perfect sense
to me now you've said it.
> > > > I have never had my cells hooked to any engine as yet, I dont have the
tops made for them ... I keep checking the scrapyard for press on flange
fittings.... as buying them seems wayyy pricey.
> > > >
> > > > how do you guys make the tops of your cells?
> > > > second hand recycled parts??
> > > > new parts??
> > > >
> > > > thanks again :D
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Will,
> > > > >
> > > > > I doubt that there's a way to power an AC motor from a cell. The
problem is
> > > > > that the energy frequencies are simply too high. It is possible to
extract
> > > > > DC power from a cell through the use of high speed diodes. Sel was
doing
> > > > > some related type experiments. He wound a small coil that fit into the
water
> > > > > between the tubes, and rectified it to provide a little DC power. It
might
> > > > > be interesting to experiment with different coils used this way. My
> > > > > intuition tells me that a Tesla type "pancake" coil might work well
for
> > > > > this. Don't know for sure since I've never tried it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brushcutters are likewise a poor choice, since the water jacket in the
> > > > > engine is an integral part of running or boosting an engine. I'm sure
there
> > > > > are ways that it could be done with an air-cooled engine, but it would
> > > > > likely require some significant mods to the engine. One could try
wrapping
> > > > > aluminum tubing full of water around the cylinder and give that a try.
I
> > > > > think that the water might have to be flowing, as it does in normal
water
> > > > > cooled engines, but I'm not sure of that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@>
> > > > > To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:06 AM
> > > > > Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] 'powering' an electric motor
with a
> > > > > joecell??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi folks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I heard reference (in a video i think?) of being able to run an
electric
> > > > > > motor from a joe cell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is there anyone with any kind of info on this?
> > > > > > I have quite a few cells made now, they lack tops, but the bulk of
them
> > > > > > are made.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd love to be able to run an AC motor from a joecell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would love to hear the groups thoughts on the subject, and if there
is any
> > > > > > truth to the rumour of someone already accomplished this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are so many AC motors scrapped at my local dumpshop, it'd be
awesome
> > > > > > to re-use them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there's also LOTS of brushcutters (whippersnippers) there too.
> > > > > > would they work on the cell?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > couple questions in there ... hope someone can shed some light ;)
> > > > > > Happy 2011 folks :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Will
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From: Robert

To: thehulleffect@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:22 AM

Subject: [thehulleffect] Good and bad radiation...just that simple

 

Hello all,
It is a new year...2011
Just that simple...
using the good radiation...solar
while neutralizing the bad radiation...solar...

How about that???

Robert W Hull

Hi folks.

Concentric Circles, vs other concentric shapes / polygons.

Like ... concentric pentagons, as the pentagon is the square of the circle, all
of which would have the exact same centre...
has anyone tried and or had any notable successes with anything like this??

I've been making pentagonal shaped woodgas stoves, i made a jig welded up to 108
degrees so the vertices are perfect ...
im going to try a cell made of 5 concentric pentagons ...
much like america's Pentagon, which I read somewhere fits snugly into the
earth's ley lines perfectly, someone figured it out with Bruce Cathie's harmonic
Globe thingy.

anyway ... would love some feedback on that, group's been a little quiet lately
;)
Cheers!
Will :)

Will,

I'm skeptical about it being an improvement over using the plain tubes. My
understanding of the energy fields leads me to believe that the current
through the water needs to consistent everywhere, and I don't see that
happening when there are corners involved. But on the other hand, it might
just serve to make the cell more broadband frequency wise, and that could be
a good thing. So I guess the answer lies in just having someone try it and
see.

Personally, I would think that a hexagon might be better. The reason is that
any circle will have 12 equally spaced energy nodes around the
circumference, and it would seem logical to try to accommodate this in the
design. The welded seam in the tubes generally forces one node to be located
at the seam, which is why circumferential cell alignment can be approximated
by aligning the seams. (alignment involves lining up the nodes across all
tubes so they're overall energy becomes additive). The Rodin Starship coil
with it's 12 points appears to follow this same theory!

