Your response made me break out in laughter! OK.

http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm

The New Science, written in the 50s by Wilbert Smith.

Maybe he can do it better for you.

What sort of gravitational devices have you worked with?

Sincerely,

Dave L

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Heathmoore <daniel_heathmoore@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> I like your tempic bubbles. I made one too. However, the rest of your explanation was very obtuse.
> I'm not trying to be rude..but I have no idea what you just said.
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> I've built gravitational devices but this terminology is just over the top.
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> Thankyou for your time.
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> daniel_heathmoore@...
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> ________________________________
> From: David Lowrance libra_spirit@...
> To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:57 PM
> Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Field Forces Discussion Continued
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>  
> Anyway the three field forces of nature are the Tempic, Electric, and Magnetic fields. Each have a different range of power in physical distance, and a different origination with respect the 3 dimensions. Tempic field bubbles result in a pocket of space where time is moving at a different rate, and C velocity then becomes a varible. Thus as light passes through these bubbles there is a distortion of how large things appear from outside the field bubble.
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>  
> So if you're sitting in the fields and looking out it's like you're sitting inside a spacetime curvature lens. Is there a gravitational force associated with the field bubble(are things attracted or repelled by the bubble)?
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> The strongest warping field I ever got working was with a string of DVDs on a threaded rod set up to vibrate on a ratio of pi/2 off a spherical quartz crystal. I measured a lead weight on a postage scale on both sides of this warp and had a constant difference of one line width on a mechanical scale. While it looked like I was getting larger physically as I moved one direction through this field, the gravity alteration in that configuration was very low, but present. This is an effect I also noted at the Oregon vortex, and does appear in nature. I had my wife stand on one side of the field and me on the other, she was much shorter then me one way and looking me in the eye straight the other way as we switched places. I had finally succeeded at creating this effect in my own garage and proving it was real to my wife also!Water is filled with a lot of free roaming parts. Call then atoms, science has identified them as electrons protons and a few neutrons.
> In liquid water no two of these are bonded together very long, all the atoms are constantly exchanging parts, so it is a good source of grabbing parts LOL! I think this is a pretty good mnental model anyway.
>  
> Are you talking about the fast formation/dissolution of hydrogen bonds between water molecules(resulting in what we see as a big flexible crystal)?
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> Mainly, the point here is we can have a positive charge flow happening across a body of water without having to move ions any further then one molecules distance, and we can also extract any parts we need to create matter in any form if we have the template pattern. You do not have to have piles of bubbles or currents for the positive charge to move wherever it wants. Copper does not seem to have this same flexibility that I can tell. The diamagnetic field releases the tight magnetic bonds and turns water into a primordial soup. In copper only the Electron shell can move it's parts around so freely as electrical currents.
> If you increase the diamagnetic field, it is much easier to remove a few of the free roaming parts. Say you want to grab an Oxygen atom. All of them are magnetic, and the diamagnetic field will repell them. Hydrogen is also diamagnetic and has the highest positive charge potiential of any possible atomic configuration. Every other atom has a lower positive unit charge then Hydrogen, so the more concentrated you group H atoms the more positive the charge will go, and this can happen really fast.
>  
> I'm not clear on this part. I thought hydrogen was just one proton thereby has the lowest positive E-field potential of all nuclei. Do you mean a density of positive to charge to atomic volume of all nuclei?
> Take a bismuth atom for instance. It is diamagnetic and it has one extra proton that does not have a matched electron to cancel it out. In this case here we have a host of protons and electrons in the atom which all cancel out electrically and then we have this one lone proton that is not cancelled out setting 4 or 5 layers down inside the atoms at the nucleus. In Hydrogen, this is not the case, there are not as many neutral fields setting there taking up space and not interacting with the outside world. In bismuth you are limited by how close you can get to that positive charge carrier, and its field is dilluted by dozens of cancelling bonds and layers of fields seperating you from it. Most all the power producing chemical actions are related to the hydrogen atom.So I do not really think as ions moving, because water can take on a packet of energy from one positioin call it an electron, and then release one from the other side of the lake at the same
> time, and all the water remains water, yet all have exchanged an electron. So the equivalent of ions moving only they do not really have to move across the water gap at all.
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> I see. There seems to be a migration of positive ions too. They don't move very fast and cannot transfer their charge easily.
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> If you grow the diamagnetic field bubble they can move very fast and also act differently.
> The part you develope a feel for here, is how physics changes as the field shifts from an EM dominant space to a diamagnetic dominant space.This has application also to earths present state where we see the magnetic field is diminishing over time, for the past 2000 years or so. Everyone is worrying thinking that this magnetic field is protecting us somehow from the suns eminations. If you however understand how a strong "organizational field" works from the inside of the spheres, then you already know the Vanallen belts are not held in place by magnetism, but by the spherical layers as found in atoms, and not by the donut shapped field of magnets.
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> As the EM field drops, the magnetic field of the earth dimenishes, the T field rises up and start reorganizing everything. The spheres actually become stronger. This is the same as raising a strong field in a Joe Cell. Matter is controlled in form from it's core vibrational pattern, and this is not an EM effect. EM rides on it's surface or outer layering and is a side effect. Platonic vibration moves inwards and outwards between the multilayers of the atoms, and of the earth, and this is the real power to organize and maintain the life form structure.
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> There are many names for this field
> Strong Force
> Gravity
> Tempic field
> Platonic form Vibration
> Inflow and outflow
> T field
> Field density of the Aether
> Longitudinal waves
> Motion
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> The math behind this manipulation for a conversion, must transform the energy of a vibration to another wavelength within a spherical system.
> Pi/2 = 1.5707 is the ratio for a stable circle which will repeat itself over and over without dying or loosing any energy.
> Phi is 1.618 and in the shift between these two close ratios lies the difference between integration and dissintegration. Phi allow energy to upshift or downshift to infinity. Fibinouci number are the bumps found in between these two limits, and describe the orbital distances where force will push first out and then at another distance pull inwards.
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> Where a car smashes into a cement wall, where does the energy go? Or where two elephants butt heads and keep pushing. The energy moves into a higher frequency vibration and is lost to the life form structure.. Wasted energy always moves upwards in frequency. We call this "loss" in our current electronics and physics and we write it off. Big mistake to write it off because the reverse of this is OU energy. Downshifting is the process.
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> Creation is the method of downshifting energy directly from the Aether medium. It is the opposite of energy loss.
>  
> At this point my work moves into the phychic realm and I can not offer any proof to others, but what I call "sweet space," holds every possible vibrational pattern already at an extremely high frequency. The Aether is extremely organized, and from it we can pull out anything using downshifting of fractals. This is one of the problems current science has with belief in how energy works in our physical world, as entrophy. Until consciousness feels and baths in "Sweet Space" the Aetheric medium is only a fantasy. The fact it holds such perfect harmony of all form is hidden.
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> All the fields that hold matter together, come from this medium and are already built into it. The organizing fields, of which there are three basic bubble forms. We call them Electron, Proton, and Neutron. 3 different configurations of rotational plasmas which result in stable downshift forms, all made of the same substance really which is plasma.
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> Again "downshift" is how atoms pull energy into thier field, and in this process the Aetheric medium slows down and light velocity decreases causing gravity to the center of mass. Einstien did have some of this correct, and atom bombs do explode. What is unique about JCs is that we can use a simple device in the garage to start messing with relativistic forces and bending light speed, and this is a real mind blower at first. It starts to mess with the field we live inside, and causes all kinds of interpersonal perceptual changes.
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> These downshifted wavelengths can be used to create a tempic field gradient in the Aether.Are you referring to vibrational waves interfering destructively or constructively in nodes?  Do the nodes or the tempic field cause the wavelength downshifting(doppler shift due altered aether density?) I'm assuming you're talking about longitudinal aether waves.
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> Yes but they do not interact as you expect physical waves to interact, these are Aetheric waves. This is where the magic starts to manifest for sure. The "two slit experiment" shows us that where we look for photons to appear they will, but if we do not look, they will pass on by as waves and never become point source photons. It is the process of perception that creates the interference patterns from multiple point sources. If we do not choose to percieve it passes on by as a coherent field wave, and on exit a wave cannot have eny effect on you. Thus the unpercieved Aetheric medium is invisible and does not interact with anything. Um...how can you know for sure your 'consciousness' which seems to flip between verbs and nouns in this description isn't just altering the aether with aetheric wave transmissions of it's own?
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> So manifesting is two fold, First you have to hold the correct distance for a manifest waveform to downshift into, and second you have to look for it to appear there. LOL! This seems a paradox, until you realize the unit itself once it becomes conscious can "percieve" itself for you also and thus regerenate it's own energy flows. This always appears in nature as a spherical form, or the root form of extraction.(extraction?...do you mean downshifting?)
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> Now with a regenerative sphere downshifting from the medium, you can add linear form extensions (linear form extensions?)and create bodies with function and specialize in biological forms drawing energy from the central sphere, but extraction always comes from the spherical root form.(root form?)
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> Aether - contains all possible vibratonal patterns and the power to keep them running
> Spherical downshift - Set up a self sustaining bubble with enough consciousness to keep extracting energy for it's own existence.
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> A linear light rod, or a caliper length will only vibrate up if you look for it and feel it. Once it does vibrate up it will then self sustain these standing waves in the Aetheric medium for a short time. If you construct a fully multilayered sphere, it can become alive enough to self sustain on it's own. Consciousness is necessary because without "perception" there can be no downshift and no interference patterns. LOL! 
> I am getting way too far out there for most to follow me ..............(uh....ya)
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> Joe Cells that are really charged up well also lower the EM field background, and create the tempic field bubbles.
> Is that also caused by a doppler shift of ambient transverse EM photons due to alteration of the ambient aether density(aka spacetime curvature?)
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> One of the hardest things to break free of, that limits our understanding of physics, is the belief that all energy originates on the EM layer of the atom. I can keep repeating this over and over, but few will understand becuase they do not have anything else to relate energy to but transverse EM meter movements. (I certainly understand aetheric longitudinal waves and other structures but any description of 'consciousness' either galactic or everyday human consciousness definitely needs some basic outline of how it affects our experiments other than descriptions like  'all is one'.)
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> The answer is no. You are still seeing this from the outside looking in, rather then from the inside of the atoms looking out, from the point they are truly controlled from.
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> There is no striaght forwards comparison of frequency between EM and T field except in certain elements like copper. There is not a formula to relate T field wavelength to EM frequency directly because physical tension is also involved.
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> If you move down a light rod accross the segment length between two of the light nodes, the EM frequency is all over the place, but the distance between the two light nodes is as fixed as the Aetheric medium we live inside, and it never changes. What changes down the segment is the "tension" and this is physical. Because these dimensions never change, we can see that all form of spacial warping is a matter of extraction from a matrix that is totally linear in all respects. Only the fields inside the matrix warp around.
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> Downshift has nothing to do with EM frequency. You can use EM on any frequency band to vibrate up a material, and within a short distance of tunning, the energy will start to jump between objects. These harmonics are wavelengths fixed in space, and related by 12x as octaves rather then our EM fields 10x numbers.
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> EM is an energy form that moves inside the warped T field of space. It is not the root source of the space curvature!
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> First comes T field, 2nd comes E field and lastly comes M or magnetic field. And the M field is the most unstable and flixible one with shortest reach. E field is far less flexible, and T field is rock solid fixed from the grid that creates space itself.
>  
> Set up the caliper to correct distance, look for the vibration to manifest, and it will work every time no matter if you are inside a magnetic field or an EM field of anykind. T field vibration superceeds and contains all EM field interactions.
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> T field is the source field.
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> This is how I see it now after years of experimenting with these vibrational devices, and never once finding any change in a resonant length. Where antennas is an art of adjusting to how much EM waves change depending on all kinds of different varibles.
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> Someone mentioned, a cell once created for a certain purpose cannot be altered, it must be abandoned and never cleaned.
> Inflow cells do not degenerate or pit, they can actually recover from piting if the inflow field is strong [T field dominant and EM fields acting below T field levels]. I have very old tubes here in the 2xG length of 304, that have manifested loads of iron, and have never pitted at all. I extracted the iron in balls large enough to be attracted by a magnet, so I know it was iron manifesting in the cell. No pitting at all after dissassembly of the cell.
>  
> In quartz crystal work, we had a system to do just this. You place the crystals in salt water to clear and clean them of all vibration, and then they can be reprogrammed over and over. I learned how to do this mentally also, and I guarentee, you can in fact dissassemble a JCs tubes, clear and clean them of all vibration, and then reprogram them to do something different on the next assembly. If you believe you have to have new tubes off the factory floor each time to make a cell do something, then maybe you have missed how consciousness works at the root levels to dissintegrate a form not desired anymore. The only limit in this is in your own belief system.
>  
> Ok..this seems to be the meat and potatoes of your theory. I think I understand what you're saying but not how downshifting happens. I'm assuming the 'weight' you refer to is the aether medium. Could you please clarify the mechanism of 'downshifting'.  Thanks.
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> Grantid I am trying to throw a lot of experience at you all at once, with vocabulary that is comprehensible, but it will not be understood until you see it for yourself. Downshifting does not have to do with EM frequency ok, not directly. It has to do with physical linear distances, ratios, and octaves. This is because the matrix is fixed, and EM is not fixed within it. Self vibration is happening down inside the atom at it's heaviest part the nucleus. Structural bonding is EM and works between the atoms. Coherent T field rise up spherically and are stronger then EM fields can be by a factor of some 137 times. This is measured in QED physics already for us as the leap of energy encountered in the Strong force of the atoms nucleus.
>  
> Downshift is a manipulation of physical distance, a realtionship between two objects having different wavelengths that can pass energy between them. In this situation, energy will move the opposite direction as normal energy loss. IE it will move from higher frequency towards lower frequency. In platonic form is can self sustain.
>  
> You do not calculate this using electronics formulas, you calculate it directly using physical dimensions.
>  
> A 12x step will downshift T field energy to a longer wavelength.
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> In the VCT cells we are calculating energy shift formulas between the tubes that will set up a self sustaining vibration between the tubes. In the JC I think the vibrations are happening betweeen the water sections themselves. Change the voltage across a water gap and there will be many points where standing waves can come up that add up to the length as a prime number. The voltage on a water gap sets the tension of the water. There are configurations then where the tension begins to hold the voltage, and this is the point of reversal where the cell starts to power the EM part for itsw configuration of tension [Tensors]. These tensor segments are always straight because radiant energy moves in a straight line.
>  
> Prime number wavelengths will not downshift, and a large mass can be set up to hold a very dense field. 12x harmoinics will downshift a lot of energy away from these fields. 144x etc.
>  
> The G length is a good example. Cut a tube to a 1x length of the G fractal of the earth, and it will start to pullin energy from the vibration operating between the earth and moon. We have no idea how large this wavelength can become or how small it can become, but we know that if we have a coupling to it, we can multiply this length by 12 and get another good coupling to it.
>  
> We can also multiply it by 1.5707 [pi/2] and get a beautiful life energy from it that dances, and we can multiple it by 1.816 and get a real rush of dissintegration energy from it to make you dizzy.
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> We can also use the wheel of 24 to perform inertial functions on the Gravity field, In a car we can set up pulsing on the flywheel or piston stroke lengths, and at a 7x point feedback "cancelling vibrational energy" to cause a loss of inertial drag.
>  
> EM can be used to stimulate vibration, and then extract cancelling vibrations if desired at correct phase, but if you can vibrate things up without it, then you are working with totally free energy.
>  
>  
> I hope this helps some perceieve better where I have been comming from with all this consicous vibrational technology. It is best vocabulary I have found and nothing more.
>  
> There is one thing I believe we all agree on who have worked with it over time. Mankind must change for it to become useful, however what happens in between can still be worked, as every atom already has ability to self sustain with its own level of consciousness. You do not have to be a phychic to work with it. But if you work with it, you may discover you already are. Starting to connect with an experiment in the "feel felt" arena is a totally new approach to conventional science. It will permiate even your dreams and change how you view the world.
>  
> I have never claimed to be an "expert" in celery, but a documenter for the most part, my strength is in communication, so that is where I offer assistance to others in this development mostly. None of this has come from me, and I do not possess or own any of it, we all do. In this release of possession I gain full access. LOL!
>  
> Playing with perceptions is a lot of fun too,
> And I still see a few more questions there! Later,
>  
> Dave L
>  
>

