--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Crowe" <rob1@r...> wrote:
> From: "krickzero" <krick@3...>
> > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@y...> wrote:
> >
> > This may be a dumb question, but since I'm new here...
> > Rob who?
>
> That would be me.  Welcome to my JP1 group!  :)
>
> Rob
> http://www.hifi-remote.com


Thank you.  I hope I can contribute to the group in a meaninful way.

I made an educated guess last night (assuming you were the "Rob" in question)
and sent you an email via your web site regarding the EEPROM and a few other
questions I had.  Reply when you can.  I know you're probably very busy.

...
Bill

Sorry..  b01





--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@y...>
wrote:
> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "tzapoluch" <tzapoluch@y...> wrote:
> > They are similar to the "millenium 4" style pictured top row,
> second
> > from the left.
>
> I may be interested in one ONLY if it's a B03 version.  Removing
the
> battery cover, just to the right side of the JP-1 access hole it
> would have "B03" heat stamped.
>
> Jim

--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "tzapoluch" <tzapoluch@y...> wrote:
> They are similar to the "millenium 4" style pictured top row,
second
> from the left.

I may be interested in one ONLY if it's a B03 version.  Removing the
battery cover, just to the right side of the JP-1 access hole it
would have "B03" heat stamped.

Jim

What is the new JP1 site address?


----- Original Message -----
From: "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@...>
To: <jp1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 7:33 AM
Subject: [jp1] Re: URC-6131 how to upgrade EEPROM myself?


> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "krickzero" <krick@3...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@y...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where can I get the EEPROM?
> > > >
> > > > Krick
> > >
> > > I'd recommend from Rob.  Just be sure to specify the 2K.  He'll
> > > give you the best deal for total cost, quickest service.
> > >
> > > Jim
> >
> >
> > This may be a dumb question, but since I'm new here...
> >
> > Rob who?
>
> Rob Crowe, aka Robman, "owner of this site", the new JP-1 site, and
> Hifi-remote.com
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You can find the FAQ, upgrade instructions, advanced codes, and more at:
> http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1
>
> For general OFA/RS remote info, visit
> http://www.hifi-remote.com/ofa
>
> To buy a completed JP1 cable, check out the 'sellers' folder here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/database
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/join?referer=1
> and change the "Message Delivery" option.
>
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>
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>
>
>

> From: cpurick [mailto:rickkoch2@...]
>
> Wondering if anyone could tell me which current JP1 remotes are even
> better?  (Not interested in Kameleon -- stick w/ hardbuttons.)
>
> LCD is optional, as is RF extension capability, though they're both a
> plus.
>
> Expandability/flexibility is probably the highest priority.  My key-
> move/macro RAM has always been quite full.
>
> And, of course, the number of buttons with useful labels.  I hate
> having to memorize buttons that don't do what they say -- it's almost
> as bad as trying to teach them to my wife!
>
> I'd be interested to know what everyone recommends.

I'd have to say the URC-8810w ($19.64 @ Wal-Mart). It's 8 devices, JP1 out of
the
box, can use John's best extender, and I think has the most available buttons of
any
current remote.

Mark

--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "cpurick" <rickkoch2@b...> wrote:
> (I'm cross posting this here because even though Rob's other forum
is
> clearly superior, this seems to be the one with all the traffic.  My
> vote would be to close this place down to new posts and refer
> visitors to the other site.)
>
> I have a 15-1994, which I first programmed with IR over 2 years ago
> now.  This is one of the best remotes ever made.
>
> Wondering if anyone could tell me which current JP1 remotes are even
> better?  (Not interested in Kameleon -- stick w/ hardbuttons.)
>
> LCD is optional, as is RF extension capability, though they're both
a
> plus.
>
> Expandability/flexibility is probably the highest priority.  My key-
> move/macro RAM has always been quite full.
>
> And, of course, the number of buttons with useful labels.  I hate
> having to memorize buttons that don't do what they say -- it's
almost
> as bad as trying to teach them to my wife!
>
> I'd be interested to know what everyone recommends.

The current favorites seem to the RS 15-2116 and the OFA URC-8811,
although if you are a PVR user, the modified (JP1 enabled) OFA
URC-6131 is a strong contender.

(I'm cross posting this here because even though Rob's other forum is
clearly superior, this seems to be the one with all the traffic.  My
vote would be to close this place down to new posts and refer
visitors to the other site.)

