Dear Mr Aw,

 

The link is broken. File not found.

 

Khairul Shafee Kalid,

 

---

From: kmam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kmam@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kk aw
Sent: 31 Januari 2009 11:51
To: kmam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [kmam] Tools for Thought - The People and Ideas of the Next Computer Revolution

 

Dear All,

I came across this fascinating free e-book about the history of
computing by Howard Rheingold recently.
The book is available from: http://www.rheingold.com/texts/tft/1.html.

Haven't finished reading it yet, so I won't try to summarize it.

Enjoy,

KK Aw

Dear All,

I came across this fascinating free e-book about the history of
computing by Howard Rheingold recently.
The book is available from:  http://www.rheingold.com/texts/tft/1.html.

Haven't finished reading it yet, so I won't try to summarize it.

Enjoy,

KK Aw

Hi, I agree with the idea of developing skills in multiple areas to survive in this global economic crisis. But then how to learn new skills when your job doesn't permit you to do so? Say, I want to learn Business Process Mapping or Industry Analysis but my job in KM doesn't have the scope to work on those areas. I also don\t get approval from management to attend such courses, trainings. So the only option is Reading and how much one can learn just by Reading? 10%?   Thnx. Naguib

Im very sorry but I can't disclose those in here. Those details are internal
processes of particular organizations unique to themselves and we are governed
by p&c clause, unless permissions are given.

Ridzuan Kushairi wrote:
> hi, could you benefit kmers with your experience of all 3 situations ie what
company,what product, core business, how km implemented bottoms up or both ways,
how the 1st situation failed to get people on board....tq
> Hulwana Mohd Labib wrote:
>>             I've known three types of organizations. Those that start km
initiative top down- frm the CEO to the masses, those that start frm one
business unit and work through all up to convince the CEO, and another one that
works both ways- initiatives frm the CEO and also frm  a business unit. I have a
direct experience with all three. Ironically, the one in the 1st scenario failed
in its attempt, the CEO could not get enough buy in from the staff, but the
other two succeeded in transforming their organizations, though the rate at
which they were going differ. It all depends on the maturity level of the
organization and the way change programmes are managed.
>> Tan Hai Chen wrote:
>>>             Buckman Lab's case can be a good evidence for what Ridzuan is
talking about. My previous experience from elsewhere also confirms this.
>>>   
>>>  Rgds,
>>>   
>>>  Tan HC --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Ridzuan Kushairi <ridzuankushairi@ yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>>  From: Ridzuan Kushairi <ridzuankushairi@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kmam] Re:
More jobs for KMers at this time? To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday,
January 15, 2009, 11:23 AM
>>>  If the chairman or directors or ceo or HOD of an organsation wants a
learning organisation or wants knowledge management incorporated in the
organisational processes, then the organisation will be one...Other than that,
it would be futile. Ridzuan  ************ ********* ********* *********
********* ********* ********* ** DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachments
transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) , and may contain
information that are privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended
recipient, or responsible for delivery of this message to the addressee, please
notify the sender immediately by reply email and delete all copies of the
transmission. The contents of this email may represent the author/sender' s
personal opinions. As the email may have been intercepted, corrupted, lost,
destroyed, arrive late, incomplete or contain viruses, no liability is accepted
as a
>>>  result. ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
********* **** --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Hulwana Mohd Labib <hulmdl@yahoo. com>
wrote:
>>>  From: Hulwana Mohd Labib <hulmdl@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [kmam] Re: More
jobs for KMers at this time? To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, 15
January, 2009, 9:55 AM
>>>  To make ourselves more marketable, we should diversify our skills... I have
come across job vacancies which did not specifically mentioned KM in the
descriptions, but tailored more towards business roles. There is a need to
actually diversify and expand our experiences so as to make us more in tune with
the need of the industries in this challenging time. If we are marketable, we'll
be flexible enough to fit in any job roles required..
>>>   
>>>  Most often than not, there are some cross overs between roles of KMers and
those of HR and other business units. Depending on the needs of the organization
itself, some may look at having a seperate KM department as important, but some
may see it as redundant, and so, they just lumped the roles to any designated
existing departments which they may see fit to carry those duties.
>>>  From: Chang Daniel <dan_kschang@ yahoo.com> To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Sent:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:37:20 PM Subject: Re: [kmam] Re: More jobs for
KMers at this time?
>>>  Dear Kmers, KM can't be a department, it should a practice which can be
cultivated from all its members. I use to think the need for KM department, in
the real world all employee and associate partners should be made Knowledge
Agents of an organisation, than only the power of knowledge can help
organisation to move forward. Using Knowledge Metrics as part of the
remuneration or performance measurement make more sense in the ever evolving
organisation and dynamic global environment. Cheers Daniel
>>>  From: pook618 <aaron_pook@ hotmail. com> To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Sent:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 17:48:30 Subject: [kmam] Re: More jobs for KMers at
this time?
>>>  Actually, many organization are already implement KM in their operation and
management, but the problem is they don't know "that" is KM. I hope KM can be a
one of the major department in all organization in the future besides HR,
Account, IT, and etc. --- In kmam@yahoogroups. com , Naguib <pial007@... >
wrote: > > Hi, > I was reading an issue of KM Review and found out some
interesting points- the editor was saying, during this time of global recession,
companies need to constantly innovate- new ideas, products, processes.. The
capacity to innovate will depend on the organization' s ability to throw its
best minds at the problem and that's where the crucial need of KM. The KM
function in an organization can abvise the business on the best ways to channel
expertise, experiences and organizational memory at the challenges
>>>  it faces. >   > So, when there is a major job slashing going on around the
world, the role of KMers is getting high in importance. It's the time to capture
the tacit/explicit knowledge of leaving employees and channel it to the one
survived the job cuts. KM rocks! >   > Naguib   > > www.kmtalk.net/ b log >
>>>  New Email addresses available on Yahoo! Get the Email name you've always
wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does!
>>>
>>
>       New Email addresses available on Yahoo!
> Get the Email name you&#39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
> Hurry before someone else does!
> http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/