Just my thoughts!

Bernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 3:59 AM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] re brey212's Hexagon Cell & similar
ideas


> Hi folks.
>
> Concentric Circles, vs other concentric shapes / polygons.
>
> Like ... concentric pentagons, as the pentagon is the square of the
> circle, all of which would have the exact same centre...
> has anyone tried and or had any notable successes with anything like
> this??
>
> I've been making pentagonal shaped woodgas stoves, i made a jig welded up
> to 108 degrees so the vertices are perfect ...
> im going to try a cell made of 5 concentric pentagons ...
> much like america's Pentagon, which I read somewhere fits snugly into the
> earth's ley lines perfectly, someone figured it out with Bruce Cathie's
> harmonic Globe thingy.
>
> anyway ... would love some feedback on that, group's been a little quiet
> lately ;)
> Cheers!
> Will :)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hay guys the water molecules are aligned differently then when you force the all
the water molecule from one electrode to the other forcing them to become
aligned and by shaking the water molecules from the bottom going up while having
the electrons going left to right would break all of them apart guys !!  Its a
crossing affect that gets the results that I got that explains my experimenting
with distilled water on two steps and not the one step you guys are trying to
get !!

Thomas

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <bernieheere@...>
wrote:
>
> Will,
>
> I'm skeptical about it being an improvement over using the plain tubes. My
> understanding of the energy fields leads me to believe that the current
> through the water needs to consistent everywhere, and I don't see that
> happening when there are corners involved. But on the other hand, it might
> just serve to make the cell more broadband frequency wise, and that could be
> a good thing. So I guess the answer lies in just having someone try it and
> see.
>
> Personally, I would think that a hexagon might be better. The reason is that
> any circle will have 12 equally spaced energy nodes around the
> circumference, and it would seem logical to try to accommodate this in the
> design. The welded seam in the tubes generally forces one node to be located
> at the seam, which is why circumferential cell alignment can be approximated
> by aligning the seams. (alignment involves lining up the nodes across all
> tubes so they're overall energy becomes additive). The Rodin Starship coil
> with it's 12 points appears to follow this same theory!
>
> Just my thoughts!
>
> Bernie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Scarlet" <g_wark@...>
> To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 3:59 AM
> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] re brey212's Hexagon Cell & similar
> ideas
>
>
> > Hi folks.
> >
> > Concentric Circles, vs other concentric shapes / polygons.
> >
> > Like ... concentric pentagons, as the pentagon is the square of the
> > circle, all of which would have the exact same centre...
> > has anyone tried and or had any notable successes with anything like
> > this??
> >
> > I've been making pentagonal shaped woodgas stoves, i made a jig welded up
> > to 108 degrees so the vertices are perfect ...
> > im going to try a cell made of 5 concentric pentagons ...
> > much like america's Pentagon, which I read somewhere fits snugly into the
> > earth's ley lines perfectly, someone figured it out with Bruce Cathie's
> > harmonic Globe thingy.
> >
> > anyway ... would love some feedback on that, group's been a little quiet
> > lately ;)
> > Cheers!
> > Will :)
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: harperdw2000

To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:33 AM

Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] How does HHO Work and how does it increase my MPG?

How Does HHO Work?

The following is the best explanation that I have found on How Does HHO gas work. This came from a web site that I am an affiliate with. This is courtesy of: fuelsaver-mpg.com and wam-a-bam.com.

HHO is the gas produced by the electrolyses of water were by water is broken down into it's two elements: hydrogen (two atoms HH) oxygen (one atom O) Together this makes up HHO. H2O. Water (Get It?)

This is a question that is asked a lot. And yet, this is the most important point to understand if you want to make your car more fuel efficient using this technology. The physics and chemistry of this subject can be very complicated. But fortunately the basic concepts are very few and extremely simple.