I have a 15-1994, which I first programmed with IR over 2 years ago
now.  This is one of the best remotes ever made.

Wondering if anyone could tell me which current JP1 remotes are even
better?  (Not interested in Kameleon -- stick w/ hardbuttons.)

LCD is optional, as is RF extension capability, though they're both a
plus.

Expandability/flexibility is probably the highest priority.  My key-
move/macro RAM has always been quite full.

And, of course, the number of buttons with useful labels.  I hate
having to memorize buttons that don't do what they say -- it's almost
as bad as trying to teach them to my wife!

I'd be interested to know what everyone recommends.

They are similar to the "millenium 4" style pictured top row, second
from the left.

smithjo601 - I am struggling with my 2116 extender, ToadTogs, etc.
and want to follow your steps carefully because your functionality is
exactly what I want for my system (although in my case my DVD and CBL
box are TOAD devices, while everything else is DUDE.  But when I
tried to load your IR dump file into IR, I got several error messages
and the result is nothing but "ERROR" where all the device codes
should be listed on the setup page.  Do I need to do something else
to load this particular file?




--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "smithjo601" <smithjo601@y...> wrote:
>
> Done. I've updated the commentary in the MiniTutorial to refer to
our
> comments here as well as referring to the corresponding IRdump file.
>
> Both of the following files are currently placed in the "Help
> documents" folder.
>
> MiniTutorial_1.2.txt
> Detailed example on setting up your remote control from scratch.
> MiniTutorial_1.2_IRdump.txt
> IR dump file roughly similar to that described in
> MiniTutorial_1.2.txt
>
> I have placed them in the same directory, because I believe they
are
> paired together.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "ravi_ssnospam" <ravi_ssnospam@y...>
> wrote:
> > Greg,
> > I was hoping that you would put your IR txt configuration file in
> the
> > user configuration section.
> >
> > Thanks
> > RS
> > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "smithjo601" <smithjo601@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > It sounds like you are complementing, in part, my specific
post.
> > And
> > > for that I thank both of you. And *I* want to especially thank
> the
> > > giants on whose shoulders we stand: those that have contributed
> > many
> > > many many more hours and thought than *I* have to converting
> these
> > > inexpensive remotes into fully functional devices.
> > >
> > > The file in the section "Help Documents"
> > named "MiniTutoral_1.1.txt"
> > > is largely identical to the message you reference here (but it
> does
> > > add a table of contents and a brief introduction).
> > >
> > > Kingmodem: it seems that your SAT button will use the receiver
> > on/off
> > > state to determine whether to run audio through the receiver or
> to
> > > run audio through the TV. This means that using dish 721 to
view
> > PVR,
> > > movies, etc is a two-button process. Correct? If your receiver
> has
> > > discrete on/off codes, then you may introduce the problem
of "out-
> > of-
> > > sync" condition with the introduction of TOADTOG tracking
> receiver
> > > state (which itself is only a problem if you ever turn the
> receiver
> > > on or off from the front panel or from another remote). You may
> > want
> > > to use an LKP (which could be either LKP or DKP) on the SAT
> button
> > to
> > > turn on the SAT with audio through the receiver, and a short
key
> > > press to turn on the SAT with audio through the TV. Unless of
> > course
> > > your SAT is a TOAD, in which case you may want to use the SAT
LKP
> > as
> > > the "re-sync SAT" button. If your receiver is a TOAD (or you
> decide
> > > that you like using the TOADTOG tracking receiver state), then
> you
> > > may want to use LKP "RCVR" as the "re-sync RCVR" button. If
your
> > > reciever is a DUDE, I would definately consider NOT using
TOADTOG
> > to
> > > track the reciever on/off state simply due to the out-of-sync
> > > condition. If your receiver is a TOAD, then I *think* using
> on/off
> > > state to determine audio method may make it slightly more
> difficult
> > > for non-technical users to identify an "out-of-sync" state.
> > (i.e. "I
> > > pressed the button, but I don't hear sound. Is it trying to go
> > > through the TV, or the receiver. Which one has a problem?")
> > >
> > > My main point being that under "my" system, LKP device buttons
> are
> > > used for "re-sync" for those devices that are tracked with
> TOADTOG
> > > (whether the devices are TOADs or whether you track state with
> > > TOADTOG). And for devices that do not use TOADTOG, the
> > corresponding
> > > LKP device buttons are available for additional use.