hi, could you benefit kmers with your experience of all 3 situations ie what
company,what product, core business, how km implemented bottoms up or both ways,
how the 1st situation failed to get people on board...tq

Hulwana Mohd Labib wrote:
>             I've known three types of organizations. Those that start km
initiative top down- frm the CEO to the masses, those that start frm one
business unit and work through all up to convince the CEO, and another one that
works both ways- initiatives frm the CEO and also frm  a business unit. I have a
direct experience with all three. Ironically, the one in the 1st scenario failed
in its attempt, the CEO could not get enough buy in from the staff, but the
other two succeeded in transforming their organizations, though the rate at
which they were going differ. It all depends on the maturity level of the
organization and the way change programmes are managed.
> Tan Hai Chen wrote:
>>             Buckman Lab's case can be a good evidence for what Ridzuan is
talking about. My previous experience from elsewhere also confirms this.
>>   
>>  Rgds,
>>   
>>  Tan HC --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Ridzuan Kushairi <ridzuankushairi@ yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>  From: Ridzuan Kushairi <ridzuankushairi@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kmam] Re:
More jobs for KMers at this time? To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday,
January 15, 2009, 11:23 AM
>>  If the chairman or directors or ceo or HOD of an organsation wants a
learning organisation or wants knowledge management incorporated in the
organisational processes, then the organisation will be one...Other than that,
it would be futile. Ridzuan  ************ ********* ********* *********
********* ********* ********* ** DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachments
transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) , and may contain
information that are privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended
recipient, or responsible for delivery of this message to the addressee, please
notify the sender immediately by reply email and delete all copies of the
transmission. The contents of this email may represent the author/sender' s
personal opinions. As the email may have been intercepted, corrupted, lost,
destroyed, arrive late, incomplete or contain viruses, no liability is accepted
as a
>>  result. ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
********* **** --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Hulwana Mohd Labib <hulmdl@yahoo. com>
wrote:
>>  From: Hulwana Mohd Labib <hulmdl@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [kmam] Re: More
jobs for KMers at this time? To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, 15
January, 2009, 9:55 AM
>>  To make ourselves more marketable, we should diversify our skills.. I have
come across job vacancies which did not specifically mentioned KM in the
descriptions, but tailored more towards business roles. There is a need to
actually diversify and expand our experiences so as to make us more in tune with
the need of the industries in this challenging time. If we are marketable, we'll
be flexible enough to fit in any job roles required.
>>   
>>  Most often than not, there are some cross overs between roles of KMers and
those of HR and other business units. Depending on the needs of the organization
itself, some may look at having a seperate KM department as important, but some
may see it as redundant, and so, they just lumped the roles to any designated
existing departments which they may see fit to carry those duties.
>>  From: Chang Daniel <dan_kschang@ yahoo.com> To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Sent:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:37:20 PM Subject: Re: [kmam] Re: More jobs for
KMers at this time?
>>  Dear Kmers, KM can't be a department, it should a practice which can be
cultivated from all its members. I use to think the need for KM department, in
the real world all employee and associate partners should be made Knowledge
Agents of an organisation, than only the power of knowledge can help
organisation to move forward. Using Knowledge Metrics as part of the
remuneration or performance measurement make more sense in the ever evolving
organisation and dynamic global environment. Cheers Daniel
>>  From: pook618 <aaron_pook@ hotmail. com> To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Sent:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 17:48:30 Subject: [kmam] Re: More jobs for KMers at
this time?
>>  Actually, many organization are already implement KM in their operation and
management, but the problem is they don't know "that" is KM. I hope KM can be a
one of the major department in all organization in the future besides HR,
Account, IT, and etc. --- In kmam@yahoogroups. com , Naguib <pial007@... >
wrote: > > Hi, > I was reading an issue of KM Review and found out some
interesting points- the editor was saying, during this time of global recession,
companies need to constantly innovate- new ideas, products, processes. The
capacity to innovate will depend on the organization' s ability to throw its
best minds at the problem and that's where the crucial need of KM. The KM
function in an organization can abvise the business on the best ways to channel
expertise, experiences and organizational memory at the challenges
>>  it faces. >   > So, when there is a major job slashing going on around the
world, the role of KMers is getting high in importance. It's the time to capture
the tacit/explicit knowledge of leaving employees and channel it to the one
survived the job cuts. KM rocks! >   > Naguib   > > www.kmtalk.net/ b log >
>>  New Email addresses available on Yahoo! Get the Email name you've always
wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does!
>>
>



       New Email addresses available on Yahoo!
Get the Email name you&#39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
Hurry before someone else does!
http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/

I've known three types of organizations. Those that start km initiative top
down- frm the CEO to the masses, those that start frm one business unit and work
through all up to convince the CEO, and another one that works both ways-
initiatives frm the CEO and also frm  a business unit. I have a direct
experience with all three. Ironically, the one in the 1st scenario failed in its
attempt, the CEO could not get enough buy in from the staff, but the other two
succeeded in transforming their organizations, though the rate at which they
were going differ. It all depends on the maturity level of the organization and
the way change programmes are managed.

