Hello Bill: Welcome back to the Klein discussion group! I have been assembling small points of argument on what I've dubbed the "Arithmetic Divided Line"....
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May 1, 2003 6:02 pm
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Hi Klein group: Another passage from Aristotle that weighs in on what Plato might have considered to be a noetic number or not is Nicomachean Ethics, Book I.6 ...
Ron Allen
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May 3, 2003 5:54 pm
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Hello once more Klein group: It is hard to reconcile the two exclusion criteria below (priority/posteriority and comparability) with Klein's statements that ...
Ron Allen
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May 8, 2003 1:56 am
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HI Ron ... Aristotle has a rather strange doctrine of what is prior. E.g. The chicken is prior to the egg. By arthmoi mathematikoi you assume you are dealing...
Hi Ron This is of course a fascinating and complicated topic. First of all, I do not think Plato's purpose per se is to give us a 'theory of arithmetic' or a...
Hi Bill: ... Agreed. Plato wants to substantiate a political and moral theory. He doesn't want some relativistic, Protagorean morality. He wants also to avoid...
Ron Allen
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May 12, 2003 8:42 pm
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Hello again Bill & Klein group: ... On p. 71, Klein summarizes Plato's link between what is prior and what exists: "But whatever furnishes the foundation for...
Ron Allen
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May 13, 2003 3:39 pm
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Hi Bill: ... No, I don't think Godel shows that numbers are "more than Peano." Maybe I don't see what you're gesturing at here. Godel showed that the true ...
Ron Allen
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May 13, 2003 3:54 pm
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Hello again Bill & Klein readers: Let me point out a place in the Metaphysics where Aristotle's remarks against separate Forms are particularly caustic. I'll...
Ron Allen
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May 15, 2003 5:29 pm
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Hi Bill: This post points to where Aristotle is distinguishing cases of priority. ... In Metaphysics (1077b1) Aristotle says "...not all things which are prior...
Ron Allen
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May 16, 2003 3:54 pm
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Hello Klein group: Ah, so the bright sun of summer shines upon us (in the northern hemisphere) and invites us to a thoroughgoing Aristotelian critique of ...
Ron Allen
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Jun 27, 2003 12:13 am
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Hello again Klein readers: I am fresh back from a vacation stay where the oxygen was thin, and I was mostly convinced that I depended on physical and...
Ron Allen
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Jul 8, 2003 6:05 am
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Hi Ron Just a thought, but are not mathematicals taken as secure by mathematicians. But philosophers see them as images derived from more solid elements? Bill ...
Hi Bill: Yes, that's a good point. If we go back to the divided line; put the mathematicals on the lower part of the upper, noetic realm; and note that a...
Ron Allen
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Jul 10, 2003 4:53 pm
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I am pleased to announce the creation of two new slow reading lists -- for Plato's Lysis (plato-lysis@yahoogroups.com) and Plato's Philebus ...
I will be away from internet access from August 10 until August 17 (I will be vacationing in a cottage on the shore of the Black Sea in Sarpi -- about 130 km....
Hello furtive Klein groupies: Let me try posting this comment again; previous effort via another browser/server seemed to fail. I have to retype it too....
Ron Allen
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Sep 12, 2003 4:03 am
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... Ross is incorrect, because his generation of numbers are apart from the whole from which they derive. He approaches numbers as if they were separate in the...
Mr. Pehmy, By what means do you imagine that "distinct slice of unity" possess an infinitinomial slice of intelligibility? With due regard, J Keyser...
Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha! Kalev Pehme, it's good to see you're back spamsophosizing us, and that the long respite hasn't infected you with either lucidness or ...
Ron Allen
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Sep 12, 2003 3:58 pm
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... Isn't a "thing" a slice of "thought," so to speak? I believe the problem may be put in the following way: What is the whole (in the Platonic sense, as...
Hi Klein students: We're talking about this exegetical problem of the derivation of eidetic numbers in Plato. There is a passage in the Parmenides which lays...
Ron Allen
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Sep 13, 2003 4:56 am
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Ron Allen writes: Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha! Kalev Pehme, it's good to see you're back spamsophosizing us, and that the long respite hasn't infected you with either...
Dear Klein group: ... I haven't had any problems in replying directly to Klein messages sent to me from Yahoo. Are you on Mac or Linux now? ... Well, I guess I...
Ron Allen
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Sep 19, 2003 3:59 pm
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Ron Allen writes: [snip] ... Just venting my frustration with Windows, no matter what version I use. I was having such a horrible time with Windows in one...
... --snip-- ... Let me repeat something from my post #670: Klein, "Plato's Trilogy: Theaetetus, the Sophist and the Statesman", Univ of Chicago Press, 1977...
Ron Allen
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Sep 24, 2003 5:21 am
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Hi Klein group: Put away that book and turn on the tube! If you get PBS on TV (maybe this only applies to Klein list folks in the US) there is an upcoming...
Ron Allen
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Sep 27, 2003 6:00 am
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This invitation pertains to two different groups. One is the plato-phaedo list, the other is a list called philosophy2. Both are groups that existed in the...
... offered my old ... OK, you didn't address it to me, and I'm by no means a mathematical heavyweight, but I think if you've been attending to the discussion...
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