I should also note that my response here, and the MiniTutorial, is
consistent with what you've been told by johnsfine, vasqued2, and
jimschott on the JP1 forum at

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19

I know this stuff is "on the difficult side" to understand, which is
why I thought it prudent to post the MiniTutorial in the first place.

Hope this helps,

Greg


--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "smithjo601" <smithjo601@y...> wrote:
>
> Although I am by no means an expert, I would think directly using
my
> IR file might only be appropriate for 6012/8011/8811 series devices
> since the extender is written specifically for them.
>
> You will have to "start from scratch" by following my admittedly
> sparse directions on loading an extender into IR specifically for
use
> with your 2116. With regard to loading extenders and making
KeyMaps,
> my MiniTutorial is meant as an overview. There may be better
> documents that describe more of the details and options.
>
> You will also need to verify that the functionality is the same
> between the 6012/8011/8811 Extender3 that I used and the extender
you
> use in your 2116, specifically looking at the TOADTOG and LDKP
> functionality as well as how nested macros are handled. I believe
> each of these functional areas are determined solely by the
extender
> writer, and may be different from other extenders. A brief look at
> the files reveals that you may want to use 15-2116ex2.zip.
Definitely
> review the functionality of this extender and compare to what I
> describe in the tutorial.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "jhstn58" <jhs1017@b...> wrote:
> > smithjo601 - I am struggling with my 2116 extender, ToadTogs,
etc.
> > and want to follow your steps carefully because your
functionality
> is
> > exactly what I want for my system (although in my case my DVD and
> CBL
> > box are TOAD devices, while everything else is DUDE. But when I
> > tried to load your IR dump file into IR, I got several error
> messages
> > and the result is nothing but "ERROR" where all the device codes
> > should be listed on the setup page. Do I need to do something
else
> > to load this particular file?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "smithjo601" <smithjo601@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Done. I've updated the commentary in the MiniTutorial to refer
to
> > our
> > > comments here as well as referring to the corresponding IRdump
> file.
> > >
> > > Both of the following files are currently placed in the "Help
> > > documents" folder.
> > >
> > > MiniTutorial_1.2.txt
> > > Detailed example on setting up your remote control from scratch.
> > > MiniTutorial_1.2_IRdump.txt
> > > IR dump file roughly similar to that described in
> > > MiniTutorial_1.2.txt
> > >
> > > I have placed them in the same directory, because I believe
they
> > are
> > > paired together.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "ravi_ssnospam"
<ravi_ssnospam@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Greg,
> > > > I was hoping that you would put your IR txt configuration
file
> in
> > > the
> > > > user configuration section.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > RS
> > > > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "smithjo601" <smithjo601@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It sounds like you are complementing, in part, my specific
> > post.
> > > > And
> > > > > for that I thank both of you. And *I* want to especially
> thank
> > > the
> > > > > giants on whose shoulders we stand: those that have
> contributed
> > > > many
> > > > > many many more hours and thought than *I* have to
converting
> > > these
> > > > > inexpensive remotes into fully functional devices.
> > > > >
> > > > > The file in the section "Help Documents"
> > > > named "MiniTutoral_1.1.txt"
> > > > > is largely identical to the message you reference here (but
> it
> > > does
> > > > > add a table of contents and a brief introduction).
> > > > >
> > > > > Kingmodem: it seems that your SAT button will use the
> receiver
> > > > on/off
> > > > > state to determine whether to run audio through the
receiver
> or
> > > to
> > > > > run audio through the TV. This means that using dish 721 to
> > view
> > > > PVR,
> > > > > movies, etc is a two-button process. Correct? If your
> receiver
> > > has
> > > > > discrete on/off codes, then you may introduce the problem
> > of "out-
> > > > of-
> > > > > sync" condition with the introduction of TOADTOG tracking
> > > receiver
> > > > > state (which itself is only a problem if you ever turn the
> > > receiver
> > > > > on or off from the front panel or from another remote). You
> may
> > > > want
> > > > > to use an LKP (which could be either LKP or DKP) on the SAT
> > > button
> > > > to
> > > > > turn on the SAT with audio through the receiver, and a
short
> > key
> > > > > press to turn on the SAT with audio through the TV. Unless
of
> > > > course
> > > > > your SAT is a TOAD, in which case you may want to use the
SAT
> > LKP
> > > > as
> > > > > the "re-sync SAT" button. If your receiver is a TOAD (or
you
> > > decide
> > > > > that you like using the TOADTOG tracking receiver state),
> then
> > > you
> > > > > may want to use LKP "RCVR" as the "re-sync RCVR" button. If
> > your