Tan Hai Chen wrote:
>             Buckman Lab's case can be a good evidence for what Ridzuan is
talking about. My previous experience from elsewhere also confirms this.
>   
>  Rgds,
>   
>  Tan HC --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Ridzuan Kushairi <ridzuankushairi@ yahoo.com>
wrote:
>  From: Ridzuan Kushairi <ridzuankushairi@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kmam] Re:
More jobs for KMers at this time? To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday,
January 15, 2009, 11:23 AM
>  If the chairman or directors or ceo or HOD of an organsation wants a learning
organisation or wants knowledge management incorporated in the organisational
processes, then the organisation will be one...Other than that, it would be
futile. Ridzuan  ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
********* ** DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachments transmitted with it are
intended solely for the addressee(s) , and may contain information that are
privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or
responsible for delivery of this message to the addressee, please notify the
sender immediately by reply email and delete all copies of the transmission. The
contents of this email may represent the author/sender' s personal opinions. As
the email may have been intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late,
incomplete or contain viruses, no liability is accepted as a
>  result. ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********
********* **** --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Hulwana Mohd Labib <hulmdl@yahoo. com>
wrote:
>  From: Hulwana Mohd Labib <hulmdl@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [kmam] Re: More
jobs for KMers at this time? To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, 15
January, 2009, 9:55 AM
>  To make ourselves more marketable, we should diversify our skills.. I have
come across job vacancies which did not specifically mentioned KM in the
descriptions, but tailored more towards business roles. There is a need to
actually diversify and expand our experiences so as to make us more in tune with
the need of the industries in this challenging time. If we are marketable, we'll
be flexible enough to fit in any job roles required.
>   
>  Most often than not, there are some cross overs between roles of KMers and
those of HR and other business units. Depending on the needs of the organization
itself, some may look at having a seperate KM department as important, but some
may see it as redundant, and so, they just lumped the roles to any designated
existing departments which they may see fit to carry those duties.
>  From: Chang Daniel <dan_kschang@ yahoo.com> To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Sent:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:37:20 PM Subject: Re: [kmam] Re: More jobs for
KMers at this time?
>  Dear Kmers, KM can't be a department, it should a practice which can be
cultivated from all its members. I use to think the need for KM department, in
the real world all employee and associate partners should be made Knowledge
Agents of an organisation, than only the power of knowledge can help
organisation to move forward. Using Knowledge Metrics as part of the
remuneration or performance measurement make more sense in the ever evolving
organisation and dynamic global environment. Cheers Daniel
>  From: pook618 <aaron_pook@hotmail. com> To: kmam@yahoogroups. com Sent:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 17:48:30 Subject: [kmam] Re: More jobs for KMers at
this time?
>  Actually, many organization are already implement KM in their operation and
management, but the problem is they don't know "that" is KM. I hope KM can be a
one of the major department in all organization in the future besides HR,
Account, IT, and etc. --- In kmam@yahoogroups. com , Naguib <pial007@... >
wrote: > > Hi, > I was reading an issue of KM Review and found out some
interesting points- the editor was saying, during this time of global recession,
companies need to constantly innovate- new ideas, products, processes. The
capacity to innovate will depend on the organization' s ability to throw its
best minds at the problem and that's where the crucial need of KM. The KM
function in an organization can abvise the business on the best ways to channel
expertise, experiences and organizational memory at the challenges
>  it faces. >   > So, when there is a major job slashing going on around the
world, the role of KMers is getting high in importance. It's the time to capture
the tacit/explicit knowledge of leaving employees and channel it to the one
survived the job cuts. KM rocks! >   > Naguib   > > www.kmtalk.net/ b log >
>  New Email addresses available on Yahoo! Get the Email name you've always
wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does!
>

Actually, many organization are already implement KM in their
operation and management, but the problem is they don't know "that" is
KM. I hope KM can be a one of the major department in all organization
in the future besides HR, Account, IT, and etc.

--- In kmam@yahoogroups.com, Naguib <pial007@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I was reading an issue of KM Review and found out some interesting
points- the editor was saying, during this time of global recession,
companies need to constantly innovate- new ideas, products, processes.
The capacity to innovate will depend on the organization's ability to
throw its best minds at the problem and that's where the crucial need
of KM. The KM function in an organization can abvise the business on
the best ways to channel expertise, experiences and organizational
memory at the challenges it faces.
>  
> So, when there is a major job slashing going on around the world,
the role of KMers is getting high in importance. It's the time to
capture the tacit/explicit knowledge of leaving employees and channel
it to the one survived the job cuts. KM rocks!
>  
> Naguib  
>
> www.kmtalk.net/blog
>

When you are educated, you'll believe only half of what you hear.
When you're intelligent, you know which half.

