When the informational RFC insists on Unicode, it is the sense that the encoding is not EBCDIC nor Big5 nor anything other than Unicode....
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johne_ganz
Feb 25, 2011 7:44 pm
... Not if it's Unicode. It is a common misconception that "Unicode" is just a set of code points, like say ASCII or EBCDIC. It is not. With ASCII, you can...
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Douglas Crockford
douglascrock...
Feb 25, 2011 8:00 pm
... For JSON's purpose, Unicode is just a set of code points. It gives some, such as { and }, special meaning. But in strings, everything should simply be...
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johne_ganz
Feb 25, 2011 11:09 pm
... Not according to RFC 4627 it isn't. Section 3, Encoding, "JSON text SHALL be encoded in Unicode.", where SHALL is interpreted via RFC 2119 (i.e., SHALL is...
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Tatu Saloranta
cowtowncoder
Feb 25, 2011 11:25 pm
... Do you have an ACTUAL problem worth discussion, or is this from just purity standpoint? -+ Tatu +-...
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Tatu Saloranta
cowtowncoder
Feb 25, 2011 11:45 pm
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:09 PM, johne_ganz <john.engelhart@...> wrote: ... This is true statement, although the more practical question seems to be what...
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David Graham
dgraham...
Feb 26, 2011 12:35 am
I had the normalization question while writing json-stream in Ruby as well. I decided the parser shouldn't do Unicode normalization for the following reasons: ...
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Douglas Crockford
douglascrock...
Feb 26, 2011 12:44 am
... I agree....
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johne_ganz
Feb 26, 2011 4:01 am
... True. It would seem, at least to me, that this is one of those nuanced points that either a) Has not been given the proper consideration by Unicode...
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johne_ganz
Feb 26, 2011 5:08 am
... This is my point. It happens both on the serialization side, but (at least in my opinion), it is much more likely to happen on the deserialization side. ...
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Mark Slater
markosslater
Feb 26, 2011 11:05 am
Regarding the handling of numbers, the RFC doesn't appear to make any mention of native representations of numbers - in fact, it only specifies what...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Feb 26, 2011 4:54 pm
... I think that limit is implied by the statement in the "Security considerations"; section that says that JSON is a subset of JavaScript, where numbers are...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Feb 26, 2011 5:04 pm
... I agree in part. JSON parsers MUST NOT normalize their inputs, for the reasons given upthread. But JSON generators SHOULD generate normalization form C,...
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Douglas Crockford
douglascrock...
Feb 26, 2011 6:04 pm
... That's not quite right. JSON says nothing at all about number representations. All it knows is sequences of digits with the occasional decimal points. JSON...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Feb 26, 2011 8:05 pm
... Normalization is non-trivial, and I doubt if any existing Unicode library imposes it on all strings at creation/modification time. Certainly ICU does not;...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Feb 26, 2011 8:08 pm
... You are over-interpreting the standard. Of course applications can delete characters: sed -s 's/t//' deletes all t's from the input. And that's all...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Feb 26, 2011 8:09 pm
... So you are now conceding that it's invalid JSON to send through unpaired surrogate code units, since they don't correspond to code points? We discussed...
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Tatu Saloranta
cowtowncoder
Feb 26, 2011 8:59 pm
... Yes. ... Ok. But in this case, would JSON specification itself help a lot? I understand that this is problematic, in that different platforms can choose...
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Tatu Saloranta
cowtowncoder
Feb 26, 2011 9:03 pm
... This sounds reasonable to me as well. -+ Tatu +-...
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Douglas Crockford
douglascrock...
Feb 27, 2011 12:07 am
... No. ... Right....
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mehdigholam@...
mehdigholam...
Feb 27, 2011 7:47 am
Hello all, Huge speed optimizations in fastJSON v1.4 now officially the fastest JSON on the .net platform. http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/fastJSON.aspx...
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Petri Lehtinen
akhern...
Feb 28, 2011 7:31 pm
Jansson 2.0 is finally out. This is a new major release that is (slightly) backwards incompatible with the older versions. Changes since v1.3 ... * Backwards...
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johne_ganz
Mar 2, 2011 3:58 am
... It is my opinion that the answer is "Yes". The standard must address some of the issues introduced by the use of Unicode (see below). Then there is the...
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johne_ganz
Mar 2, 2011 4:46 am
... The Foundation framework (specifically the NSString class) on Mac OS X and iPhone / iPad does. Not sure if 90+ million iPhones count for much, though. In...
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mehdigholam@...
mehdigholam...
Mar 2, 2011 6:17 pm
Hello all, Huge optimizations again for fastJSON the .net implementations. http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/fastJSON.aspx Cheers,...
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Dave Gamble
signalzerodb
Mar 2, 2011 6:21 pm
Would it be too much to specify that key names are to be ASCII top-bit-unset strings? i.e. in the definition of an object, designate that the "string" there is...
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Dave Gamble
signalzerodb
Mar 2, 2011 6:29 pm
Better question: How does the ECMA/javascript spec limit variable names? This seems to be the same question, in practical terms. Dave. ... [Non-text portions...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Mar 2, 2011 6:38 pm
... In JSON, unquoted keys are not permitted, so both keys and values are strings. -- Unless it was by accident that I had John Cowan offended...
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Dave Gamble
signalzerodb
Mar 2, 2011 6:39 pm
To save people looking it up: ECMA-262, section 7.6: Two IdentifierName that are canonically equivalent according to the Unicode standard are not equal unless...
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Dave Gamble
signalzerodb
Mar 2, 2011 6:43 pm
... I am aware of that :) It occurs to me that since the intention is that JSON text deserializes into an instanced object, which will in some cases be a ...