> > >
> > > I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
In
> > all
> > > cases the owner of the remote decides the best functionality. I
> > just
> > > am interested in exploring the options and the consequences.
> > >
> > >
> > > RS: I've thought about Home Theatre button as all off. After
> having
> > > lived with the remote for a while in it's current setup there
are
> > two
> > > problems. 1) When I returned from a week-long trip, the non-
> > technical
> > > users ended up with BOTH TOAD devices out-of-sync. They
admitted
> to
> > > just turning on and off the power on the front panel of those
> > > devices. 2) LKP Power was not used for "all off" as was my
> > intention.
> > > 3) the "all off" button destroys our use of pausing the DVD and
> > > returning the next evening to finish from where we started.  4)
> my
> > > DVD player is a TOAD, and VERY commonly when it is off we will
> > insert
> > > a DVD prior to turning everything on (with one key press, by
the
> > > way). If we insert a DVD prior to turning everything on, the
DVD
> is
> > > immediatly out of sync and pressing the DVD device button then
> > turns
> > > it immediately off.
> > >
> > > I think number 2) caused number 1), in this case. I think the
> > > improvement in my case is to swap the functionality of the
Power
> > > button such that SKP Power is "all off" and LKP Power
is "current
> > > device off". In this case, maybe I could use the "Home Theatre"
> > > button as a "all devices off except don't change DVD". Or maybe
> SKP
> > > Power is "all off except DVD; change to DVD control" and DVD
> > > device/LKP Power is DVD off.
> > >
> > > Due to our use of the DVD in these cases, and the fact that our
> DVD
> > > is a TOAD, I have to rethink how I handle the DVD
power/tracking
> > > within the remote.
> > >
> > > I think the use of the Home Theatre button as "all off" would
> > confuse
> > > the non-technical users in my house. ("But it says 'Home
> Theatre',
> > > not 'Power'".)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "kingmodem" <sharkus@s...> wrote:
> > > > I agree!  Thank you for this great starting point.
> > > >
> > > > An additional feature I added once I got the base features
> > working
> > > > was as follows:
> > > >
> > > > TV is normally watched from my dish 721 sat on channel 3
(with
> TV
> > > > controlling audio volume).  However, there are times (PVR,
> > movies,
> > > > etc) that I go through my receiver for 5.1 audio and s-video.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, I added the following feature on the SAT button:
> > > >
> > > > - Use TOADTOG protocol (with bit that tracks receiver state):
> > > > - When receiver is on: switch TV to video input 3, set volume
> > > > control to receiver, set receiver for TV/SAT audio/video input
> > > > - When receiver is off: set volume control to TV, change TV
> > channel
> > > > to '0' '3'
> > > >
> > > > This works absoultely great!  I'm still amazed at the
> > functionality
> > > > available with a $20 remote.
> > > >
> > > > --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "ravi_ssnospam"
> <ravi_ssnospam@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I am new to this group.  Hats off to you guys for putting
all
> > > this
> > > > > information together.
> > > > > Thanks for your detailed information.  Your implementaion
was
> > > > closest
> > > > > to what I wanted to do.  Got me going fast.  I still
haven't
> > > fully
> > > > > implemented it.
> > > > > Have you put your file in the files section?
> > > > > One change I was going to make was use the Home Theatre key
> for
> > > > all
> > > > > off to make it more idiot proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > RS

Rob

A quick look indicates that that is the only change you made.  I just want to
confirm so I can add the change to the RM versions.

Thanks,
         Nils
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jp1@yahoogroups.com
   To: jp1@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:19 AM
   Subject: [jp1] New file uploaded to jp1



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--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "tzapoluch" <tzapoluch@y...> wrote:
> I have a small quantity of jp1 remotes for sale.  Made for cable
> equipment, The jp1 connector is present.  They are used, but quite
> functional.  $5 a piece, plus actual shipping.  anyone interested
> email me at
>
> tzapoluch@y...
>
> photo avaliable on request.

If they are all the same, at least post the URC model number found on
the back.  You could also post a pix temporarily in the photo's
section with a title like:  remote for sale by tzapoluch.  If the
remote's pix is available at the OFA cable remote site, just indicate
which one of the 8 it is(ie 3rd in top row).