Misconception

Many people think that we are generating HHO so we can burn it, and that burning this HHO adds so much power, that we get better fuel mileage. To take this a step further, there are 3 energy conversions at work here:

1. Mechanical to electrical (the alternator makes electrical energy)

2. Electrical to chemical (the cell makes HHO from electrical energy)

3. Chemical to mechanical (the HHO burns in the engine to make mechanical energy)

The problem is that there are 3 energy conversions occurring here, and each one loses some energy. It is a basic fundamental of physics that in any conversion of energy from one form to another, there is going to be some loss. There is no such thing as 100% efficiency. In some of these conversions there is quite a bit of loss. So if this is all there was to the picture, then the system would actually lose mileage when it was used. I've even seen this mistaken idea expressed in magazines and on television news coverage of the technology.

What Really Is Going On?

But this is not how HHO is able to improve fuel economy. In actual fact is HHO, when added to the air/fuel mixture going into the engine, causes that petroleum fuel to burn more rapidly because HHO burns hotter than petroleum fuel. Scientists say that this will considerably increases the flame speed of the petroleum mixture. And it is this fact that sums up the primary way that HHO improves fuel mileage. More complete combustion of the petroleum fuel.

When the flame speed of the fuel mixture is increased, more of the fuel is burned during the power stroke of the piston. And less unburned fuel is being expelled from the engine as waste and pollutants. A relatively small amount of HHO will have a dramatic impact on the amount of power a given amount of gasoline will produce. It will also drop dramatically the amount of harmful emissions the engine produces. Also, as an added feature, your engine cylinder walls and rings stay cleaner.

A Problem, And Its Solution

Back in the good old days, before there were computers in cars, experimenters were able to add HHO to their engines and get remarkable mileage gains and dramatic decreases in emissions. No other handling was needed to get excellent results. Similarly, diesel engines, even today get excellent results with HHO and need no other handling.

However, with the advent of the computer, fuel injection, oxygen sensors, and other sensors used to control the air/fuel ratio, a problem is introduced into this simple technology. The problem starts like this. When hydrogen is introduced, and the engine is turning more times with less gas, one of the results is that there is more oxygen coming through the exhaust. This is reported to the computer by the oxygen sensor(s) that are installed in the exhaust pipe(s). The computer reads this additional oxygen as a lean air/fuel mix. It then promptly adds more gas, until it sees the same exhaust conditions it was programmed to expect. However, it is now incorrectly adding gas when it shouldn't.

People with modern, fuel-injected cars, who put in HHO, often report that their vehicle runs smoother, and has a dramatic increase in horsepower. But they also often report no increase in fuel mileage. This is because the computer, that was designed for inefficient combustion, is adding much more gas than is actually needed. What is needed to get all the gains available to this technology is to compensate for this additional oxygen in the exhaust.

A device was created that does just that. It's called an EFIE, which is short for Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer. You can find out more about this device, and how it works in the article EFIE Described. Go to: http://www.wam-a-bam.com/EFIEdiscrb. But basically this device compensates for the additional oxygen appearing in the exhaust, and allows the computer to do it's job correctly when an HHO system is installed. It fools the computer.

Summary

There is a remarkable simplicity to this technology. If you add HHO to your engine, you will get an increase in combustion efficiency. That is just science, and it works as certainly as turning on a light switch. But to get your gains, you have to compensate for the additional oxygen that will now appear in the exhaust. And that is done by modifying the sensor information going to the computer. If you can do these 2 things, you will get a dramatic increase in fuel mileage and a corresponding decrease in fuel emissions. We ordinarily expect people to get a minimum of 25% increase in MPG, and 40-60% is our expected average. Some people have gotten 80% or more mileage increases. By proper application of this simple technology, you can get these increases for your vehicle too.

For more information on HHO and HHO generators go to: http://www.wam-a-bam.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Sel O

To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] How does HHO Work and how does it increase my MPG?