Sharing my flow with the group tonight.

Vocabulary

From the first study as a science of the Joe Cell, even by one who observed Joe directly [Alex Schiffer] it was recognized that we would be needing some new vocabulary to even talk about what was being observed as a reality. This new vocabulary would have to be a very "common sense" thing we could all speak about and share as a culture.

I believe Alex moved through many diciplines to finally choose a main perception, using finally the Orgone Vocabulary as the best way to express what was being observed, and matched the "feel felt" realities being explored by Joe. He managed to instill in many people, what he was seeing was very important, and also seemed very magical.

Joe gave us the proof, it can work much different then we have all been educated it should work. And even though Joe has pushed us all so very far now from conventional perceptions, to experiment for ourselves, and make our own knowledge base a personal truth, there still is no consistent agreement on what is observable using the water "W element" medium for totally magical results bieng seen daily with this stuff, if one only tries it.

Over the past few nights I again dove into this exploration, to see if I really knew what I thought I knew, and to make corrections again, which is a never ending process for the true explorer. I picked up a few new terms like the "W water element" and "Unit Charge" of which I can relate to now strongly also.

James has brought also a new more solid understanding to the group here with his new term "Unit charge" and I now fully appreciate this perspective he is sharing with the group.

Remembering back there long ago and my first cell, it took me about 1 year to begin to observe things I could just not explain at all, and still tended to discount as some oddity that needs to be forgotten ever happened. An accident to be dropped and then a new trail to get where I wanted to be, doing the things that Joe can do. The changes needed to happen in me, the blocks removed so I could clearly accept what was happening before my eyes, and then finally start to record events that matter, rather then try to fit them into old mental teaching of the Entrophy society we lived in at that time.

I personally remember somehow learning you always connect the negative wire first and then remove it last.

Now with James proof, if you want the cell to remain in the cold energy state you do it exactly opposite of this! Connect the positive wire first and remove it last. This now greatly simplifies getting the cell charged and into self sustaining cold modes.

Is my memory incorrect on this? Might be, but that was how I have been doing it and now I am changing myself on this, and from direct experiment confirming what James has observed also with very high voltages and sensitive instruments, we all can have a mental model of "why" with respect to EM.

Also my first time to observe 5 different states of the water in the cell. I had missed two of them, simply by not being concerned about the outflow state of the water, as the cell in my configuration would not self sustain in this mode. I had discounted them totally and classed them of no intrest to me. Or, nothing unique about that.

To get a cell to hold any charge I have always left it connected on the middle post to a larger mass nearby, and that was what worked for me, and all the water gaps had to be on inflow mode with negative to the center of the cell, with three taps. Only in this mode could I personally feel the power of the energy and get a cell up fast.

Molecular power however is not concerned with my feeling the radiance of the energy, and water molecules turned against one another may cancel out my feeling, however it only moves down into the molecular level, and in this mode can be used in a different way aparently. Higher currents are possible in water with both polarities, although it feels cancelled to me.

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Field Coherence

When you create a coherent field whether in a magnet or in JC water, and the field becomes larger then the molecular level, it's much like all of us having a meeting together and listening to one speaker for a time. Then the field crashes and we all go home to use this information in our personal "one on one" life with only a few other people.

A magnetic filed in a coil that is drawing current is one field, with only two poles. All the little magnetic domains are sharing a field coherence, and all of them give up their personal north and south poles for however long the coil stays energized. Wilbert Smith tells us in this way "If two fields share 1/2 or more of their reality they will become one coherent field.

This is pure magic from the standpoint of me setting there pondering a couple of magnets, sticking them together and then pulling them apart to see two poles dissappear and then reapear over and over at the field force level. What is a field, such that it can become very small only on one tiny domain of an iron core, and then at another time it can become so large as to change all those little domains into one quantum field of only one magnet that is now large enought to pull up a relay?  Fields are magic, you cannot see them but the compass proves they are real. They are not so connected to any one piece of matter, that the matter can claim ownership of them. In the blink of an eye, you energize the coil and that small domain no longer owns that field, all the domains own that field as a collective group of one entity. It is the same with humans and natural law. None of us own it, but all of us use it at one time or another in some way personally.

I also believe as Wilbert did, it is important, if you want to understand what you are seeing with a JC to understand this concept of a "coherent field bubble," and you can study magnets to really grasp this. Magnets show us how this works, and Joe Cells give us a different glimpse of a different sort of coherent field bubble, one with a different set of qualities then a magnet has. A JC field operates from one center, creates rings of energy around it that resemble orbitals, organizes, and self sustains, and then also interacts with our moods and emotions consciously! This is far different then a simple magnet with two poles of power on the two ends.

What can we deduce from this sort of study?

Where did the energy come from to pull up the relay, did it come from the electricity moving through the wire of the coil, or did it come from the magnetic field of the iron atoms in the core of the relay?

The answer is not obvious because of the way we do electronics formulas, and assume the power comes from the energy flowing in the wires. The solution however is quite simple. Any magnetic core has a saturation point where increasing the current in the coils wire will not increase the power of the magnetic field on the core! All the small domains are aligned and that is max power of the coil system. No amount of increase in the electric circuit energy will increase this magnetic fields power at all, from here on up.

There it is, the power of the relay to pull up, comes from the iron atoms changing from a non choerent allignement to a coherent alignemnt and it is the power of the iron atoms doing the work, it is not the EM flowing in the copper wire. The magnetic field donut rises up to become a new larger single copy of all the smaller domains magnetic field donuts, and each domain for a time looses it's field poles. The EM flowing in the copper wire is aligning zillions of tiny iron atoms to become one coherent field and all work together to do something greater then any one of them could perform seperated.

This is field coherence of the electron shell alignment, and goes no deeper into the atom then that. This is energy we all take for grantid, and assume we understand, and yet most of us totally miss it's "source power" interaction. We though the energy came from the power plant that feeds our homes over the transmission line to our house.

Similiarly with copper medium and AC power, is it the power plant providing the power, or is it the rotation happing in the copper medium at some level powering our motors and lights?

I have the answer to this one because I have witnessed a 100 watt light bulb glowing as the AC power was removed from the wall socket and the light stayed burning! This was a fluke tunning experiment with a toroidal transformer, and back feeding vibration onto the outer canister, while I started to feel a "field bubble" around the unit with a pi/2 feel of life about it. I had somehow tunned a field that self sustained when the wall plug was removed, and recognized it felt as to be "alive." It was a beautiful experience.

