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Re: [kakadu_jpeg2000] Lossless Encoding Problems?

Hi Ron,

The article referenced here suggests firstly that default modes should
be lossless. The answer to why they are not for popular J2K codecs
is that quality is somewhat better (particularly at reduced resolutions)
when viewing lossy compressed images using the irreversible options
rather than the reversible. On balance, then, it is probably still better
to have the irreversible path as the default one.

Regarding the problems created by going to JPEG downstream, this
certainly has nothing to do with JPEG2000 per-se. We have to remember
that JPEG is lossy, so it only takes some small tampering with the
parameters to produce two different JPEG results from the same lossless
original stored in different formats. Perhaps, the JPEG coder being
tested is coming up with quantization parameters differently, depending
on the source file and its associated metadata.

Cheers,

david


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Murray" <rmur@...>
To: <kakadu_jpeg2000@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:37 AM
Subject: [kakadu_jpeg2000] Lossless Encoding Problems?


>A recent post to a library technology listserv appears to document some
>problems with lossless PEG 2000 encoding:
>
> http://dltj.org/2007/05/almost-lossless-jpeg2000/
>
> "For our sample greyscale images, we have not yet found a way to perform a
> lossless transformation to JPEG2000 when a downstream derivative is JPEG;
> there are perceptible differences between the JPEG created from the TIFF
> file versus the JPEG created from the losslessly compressed JPEG2000
> file."
>
> It's not clear in this recounting where and how the losses are being
> incurred. Can the tech-savvy readers of this listserv give us a hand in
> clarifying and addressing this issue.
>
> Thanks,
> Ron Murray
>
>
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A recent post to a library technology listserv appears to document some problems with lossless PEG 2000 encoding: ...
Ronald Murray
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May 3, 2007
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Hi Ron, The article referenced here suggests firstly that default modes should be lossless. The answer to why they are not for popular J2K codecs is that...
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May 4, 2007
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Hi David, I want to clear a doubt I am having about multi layered jpeg2000. Doubt is when we use bit rate control method to contain a file to a particular...
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Please correct me if i'm wrong. To my understanding. If, Amit question is "Is it like no packet is dropped from uppermost layer, is it remains lossless?" If 1...
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Hi Manotum, Thank you for your response. Actually, by layer I mean to say "jpeg2000 layers" not an image bit layer. As you explained that every packet will...
Amit Bhatia
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... Hash: SHA1 Dr. Taubman -- Thanks for the reply. I am the author of the message Ron referred to in his posting. One comment and one bit of good news: ... ...
Peter Murray
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Packets can be empty and the image still lossless -- obviously, this happens for an all-zero image. cheers, David ... From: "Manotum Wichiencharoen"...
David Taubman
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That's ok. My question was Can the uppermost compression layer be lossy?? Can packets be dropped from the uppermost layer?? Is it in jp2 specs that uppermost...
Amit Bhatia
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Can the uppermost compression layer be lossy?? -- certainly Can packets be dropped from the uppermost layer?? -- yes and no; any reasonable decoder should be...
David Taubman
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I recently purchased the license and source-code for Kakadu V.5. I've been using the book "JPEG2000-Image Compression Fundamentals" as my main reference, which...
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