--- In kmam@yahoogroups.com, Tan Hai Chen <tanhc@...> wrote:
>
> Couldn't agree more with Dave.
>  
> HC Tan
>
> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, David Snowden <snowded@...> wrote:
>
> From: David Snowden <snowded@...>
> Subject: Re: Re :[kmam] Re: KM position available
> To: kmam@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 2:40 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Personally I think this email speaks more against you and your
attitude that it does against Aaron Pook
> I was appalled to read it.  Most international organisations
recognise that English is not a first language for many people.  They
will be more concerned for the intelligence and work experience of
the individual.  The correct form here would have been for you to
send a one to one email to Aaron Pook correcting it rather than
demonstrating your superior English to the larger community of the
listserv.  That would have be helpful, and modest
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave Snowden
> Founder & Chief Scientific Officer
> Cognitive Edge Pte Ltd
>
>
> Now blogging at www.cognitive- edge.com
>
>
>
> On 26 Nov 2008, at 06:00, Hal wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have just joined your mailing list. I have just completed the
Masters in KM graduate program at a university in Singapore. I don't
think that there are many openings specifically for KM professionals
especially for recent graduates in South-east Asia. But I think that,
and I am being blunt here, nobody is going to hire somebody who
writes in such terrible English!  I mean, Aaron Pook, please have a
re-read of your posting:
>
> You wrote: "Does any job or vacancy offering by your company? I am
just graduated from MMU with a Degree of Business and Knowledge
Management"
>
> Should really read: "Are there any job vacancies at your company? I
have just graduated from MMU ...."
>  
> You wrote: "I hope i can join a company which is able for me to
gain more experience by the way to make the KM profesionalize. "
>
> Wow this sentence is so bad, I do not know where to begin to
correct this one. Let me try: "I am hoping that I could join a
company that would enable me to gain more experience so that I could
enhance my professionalism in KM."
>
> I will not add insult to injury by correcting the English of your
later postings...
>
> I am so sorry to be correcting your English and as a first post
here I may be misinterpreted as being a snob but I assure you that is
not me and neither is my intention to shed light on other people's
mistakes. But really, having some minor grammatical and typo mistakes
are fine but AaronPook's post is really embarrasing. So embarrasing
in fact that I am wondering if I made the right decision to join this
group even though I know his posting is not representative of this
esteemed group. As the Malays would say, "Jangan marah lah". We all
need to improve and as KMers we need to refelct upon ourselves
first...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jack
>
> Check me out, I'm on facebook 
> http://www.facebook .com/home. php?#/profile. php?id=159212186
1&ref=profile
>
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Thanks and regards,
> > > AaronPook
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:12:19 -0000 kmam@yahoogroups. com wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ya i agree with you all and thanks for the advices. I know a lot of 
>
> theories, yet useless if i got no practical. god bless me.
>
>
>
> --- In kmam@yahoogroups. com, "Nor mansor" 
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > very much agree with daniel. even the current situation is not so 
>
> easy,yes
>
> > indeed there are many companies looking for KM related
capabilities.
>
> > However, many people want to be associated with only and only