It is the copper atoms, that contain the power in our homes, it is only being aligned and spun up by the power station at 60 Hz! I have no doubts, and this type of energy comes directly from the Proton layer of the atoms, that is AC power, one level deeper then irons magnets. The problem with using copper is the back EMF that opposes the motion feeds back to the power plant and makes it harder to set up this rotation. The reflection of the electron shell stablizing the atoms in the copper opposes the force that created it on the proton level where the actual power of spin is being transferred.

Copper has an extra proton, iron has one extra electron! Imagine this. Between the two is all of our electronics technology built on the erronious belief that power comes from the power station and not from the materials atoms we use to deliver it to the home!

Consciousness

In the opening statements of Wilbert Smiths paper "The New Science" the part the first time reader cannot even imagine why he is stating this, Wilbert begins speaking about "awareness." Immediatly most people then take a jump to the next section. However to understand the advanced patterns, we have to start at the starting point for a creator of the universe and then progress the other direction to come up with this creation we observe from the root perception. This leap of perception, brings with it a new level of vocabulary that now comes to life. Tempic field has a meaning, and it has observable parameters of distortion for what we see as a stable world "exception" to our current science. At first it is very hard to have a feel felt sense for what tempic field even is, but it is infact the first force necessary for the others to exist within.

If this does not come to life, then go back to the first paragraph and get the awareness part! I do not believe you are going to grasp how Joe Manifests things, until you include this step in all the calculation to follow, of how EM fits in all this and how there is a "field force," you have yet to grasp the deeper meaning of. A field force that can effect the medium we live inside of, and so it is nearly impossible to perceive from the "inside perception of physical life looking inwards at the atoms from the outside."

Einstien had accurately observed time effects and explained gravity as a bending of the space, although he refused to accept that space was anything at all we could manipulate, his formulas for time dialation are proven with experiments in fast moving  jets and with the atomic clocks in the GPS system now. Gravity bends the curvature of space and light still appears to move straight to us through it, because we are inside it and also being bent. He could not make Wilberts mental leap to working on a medium we exist inside of, that we can learn to manipulate, and very simply we can bend space time with simple garage projects!

If you start at the correct point, you will now have a foundation, to not only observe these strange phenomina but to allow your mind to accept they are real, and not go raving mad when you see them happen yourself.

Spiritual people have been talking about the diamagnetic field and vibration for a very long time, and this is the "medium" they are familiar with. If you still have a split in your own head between science and miricles of spiritual faith, then it is you that are not considering all the observed effects happening inside this world and inside this medium.

One cannot dismiss consciousness, and hope to have an accurate understanding of how this world operates, or this universe for that matter. Consciousness is the one constant that exists everywhere, and as Wilbert states, those with greater understanding of this can only suggest we also try to observe that. Consciousness is universal.

There is only one basic fact we have to start with and that is there is a reality and as awareness we all can observe it. The first two real parameters that can not be refuted when starting at the point of "nothing at all." This is the starting point for JC study as far as I am concerned, becasue as you work with it, everything in your life is effected eventually. The nature of the conscious field, is to impart learning and comprehension to everyone seeking it directly, without any human teacher involved. This includes study of your personal physical container, which will have to observe some real distortions of what it may believe is normal and real. Many people will shake things off as a "headache" when their perceptions are first bent in this way because the mind can not accept the perceptions and tries to correct the distortions.

For me the cell teaches the model of your own conscousness, as well as showing you how to alter it at will. Any truth you gain, is then yours, but the creation and its physics belongs to everyone, so any discovery cannot be possessed by any one person. All are free to observe it as well, and to use it personally. Everyone just has not realized this as of yet. They cannot possess any one discovery of "natural science" they can only discover it personally. The advance is Spiritual and changes us personally first.

There is frustration for most who have abilities to use this new energy form, in that it can be impossible to teach it as a science. Because a person has to change themself to even grasp the knowledge, it cannot be just taught to everyone as they are. At one time however, magnets landed in the realm of magic also, now the electric field is common knowledge, eventually all of us will have comprehension of the prime conscious field also, if things keep going on as they have been. Frustration however in knowing who to give what information to, and having it rejected more then accepted, has been the norm in the past. Adepts withdraw, to avoid the conflict in mental concepts, but the conflict is personal in each person.

Someday I hope we can come to a closer "vocabulary" that all will use to communicate these observed truths. This will only be forced on everyone where the math is added  and shown to work positively.

Two Slit Experiment

Our current science has observed things that most people cannot fathom, and often discount. I studied the two slit experiment for a long time to begin to realize how consciousness or awareness can interact with the physical world and manipulate energy patterns within it. It is very simple however, and not hard to get a feel felt experience for, but it is nearly impossible to teach to anyone who is not seeking to grasp it.

The mystery of the photon of light has been a mystery for a long time for most people. Is it a wave or a point source particle? It is necessary  however to understand by observing how it operates to understand how manifesting form is possible.

For some strange reason the creator of this universe wants us to be involved in it's process. After you begin to see what current science has observed it will change how you look at the world totally.

In the two slit experiment we are observing the nature of light. Light being the most magical unit of energy we have access to, it always maintains its own energy without any loss of power no matter how far it travels. Each light photon is related to "planks constant" and the energy contained within that photon is never lost, and it is as fixed as the background matrix of the Aether.

We direct an ominidirectional light through a slit in a wall and then observe it hitting a screen. Photons hit that screen in a pattern as we look for them. However we can move the slit anywhere around that light and get a similiar response at any direction. This means that light travels away from the point source of the light as a wave in all directions, and on that wave front then seemingly new photons can appear to impace a screen as little point source again scattering to our eyes only now from the screen rather then from the bulb. Trying to determine how the wave again becomes a new single point blip on the screen is the key to understanding. The energy of the omnidirectional wave moving in all directions at once outwards as an expanding ring, is the same as the energy from the new impact point on the screen. How in the world did all the energy in the  wave spreading out as a sphere, get into that single point on the screen again and then start spreading out from there once again as a new wave spreading in all directions?

We now put two slits in the wall, and assume light is leaving the bulb as a wave, yet on the screen with the two slit wall we have an interferecnce pattern of two point sources of the light enimating from the slits as if each of them were the light bulb. The one light source is now interacting as two light sources at some distance apart. Now to top this off, it only happens this way if we observe the slits. If we take our focus off the slits, the interfence pattern goes away and the light again becomes only one source moving through two slits straight, as one wave and not two waves interacting.

We can use a light sensing meter to observe the two slits and the same interference pattern will amazingly be created again, but if we remove our "intrest" in observing the two slits they stop becoming point source generation points of the new light beams on the other side of the wall and go back to being only a single source from the light bulb hitting the screen where we still have an intrest to look for them to appear.

That is, the slit itself, is no longer only a channel for light to pass straight through as a single wave from one point source and a single circular ring, it becomes a new omni direction "source" of light scattering in all directions from that place where the slit is! The angles change, and they interact to form lines on the screen as though there were two light sources.

Ok so if I have explained this well, you may realize that observing a thing, with respect to light, changes it's point source charateristics and it's physical location in space, and creates new node positions which become new transmission points for the omni waves  which then react totally differently with each other. Is this some kind of telepathic transportation? Teleportation of photons?

Wilbert Smith included this concept, and calls this the "perception fabric." [One of the 12 concepts necessary to create the world as we observe it.]

If we look for a thing to manifest, and there is energy supporting it, it can re manifest at a new location with the same exact energy from the original point source. And planks constant proves, the energy level of the photons from the two new light sources is in fact exactly as strong as the photons from the first point source are. On top of this now the two interact as if they were the original and interact simultanously with one another to create a new pattern on the screen which was never there before we added the wall, or the second slit in the wall, or the "observing" of the two slits to look for the photons to appear there. Wow!

This is multiplicity of the one, and is in fact the creative forces method I think, and already observed in our current physics. Our perception, operates on the background energy to manifest multiplicity. We can seemingly create photons by looking for them to appear at a specific location!

Only in Joe Cell work, have the experimenters faced this, and call it "Y factor." Your personal perception will effect the outcome. This is no longer a measure of just having faith, it is a truth observed in science also. Your intrests and desires will move energy around in this physical world, and now with a conscious machine like the JC, it can do this also for you and even amplify your ability to do it. Just as my pipe smoke filled the whole house, through walls that are well sealed and never leaked smoke through in the past.

It's only magic if you have not grasped the concepts of a coherent field, and that all matter and energy structure is only a pattern of a field force which can be duplicated in the levels of light operation, or within the radiant field,  that its pattern can change it's size almost instantly within the Aether medium due to field coherence actions.

Within the coherent field you can talk to all the atoms simultaniously as one, and then as they seperate, they can all do something alone and yet the same as all the others now in pattern.

Science has observed these things, but people have not yet felt the impact personally of how powerful their own part of perception choice really is.

The conscious field operates on the background field directly, and the EM field operates inside this field as a subset.

The conscious field has dominance over the EM fields. The Spiritual people win in an all out power struggle between the two perceptions. It's not really mind over matter it's will or focus and technique over Aether. I believe this is where logic eventually takes us, by the study of natural law. However the Spiritual people need to realize, they have to stop pretending and imagining things. If you cannot set up experiments to prove this to yourself, then you are not an autority by any means, and if you can do it, you still cannot teach it to anyone not seeking to change themself drastically from societies entrophy belief system. LOL! Thus at this time there are no authorities in this field.

There are many people I know who have manifested what science would call a miricle, Joe is not the only one. When you start expressing your desire to connect with others who have also done things like transmuting matters form, people you never knew may start contacting you to compare notes. Many will not want their names shared publically, and probably all of them have a different vocabulary for how they believe they do it. Trying to cypher this from their vocabulary can only work if you have the same meaning for all the words they are using, and if you have removed all the same blinders from direct experiment yourself.

I have struggled to find a vocabulary we could all agree on, and even yet have not succeeded very well at that. Joe Cell is only one small part of this because it is happening in many other avenues of science also.

It's like trying to get two channelers of the Glactic Federation to compare notes and see if they can first accurately channel one another right here on the earth. Few would even agree to such a test and yet wish us to believe they are the only one channeling it correctly, and the other channels are seeing it all wrong. Until they can channel one another, where what they see can be verified, how can anyone positivly accept their off world channeling is accurate? Where the perception fabric is encountered we all percieve more what we choose to see, then what is actually out there, as it is, before we looked for it. In our looking for it, we generate new interference patterns! The image then changes depending on who is looking and what they are expecting to see. Our current electronics technology is very much biased as to where it's power actually originates.

How is it possible the consciousness of the copper in the wire is involved in the power girds operation, and the wire itself is the force powering the light bulb? The generators only have to work hard because we have not yet learned how to cancel the reflected back EMF that opposes it's motion, from the two layers of the copper medium trying to maintain the copper atoms physical structure intelligently.

For some strange reason, God wants us involved in the creation process I think. LOL!

Thanks for reading,

Dave L 

Relativity and Special Relativity -

Einstien - atomic energy - light velocity - how does it all relate?

When I met James he was convinced that voltage only really had two poles and all was only relative to the seperation of the charge into two places, and there was no other reference that really had any bearing.

