I agree the price will come down gradually.  After all before Jinfinance
entered the fray Cameraquest was (and still is I think) charging $150 and up for
Leica and Canon FD adapters. It is a question of whether you want to start using
your legacy lenses now or wait  awhile to save a few dollars.  The photos on
the Flickr site are great and certainly demonstrate the usability of the Micro
4/3rds legacy lens combination.   So far I am very pleased with the test shots
I have taken with one lens as well.

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...> wrote:

From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...>
Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 micro
4/3rds camera
To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, November 13, 2009, 5:57 AM







 









       --- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@... > wrote:

>

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>

> There are three companies on the Bay selling the adapter made by
Jinfinance.  One located in Hong Kong is selling it for $70 US the cheapest I
have seen so far.  I paid over $90 from Jinfinance.

>

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I suspect that the price will come down as more makers enter the market.  The
standard 4/3 adapters are all at about $30 or less and do much the same thing,
although they use less material being smaller.  I think this price has a lot of
air in it.



Delivery is usually reliable from these suppliers, but is not trackable so
occasionally things vanish.  It takes 10-15 business days usually.



In another group, CanonFD, I found a link to some photos (not mine) that show
what you can do with legacy optics on the micro 4/3.  Check it out:

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--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, DB <alco1ca@...> wrote:
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...
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> There are three companies on the Bay selling the adapter made by Jinfinance. 
One located in Hong Kong is selling it for $70 US the cheapest I have seen so
far.  I paid over $90 from Jinfinance.
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I suspect that the price will come down as more makers enter the market.  The
standard 4/3 adapters are all at about $30 or less and do much the same thing,
although they use less material being smaller.  I think this price has a lot of
air in it.

Delivery is usually reliable from these suppliers, but is not trackable so
occasionally things vanish.  It takes 10-15 business days usually.

In another group, CanonFD, I found a link to some photos (not mine) that show
what you can do with legacy optics on the micro 4/3.  Check it out:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ballfresno/sets/72157614995573055/

Hi Philip,

I chose the G1 over the GF1 for the following reasons. The G1 has a built in
flash (not that crucial) and a built in live viewfinder.  To get the live
viewfinder with the GF1 you must buy an add on which is costly and kind of
defeats the slim-line profile of the camera.  Also as I want to use
larger/heavier legacy lenses such as Hexanons the larger grip on the G1 is an
advantage. What the G1 lacks is movie mode.  The GH1 is a G1 with movie mode
but is a lot more expensive.

You also might want to check out the new Oly EP2 which has an add on live
viewfinder like the GF1 and which comes with the EP2 kit.  The EP1 did not have
a live viewfinder option.  The Olympus cameras also  have the advantage of in
body stabilization anti-shake rather than in lens as with the Panasonics. 

There are three companies on the Bay selling the adapter made by Jinfinance. 
One located in Hong Kong is selling it for $70 US the cheapest I have seen so
far.  I paid over $90 from Jinfinance.

Hope this helps,
Doug

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Philip Storvik <pstorvik@...> wrote:

From: Philip Storvik <pstorvik@...>
Subject: Re: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Received: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:42 PM







 









       Check out the new GF1... I think I'm sold. Where did you get the Hexanon
to 4/3 rds adapter?



Philip Storvik

philip@storvik. us

  Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.



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From: johnruss40 <johnruss40@ntlworld .com>

To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 11:27:57 AM

Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 micro
4/3rds camera



Hi Doug



So you've managed to activate the shoot w/o lens function. I've been playing
with this adaptor as well and I don't think there is a focus confirmation beep
facility. You can magnify a bit of the image easily through the menu cluster of
buttons. Press the left hand one, then the middle one to confirm,then focus.
Touch the shutter release to get back to full screen. I'm going to try my 55mm
macro next.



Greetings from the UK



John



--- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@... > wrote:

>

> So far I have only used the Hex 43mm f1.8 as I figured it would balance nicely
with the G1.

> I have been going through the manual as I shoot a few test pics indoors to
find out which features will work in manual mode with the adapter.  The
viewfinder works very well with the adapter/konica AR combination. I tend to use
the screen mainly to review pics I have taken, preferring the viewfinder for
picture taking. You use the exposure compensation scale to determine when the
exposure is correct. The scale is visible in the viewfinder which is reasonably
bright even with the lens stopped down. I have been using my Pentax DSLR's for
the most part lately so getting used to manually bringing the scene into focus
takes some getting used to. I am trying to figure out if there is a focus
confirmation light or beep that will work in manual mode as it does with the
Pentax cameras since there is no split screen focus aid.  I think there should
be a magnification focus aid which will magnify a portion of the scene in the 
viewfinder but haven't figured

  out

>  how or whether this will work in manual mode. I have not had the camera very
long  Once I get comfortable using the adapter/G1 combo I will try it with
various lenses and provide you all with more impressions.