high 
>
> profile
>
> > organizations which at this moment there are not so much
offerings 
>
> provided.
>
> > 
>
> > after leaving my job in a prominent oil and gas company , i 
>
> discovered that
>
> > there are still many jobs to be grabbed. technical know how is a 
>
> must
>
> > followed by technical know who. sometimes the second one comes 
>
> first.
>
> > 
>
> > anyway, good luck in your job searching and hope you will be 
>
> employed by the
>
> > desired organization.
>
> > 
>
> > cheers
>
> > 
>
> > hayati
>
> > 
>
> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Chang Daniel 
>
> wrote:
>
> > 
>
> > > Dear Aaron,
>
> > >
>
> > > Congratulation on your recent graduation. The current job
market 
>
> is not
>
> > > that gloomy, I can expect that it will be quite some time that 
>
> companies
>
> > > will hired KM professional, however don't give up, it has been
an 
>
> indication
>
> > > finally that the adoption of KM practices with medium size 
>
> companies (rougly
>
> > > make up of Malaysia 85% of the companies).
>
> > >
>
> > > I will advice that you take on any job that involve information 
>
> system,
>
> > > operation analyst and marketing intelligence. Bare in mind many 
>
> business
>
> > > owners don't know what is KM, but has begin to use the
practices 
>
> after they
>
> > > had implemented their ERP, CRM and even web collaboration
system.
>
> > >
>
> > > Otherwise if you really want to stick to KM practice, start a KM
>
> > > consultation and implementation company that focus on SME. Many 
>
> of these
>
> > > companies are trying to improve their administrative system 
>
> through
>
> > > knowledge collaboration. There is a big market out there but
your 
>
> pricing
>
> > > must be realistic to their budget.
>
> > >
>
> > > By the way Cherly, welcome to the entreprenurial path, if you 
>
> need help or
>
> > > finding anyway we can work together, drop me an e-mail
>
> > > dan_kschang@ ...
>
> > >
>
> > > All the best
>
> > > Daniel Chang
>
> > > www.inzignia. biz
>
> > >
>
> > > ------------ --------- ---------
>
> > > *From:* pook618 
>
> > > *To:* kmam@yahoogroups. com
>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2008 18:21:39
>
> > > *Subject:* [kmam] Re: KM position available
>
> > >
>
> > > Dear Cherly Teh,
>
> > >
>
> > > Does any job or vacancy offering by your company? I am just 
>
> graduated
>
> > > from MMU with a Degree of Business and Knowledge Management. I 
>
> hope i
>
> > > can join a company which is able for me to gain more experience
by
>
> > > the way to make the KM profesionalize.
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks and regards,
>
> > > AaronPook
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In kmam@yahoogroups. com  , "C Teh" 
>
>
>
> > > ..> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Dear allI've posted this up before but didn't get any suitable
>
> > > candidates.
>
> > > > My organisation is still looking for a KM Manager. Apart from 
>
> being
>
> > > suitably
>
> > > > well experienced for the position, the candidate should be a
>
> > > Malaysian
>
> > > > citizen, able to relocate to Genting Highlands, happy to work 
>
> in a
>
> > > > integrated resort i.e. gaming/hotel/ theme park environment.
>
> > > > Our KM initiatives are currently revolving around - Knowledge
>
> > > Transfer,
>
> > > > COPs, Content and Document Management.
>
> > > > Remuneration is pretty good, with accommodation, meals in the
>
> > > hotels and
>
> > > > laundry provided.
>
> > > > If anyone is interested in knowing more, please contact me.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Cheers,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Cheryl Teh
>
> > > > cherylteh@ .
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 
>
> > >
>
> >
>