Einstien had this same view, and in his derivation of the formula relating energy mass and light velocity he used only two points of reference moving with respect to one another. Because he did not relate his equation also to the center of the universe as the third point there is a paradox created.

If two awarenesses or say people in a rocket move away from one another at close to c velocity, there is a time scale alteration and also a physical dimension compression along the line running between them, and compression of the distance between them. This is relativity of two positions that move with respect to one another. He derrived the formula from two rectilinear grids moving against one another with all three dimensions present for each, based on the fact that as they each percieve light velocity they will record it exactly the same, however the light moving between the two objects cannot be traveling at the same velocity unless space itself becomes shorter during the trip. One physical dimension then shrinks based on your velocity through space as you approach C velocity.

He did not consider if one point was on the earth and the other was in a moving ship, what happens when the ship comes back to earth, did the people in the ship age more or did the people on the earth age more rapidly? It was assumed the people in the ship would age slower, and the people on the earth would age faster, and indeed when they took atomic clocks into jets and ran them around the earth a few time, the clocks in the jets ran slower when the jets had returned to the surface of the earth for a comparison.

Consider however now the sun a different point of relativity, and the earth moving around it at a pretty rapid velocity also, how complex this may become. Every position in the universe and its velocity will alter the time flow rate with respect to the center of the galaxy based on it's velocity around that center. Wilbert Smith diagrammed this as stacking plates and then finding the sum of all the velocities of all the paths of the circles.

In Einstiens world of  E = MC^2, there is not enough energy in the universe to push matter up to light velocity. He had no clue we could alter the density of the background Aether and when we did this light velocity would then also be altered along with it. In his world of calculating energy as EM equivalent or mass equivalent as current science operating inside the Aether medium, there was no solution to intergalactic transportation at faster then light speed velocieties. You can not observe this when studying light inside the earths bubble except in special places where energy vortexes exist.

Einstien did prove the link between gravity and light velocity, in that a "gravity well" bends the path of light, and the light believes it is traveling straight and does not see the warp.

Otis Carr is credited, by me, as the first person to show how matter, like photons, can transport themselves to another point in space as a radiant phenomina. Teleportation of the craft was achieved. This is a quality of light also discovered in the two slit experiment. Coherent matter, like coherent light from a lazar, can in fact transport itself consciously to another position, if the pilot only looks for that to happen, and expects it. Looking at Otis Carrs ship we can see it involved "inertial" and frequency vibration patterns, and it also used EM to set up the velocities of the cones in the Utrons, and the pulsing rates of the counter rotating cones.

Tesla demonstrated an energy movement that propagated at pi/2 times C, or faster then light speed as we measure lightspeed. For all we know Carrs saucer traveled at some velocity or some product to pi/2 power times C, or even faster. You could relate this to warp speed, but it is how vibrational layering forms and can be shown directly with crystal spheres or with resonant bismuth slugs.

In Carrs saucer, it was like a light photon only faster, the ship dissintegrated to the outer boundary layer of the universe and then converged again at the location down the field, and was there before the occupants realized they had moved.

Each photon of light as well as each atom of matter likely has this conscious connection with the entire universe, from the outer boundary layer. Sliding consciously in the 4th density, gives an awareness of this process.

Because Carr was operating from the conscious side, the people living in thier physical minds had no awareness they had even moved. They were disintegrated, and reintegrated, and the in between part they were only on the outer boundary of the universe as energy. The quantum energy bundle of all thier atoms was not lost any more then a photon can loose it's quantum energy.

The conscious force superceeds the EM stuff. As a coherent vibrational field of correct geometry, all inhabitants of the saucer were moved in physical location, without their permission, and the very space they occupied was repositioned along with them too, as well as any magnets they may have had in their pockets. LOL! The craft traveled as if it were light, but from a higher light velocity density so it likely traveled faster then light.

Dave L

Canadian Gift to the world
GEM =
God's Electricity Machine

THIS IS A FREE FOR ALL
self generating electricity machine

please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
could I ask someone
to build this simple item for me
it is relatively easy to build
and should be very cheap
built out of junkyard parts even
to reproduce in any scale, any voltage,

  (I happen to be disabled + unable to build this)
It should be very cheap
built out of junkyard parts even
to reproduce in any scale, any voltage,

I know that it seems too simple to work
but I proved that it works with my electric wheelchair experiment
it seems too stupidly simple to work
but it does,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

this is the Canadian Gift to the world
please prove that it does work
in all scales + voltages

I would prefer if it was proved before tomorrow
there must be a way that the multiplication works
if you put power into a wheel turning very slowly
and then take power out of the motor(s)
that spin hundreds of times faster

just think of it
you could be to first person in the world
to have a working free energy device
that comes with saving our world
by producing a free
so that we could actually start helping our environment
instead of continuing to polluting it
with fossil fuel byproducts of air pollution
or radioactive waist left over

Subject: Free energy 4u2

Help me, help others, help themselves
we could start a new + improved industrial age
one that not only cause little mess of pollution
like in the original industrial age brought with it

This one could actually help our environment
by producing costless to run air and water filters
we could possibly have every back yard mechanic
coming out with very specialized adoptions
for this free energy box, cube, machine

And how, you might add, did I come up with this,
I didn't, it was God,(Holy Spirit) Who showed this to me,
And I think God deserves all the credit,,,

I think that God has shown me something awesome,
Something miraculous,
He has shown me how to get electricity to generate itself.

I have stumbled upon the
PERPETUAL MOTION machine

Yes,,,,, and even better than perpetual,,,,
,,, this machine actually makes its own power,
as in – this system uses passing time to gain electrical energy,
yessss,,, we can let electricity generate itself,,,,
No more dependency on OIL, and the middle east oil supplies,,,
= and the world says,

YESSSSSSS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Now hold on just a moment,,,
I know that this is not a true example of perpetual motion,,,
Because of bearings alone,
or should I say, the fact that they will wear out eventually,
That is why I added the word "machine" afterwards

This is a man made machine,
Which only mimics perpetual motion,
As it continues to run, seemingly forever,
Producing electricity as a side effect, (bonus !!!)

And how, you might add, did I come up with this,
I didn't, it was God,(Holy Spirit) Who showed this to me,
And I think God deserves all the credit,,,

This great invention,,,
is my electric wheelchair,,,,,,,
When I go up + down hills,
I gain more power than I use,,,
As in, a net gain of energy,
After going up and down a steep hill,

This is a gift from God,,,
             As He has shared this with me,
                         To share with the world,

I do not know why my Lord has chosen to share this with me, at this time,
        Maybe it is because my Father knows that time is short,
and He wants to show all mankind,
      just one more way that He is Love,,,

God has shown me,
a way of gaining free energy,
seemingly from nothing,

This came to me when I was over visiting at the park,
I was thinking about how electricity worked,
and how my electric chair had the ability to charge itself,
on most any type of downhill run,
(as it uses an electrical breaking system)

I don't know if you know anything about me or not,
but learning new things is one of my greatest pleasures
and,,,,
When investigating how things work,,,
I always have to push the limits,,, lol
not only learning how things works,
but then tinker with trying to improve them,,,,, lol

I went with the idea of a ten speed bicycle, (something that I knew about)
Where I wanted to go uphill in tenth gear, (least rotations of the pedals)=motor
and then downhill in first gear, (most rotations of pedals)=motor
so, I would go uphill at full speed,
and then downhill at slow speed
So,,, now I had something to experiment with,
now I had measurable tests to do,

I started off with a low battery, (so that I did not have the power to drive all
the way up)
driving up a long steep hill at the park in the full speed position, (tenth
gear)
(until my chair would not go any further, as my battery was dead)
and then going back down the hill in slow speed, (first gear)
(not super slow, as I had time limits = only 4-6 hours of sunlight left)
Then I immediately turned around, and went back up at full speed,
And guess what happened,,,,
I could travel twenty feet higher up the hill,
so, I had a net gain of electricity,,, (a blessing)

Logic and common sense says,
that you will have energy losses,
do to heat from friction if nothing else,
causing you to not be able to make it as far up the hill,
the second time you drive up it,

Well, I first thought that this might just be a strange happening,
so I did it again and again, doing it three times,
each time gaining twenty more feet, up a steep hill, (60 feet total)
Not only did I do it three times that day,
but I later thought that this went against logic, (I must have dreamed it)
and I did the whole experiment over,
with the same electricity gaining results

I know that there are inner workings of the motor + drive system,
that I have not even roughly looked into,
to find out why + how it works like a 10 speed,
Sorry, but I have no time to color + shade in this drawing,
I could only give you this rough sketch,
and let others get the enjoyment of coloring in the details,
may this bring you at least some of the thrills that I have experien-ced,
when I was showed this amazing reasoning,
Please read (Luke 18:29-30)

Someone could easily build a self supplying energy producing power supply,
With a 12v battery,(not needed) two motors, a small and large pulley, and a
belt,
You connect the motor with the big pulley up as a power in, driver motor,
And then connect the motor,(s) with the small pulley to be used as an output
When you put power into the drive motor,
You get out a multiple of this power, (on each of the out generators)
Compared to the size difference of the drive motor, (large pulley)
And your output or generator motor. (small pulley)

--- (after thought) ---
I feel bad,,, about being so sluggish,
Wishing that I could have spoken of these things earlier,
as in, as soon as it came to me, a few years ago,
(I had a hard time wondering why this was not discovered earlier)
((I guess that we are waiting on His Timing))
(((as nobody seems to be listening to my logic)))
((((nobody has built one for me yet, to prove me wrong)))

NOW
Please,,, send this to everybody you know,,, so that we can have more people
working on ways to utilize this new use for old technology,,,, after all, more
is usually better,,,,,,,,


I will be emailing this to all of our Canadian government
as well as to as many news services that I can
to help get this new technology out in our world fast
and start helping our environment

believe me,,, I know how unbelievable this sounds
I had to repeat the experiment three times
to get a better understanding of how to believe what I was seeing
and then I even thought that I must have dreamed it
and had to repeat the exercise the three times again, about a week later

All I need is, for one person to take this serious
and to actually take the minimal time to build this contraption for me
I feel that this will take off like wildfire
as soon as the world gets a chance to take a look at this

THIS IS A FREE FOR ALL
Perpetual Motion machine
self generating electricity

Hello,

  	 I feel both excited and extremely blessed, to be the one that gets to tell
the world of this miraculous mechanism and amazing, world changing discovery.
This mechanism is an easy way of letting electricity generate itself, using time
and the circumference difference of two pulleys. This means no fuel is needed to
operate this, the only things used tomultiply electric power, is the differences
in two circumferences and the time it operates. This means that no steady cost
of fuel is needed, nor is there any pollution created by the process. That's
right, I will tell you how anyone can get electricity to generate itself,
without having to own nor having to be contained in an electric wheelchair,,,
lol.

I say this because it was my electric wheelchair that helped me think of, and
prove to myself that this idea really works. I was in a wheelchair because of an
automobile accident, where I was not only paralysed, but I found out that I was
the recipient of a rather severe closed head injury. I woke up six months later,
to find myself paralysed, with one bum left arm and hand, and unable to talk. I
had to first relearn how to speak, to be able to ask what had happened to me, as
not only had I lost most all my short term memory, but I could not remember. as
well as many other things, like

 	 Just think of it, We could all have our own stand alone, self powering
electricity generators, with only the initial cost of building it,(could be made
of junkyard parts). These power manufacturers could be producing a seemingly
endless supply of free electricity, all for the cost of upkeep. It is easy
enough to build, as all you need is a twelve volt battery, two 12 Volt
motors,(one DC + one AC) one large pulley, and at least one small pulley, a belt
that fits the pulleys, and the hardware to put these parts together.(nuts +
bolts + framing to mount on). This could even be done with 120 volt motors, to
produce power for yourself, or to use as an income when you sell it back to the
power company.