I totally agree with you Bernie!!, :) Sel --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Bernie <bernieheere@...> wrote: From: Bernie <bernieheere@...> Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] How does HHO Work and how does it increase my MPG? To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 4:14 PM   A simple and relatively good explanation, but totally inappropriate for this group. We're not about using a form of hydrogen gas to boost our engines, but about using torsion field energy to run them.   So if your reason for joining this group was to market HHO devices, I would ask you to leave.   However, if you are a serious experimenter and are here to learn, we could explore the possibility of utilizing both types of devices together in a synergistic way.   Bernie ----- Original Message ----- From: harperdw2000 To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:33 AM Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] How does HHO Work and how does it increase my MPG? How Does HHO Work? The following is the best explanation that I have found on How Does HHO gas work. This came from a web site that I am an affiliate with. This is courtesy of: fuelsaver-mpg.com and wam-a-bam.com. HHO is the gas produced by the electrolyses of water were by water is broken down into it's two elements: hydrogen (two atoms HH) oxygen (one atom O) Together this makes up HHO. H2O. Water (Get It?) This is a question that is asked a lot. And yet, this is the most important point to understand if you want to make your car more fuel efficient using this technology. The physics and chemistry of this subject can be very complicated. But fortunately the basic concepts are very few and extremely simple. Misconception Many people think that we are generating HHO so we can burn it, and that burning this HHO adds so much power, that we get better fuel mileage. To take this a step further, there are 3 energy conversions at work here: 1. Mechanical to electrical (the alternator makes electrical energy) 2. Electrical to chemical (the cell makes HHO from electrical energy) 3. Chemical to mechanical (the HHO burns in the engine to make mechanical energy) The problem is that there are 3 energy conversions occurring here, and each one loses some energy. It is a basic fundamental of physics that in any conversion of energy from one form to another, there is going to be some loss. There is no such thing as 100% efficiency. In some of these conversions there is quite a bit of loss. So if this is all there was to the picture, then the system would actually lose mileage when it was used. I've even seen this mistaken idea expressed in magazines and on television news coverage of the technology. What Really Is Going On? But this is not how HHO is able to improve fuel economy. In actual fact is HHO, when added to the air/fuel mixture going into the engine, causes that petroleum fuel to burn more rapidly because HHO burns hotter than petroleum fuel. Scientists say that this will considerably increases the flame speed of the petroleum mixture. And it is this fact that sums up the primary way that HHO improves fuel mileage. More complete combustion of the petroleum fuel. When the flame speed of the fuel mixture is increased, more of the fuel is burned during the power stroke of the piston. And less unburned fuel is being expelled from the engine as waste and pollutants. A relatively small amount of HHO will have a dramatic impact on the amount of power a given amount of gasoline will produce. It will also drop dramatically the amount of harmful emissions the engine produces. Also, as an added feature, your engine cylinder walls and rings stay cleaner. A Problem, And Its Solution Back in the good old days, before there were computers in cars, experimenters were able to add HHO to their engines and get remarkable mileage gains and dramatic decreases in emissions. No other handling was needed to get excellent results. Similarly, diesel engines, even today get excellent results with HHO and need no other handling. However, with the advent of the computer, fuel injection, oxygen sensors, and other sensors used to control the air/fuel ratio, a problem is introduced into this simple technology. The problem starts like this. When hydrogen is introduced, and the engine is turning more times with less gas, one of the results is that there is more oxygen coming through the exhaust. This is reported to the computer by the oxygen sensor(s) that are installed in the exhaust pipe(s). The computer reads this additional oxygen as a lean air/fuel mix. It then promptly adds more gas, until it sees the same exhaust conditions it was programmed to expect. However, it is now incorrectly adding gas when it shouldn't. People with modern, fuel-injected cars, who put in HHO, often report that their vehicle runs smoother, and has a dramatic increase in horsepower. But they also often report no increase in fuel mileage. This is because the computer, that was designed for inefficient combustion, is adding much more gas than is actually needed. What is needed to get all the gains available to this technology is to compensate for this additional oxygen in the exhaust. A device was created that does just that. It's called an EFIE, which is short for Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer. You can find out more about this device, and how it works in the article EFIE Described. Go to: http://www.wam-a-bam.com/EFIEdiscrb. But basically this device compensates for the additional oxygen appearing in the exhaust, and allows the computer to do it's job correctly when an HHO system is installed. It fools the computer. Summary There is a remarkable simplicity to this technology. If you add HHO to your engine, you will get an increase in combustion efficiency. That is just science, and it works as certainly as turning on a light switch. But to get your gains, you have to compensate for the additional oxygen that will now appear in the exhaust. And that is done by modifying the sensor information going to the computer. If you can do these 2 things, you will get a dramatic increase in fuel mileage and a corresponding decrease in fuel emissions. We ordinarily expect people to get a minimum of 25% increase in MPG, and 40-60% is our expected average. Some people have gotten 80% or more mileage increases. By proper application of this simple technology, you can get these increases for your vehicle too. For more information on HHO and HHO generators go to: http://www.wam-a-bam.com