Most of us tend to solve the symptoms rather than the real
problem.Language is one of the medium for communications. Consider
this "The caveman who wrote the illustrations on the wall and during
the Pyramid era manage to communicate better then us now with the
assistance of ICT" My humble 2 cents thots

Azuddin Jud Haji Ismail
Director of K-Economy
Digital Melaka
Chief Minister Office
MSC Malaysia@Melaka MITC

--- In kmam@yahoogroups.com, Tan Hai Chen <tanhc@...> wrote:
>
> Couldn't agree more with Dave.
>  
> HC Tan
>
> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, David Snowden <snowded@...> wrote:
>
> From: David Snowden <snowded@...>
> Subject: Re: Re :[kmam] Re: KM position available
> To: kmam@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 2:40 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Personally I think this email speaks more against you and your
attitude that it does against Aaron Pook
> I was appalled to read it.  Most international organisations
recognise that English is not a first language for many people.  They
will be more concerned for the intelligence and work experience of
the individual.  The correct form here would have been for you to
send a one to one email to Aaron Pook correcting it rather than
demonstrating your superior English to the larger community of the
listserv.  That would have be helpful, and modest
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave Snowden
> Founder & Chief Scientific Officer
> Cognitive Edge Pte Ltd
>
>
> Now blogging at www.cognitive- edge.com
>
>
>
> On 26 Nov 2008, at 06:00, Hal wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have just joined your mailing list. I have just completed the
Masters in KM graduate program at a university in Singapore. I don't
think that there are many openings specifically for KM professionals
especially for recent graduates in South-east Asia. But I think that,
and I am being blunt here, nobody is going to hire somebody who
writes in such terrible English!  I mean, Aaron Pook, please have a
re-read of your posting:
>
> You wrote: "Does any job or vacancy offering by your company? I am
just graduated from MMU with a Degree of Business and Knowledge
Management"
>
> Should really read: "Are there any job vacancies at your company? I
have just graduated from MMU ...."
>  
> You wrote: "I hope i can join a company which is able for me to
gain more experience by the way to make the KM profesionalize. "
>
> Wow this sentence is so bad, I do not know where to begin to
correct this one. Let me try: "I am hoping that I could join a
company that would enable me to gain more experience so that I could
enhance my professionalism in KM."
>
> I will not add insult to injury by correcting the English of your
later postings...
>
> I am so sorry to be correcting your English and as a first post
here I may be misinterpreted as being a snob but I assure you that is
not me and neither is my intention to shed light on other people's
mistakes. But really, having some minor grammatical and typo mistakes
are fine but AaronPook's post is really embarrasing. So embarrasing
in fact that I am wondering if I made the right decision to join this
group even though I know his posting is not representative of this
esteemed group. As the Malays would say, "Jangan marah lah". We all
need to improve and as KMers we need to refelct upon ourselves
first...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jack
>
> Check me out, I'm on facebook 
> http://www.facebook .com/home. php?#/profile. php?id=159212186
1&ref=profile
>
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Thanks and regards,
> > > AaronPook
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:12:19 -0000 kmam@yahoogroups. com wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ya i agree with you all and thanks for the advices. I know a lot of 
>
> theories, yet useless if i got no practical. god bless me.
>
>
>
> --- In kmam@yahoogroups. com, "Nor mansor" 