((along with electronics, such as an AC and a DC motor, a battery=(not needed),
wires, a bridge rectifier and a voltage regulator, of equal voltage))
((all of the electronics to run this could be easily built on a simple
proto-board))

(you might even be able to use any voltage motors - even 120 Volt)
((taking your output from the ac motor leads))
(((as I don't think the battery is a necessary component)))

It is a very simple mechanism in its workings, as it works by putting power into
the motor with the big pulley attached, and you take power out from the
motor-(generator) with the small pulley attached. The output motor, or several
motors even, the one(s) with the small pulley attached, rotates a lot faster
than your input motor,(more speed = increase in power). There is a belt
connecting the two,(or more) motors together, that can be as small as you want,
depending on if you required size constraints, or as large as you want, to
accommodate multiple output generators,,, like in our petrol fuelled power
stations, they could be easily modified to run on their own power. I cannot be
sure, without having results from tests, but I think that we can gain more
power, with every output generator that you add with a small pulley. But there
is a warning that I have to give you, of a possible hazardous flaw in this free
electricity generating system.

CAUTON,,,,,,,,,,
If this system is allowed to run freely,
without having any outside drain of power,
this system will overcharge itself,
and may even explode.
So, please,,,
be careful when experimenting with this mechanism.

Maybe this should be called an Energy Multiplier,
as you always need at least a little power,
to generate the greater amount of power.

 	 I believe that we have been given a great gift, one that I think can help the
whole world. The thing is,,, that I do not have sufficient funds to get the
patent for this invention myself. This is where I wanted the Canadian government
to step in and patent this idea, so that our citizens do not have to pay taxes
any more,,, lol. I imagine that the royalties from this could not only replace
our taxes, but would soon repay our national dept. Especially since, I can see
all nations soon making laws regarding the need to convert to this non polluting
form of producing electrical energy.

I later found a site on the web that said
That if you published something on the web
But did not choose to patent it
You would open it up to be used freely by everybody
So,,, this was the choice I decided on
To put the plans out on the web for all to use freely

Why not let electricity generate itself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

PLEASE,,,
- take this serious, it does work, take a close look at this,,,
- I proved that it does indeed work with my electric wheelchair
- could I ask you to build a proto-type and prove it works.
- I cannot build it myself, because of an automobile accident in 96
- which not only paralyzed me, but took all of my manual dexterity
- and ruined my ability to build this device myself

This is a free source of energy.
I will demonstrate my gain of power to anyone at any time,,,,,,,,,,,
I went to the local paper, and submitted an earlier version of my description of
this
But I guess that my description of it, and how I proved that it worked was not
good enough, because they did not print my earlier writing and diagram. (not as
detailed)
I will send this disciption to the News papers + stations also
to see if they will publish a story about one mans dream
to give this world a needed gift

This discovery (a self generating electricity multiplier)

(((I already sent the Canadian government an earlier coply of this, with no
reaction.)))
(((Maybe they would better understand this description)))

Sorry, but I did not have the money to buy, nor do I know of anybody that I can
ask to loan me, any kind of Mechano set. What I needed was a toy that is for
building things, (like Lego) that has motors and pulleys, so that I could build
a prototype of this mechanism. I guess that is one of the reasons that I have
decided to send this out to the world, to see if they will prove that it works.
But I most want to see if we Canadian's can put this out on the web, so that all
people can have their own free electricity generators. Even though I truly hoped
that our Canadian government would take this serious enough, to take a patent
out on, so that we do not have to pay taxes anymore,,, lol.


Benefits to humanity:
- To be an effective way to decrease our negative environmental effects on our
earth,
- To be able to give free electrical power to all people,
- To greatly reduce our oil dependency,
- To give the Middle East less power,
- To lessen the chance of our need for oil getting us into another war,
- To put a needed boast to our economy,
--- by creating many new items to manufacture and sell

I want to get this out in the market fast,,,
so that there are many of these around,
for everybody to get their hands on,
so that we can all have free running electric cars
As well as having their own 120 volt power supplies
there is a full diagram of this device at
http://free-energy.yolasite.com/

how about energy multiplication
where you have two equal voltage motors
one is DC for input
which has a large pulley attached to it
the second motor is AC
on a much smaller pulley
this way your driver motor only turns a few times
while your output motor spins hundreds of times
you get a multiple of power out
compared to the power you put in
you run your output motor, (or multiple motors)
through a full wave bridge rectifier and voltage regulator
to power your DC input motor
and take AC power straight off your AC generator
You could start this system running by giving the big pulley a little turn

I proved this works
with my electric wheelchair
gaining 20 feet more distance up a steep hill
every time I drove up the hill fast
and then drove back down the hill slow
(I had to set my chair to max torq=1st gear and max speed=10th gear)

We could all be putting power back into the system, by building a rough
Perpetual Motion mechanisms out of junk yard parts even. I would imagine that
the manufacturing industry would quickly come out with these mechanisms in all
sizes, so that people could easily supplement their incomes by selling power to
the power companies.

Sorry,
but I happen to be disabled + on Canada Pension
so I do not have the ability to do many experiments
nor do I have the funds to pay someone else to build a proto-type
but I was hoping that someone would build a proto-type
and prove this works before too long
It is dirt simple to build

PLEASE,,,
Someone build this and report back on your results
there is a diagram of this device at
http://free-energy.yolasite.com/

I will try to put the drawing in the file section of each forum I visit
please,,, this is a gift
It is here for you to do with what you want
it is cheap and easy to build
the fuel it burns is time
the more time you run it
the more power you get out of it
True Source of a real free energy system.
This is a Gift to all of mankind and the rest of nature,
( no more fossil fuels polluting our environment )
free energy machine = let Electricity multiply itself

PLEASE let us act FAST
Let this be a Gift to all mankind

We could all be putting power back into the system, by building a rough
Perpetual Motion mechanisms out of junk yard parts even. I would imagine that
the manufacturing industry would quickly come out with these mechanisms in all
sizes, so that people could easily supplement their incomes by selling power to
the power companies.

--- In EVGRAY@yahoogroups.com, Joe <one_christian_warrior@...> wrote:
>
> we could have free 120 volt AC power
> I think this should be be easy enough to run 120 volt AC out of the leads in
the diagram
> I dont even think that it will need a battery
> you just take your 120 volt AC off the leads of this machine
> befor it goes into the bridge rectifier\
> I would hope that there is a 120 volt DC motor out there to use
>
> please,,, someone build this free 120 volt AC power suply
> I cannot, as I was disabled in a car accident
> on canada pension
> so I cannot afford to pay someone to build it
>
> we could have an easy to build
> 120 volt AC free energy power supply
> for each and every home

this energy multiplication system works,,,
it does not work on electronics calculations
but works on large speed differences
between your input and your output motors

this major multiplication of rpms is great enough
to negate any loss due to friction losses
because of the vast circumference difference
between your input motor (extremely slow)
and the output motor (extremely fast)
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
ok, lets just keep talking about how this wont work
never really even trying to build it, (it is too far fetched to believe)
and let this blessing to mankind be missed

I have a great idea
If someone could build this device
on a circuit diagnostic program
they could both prove that it works
and we would have a video of it to put on utube

let's change the world


I have been searching for a free circuit simulator
to make a u-tube video of this free energy device
to get ALL of the back yard mechanics in this world
working on modifications of this awesome machine
http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/
Could I get you to tell me of a program that would serve my purposes
or put a working animation of how this device works on the web
to help the world economy, as well as our ecology
giving our power hungry society a free source of energy
that could actually help our population
and help our environment

PLEASE HELP

Please remember, that you might need to add multiple, (3 or 4) AC output motors
on this system, in order for it to break even and continue to run. It also would
work better if you had a very large diameter pulley on the input,(DC drive)
motor, and extremely small diameter pulleys on the output,(AC generator) motor.

One multiplication factor is
the circumference difference between
the pulleys attached to
the DC drive motor (very large)
and the AC generator(s) (smaller the better)

Another multiplication factor
could be the number of AC generators
that you have on this one drive motor + pulley
it could be tens or even hundreds of them on a very large belt

I wish that I had the dexterity
and the experimental equipment
to be able to see these tests work for myself
could I get reports on how your experiments went

but remember the circuit simulator software
http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/
I should be able to use it to do experiments myself
and even see the figures on the multiplication factors
If, I can ever figure out how to use it, lol

this is so simple
I cannot understand why
this was not discovered long ago

Later,
. . . . joe

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There's a new site at www.walter-russell.com
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I suspect the JC is tapping the same source.

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Hello all,

A cell's unit charge doesn't come directly from its low voltage charging source;
such as a 12 volt battery. It's the bursting surface bubbles that actually
create unit charge in a cell. Of course without a charging source there would be
no bubbles to burst. Thus it's safe to say that unit charge in a cell begins
with a charging source; water, and cylinders. Working together these three
produce bursting bubbles on the surface of the water. Each bursting bubble sends
out a string of jet droplets that rocket away at high velocity.

As droplets exit the bubble they carry charge with them. This is a cell's way of
separating negative and positive ions, which leaves the cell water with one
polarity ions while the vapor formed by jet droplets transports the other
polarity ions away from the cell. The departing ions contained in the vapor can
transfer electrical charge to nearby metal objects.

I have conducted quite a few tests concerning unit charge and I can now say for
sure; on this date; 4-29-2012, that a Joe cell, or any other cell similar to a
Joe cell; can develop a dc voltage that is many times higher in value than the
dc voltage source connected to the cell. Voltage amplification occurs when a
cell is being charged, and electrolysis is ongoing. Unit charge can be measured
with a dc surface voltmeter, or by other special methods, but can not be
measured with normal digital or analog voltmeters.

The basic requirement for a cell's unit charge to begin developing is that the
cell; the charging source, and all wiring must absolutely have no earth ground
reference.

Thanks,
James Goss

James,

Do you think that the unit charge might be occurring based on whether there
are more atoms of hydrogen coming in contact with the plate then atoms of
oxygen. Hydrogen, being lighter than air tends to rise, whereas oxygen has
more tendency to spread out. And it might even make a difference if the H
gas is monatomic or diatomic. Don't know how you would go about testing
this. It would take an electrolyzer that separates the gases. And there's
the issue of the gases been steered to some extent by the existing electric
fields in place.

Bernie


-----Original Message-----
From: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jgosscacc1
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:56 AM
To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Re: Unit charge update

Hello all,

A cell's unit charge doesn't come directly from its low voltage charging
source; such as a 12 volt battery. It's the bursting surface bubbles that
actually create unit charge in a cell. Of course without a charging source
there would be no bubbles to burst. Thus it's safe to say that unit charge
in a cell begins with a charging source; water, and cylinders. Working
together these three produce bursting bubbles on the surface of the water.
Each bursting bubble sends out a string of jet droplets that rocket away at
high velocity.