They say,(and they are wrong) that the Y in "The "Y" Factor" stands for YOU, but
they are actually talking NOT about "The Y Factor" at all,(which actually stands
for WHY), but their own "I" Factor. And it's not very good, is it, seeing as
they are not even honest about it.

"U", in "The U Factor" stands for you, and that is ALWAYS going to refer to
SOMEONE ELSE.

Next.

OK fella's we're on the airwaves.  Just type in "Tucker supercell" and you'll
get our first youtube.  It shows the super cell working.  Production volumes
will be available tomorrow when we get the whole thing put together.

The YouTube technical details are as follows.

100 Amps @ 12 volts
One teaspoon of KOH per three liters of water
Container was a stainless steel pressure cooker
Test was not timed but it lasted for only 30 to 40 seconds

Production was prolific but not measured.  Will come up with volumes tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQVgqsTPA4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wayne and Lee

Lee,

This group is not about producing hydroxy gas. Joe cells are torsion field
devices which use very little current, but can run an engine without
gasoline. So your video is off-topic here!

Bernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee" <bonsaicatto@...>
To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] My first YouTube video


OK fella's we're on the airwaves. Just type in "Tucker supercell" and you'll
get our first youtube. It shows the super cell working. Production volumes
will be available tomorrow when we get the whole thing put together.

The YouTube technical details are as follows.

100 Amps @ 12 volts
One teaspoon of KOH per three liters of water
Container was a stainless steel pressure cooker
Test was not timed but it lasted for only 30 to 40 seconds

Production was prolific but not measured. Will come up with volumes
tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQVgqsTPA4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wayne and Lee




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Yahoo! Groups Links

 

Lee,

This group is not about producing hydroxy gas. Joe cells are torsion field
devices which use very little current, but can run an engine without
gasoline. So your video is off-topic here!

Bernie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee" <bonsaicatto@...>
To: <joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] My first YouTube video

OK fella's we're on the airwaves. Just type in "Tucker supercell" and you'll
get our first youtube. It shows the super cell working. Production volumes
will be available tomorrow when we get the whole thing put together.

The YouTube technical details are as follows.

100 Amps @ 12 volts
One teaspoon of KOH per three liters of water
Container was a stainless steel pressure cooker
Test was not timed but it lasted for only 30 to 40 seconds

Production was prolific but not measured. Will come up with volumes
tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQVgqsTPA4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wayne and Lee

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

thank you all very much!!
I've just made a wood gas stove as a pentagonal cylinder ... if that makes sense
... tall tubular ... pentagon :) if there's a name for that shape i'd love to
know.

i think 5 sided, is geared towards fusion, wheras 6 sided, is geared towards
expansion. pack vs unpack. all assumptions at this point ;)

had no intent on *improving* on the joe cell's tubular design ... ive not got
*that* right yet!! so i'd be crazy to think I could improve on something I've
not gotten right yet :)

My main reason for doing it, was flat plate is simply easier to obtain for me
than tubes. It's pot luck at the metal scrapper ;)
whereas fabricators have lots of plate SS scrap they're happy to part with.