> > > > > reciever is a DUDE, I would definately consider NOT using
> > TOADTOG
> > > > to
> > > > > track the reciever on/off state simply due to the out-of-
sync
> > > > > condition. If your receiver is a TOAD, then I *think* using
> > > on/off
> > > > > state to determine audio method may make it slightly more
> > > difficult
> > > > > for non-technical users to identify an "out-of-sync" state.
> > > > (i.e. "I
> > > > > pressed the button, but I don't hear sound. Is it trying to
> go
> > > > > through the TV, or the receiver. Which one has a problem?")
> > > > >
> > > > > My main point being that under "my" system, LKP device
> buttons
> > > are
> > > > > used for "re-sync" for those devices that are tracked with
> > > TOADTOG
> > > > > (whether the devices are TOADs or whether you track state
> with
> > > > > TOADTOG). And for devices that do not use TOADTOG, the
> > > > corresponding
> > > > > LKP device buttons are available for additional use.
> > > > >
> > > > > I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE DOING IT
> WRONG!
> > In
> > > > all
> > > > > cases the owner of the remote decides the best
functionality.
> I
> > > > just
> > > > > am interested in exploring the options and the consequences.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RS: I've thought about Home Theatre button as all off.
After
> > > having
> > > > > lived with the remote for a while in it's current setup
there
> > are
> > > > two
> > > > > problems. 1) When I returned from a week-long trip, the non-
> > > > technical
> > > > > users ended up with BOTH TOAD devices out-of-sync. They
> > admitted
> > > to
> > > > > just turning on and off the power on the front panel of
those
> > > > > devices. 2) LKP Power was not used for "all off" as was my
> > > > intention.
> > > > > 3) the "all off" button destroys our use of pausing the DVD
> and
> > > > > returning the next evening to finish from where we
started.
> 4)
> > > my
> > > > > DVD player is a TOAD, and VERY commonly when it is off we
> will
> > > > insert
> > > > > a DVD prior to turning everything on (with one key press,
by
> > the
> > > > > way). If we insert a DVD prior to turning everything on,
the
> > DVD
> > > is
> > > > > immediatly out of sync and pressing the DVD device button
> then
> > > > turns
> > > > > it immediately off.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think number 2) caused number 1), in this case. I think
the
> > > > > improvement in my case is to swap the functionality of the
> > Power
> > > > > button such that SKP Power is "all off" and LKP Power
> > is "current
> > > > > device off". In this case, maybe I could use the "Home
> Theatre"
> > > > > button as a "all devices off except don't change DVD". Or
> maybe
> > > SKP
> > > > > Power is "all off except DVD; change to DVD control" and
DVD
> > > > > device/LKP Power is DVD off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Due to our use of the DVD in these cases, and the fact that
> our
> > > DVD
> > > > > is a TOAD, I have to rethink how I handle the DVD
> > power/tracking
> > > > > within the remote.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the use of the Home Theatre button as "all off"
would
> > > > confuse
> > > > > the non-technical users in my house. ("But it says 'Home
> > > Theatre',
> > > > > not 'Power'".)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "kingmodem" <sharkus@s...>
wrote:
> > > > > > I agree! Thank you for this great starting point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An additional feature I added once I got the base
features
> > > > working
> > > > > > was as follows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TV is normally watched from my dish 721 sat on channel 3
> > (with
> > > TV
> > > > > > controlling audio volume). However, there are times
(PVR,
> > > > movies,
> > > > > > etc) that I go through my receiver for 5.1 audio and s-
> video.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Therefore, I added the following feature on the SAT
button:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Use TOADTOG protocol (with bit that tracks receiver
> state):
> > > > > > - When receiver is on: switch TV to video input 3, set
> volume
> > > > > > control to receiver, set receiver for TV/SAT audio/video
> input
> > > > > > - When receiver is off: set volume control to TV, change
TV
> > > > channel
> > > > > > to '0' '3'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This works absoultely great! I'm still amazed at the
> > > > functionality
> > > > > > available with a $20 remote.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "ravi_ssnospam"
> > > <ravi_ssnospam@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I am new to this group. Hats off to you guys for
putting
> > all
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > information together.
> > > > > > > Thanks for your detailed information. Your
implementaion
> > was
> > > > > > closest
> > > > > > > to what I wanted to do. Got me going fast. I still
> > haven't
> > > > > fully
> > > > > > > implemented it.
> > > > > > > Have you put your file in the files section?
> > > > > > > One change I was going to make was use the Home Theatre
> key
> > > for
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > off to make it more idiot proof.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > RS