... Unfortunately, the various pickle formats are apparently not documented anywhere that Google can find. Can you provide a pointer? (There is also a...
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rkalla123
Sep 23, 2011 4:43 pm
Don, Great feedback so far, I have a few thoughts on the subject: 1. The hard-to-measure value of a specification being simple and immediately grok'able is...
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rkalla123
Sep 23, 2011 4:47 pm
Milo, Agreed on how the format must be presented on the website, I am keeping your post bookmarked as a TODO list as I work on formalizing the spec on the...
1728
rkalla123
Sep 23, 2011 4:49 pm
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Tatu Saloranta
cowtowncoder
Sep 24, 2011 3:04 am
... I think it is patronizing to suggest that something as simple as supporting Big Integer and -Decimal would be beyond skills of competent parser writers --...
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Patrick Maupin
patmaupin
Sep 24, 2011 4:25 am
... The best documentation I know of is in the source for the pickle and pickletools modules. You can find them, e.g. like this: $ python Python 2.6.4...
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Stephan Beal
stephan.beal
Sep 24, 2011 1:15 pm
... Not beyond the skills - beyond the patience and needs. i host 2 (C and C++) JSON libraries and i have absolutely no need for big numbers, so i would never...
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Dennis Gearon
gearond...
Sep 24, 2011 5:25 pm
this subject in this mail list generated more email in one week that the list had in 6 months. I therefore stepped back, too much to follow. Anyone willing to...
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rkalla123
Sep 24, 2011 5:52 pm
Hey Dennis, Here is where we are: I have been working on a Universal Binary JSON specification and asked the group for feedback on it. You can check the spec...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Sep 24, 2011 6:01 pm
... Well then, why not add just one more type code for "string-encoded number"? That way, ordinary JSON can be round-tripped with 100% reliability. Well, if...
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Dennis Gearon
gearond...
Sep 24, 2011 6:11 pm
I have felt for a LOOOOOONG time, that representing numbers, including drive sizes, integers, any others, could have been future proofed and more simple using...
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rkalla123
Sep 24, 2011 6:23 pm
Hmm! John, I like that idea... it is simple, singular and easy to represent. What would you think of something like this: marker: N length: required example: ...
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Dennis Gearon
gearond...
Sep 24, 2011 6:34 pm
Since this IS about JAVAscript (not really java, buuuuuuut), use the Java specification for unlimited length integers. Propose it to the javascript/emca ...
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Patrick Maupin
patmaupin
Sep 24, 2011 6:40 pm
... I like the idea of "encoded generic number". But one of the purposes of a binary encoding is space savings, so I don't think unicode fits into that...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Sep 24, 2011 6:45 pm
... H for Huge might be good. We want people to encode ordinary numbers using the byte/int/double formats. ... Yes. Of course, in this context UTF-8 and...
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rkalla123
Sep 24, 2011 6:58 pm
Patrick, The reasons I specified UTF-8 were (1) to be consistent with the rest of the spec (e.g. you don't have to change your thinking just because you are...
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rkalla123
Sep 24, 2011 6:59 pm
John, I really like the idea and agree that 'H' is bigger and avoids confusion with the smaller numeric types. I'll add it to the spec!...
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Tatu Saloranta
cowtowncoder
Sep 24, 2011 7:48 pm
... I was about to suggest this, it is a possible work around. ... I agree that compatibility with JSON, both at logical data model and ideally at APIs would...
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Tatu Saloranta
cowtowncoder
Sep 24, 2011 7:53 pm
... I can not disagree more on "understand in under 10 mins" aspect. Why should that matter? Users will NOT (need to) read the spec; they will use whatever API...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Sep 26, 2011 2:32 am
... The comments in here seem to be the ticket. Thanks. -- You escaped them by the will-death John Cowan and the Way of the Black Wheel....
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Paul C. Bryan
paul.bryan@...
Sep 26, 2011 4:37 pm
... 1. I presume the only reason for making this a signed number is to just be consistent with the processing binary representations of numbers? 2. I presume...
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rkalla123
Sep 26, 2011 5:11 pm
Paul, Thank you for the feedback, my comments are inlined below. ... Yes exactly. Elements can have a byte length of 0 or more, negative numbers would cause...
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Paul C. Bryan
paul.bryan@...
Sep 26, 2011 6:02 pm
On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 17:11 +0000, rkalla123 wrote: Ah, sorry, wasn't aware there was an updated spec yet. Just read it. Most of my questions were resolved in...
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rkalla123
Sep 26, 2011 6:17 pm
... Glad to hear that. I've been working hard on clarifying a lot of the holes that were in the original doc as I port them to the site and questions like...
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Paul C. Bryan
paul.bryan@...
Sep 26, 2011 6:29 pm
... Also presumably it's perfectly acceptable to encode numbers <= 64 bits in an "H" value. Paul...
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rkalla123
Sep 26, 2011 7:05 pm
... Yes exactly right. You could encode every number that way and it would amount to parsing strings on the processing side, effectively performing on par with...
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Milo Sredkov
milosredkov
Sep 28, 2011 4:19 pm
Hello, JSON Groups Members! As I already mentioned, I recently finished analysing some large number of JSON libraries linked from json.org about the data...
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rkalla123
Sep 28, 2011 4:32 pm
Milo this is a staggering amount of research. Thank you for compiling it all and sharing!...
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Don Owens
regexman
Sep 28, 2011 4:55 pm
I like this. It meets Riyad's goal of keeping the spec simple, while compact in most cases, and, at the same time, meeting the need for lossless round trip...