I will let you guys know the difference I get with full welded corners as
opposed to tack-welded corners ... tacked would provide more water movement ...
just a thought   :)

tube flanges are the killer for me ... always on the hunt!! :D

thankyou all again for your feedback ... MUCH appreciated! :D

Will




--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, Arno Waaijenberg
<arno.waaijenberg@...> wrote:
>
> Hy will,
>
> i tried a kind of triangle plate cell combined with tubes. This resulted in a
> whole differnt energy that penetrated quit different then joecell does.
> I can only tell what the feeling is towards the body.
> The joecell you feel instantly. so slowly with a powerfull cel if it is
charging
> a person because that the only sourrce it can flow at that moment.
> when i made the other cell. you first do not feel anything and suddenly you
have
> to stop because it is to intens. But that can also have to do with the new
> frequency i was not used?
>
> But i have to agree with bernie more egdes gives more release. But if you
charge
> first in joecell and then put it into the new cell the cell only have to
amplify
> and maybe its easier to get it in fase
>
> I played a lot with platonic forms if you build it from alu or cupper plate
you
> can sense the differnt quilitys. I would love to make a icosahedron. in
joecell
> design. In the icosaherdon my gem stones changed color from whit to orange in
3
> days with joecell energy. akso a hole inside jaspis
>
> Iw ould love to hear your progress. if you continu with this
>
> Also some some ideas maybe you like. From sphere like moejoe to kube shape or
> other platonic.  Sphere is etheric like orb etc
> kube or other form is into existance. i had a lot of viseons about that if
> intrested
>
> so far arno
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Will Scarlet <g_wark@...>
> To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 12:59:54 PM
> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] re brey212's Hexagon Cell & similar
ideas
>
>
> Hi folks.
>
> Concentric Circles, vs other concentric shapes / polygons.
>
> Like ... concentric pentagons, as the pentagon is the square of the circle,
all
> of which would have the exact same centre...
> has anyone tried and or had any notable successes with anything like this??
>
> I've been making pentagonal shaped woodgas stoves, i made a jig welded up to
108
> degrees so the vertices are perfect ...
>
> im going to try a cell made of 5 concentric pentagons ...
> much like america's Pentagon, which I read somewhere fits snugly into the
> earth's ley lines perfectly, someone figured it out with Bruce Cathie's
harmonic
> Globe thingy.
>
> anyway ... would love some feedback on that, group's been a little quiet
lately
> ;)
> Cheers!
> Will :)
>

Lee:

You should take this stuff to hydroxy and watercar yahoo egroups.

Michael Couch

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Lee" <bonsaicatto@...> wrote:
>
> OK fella's we're on the airwaves.  Just type in "Tucker supercell" and you'll
get our first youtube.  It shows the super cell working.  Production volumes
will be available tomorrow when we get the whole thing put together.
>
> The YouTube technical details are as follows.
>
> 100 Amps @ 12 volts
> One teaspoon of KOH per three liters of water
> Container was a stainless steel pressure cooker
> Test was not timed but it lasted for only 30 to 40 seconds
>
> Production was prolific but not measured.  Will come up with volumes tomorrow.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQVgqsTPA4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>
> Wayne and Lee
>

THANKYOU TERRY YOU ROCK!
I've been meaning to seek this kinda thing out for some time.
I will delve into that a little later, but thankyou VERY much ^_^
there's a genius math guy who does this kinda thing in mullumbimby too i think
... whats his name .... er ... damn! i forget ... he's based here in the
northern rivers nsw somewhere, used to be based in Byron Bay... 255mm hey ...
there's a good start :)
Cheers Terry
Will