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > very much agree with daniel. even the current situation is not so 
>
> easy,yes
>
> > indeed there are many companies looking for KM related
capabilities.
>
> > However, many people want to be associated with only and only
high 
>
> profile
>
> > organizations which at this moment there are not so much
offerings 
>
> provided.
>
> > 
>
> > after leaving my job in a prominent oil and gas company , i 
>
> discovered that
>
> > there are still many jobs to be grabbed. technical know how is a 
>
> must
>
> > followed by technical know who. sometimes the second one comes 
>
> first.
>
> > 
>
> > anyway, good luck in your job searching and hope you will be 
>
> employed by the
>
> > desired organization.
>
> > 
>
> > cheers
>
> > 
>
> > hayati
>
> > 
>
> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Chang Daniel 
>
> wrote:
>
> > 
>
> > > Dear Aaron,
>
> > >
>
> > > Congratulation on your recent graduation. The current job
market 
>
> is not
>
> > > that gloomy, I can expect that it will be quite some time that 
>
> companies
>
> > > will hired KM professional, however don't give up, it has been
an 
>
> indication
>
> > > finally that the adoption of KM practices with medium size 
>
> companies (rougly
>
> > > make up of Malaysia 85% of the companies).
>
> > >
>
> > > I will advice that you take on any job that involve information 
>
> system,
>
> > > operation analyst and marketing intelligence. Bare in mind many 
>
> business
>
> > > owners don't know what is KM, but has begin to use the
practices 
>
> after they
>
> > > had implemented their ERP, CRM and even web collaboration
system.
>
> > >
>
> > > Otherwise if you really want to stick to KM practice, start a KM
>
> > > consultation and implementation company that focus on SME. Many 
>
> of these
>
> > > companies are trying to improve their administrative system 
>
> through
>
> > > knowledge collaboration. There is a big market out there but
your 
>
> pricing
>
> > > must be realistic to their budget.
>
> > >
>
> > > By the way Cherly, welcome to the entreprenurial path, if you 
>
> need help or
>
> > > finding anyway we can work together, drop me an e-mail
>
> > > dan_kschang@ ...
>
> > >
>
> > > All the best
>
> > > Daniel Chang
>
> > > www.inzignia. biz
>
> > >
>
> > > ------------ --------- ---------
>
> > > *From:* pook618 
>
> > > *To:* kmam@yahoogroups. com
>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2008 18:21:39
>
> > > *Subject:* [kmam] Re: KM position available
>
> > >
>
> > > Dear Cherly Teh,
>
> > >
>
> > > Does any job or vacancy offering by your company? I am just 
>
> graduated
>
> > > from MMU with a Degree of Business and Knowledge Management. I 
>
> hope i
>
> > > can join a company which is able for me to gain more experience
by
>
> > > the way to make the KM profesionalize.
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks and regards,
>
> > > AaronPook
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In kmam@yahoogroups. com  , "C Teh" 
>
>
>
> > > ..> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Dear allI've posted this up before but didn't get any suitable
>
> > > candidates.
>
> > > > My organisation is still looking for a KM Manager. Apart from 
>
> being
>
> > > suitably
>
> > > > well experienced for the position, the candidate should be a
>
> > > Malaysian
>
> > > > citizen, able to relocate to Genting Highlands, happy to work 
>
> in a
>
> > > > integrated resort i.e. gaming/hotel/ theme park environment.
>
> > > > Our KM initiatives are currently revolving around - Knowledge
>
> > > Transfer,
>
> > > > COPs, Content and Document Management.
>
> > > > Remuneration is pretty good, with accommodation, meals in the
>
> > > hotels and
>
> > > > laundry provided.
>
> > > > If anyone is interested in knowing more, please contact me.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Cheers,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Cheryl Teh
>
> > > > cherylteh@ .
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > 
>
> > >
>
> >
>