As droplets exit the bubble they carry charge with them. This is a cell's
way of separating negative and positive ions, which leaves the cell water
with one polarity ions while the vapor formed by jet droplets transports the
other polarity ions away from the cell. The departing ions contained in the
vapor can transfer electrical charge to nearby metal objects.

I have conducted quite a few tests concerning unit charge and I can now say
for sure; on this date; 4-29-2012, that a Joe cell, or any other cell
similar to a Joe cell; can develop a dc voltage that is many times higher in
value than the dc voltage source connected to the cell. Voltage
amplification occurs when a cell is being charged, and electrolysis is
ongoing. Unit charge can be measured with a dc surface voltmeter, or by
other special methods, but can not be measured with normal digital or analog
voltmeters.

The basic requirement for a cell's unit charge to begin developing is that
the cell; the charging source, and all wiring must absolutely have no earth
ground reference.

Thanks,
James Goss





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Hello Bernie,

Could possibly be, but for cell water to develop a positive unit charge,
negative ions must be removed from the water. Only way for them to leave is by
way of vapor rising from the water.

I've recently determined that if vapor is removed from the top area of the cell
as soon as it develops, and at a constant rate; the cell's unit charge increases
in value much faster. With the water I'm using at this time the cell always
develops a positive unit charge in respect to earth ground. I've tried both
straight and reversed cell polarities and both provide a positive unit charge
with this cell. As the water improves things might change, but the way it is now
it looks like a cell's unit charge is independent of cell polarity. I didn't
leave the cell in reverse polarity that long; once I seen it was going positive,
so I may need to check this out again.

If I artificially place a negative unit charge on the cell, as an example a
negative 200 volts; when the charging source is connected; the cell changes over
to a positive charge and begins increasing.

I did an experiment today that showed bubbles generated by air instead of
electrolysis will also generate charge. The same cell was used and its normal
low voltage charge was still active. I placed an air supply line down the center
tube to the bottom of the cell. The small air tank and its tubing was also
isolated from earth ground using the same technique as I use for the cell and
batteries. No charging voltage was applied to the cell, its terminals were open.

Before I opened the air valve the cell had a unit charge of near 30 volts
negative. This was probably due to me disconnecting the 24 volt negative source
lead last. Whichever source lead is disconnected last leaves its imprint on the
cell. When I cracked the air valve the cell did go positive to about 25 volts
after a few minutes. One limiting factor was the size of the bubbles; they were
way too large. It's the thousands of tiny bubbles that create unit charge. I
believe it would be almost impossible to create bubbles in the sizes that are
created with electrolysis.

Thanks,
James

 

Hello Bernie,

Could possibly be, but for cell water to develop a positive unit charge, negative ions must be removed from the water. Only way for them to leave is by way of vapor rising from the water.

I've recently determined that if vapor is removed from the top area of the cell as soon as it develops, and at a constant rate; the cell's unit charge increases in value much faster. With the water I'm using at this time the cell always develops a positive unit charge in respect to earth ground. I've tried both straight and reversed cell polarities and both provide a positive unit charge with this cell. As the water improves things might change, but the way it is now it looks like a cell's unit charge is independent of cell polarity. I didn't leave the cell in reverse polarity that long; once I seen it was going positive, so I may need to check this out again.

If I artificially place a negative unit charge on the cell, as an example a negative 200 volts; when the charging source is connected; the cell changes over to a positive charge and begins increasing.

I did an experiment today that showed bubbles generated by air instead of electrolysis will also generate charge. The same cell was used and its normal low voltage charge was still active. I placed an air supply line down the center tube to the bottom of the cell. The small air tank and its tubing was also isolated from earth ground using the same technique as I use for the cell and batteries. No charging voltage was applied to the cell, its terminals were open.

Before I opened the air valve the cell had a unit charge of near 30 volts negative. This was probably due to me disconnecting the 24 volt negative source lead last. Whichever source lead is disconnected last leaves its imprint on the cell. When I cracked the air valve the cell did go positive to about 25 volts after a few minutes. One limiting factor was the size of the bubbles; they were way too large. It's the thousands of tiny bubbles that create unit charge. I believe it would be almost impossible to create bubbles in the sizes that are created with electrolysis.

Thanks,
James

----- Original Message -----

From: David G Dawson

To: joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: [Joe Cell Free Energy Device] Re: Unit charge update

 

It is the Negative Ions that are emitted from the Joe Cell that allows rain to occur in the immediate vacinity and I have proven that many times here locally.
This is one of the reasons why the Negative and Positive Resonant Ion Guns are so successful in making it rain and that can be accomplished at the most distant and remote parts of the Country.
Negative Ions and Aetheric resonance at the right frequency bring rain.
Should be poking these things into my '86 Seca instead of the Joe Cell and will probably take off - LOL!

Smokey

On 30/04/2012 10:58 AM, jgosscacc1 wrote:

 

Hello Bernie,

Could possibly be, but for cell water to develop a positive unit charge, negative ions must be removed from the water. Only way for them to leave is by way of vapor rising from the water.

I've recently determined that if vapor is removed from the top area of the cell as soon as it develops, and at a constant rate; the cell's unit charge increases in value much faster. With the water I'm using at this time the cell always develops a positive unit charge in respect to earth ground. I've tried both straight and reversed cell polarities and both provide a positive unit charge with this cell. As the water improves things might change, but the way it is now it looks like a cell's unit charge is independent of cell polarity. I didn't leave the cell in reverse polarity that long; once I seen it was going positive, so I may need to check this out again.

If I artificially place a negative unit charge on the cell, as an example a negative 200 volts; when the charging source is connected; the cell changes over to a positive charge and begins increasing.

I did an experiment today that showed bubbles generated by air instead of electrolysis will also generate charge. The same cell was used and its normal low voltage charge was still active. I placed an air supply line down the center tube to the bottom of the cell. The small air tank and its tubing was also isolated from earth ground using the same technique as I use for the cell and batteries. No charging voltage was applied to the cell, its terminals were open.

Before I opened the air valve the cell had a unit charge of near 30 volts negative. This was probably due to me disconnecting the 24 volt negative source lead last. Whichever source lead is disconnected last leaves its imprint on the cell. When I cracked the air valve the cell did go positive to about 25 volts after a few minutes. One limiting factor was the size of the bubbles; they were way too large. It's the thousands of tiny bubbles that create unit charge. I believe it would be almost impossible to create bubbles in the sizes that are created with electrolysis.

Thanks,
James

Hello all,

Lately I've been testing the ability of a Joe cell that's charged with unit
charge to transfer charge to remote objects. Charge can be transferred to nearby
metal objects that are in contact with the cell's vapor. However, transferring
charge this way has a very limited range.

I've recently tested charge transfer as a result of a cell's electric field. An
electric field developed by a cell's unit charge can reach out quite some
distance from the cell. Any metal object within that field can receive charge if
relative motion is involved.

Even though ampacity of a cell's unit charge is very low in value; the cell's
electric field still has the same density as a field produced by a charge having
a higher ampacity rating. Transferring charge by induction instead of vapor
contact doesn't relieve a cell of its unit charge value, as does charge by vapor
contact. A cell's field is very; very sensitive and the least bit of disruption
will cause the field to collapse. This is due to its low ampacity capability,
and basically if the cell must suddenly furnish current from its unit charge;
the field collapses.

Charge transfer by induction means that nothing actually touches the cell, or
even has to come near it. Charge can be transferred time and time again and the
cell doesn't loose its field. A cell can develop unit charge up to two hundred
volts or so; even with fresh water in the cell. As a cell conditions the water;
unit charge can increase to over 1,000 volts. How high it goes after that is
basically determined by the water and the cell's environment.

With a self generated unit charge of 200 volts on the cell I've been
experimenting with; its field extends out about two feet in all directions. With
a 500 volt charge I can measure its presence up to eight feet. At 1,000 volts
the field extends out to over 10 feet. I personally can't perceive the field; I
use other methods to actually measure its strength.

Any electrically neutral metal object that's isolated from earth ground, and
approaches a charged cell will become stressed to produce a positive charge. If
that same object is placed near the cell while still electrically neutral, and
then recedes away from the cell; it becomes stressed to produce a negative
charge. Once a cell's unit charge induces charge into a nearby metal object,
that object then has the ability to induce charge into yet another metal object.
This can be repeated on down the line.

It appears that unit charge polarity had no relationship with pH of the water. I
tested the cell water with both extremes of pH; basic and acidic. In each case
unit charge developed with positive polarity. I might have mentioned before that
cell polarity doesn't change the polarity for unit charge either, at least for
this cell with the water it's using at this time. Both straight and reverse cell
polarity yields a positive unit charge.

Thanks,
James Goss

Hello all,

When a Joe cell develops its unit charge; the charge is distributed to
everything having connections to the cell. Thus the battery bank and conductors
all share the same charge value. For a cell's basic charging source batteries
must be used. Any power supply operating from the ac power lines will not allow
unit charge to build up. This is due to earth ground reference being associated
with the ac system.

My next phase of unit charge experiments has been to see if a cell will share
its unit charge with other metal objects. In the previous post I was describing
how a cell can charge other objects by use of its electric field, which is
charging by induction. And before that I was describing charging a metal plate
by vapor contact. What I am going to describe now is charging by connecting a
metal object directly to the cell's cylinders.

Since I've discovered a cell's ability to develop unit charge; I've been
wondering if a small Joe cell could perhaps charge very large metal objects. Or
maybe unit charge would not build up at all; or would the field be even more
sensitive and collapse at the blink of an eye.

For the first test I used a 16 inch diameter metal sphere, which had been used
as a top terminal for a Van de Graaff generator. The sphere was placed two feet
from the cell and located so negative vapor from the cell would not make
contact. A small fan controlled the vapor's path. A jumper wire was connected
from the sphere to the cell's anode lead, and the sphere was isolated from earth
ground using the same technique as the cell.

The cell being used in this test has four 6 inch long 316 SS cylinders, with a 1
inch diameter cathode and .5 inch gaps. Power supply is a 24 volt series battery
bank connected so the cell had straight polarity.

The sphere charged up with no trouble at all. It was like the cell didn't know
the sphere was attached. Best I could tell the charge time was not much longer
than without the sphere being connected. Compared to the cell's size the sphere
has several times the surface area as that of the cell. After about eight
minutes the sphere displayed over 1,300 volts and rising. I decided to increase
the size and go to a much larger object to charge.

Next I set up a very large toroid terminal I already had in the lab. It was
originally uses as a top load terminal for a giant Tesla coil. It would be equal
to about 25 or more of the spheres previously used. Same insulating technique
from earth ground was used. A single conductor connected the toroid terminal to
the cell's anode.

It took about twice as long, but the toroid terminal charged up to the same
value as that of the cell. After seeing this little Joe cell charge such a large
object I believe a Joe cell that's set up correctly for developing unit charge
can charge any size metal object, no matter how large it is as long as its earth
isolated. This includes a vehicle chassis if its tires provide enough isolation
from earth, but most newer vehicles would not; due to static rated tires.

This experiment confirms that under the right conditions any metal object
attached to a Joe cell while it's being charged by batteries; can receive unit
charge from the cell. It doesn't matter where the connection is made to the
cell, charge will be transferred. The connection can be made to any of the
cylinders or directly to the water, or to the outer case; it makes no
difference.