>

> Doug

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@ ...> wrote:

>

> From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@ ...>

> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera

> To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com

> Received: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:27 PM

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Check out the new GF1... I think I'm sold. Where did you get the Hexanon to 4/3
rds adapter?

Philip Storvik
philip@...
  Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.




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From: johnruss40 <johnruss40@...>
To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 11:27:57 AM
Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 micro
4/3rds camera


Hi Doug

So you've managed to activate the shoot w/o lens function. I've been playing
with this adaptor as well and I don't think there is a focus confirmation beep
facility. You can magnify a bit of the image easily through the menu cluster of
buttons. Press the left hand one, then the middle one to confirm,then focus.
Touch the shutter release to get back to full screen. I'm going to try my 55mm
macro next.

Greetings from the UK

John

--- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@... > wrote:
>
> So far I have only used the Hex 43mm f1.8 as I figured it would balance nicely
with the G1.
> I have been going through the manual as I shoot a few test pics indoors to
find out which features will work in manual mode with the adapter.  The
viewfinder works very well with the adapter/konica AR combination. I tend to use
the screen mainly to review pics I have taken, preferring the viewfinder for
picture taking. You use the exposure compensation scale to determine when the
exposure is correct. The scale is visible in the viewfinder which is reasonably
bright even with the lens stopped down. I have been using my Pentax DSLR's for
the most part lately so getting used to manually bringing the scene into focus
takes some getting used to. I am trying to figure out if there is a focus
confirmation light or beep that will work in manual mode as it does with the
Pentax cameras since there is no split screen focus aid.  I think there should
be a magnification focus aid which will magnify a portion of the scene in the 
viewfinder but haven't figured
  out
>  how or whether this will work in manual mode. I have not had the camera very
long  Once I get comfortable using the adapter/G1 combo I will try it with
various lenses and provide you all with more impressions.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@ ...>
> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
> To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com
> Received: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:27 PM
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change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
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micro 4/3rds camera
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Hi Doug

So you've managed to activate the shoot w/o lens function. I've been playing
with this adaptor as well and I don't think there is a focus confirmation beep
facility. You can magnify a bit of the image easily through the menu cluster of
buttons. Press the left hand one, then the middle one to confirm,then focus.
Touch the shutter release to get back to full screen. I'm going to try my 55mm
macro next.

Greetings from the UK

John

--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, DB <alco1ca@...> wrote:
>
> So far I have only used the Hex 43mm f1.8 as I figured it would balance nicely
with the G1.
> I have been going through the manual as I shoot a few test pics indoors to
find out which features will work in manual mode with the adapter.  The
viewfinder works very well with the adapter/konica AR combination. I tend to use
the screen mainly to review pics I have taken, preferring the viewfinder for
picture taking. You use the exposure compensation scale to determine when the
exposure is correct. The scale is visible in the viewfinder which is reasonably
bright even with the lens stopped down. I have been using my Pentax DSLR's for
the most part lately so getting used to manually bringing the scene into focus
takes some getting used to. I am trying to figure out if there is a focus
confirmation light or beep that will work in manual mode as it does with the
Pentax cameras since there is no split screen focus aid.  I think there should
be a magnification focus aid which will magnify a portion of the scene in the 
viewfinder but haven't figured out
>  how or whether this will work in manual mode. I have not had the camera very
long  Once I get comfortable using the adapter/G1 combo I will try it with
various lenses and provide you all with more impressions.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...> wrote:
>
> From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...>
> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
> To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:27 PM
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the image stabilization in camera?  How is it shooting using only the screen? 
All eyes are on you....  :-)
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> --- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@ > wrote:
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> > After I got your first post regarding the info that I would probably have to
change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
without lens option". I turned it on and you know the rest.
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> > Many thanks,
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> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, JJG <Lemotjuste@ ...> wrote:
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> > Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
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>>>I am in no hurry, I will wait until I see the camera I want.  Rumours abound
that several others are about to jump into the m4/3 market.