Jim

Even though there were alot of people asking for a web based forum to
replace the Yahoo spam forums, the movement over to the new forum has been
slow.

So, my question is, is this what you really want?  I don't intend to keep
both sites active for messages as I don't want to have to check for them in
two places, so it's an "either or" situation.

I've posted a poll for this in the new General forum, please vote for your
preference there.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33

Thanks,
Rob


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Crowe" <rob1@...>
To: <jp1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: [jp1] IMPORTANT: New JP1 Forums are LIVE!


> My site has finally been moved over to the new server, so now you can
access
> the new web based JP1 forums using this link:
>
> http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums
>
> The forum software doesn't include a file section yet, though some people
> are working on creating one, so until such time as that is ready we will
> still have to use the Yahoo group for it's file section.
>
> I would like to ask you all to start moving over to the new forum now.  I
> will keep the posting option open in Yahoo for another week or so, then
I'll
> turn it off.  If you want to respond to something already posted in the
> Yahoo group, go ahead, but if you want to start a new topic, you should
take
> it to the new forums.
>
> I have created new forums for the different levels of JP1 expertise (ie,
> Beginner, General and Advanced), plus there are new forums dedicated to
> Extenders and Software development.  the idea is that beginners are not
> intimidated by some of the overly complicated talk that the experts might
> get into, and of course, the experts can don't have to deal with newbie
> questions unless they chose to do so.
>
> There isn't an option to receive the posts via email unfortunately, but
you
> can chose to be notified when someone replies to one of your posts.
>
> If you have any suggestions or comments about the new forums, I have also
> created a "Web Site Issues" forum, so please post them there.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
> http://www.hifi-remote.com

There are several different remotes made for the cable market and we are
quite familiar with most of them, so it would be helpful if you posted
exactly which remote (or remotes) you are selling.

On the battery compartment cover, there is probably a label like
URC-44XXXB02, you should quote that.  Also, is your remote one of the 8
shown here: http://www.hifi-remote.com/urc/  If so, which one is it.

Thanks,
Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "tzapoluch" <tzapoluch@...>
To: <jp1@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:52 AM
Subject: [jp1] jp1 remotes for sale


> I have a small quantity of jp1 remotes for sale.  Made for cable
> equipment, The jp1 connector is present.  They are used, but quite
> functional.  $5 a piece, plus actual shipping.  anyone interested
> email me at
>
> tzapoluch@...
>
> photo avaliable on request.

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I have a small quantity of jp1 remotes for sale.  Made for cable
equipment, The jp1 connector is present.  They are used, but quite
functional.  $5 a piece, plus actual shipping.  anyone interested
email me at

tzapoluch@...

photo avaliable on request.

From: "krickzero" <krick@...>
> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Where can I get the EEPROM?
> > > Krick
> >
> > I'd recommend from Rob.  Just be sure to specify the 2K.  He'll
> > give you the best deal for total cost, quickest service.
> >
> > Jim
>
> This may be a dumb question, but since I'm new here...
> Rob who?

That would be me.  Welcome to my JP1 group!  :)

Rob
http://www.hifi-remote.com

--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "krickzero" <krick@3...> wrote:
>
> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > > Where can I get the EEPROM?
> > >
> > > Krick
> >
> > I'd recommend from Rob.  Just be sure to specify the 2K.  He'll
> > give you the best deal for total cost, quickest service.
> >
> > Jim
>
>
> This may be a dumb question, but since I'm new here...
>
> Rob who?

Rob Crowe, aka Robman, "owner of this site", the new JP-1 site, and
Hifi-remote.com

Jim

--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@y...> wrote:
>
> > Where can I get the EEPROM?
> >
> > Krick
>
> I'd recommend from Rob.  Just be sure to specify the 2K.  He'll
> give you the best deal for total cost, quickest service.
>
> Jim


This may be a dumb question, but since I'm new here...

Rob who?

> From: johnsfine [mailto:johnfine@...]
>
> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Maye" <smaye@y...> wrote:
>
> > I have posted both files as you requested.
>
> I looked at them and I can't guess how you reached that state with the
> IR file.  Maybe you can tell us.  (and what version of IR.EXE are you
> using?)
>
> > I tried deleting the device upgrade completely and starting over
> > to get the prompt again, but it did not prompt me again.
>
> That's easy to understand.  The prompt was because no device position
> on the general tab was set to be VCR/0618.  Once one was set that way,
> it wouldn't prompt you again.
>
> > These keymoves do look
> > strange becasue they appear to be bound to themselves.
>
> What do you mean by that?  And in what form were you looking at the
> KeyMoves when you observed that.
>
> When I open your IR file, I see one wrong fragment of a KeyMove.  If I
> delete the device upgrade and repaste the device upgrade from KM, I
> get correct looking KeyMoves.