Thanks,
James Goss

James.
  About the unit charge. Is it static electricity? Could you notice it with a
compass? (is it a magnetic field ).
Could possibly the HE (lutron switch) do the same thing?
I noticed when I put the lutron switch to charge the oil in my ICE that the
compass changed direction when I held it around the engine.
(Have not noticed any change in performance or fuel consumtion )
Thanks  Sture

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jgosscacc1" <jgosscacc@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Lately I've been testing the ability of a Joe cell that's charged with unit
charge to transfer charge to remote objects. Charge can be transferred to nearby
metal objects that are in contact with the cell's vapor. However, transferring
charge this way has a very limited range.
>
> I've recently tested charge transfer as a result of a cell's electric field.
An electric field developed by a cell's unit charge can reach out quite some
distance from the cell. Any metal object within that field can receive charge if
relative motion is involved.
>
> Even though ampacity of a cell's unit charge is very low in value; the cell's
electric field still has the same density as a field produced by a charge having
a higher ampacity rating. Transferring charge by induction instead of vapor
contact doesn't relieve a cell of its unit charge value, as does charge by vapor
contact. A cell's field is very; very sensitive and the least bit of disruption
will cause the field to collapse. This is due to its low ampacity capability,
and basically if the cell must suddenly furnish current from its unit charge;
the field collapses.
>
> Charge transfer by induction means that nothing actually touches the cell, or
even has to come near it. Charge can be transferred time and time again and the
cell doesn't loose its field. A cell can develop unit charge up to two hundred
volts or so; even with fresh water in the cell. As a cell conditions the water;
unit charge can increase to over 1,000 volts. How high it goes after that is
basically determined by the water and the cell's environment.
>
> With a self generated unit charge of 200 volts on the cell I've been
experimenting with; its field extends out about two feet in all directions. With
a 500 volt charge I can measure its presence up to eight feet. At 1,000 volts
the field extends out to over 10 feet. I personally can't perceive the field; I
use other methods to actually measure its strength.
>
> Any electrically neutral metal object that's isolated from earth ground, and
approaches a charged cell will become stressed to produce a positive charge. If
that same object is placed near the cell while still electrically neutral, and
then recedes away from the cell; it becomes stressed to produce a negative
charge. Once a cell's unit charge induces charge into a nearby metal object,
that object then has the ability to induce charge into yet another metal object.
This can be repeated on down the line.
>
> It appears that unit charge polarity had no relationship with pH of the water.
I tested the cell water with both extremes of pH; basic and acidic. In each case
unit charge developed with positive polarity. I might have mentioned before that
cell polarity doesn't change the polarity for unit charge either, at least for
this cell with the water it's using at this time. Both straight and reverse cell
polarity yields a positive unit charge.
>
> Thanks,
> James Goss
>

Hello Sture,

"About the unit charge. Is it static electricity? Could you notice it with a
compass? (is it a magnetic field )."

Yes the unit charge on a cell is a static charge. Unit charge produces an
electric field; thus it would not interact with a magnetic field, a compass will
not sense electric fields.

"Could possibly the HE (lutron switch) do the same thing?
I noticed when I put the lutron switch to charge the oil in my ICE that the
compass changed direction when I held it around the engine."

Speaking electrically, and not in terms of torsion fields; the dimmer switch
Robert used basically applies 14 volts dc to the oil at all times. No matter
what speed the fan switch is set on; the alternator's output bus supplies 14
volts to the oil. This is because oil is an insulator and basically no current
flows through it with only a 14 volt potential across it. With no current
flowing there is no voltage drop within the dimmer switch; the 14 volts is
dropped across the oil.

As for electrical activity, the 14 volts could be connected directly to the oil
without the dimmer switch, and have the same electric field established between
the oil probe and engine ground as that developed when using the dimmer switch.

When checking static magnetic fields around an engine there are a lot of
variables that can influence a compass; as well as a gauss meter. Permanent
magnet electric motors used for radiator fans and windshield wipers are a couple
that can influence a compass just about anywhere under the hood. If the engine
is running; the alternator also puts out a strong static magnetic field from its
rotor coil. The static field from an alternator will change from time to time
depending on its electrical load. The voltage regulator will apply more or less
voltage to the alternator's rotor coil as it regulates the 14 volt bus. There is
no indication when this happens and can appear to be a change in block
magnetism.

Thus everything electrically has to be evaluated and have some idea what
magnetic fields are active at the time the check is made.

Thanks,
James Goss

James,

In theory, if such a cell with static charge, were in a car passing you, your compass would move perpendicular to the motional vector. Is that correct? As the car passes or goes around you the compass may be seen to be set into a spin???

There is one vibrational programming method I have found that will cause the cell to radiate magnetic nodes. The earth field.

In this mode the water begins to drop faster then normal.

By electronics theory, there must be a moving charge present to cause this.

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Light_Being/Earth_CFS.html

In this method 8 shifts of pi/2 is summed against 10 shifts of phi, to derrive a wavelength ratio, which produces magnetic nodes where the water is added to the cell.

This is the only case I have personally seen a cell become strongly magnetic. Indicating a magnetic field can be created by a diamagnetic field if water is present.

Dave L

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jgosscacc1" <jgosscacc@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Sture,
>
> "About the unit charge. Is it static electricity? Could you notice it with a compass? (is it a magnetic field )."
>
> Yes the unit charge on a cell is a static charge. Unit charge produces an electric field; thus it would not interact with a magnetic field, a compass will not sense electric fields.
>
> "Could possibly the HE (lutron switch) do the same thing?
> I noticed when I put the lutron switch to charge the oil in my ICE that the compass changed direction when I held it around the engine."
>
> Speaking electrically, and not in terms of torsion fields; the dimmer switch Robert used basically applies 14 volts dc to the oil at all times. No matter what speed the fan switch is set on; the alternator's output bus supplies 14 volts to the oil. This is because oil is an insulator and basically no current flows through it with only a 14 volt potential across it. With no current flowing there is no voltage drop within the dimmer switch; the 14 volts is dropped across the oil.
>
> As for electrical activity, the 14 volts could be connected directly to the oil without the dimmer switch, and have the same electric field established between the oil probe and engine ground as that developed when using the dimmer switch.
>
> When checking static magnetic fields around an engine there are a lot of variables that can influence a compass; as well as a gauss meter. Permanent magnet electric motors used for radiator fans and windshield wipers are a couple that can influence a compass just about anywhere under the hood. If the engine is running; the alternator also puts out a strong static magnetic field from its rotor coil. The static field from an alternator will change from time to time depending on its electrical load. The voltage regulator will apply more or less voltage to the alternator's rotor coil as it regulates the 14 volt bus. There is no indication when this happens and can appear to be a change in block magnetism.
>
> Thus everything electrically has to be evaluated and have some idea what magnetic fields are active at the time the check is made.
>
> Thanks,
> James Goss
>

James.
Thanks for your answer.
I will do some more messurments with the compass to see if the magnetic field
changes or if it is stable.

Thanks  Sture

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jgosscacc1" <jgosscacc@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello Sture,
>
> "About the unit charge. Is it static electricity? Could you notice it with a
compass? (is it a magnetic field )."
>
> Yes the unit charge on a cell is a static charge. Unit charge produces an
electric field; thus it would not interact with a magnetic field, a compass will
not sense electric fields.
>
> "Could possibly the HE (lutron switch) do the same thing?
> I noticed when I put the lutron switch to charge the oil in my ICE that the
compass changed direction when I held it around the engine."
>
> Speaking electrically, and not in terms of torsion fields; the dimmer switch
Robert used basically applies 14 volts dc to the oil at all times. No matter
what speed the fan switch is set on; the alternator's output bus supplies 14
volts to the oil. This is because oil is an insulator and basically no current
flows through it with only a 14 volt potential across it. With no current
flowing there is no voltage drop within the dimmer switch; the 14 volts is
dropped across the oil.
>
> As for electrical activity, the 14 volts could be connected directly to the
oil without the dimmer switch, and have the same electric field established
between the oil probe and engine ground as that developed when using the dimmer
switch.
>
> When checking static magnetic fields around an engine there are a lot of
variables that can influence a compass; as well as a gauss meter. Permanent
magnet electric motors used for radiator fans and windshield wipers are a couple
that can influence a compass just about anywhere under the hood. If the engine
is running; the alternator also puts out a strong static magnetic field from its
rotor coil. The static field from an alternator will change from time to time
depending on its electrical load. The voltage regulator will apply more or less
voltage to the alternator's rotor coil as it regulates the 14 volt bus. There is
no indication when this happens and can appear to be a change in block
magnetism.
>
> Thus everything electrically has to be evaluated and have some idea what
magnetic fields are active at the time the check is made.
>
> Thanks,
> James Goss
>

Hello David,

"In theory, if such a cell with static charge, were in a car passing you, your
compass would move perpendicular to the motional vector. Is that correct? As the
car passes or goes around you the compass may be seen to be set into a spin???"

Run that by me again Dave. Are you saying a static electric field having
relative motion in respect to a compass will move the compass needle?

Thanks,
James

Is that not the basic theory of EM?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zy0VHBXxLU&feature=related

Here is a good video, showing the concept of a "Force" operating at 90 degrees to the E and B fields.

Charge in motion creates a magnetic field.

In copper or Aluminum it's called current or amps. Magnetic field is a direct function of the current. Current is the flow of electron charge in columbs. The force however is at 90 degrees, the motion of the aluminum foil, that we could call the resultant useful power. Electrons flow through the foil and the foil is pushed with a Force sideways of the current flow interacting with the magnetic field.

I have never built a wormhurst machine. Does it produce magnetic fields when the wheel is spining? Does it cause a compass to move parallel the the axis of the machine?

There are all kinds of experiments out there showing the right and left hand rules of EM. The pressure vector [motion], is at right angles to the E and B fields.

What is not always aparent to people working the E and B field to produce motion, is that the motion can also produce the E or B field if acted on by one of the others field.

If a charged particle is shot through an electric field it will deflect in a parabolic curve.

If a charged partical is shot through a magnetic field it will deflect in a circular curve.

A compass is a weak magnet. If a charged partical shoots by it with a directional motion crossing its center, the magnet should align 90 degrees to the motional vector.

If the magnet were stronger in the compass, and fixed tightly the charged particle would then be deflected instead as it passes by.

A charged particle the size of a car, should deflect the compass to 90 degrees as it passes by on the road. Best guess.

Dave L

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jgosscacc1" <jgosscacc@...> wrote:
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> Hello David,
>
> "In theory, if such a cell with static charge, were in a car passing you, your compass would move perpendicular to the motional vector. Is that correct? As the car passes or goes around you the compass may be seen to be set into a spin???"
>
> Run that by me again Dave. Are you saying a static electric field having relative motion in respect to a compass will move the compass needle?
>
> Thanks,
> James
>

Hello David,

Yep, I have used that exact demonstration hundreds of times in the classroom to
illustrate motor action. I always used the original right and left hand rules,
right hand for motors and left hand for generators; both for negative charge
transfer. Using three fingers on each hand instead of two fingers and palm of
the hand as the guy in the video.

Did you answer his question at the end of the demonstration, what would happen
if the foil was aligned with the magnet field flux?

I understand what you were describing now Dave. My statement that an electric
field and magnetic field do not interact was referenced to both fields being in
a static state; such as placing a stationary compass in an intense static
electric field. I tested this by placing a compass in an electric field having a
strength of 150,000 volts per meter; the compass didn't react.