The Knowledge Management Professional Society (KMPro) is pleased to
announce the release and availability of our Volume 5, Number 2 Fall 2008
KMPro Journal. This edition contains:

- EDITOR: From the Editor’s Desk -- Mary Lee Kennedy & Deb Wallace
- ABOUT KMPro: Update on Membership Growth, New Programs and New Member
Benefits
- KM IN ACTION: How Knowledge Management Professionals Can Improve
Cross-Project Learning in Project- Based Organizations (Jerry L Julian)
- KM RESEARCH: Discretionary Effort - "Can We Really Account for
Performance Surge?" (Kurt April and Victor Katoma)
- KM THOUGHT LEADER: Collaborative Knowledge for Capability Building
(Hubert Saint-Onge)
- KM CONFERENCE UPDATE: KM World and Intranets Conference 2008 (Jane Dysart)

The KMPro Journal is available for download by members and non-members at:
http://kmpro.org/static.php?file=journal.htm


Dr. Dan Kirsch, CPC, CKM®, MKMP™, CKMI®
KMPro Chief Operating Officer & Board Member
Email: COO@...
http://KMPro.org
01-757-460-6500

Dr. Dan Kirsch, CPC, CKM, MKMP, CKMI®
KMPro Chief Operating Officer & Board Member
http://KMPro.org
01-757-460-6500

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi Daniel and Dave,

Daniel: Thank you for your woderful story.... But I am sorry I disagree with you, I was frank but no less tactful. I am aware that people are most important in any endevour including KM and I have never denied this.

Daniel and Dave: I had said and clarified already it was not my intention to put anyone down and if you read my first posting I was clear that I wanted to be frank, I used the word "blunt" and I also said and I quote: "I am so sorry to be correcting your English and as a first post here I may be misinterpreted as being a snob but I assure you that is not me and neither is my intention to shed light on other people's mistakes."

Now if that is not clear enough I don't know what is!

I am also aware of this being a public space and I know what is the difference between public and private emailings. To suggest otherwise is a cruel insult. In fact if you read my email carefully, Dave, you will see, as evidenced by the quote above, it is my awareness of such a public space that I have tactfully prefaced my correcting of Aaron's English with apologies and explanations not scorn or ad hominems and put it in the context of learning for all. And my response to Aaron's "generousity" was also generous as I mentioned quite clearly that I admired and share his attitude with regards to language learning!!!  In fact, Aaron himself took it positively. So please, again, don't jump into conclusions about me. All of the responses attacking me have been accounted for and found wanting! Are KMers here into witch-hunts? (And please.... that is a rhetorical question, not a suicidal attack against anyone here!)

Regards,

Jack