I concur with John (and he beat me to the response). After deleting the VCR/0618
upgrade and repasting it from KM, everything appears correct.

Try these steps yourself and let us know if it fixes things.

Mark

--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Maye" <smaye@y...> wrote:

> I have posted both files as you requested.

I looked at them and I can't guess how you reached that state with the
IR file.  Maybe you can tell us.  (and what version of IR.EXE are you
using?)

> I tried deleting the device upgrade completely and starting over
> to get the prompt again, but it did not prompt me again.

That's easy to understand.  The prompt was because no device position
on the general tab was set to be VCR/0618.  Once one was set that way,
it wouldn't prompt you again.

> These keymoves do look
> strange becasue they appear to be bound to themselves.

What do you mean by that?  And in what form were you looking at the
KeyMoves when you observed that.

When I open your IR file, I see one wrong fragment of a KeyMove.  If I
delete the device upgrade and repaste the device upgrade from KM, I
get correct looking KeyMoves.

--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Pierson" <markeagleusa@y...> wrote:
> > From: Steve Maye [mailto:smaye@y...]
> >
> > To be specific, any keymoves I made in IR work fine. The keymoves
> > setup automatically in Keymaster do not work.
>
> When you pasted the KM data into IR, did IR prompt you to choose a
device button to
> bind the Key Moves to? Can you see the KM-created Key Moves in IR?
Are they bound to
> the proper device?
>
> Can you zip together you saved KM and IR files and upload them to
the Diagnosis
> folder so I can take a look for myself?
>
> Mark


I have posted both files as you requested.   To answer your
question, yes, IR did prompt me to bind the keymoves to a device
when I was pasting in the upgrade code and protocol code.  I tried
deleting the device upgrade completely and starting over to get the
prompt again, but it did not prompt me again.  I think your question
regarding this may be on to something.  These keymoves do look
strange becasue they appear to be bound to themselves.

In the end I will be embarrased with how simple the fix will be.

Thanks for your help.

Hello,

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Thanks for the earlier advice Rob.

I built an upgrade for the Leadtek remote for PC tv cards, and posted
it in the misc section in the files area.  I gave it a 1400 setup
code, which is related to the 400 cable setup code that used the same
nec1, device 3 protocol.  The tv card handles video recording and
playback functions as well.

> From: "boardlaw" <szfin@...>
>   Thanks John, and thanks Rob  -- I knew I could build it from the
> ground up with the individual button codes, but wondered if there was
> a pre-existing device.
>
> zgrav

Alot of newbies take that sort of approach at first but quickly you will
come to realise that even if there is a built in code, it will probably need
some keymoves to fix it up, so you might as well learn how to build upgrades
from the start.

Most of the regulars here have built upgrades to replace all of their built
in codes for just that reason.

Rob

Thanks John, and thanks Rob  -- I knew I could build it from the
ground up with the individual button codes, but wondered if there was
a pre-existing device.

zgrav
.....
> > Is there a better way to check and see if there is an existing
> > device upgrade already made for this remote?
>
> There's a spreadsheet in the Spreadsheets folder called devices.xls
> that lists CBL/0400 as using NEC1, device 3.  However, I don't
think
> that code is present in the 15-2116, and I don't believe there are
> any other codes in there that fit either.  So, you should just go
> ahead and create a new code using KM or RM.
>
> Rob

Kent

I took what you have on your site and created an updated RDF, Image and Map.  I
uploaded them in a zip file for you in the main jp1 group files/RDF's folder.
This RDF will work with RM, KM and of course IR.

If you could use this as a base for your updates as you go through your test it
would help me.

Thanks

Nils


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kent Mein
   To: jp1@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:49 PM
   Subject: [jp1] INTUITIVE remote rdf


   Should I upload the current rdf to the yahoo group?

   I have it at:
   http://www.cs.umn.edu/~mein/jp1/INTU_rdf.txt

   As well as a bunch of other info I found on the remote at
   http://www.cs.umn.edu/~mein/jp1

   I think its pretty far along, at least compaired to some of the
   other rdf's out there.