In your example, the static charge in the vehicle was moving as the vehicle
passed by the other vehicle containing the compass. Would the speed of relative
motion between the two be enough to show change in compass alignment?

I had never thought about using the Whimshurst generator to see if a compass
would react with its rotating charged discs. The discs on my machine are 12 inch
in diameter and rotate at 1,200 rpm, separated by 1/8 inch. Each disc has its
own drive motor. The machine had been setting idle for a while so it needed a
little tuning up to get it going again. It was a very humid day, which made it
even more difficult to get it to kick off. Putting a little heat on the discs
got it going. Arc gaps were set for near 6 inches.

Approaching the discs with a compass yielded no interaction. I was wondering
Dave that since the two discs are rotating counter to each other, and separated
by only 1/8 inch; would the compass see the two counter rotating fields as being
stationary? I guess another possibility would be that the speed of relative
motion is still not great enough.

Thanks,
James Goss

James,

So as far as the HV experiments, we see the cell can create a climbing unit charge and hold it, but we can not link HV static fields with magnetic fields of any apreciable power level. Static HV is not what is turning the compasses of JC  work. One question is, what is turning the compasses then? There are always the fables about someone who is powering their house with a JC, and if true this is yet to be revealed. I have done one repeatable experiment connecting the magnetic field with water in the cells.

According to my vibration work spread sheet, there is a ratio of wavelengths which will produce a magnetic field, and move a compass using water as the medium. In the application to cell tubes, adding the water causes the magnetic field to appear, if this ratio is present between the vibrations on any two of the tubes and a third is present vertically having a 7.11 downshift ratio. It requires three wavelengths crossing geometrically in the water. The magnetic field appears to be a static field as well, it does not rotate and the compass is stationary.

From our EM training, this indicates there must be a circular motion or rotation of charge on the cell for this to happen. You are showing us how the cell creates these static charges, but until they are set to motion, they will not create a magnetic field. And further the motion of charge must be a circle for a magnetic field to appear as a source dipole.

A magnetic field will move a charged particle in a circular curve, and an electric field will move a charged particle in a parabolic curve that will not repeat without using a resonant circuit to make it oscillate electrically. There must then be a flow of either electrons or protons or both, in the water of this particular cell creating a very large magnet. This charge is then moving around the rings of the cell in some way through the water gaps with a circular path of some kind.

This phenomena is not related to bubbles, but to the atoms of the water.

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The cell tubes can be cut to a multiple of the G fractal above. 74.5 mm . I have a cell that is a 2x on all it's tubes, which created a very strong magnetic field.

Adjacent tubes are then vibrated up with two calipers, using the inner and outer fractal lengths on inner and outer tubes. [Only two tubes are necessary.]

I also used a one inch and a two inch 316 SS tubes, at 1 foot long and did this experiment with a moderatly strong magnetic field resulting  on the ends of the cell.

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A monopole magnetic node now rises up on the cell, and it will "snap" a compass, and create a small pocket of space that will also bend light like a lense.  It's a bit scarry also to see the cell becomming a magnet, because in JC work we try to avoid magnetizing the metals. However if you take it apart you will discover the 316 metals have not become magnetized at all.

I did have a problem with the outer can magnetizing and holding the magnetic field, it is cheaper cooking SS, but the 316 did not magnetisze.

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The concept of treating "motion" as a field only works if you see the motion as a vibration inside a material. The cell does not move, but the magnetic field is present.

99.9 percent of the mass [weight] of all atoms is at the tiny center nucleus and is in a state of vibration, free floating in that atoms fields. If this motion can move to the surface of the atom the electron shell will also now begin to move, and in water it can then physically move the charge.

To alter a back and forth vibration, to become a circular vibration, requires vibrations crossing at 90 degrees in 2 dimensions. Only a circular curving motion of charge can create a magnetic field. In the 3rd dimension then the magnetic poles appear.

Vibration apparently has ability to move charge. Or to cause a static electric field, to become a dynamic magnetic field, in water medium.

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In a coherently vibrating field, the motion or T field couples across all the atoms, and at this point the charge can then move over it, and is no longer static. This is incredibly simple because everyone has a feel for motion naturally.

This is the very core process of Teslas wireless power transmission system. The voltage, can move across a coherent T field coupled system. The nature of the T field is a vibration at 90 degrees to the E and B fields.

Propagation of the T field is done using distance coupling methods, and the path is radiant, or straight line methods, and the wavelengths are rock solid in dimension. This is why the polygon tube cutting formulas work so well.

At a wavelength approaching the thickness of the tubes, only a caliper is necessary to inject a wavelength. [Or a person using intuitive methods.]

If two wavelengths across two tubes contain a pi/2 ratio as a [math sum] the vibrations will self sustain. The pi/2 must be present only as a [sum] of the resultant wavelength used.

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Just as electronics has formulas and injection techniques, to set it up in circuits, T field has formulas and injection techniques, to set it up on mass vibrational elements.

The main difference, is that the power of the vibration can be derrived from the atoms, and no external power is necessary to sustain them. Free energy is then likely a byproduct of understanding how to use vibration with the EM field. Without the "motion" the static fields will not do much of anything.

Joe Cells probably work,  for intuitives, without using any math formulas, because the tubes can hold these natural self sustaining vibrational forms once set up in them, once the wavelengths "being felt" are shorter then the thickness of the tubes.

Pi/2 "feels" like a life force presence with vibration work, and denotes you have achieved the circular path of "vibration of charge" in two dimensions.

Dave L

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jgosscacc1" <jgosscacc@...> wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>
> Yep, I have used that exact demonstration hundreds of times in the classroom to illustrate motor action. I always used the original right and left hand rules, right hand for motors and left hand for generators; both for negative charge transfer. Using three fingers on each hand instead of two fingers and palm of the hand as the guy in the video.
>
> Did you answer his question at the end of the demonstration, what would happen if the foil was aligned with the magnet field flux?
>
> I understand what you were describing now Dave. My statement that an electric field and magnetic field do not interact was referenced to both fields being in a static state; such as placing a stationary compass in an intense static electric field. I tested this by placing a compass in an electric field having a strength of 150,000 volts per meter; the compass didn't react.
>
> In your example, the static charge in the vehicle was moving as the vehicle passed by the other vehicle containing the compass. Would the speed of relative motion between the two be enough to show change in compass alignment?
>
> I had never thought about using the Whimshurst generator to see if a compass would react with its rotating charged discs. The discs on my machine are 12 inch in diameter and rotate at 1,200 rpm, separated by 1/8 inch. Each disc has its own drive motor. The machine had been setting idle for a while so it needed a little tuning up to get it going again. It was a very humid day, which made it even more difficult to get it to kick off. Putting a little heat on the discs got it going. Arc gaps were set for near 6 inches.
>
> Approaching the discs with a compass yielded no interaction. I was wondering Dave that since the two discs are rotating counter to each other, and separated by only 1/8 inch; would the compass see the two counter rotating fields as being stationary? I guess another possibility would be that the speed of relative motion is still not great enough.
>
> Thanks,
> James Goss
>

Vibrational Charge

If we have two objects that when brought together create a vibration of motion between them, now if we hold one of the objects still by anchoring it to the ground, the other object will vibrate up with the motional field. Conversly if we anchor only the other object then the first one will vibrate up physically, as the second one is held stationary. The motional energy can manifest on ether object by holding the other one still and restricting it's movement.

This is very simple to visualize, and does not require complex math to understand. However we start to obsevre things "hard to explain" where if we work on a specific thing, the energy flees to another nearby thing.

Now if we have two tubes, that when brought together in a cell, cause one another to vibrate up, the same should be observed. The vibration energy will move towards the smaller mass element which is easier to vibrate up, and the electric field will want to move to the greater area where it's charge can spread out.

There is a natural seperation of charge from vibration, in the cells. Vibration energy naturally moves to the center tube.

Now tapping the voltage on the cell we note, it has little power and can possibly, at best,  light an LED on a large 1 foot cell with 8 " tubes.

Conversly routing the vibration component from the center tube, into an engine, it can increase horespower, and cut fuel costs easilly be 20 to 30 percent. [This has been measured over time and is a real phenomina.]

From this, one is forced to conclude there is more [potiential energy] in the vibration, then in the voltage or EM component of a JC, once they are seperated on the cell.

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Looking closer down into the atoms, we can only get EM power from motion, if the EM is on the electron shell creating a magnetic field strong enough to get outside the atom. So if we anchor the outer electron shell of atoms into a "solid mass like a tube", the motion of the vibration will move into the center of the atoms, and the electric field will move to the outside of the atoms. The voltages of a cell appear on the tubes. Adding the water now changes this balance.

In diamagnetic elements, like waters hydrogen, we have access to grabbing the inner Proton shell and coupling it beween atoms to form coherent vibrational fields that reach outside the atom also as diamagnetic fields. If this field is then held stationary in some way or a countering resistance ratio vibration is created against it [opposing phase], the vibration will then move to the outside of the atoms, and in water it can actually create motion of the electron shells charge. A generator.

The function of the SS tubes is to anchor the vibration of the inner layers of the waters atoms, so the vibration moves to the surface of the atoms, becomming a coherent large field. Remember the vibration created between the electron shell and nucleus will move its energy, if we try to stop it's motion on one of the two shells. The energy moves towards the atomic shell that is less restricted to motion. This is also how Hammel cones operate where the Aluminum is floating in a magnetic field.

Whether this vibration that comes up from the water creates a magnetic field or not depends totally on the ratio of wavelengths in the 3 dimensions.

People who work with cells consciously as an art can often "feel" these vibrational ratios, and the sensation is the same as "chi flow" in the healing arts. Once a person has been attuned to a vibrational pattern, they can remember how it feels, and in this process learn to shoot it out their hands. If people profecient in chi work are introduced to caliper work, it become natural to start recording distances. Most sensetives however seem to resist this concept at first, and desire the chi to remian unexplained as a geometric vibrational field, defined only as a Spiritual or conscious phenomena.

It can also be created using the math and very accurate programming of the wavelengths using only distance as a field force, within the Aether medium.

This is "too simple," for the trained mind to grasp at first. We can set up distances between objects and create large fields of energy. People have been arranging rocks and stones for a long time to do these things. Now we have a formula for creating a magnetic field using the same methods if water is present.

It is likely now, as I observe this, the earths magnetic field we can measure almost everywhere, with a compass, probably involves the oceans and water table, as much as it does the earths core. The "telluric current" drops in dry earth.

Dave L

Dave L,

"The cell tubes can be cut to a multiple of the G fractal above. 74.5 mm. I have
a cell that is a 2x on all it's tubes, which created a very strong magnetic
field. Adjacent tubes are then vibrated up with two calipers, using the inner
and outer fractal lengths on inner and outer tubes. [Only two tubes are
necessary.]"

Dave I would like to try and duplicate your experiment which yielded a magnetic
field.

Questions: I have some 316 SS tubes, 6 inches long, which is basically 2x of the
74.5mm. Is that close enough?

Are the cell tubes wet or dry when they display a magnetic field? Have you tried
damp only?

What material do you have your cell setting on?

Do you place charge on the cell at any time during the process?

Finely, what are the clockwise and counterclockwise notations for fractal
lengths telling me?

Thanks,
James