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, Terry Bee <redbooma@...> wrote:
>
>
> Will you could take a peek at this if you like.
> The Joe Cell Matrix
> http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/joecell.htm
> Terry
>
> > To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
> > From: g_wark@...
> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:12:15 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] re brey212's Hexagon Cell &
similar ideas
> >
> > thank you all very much!!
> > I've just made a wood gas stove as a pentagonal cylinder ... if that makes
sense ... tall tubular ... pentagon :) if there's a name for that shape i'd love
to know.
> >
> > i think 5 sided, is geared towards fusion, wheras 6 sided, is geared towards
expansion. pack vs unpack. all assumptions at this point ;)
> >
> > had no intent on *improving* on the joe cell's tubular design ... ive not
got *that* right yet!! so i'd be crazy to think I could improve on something
I've not gotten right yet :)
> >
> > My main reason for doing it, was flat plate is simply easier to obtain for
me than tubes. It's pot luck at the metal scrapper ;)
> > whereas fabricators have lots of plate SS scrap they're happy to part with.
> >
> > I will let you guys know the difference I get with full welded corners as
opposed to tack-welded corners ... tacked would provide more water movement ...
just a thought   :)
> >
> > tube flanges are the killer for me ... always on the hunt!! :D
> >
> > thankyou all again for your feedback ... MUCH appreciated! :D
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, Arno Waaijenberg
<arno.waaijenberg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hy will,
> > >
> > > i tried a kind of triangle plate cell combined with tubes. This resulted
in a
> > > whole differnt energy that penetrated quit different then joecell does.
> > > I can only tell what the feeling is towards the body.
> > > The joecell you feel instantly. so slowly with a powerfull cel if it is
charging
> > > a person because that the only sourrce it can flow at that moment.
> > > when i made the other cell. you first do not feel anything and suddenly
you have
> > > to stop because it is to intens. But that can also have to do with the new
> > > frequency i was not used?
> > >
> > > But i have to agree with bernie more egdes gives more release. But if you
charge
> > > first in joecell and then put it into the new cell the cell only have to
amplify
> > > and maybe its easier to get it in fase
> > >
> > > I played a lot with platonic forms if you build it from alu or cupper
plate you
> > > can sense the differnt quilitys. I would love to make a icosahedron. in
joecell
> > > design. In the icosaherdon my gem stones changed color from whit to orange
in 3
> > > days with joecell energy. akso a hole inside jaspis
> > >
> > > Iw ould love to hear your progress. if you continu with this
> > >
> > > Also some some ideas maybe you like. From sphere like moejoe to kube shape
or
> > > other platonic.  Sphere is etheric like orb etc
> > > kube or other form is into existance. i had a lot of viseons about that if
> > > intrested
> > >
> > > so far arno
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Will Scarlet <g_wark@>
> > > To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 12:59:54 PM
> > > Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] re brey212's Hexagon Cell & similar
ideas
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi folks.
> > >
> > > Concentric Circles, vs other concentric shapes / polygons.
> > >
> > > Like ... concentric pentagons, as the pentagon is the square of the
circle, all
> > > of which would have the exact same centre...
> > > has anyone tried and or had any notable successes with anything like
this??
> > >
> > > I've been making pentagonal shaped woodgas stoves, i made a jig welded up
to 108
> > > degrees so the vertices are perfect ...
> > >
> > > im going to try a cell made of 5 concentric pentagons ...
> > > much like america's Pentagon, which I read somewhere fits snugly into the
> > > earth's ley lines perfectly, someone figured it out with Bruce Cathie's
harmonic
> > > Globe thingy.
> > >
> > > anyway ... would love some feedback on that, group's been a little quiet
lately
> > > ;)
> > > Cheers!
> > > Will :)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

BUT , how come the leyden jar from middle east resembles it?