   Things that need to be worked on:
   Macro thing is still a little goofy.
         If I program a macro via remote $015 cycles through 00, 40, 80
         If I do it through jp1 starts at 00 then goes to 11
   ButtonMaps are probably wong.  I opted for more than less, really the
         way it seems is for the vcr for example the only buttons that work
         are the vcrdevice(power for the vcr), and the vcr
         buttons (ff,rew,tv/vcr).
   Figuring out if there is indeed a power thing like the 810.

   Kent
   --
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   http://www.cs.umn.edu/~mein

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--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "johnsfine" <johnfine@a...> wrote:
> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, Kent Mein <mein@c...> wrote:
>
> > I created a dummy upgrade with no buttons. and applyed it to tv
and
> > cable.  Now only the vcr buttons send an ir signal so should I
> > just put those buttons in the buttonmap for the vcr mode?  Or does
> > that not work?
>
> I don't understand your question, but I think I understand a key
> aspect of what the remote is doing.
>
> In some models, when the current seup code (TV or Cable) lacks
> transport keys the remote will punch through the transport keys from
> VCR mode.  That does not mean the Cable upgrade couldn't include
> transport keys, just that the current one doesn't.
>
> If your objective is to enable the transport punch through, then it
> should work to leave those out when you build your cable upgrade
(most
> models don't allow transport keys in the TV upgrade).
>
> If your objective is to deduce the posible structure of an arbitrary
> cable upgrade, you still need to investigate.

John,

      Any and all questions for a while, at least until we say we have
the power thing figured out, is gonna be directed towards finding how
the remote handles the power thing.  Kent didn't understand your
earlier post of today, and more than I did.  Not a reflection on you,
just a couple inexperienced and basic dummies thrown into the task of
bungling our way through trying to figure out a workable rdf for this
thing.  We each, having been together online with YM postulated a
theory at what you were actually saying.  My GUESS about the position
thing was, at best as I can explain it:  an upgrade code has a string
of hex.  The first position of that string is part of the protocol
number.  The others relate to buttons and their associated hex.
Somewhere in that string is a critical position which has our elusive
power command.  Apparantly it can't be any earlier or later in the
string or it won't work.

Using this as an example:  (From a KM uprade text file from a
different device)

Upgrade code 0 = 3F D6 (Misc Audio/2006),,,,Upgrade protocol 0 = 01
50 (S3C8+),,,,,,,,
50 00 70 3C 80 21 0A 4A 40 3A 7A 40 2A 6A 5A 1A,,,,36 36 01 8B 0E 84
41 08 07 00 2A 06 C3 00 2A 04,,,,,,,,
60 20,,,,C3 0D D9 8D 01 46,,,,,,,,
End,,,,End,,,,,,,,

The protocol is 01 50.  The first "cell" is 50, which indicates the
protocol the upgrade uses.  Starting with the second "cell" I haven't
got a clue.  If I understand what you said earlier, someplace after
that first cell represents WHERE the power efc has to be stored.
Somehow we have to figure out exactly which one.  I'm GUESSING again,
that you were suggesting using the power efc hex and manually
inserting (editing) that into each of those cells, one at a time
until pressing the device key turns a real device on.  Then (guessing
again) that has to be in a specific location in KM or IR so Power
always comes up in that position in an upgrade.

More than likely all my guesses are so far off it's pathetic.  I
can't believe I'm posting my stupidity so blatantly in public.

Jim

--- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, "James H. Gammel" <jamesgammel@y...>
wrote:

> I already saw your new beta rdf.  Thanks for posting this,
> Hopefully alain will se it also, he's the "keeper" for
> remotecharts.

Got it.

Alain

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:44:20 -0000
"Rob Crowe" <rob1@...> wrote:

> --- In jp1@yahoogroups.com, Eric Jorgensen <alhaz@x> wrote:
> > http://we.areb.org/URC-6050-Back.jpg
> > And far less interesting: http://we.areb.org/URC-6050-Front.jpg
> > I didn't remember right - it's a 6805.
> >
> >  - Eric
>
> Could you post an external picture of the remote, I've not heard of a
> URC-6805 before.


	 I ment that the processor is a 6805 rather than a 740.

	 http://www.hifi-remote.com/hr-images/URC-6050.gif

  - Eric


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