--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, Fred Mccaslin <fcmccaslin@...> wrote:
>
> I would hate to think of using the Oly E-P1 at a ball game--without an EVF, it
would be tough using the LCD with manual lenses for any kind of action.  I see
Oly has now announced the E-P2, however, complete with add-on EVF (shades of
Panasonic).  It maintains body IS and adds AF tracking with appropriate
lenses.  Looks to run about $1100 with the  viewfinder and 14-42 Olympus
zoom.  If this price is correct, it would be priced lower than the Panasonic
GF1 that runs at least $1500 with 14-45 zoom and add-on EVF.  Quality aside,
that seems to be quite a price differential.  Other than the ability to adapt
vintage lenses, good looks, and the compact size and quietness of the micro 4/3
machines, these little gems just don't have much appeal for me.  Advanced point
and shoot cameras have great zooms, IS, and good IQ in compact bodies--the
Micro 4/3 cameras would outshine them with faster lenses and at high ISO, but
I'm not sure where else--once
>  you put larger lenses on them, they aren't compact anymore.  Compactness
and quietness aside, most DSLRs have better IQ, speed, and system
capability.  To me, the Micro 4/3 cameras seem to be a compromise between
advanced point and shoot cameras and DSLRs, overcoming some of the
disadvantages of each, but not matching the greatest advantages of either.  So
it's clear why these little beauties appeal to Hexanon users, but not so clear
to me who else would prefer micro 4/3 to highly versatile point and shoot
cameras, or larger, more capable DSLRs, especially considering their cost.  I
guess I'm so used to packing a DSLR with three and four pound zooms attached,
that I can't relate anymore.  Cost aside, it would be fun to own one and try to
find the answer to these questions!
>
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> ________________________________
> From: JJG <Lemotjuste@...>
> To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 7:27:47 AM
> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: I realize this probably horrifies some of you
>
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> The other important advantage of the older, "regular" 4/3 mount on Olympus
cameras is the in-body image stabilization. When you're shooting sports with an
equiv 400mm legacy lens, the extra 2-4 EV this gets you (depending on who you
talk to) makes all the difference. Of the micro 4/3 cameras, I believe only the
Oly EP-1 has it. I wouldn't use it however, because I can't see myself shooting
without true optical viewfinder. Still waiting...
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See other 28/1.8s:
390050501752  $1020
280343507602  $1020
390050501519   $970
390050514368   $860
280343507329   $770



--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, "JJG" <Lemotjuste@...> wrote:
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> Check this out: 360206747317
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Yep,

Thier email is still in the members file ...

--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, Philip Storvik <pstorvik@...> wrote:
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> seller 148888 seems awfully familiar......
>
> Philip Storvik
> philip@...
>  Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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> From: fotobiblios <fotobiblios@...>
> To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 2:16:17 AM
> Subject: [konicaslr] F
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> There's a case for the Konica F on 'bay - 170405494874 -- says will be selling
an 'F' soon -- looks quite a good example, not been one for a while, I think.
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I think I may have actually purchased something from that seller.  I'll have to
dig through old e-mails and see if I can find out.

--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, "JJG" <Lemotjuste@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I think so too. This person beat me at several auctions over the past
couple of years. Does anyone know if this person a member of this list? :)
>
>
> --- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, Philip Storvik <pstorvik@> wrote:
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> > To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 2:16:17 AM
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> > There's a case for the Konica F on 'bay - 170405494874 -- says will be
selling an 'F' soon -- looks quite a good example, not been one for a while, I
think.
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This 28mm F1.8 is sometimes sold by the dude in LA who gloms on to all the rare
lenses on eBay.  At any point in time he has 2-3 listed.  Pricing is about
double to triple what I think they are worth, but he seems to have some
turnover.  One way to do it.

I was fortunate in picking one up a while ago, the pawn shop thought they were
raping me.  They had no idea.  Sometimes you gotta jump on a deal.

--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, "JJG" <Lemotjuste@...> wrote:
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> Check this out: 360206747317
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I think the key with this combination of a micro 4/3rds and a Hexanon is to use
the auto everything lenses in the normal and wide angle ranges and the Hexanons
in the long focus range.  For example an 85mm, 135mm and 200mm Hexanon would be
about right, I don't think I would use anything shorter then a 50mm though......
I think much over 400mm would be overkill.....


  The Wogster
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>From: DB <alco1ca@...>
>To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:27:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
>
>  >
>>
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>So far I have only used the Hex 43mm f1.8 as I figured it would balance nicely
with the G1.
>>I have been going through the manual as I shoot a few test pics indoors to
find out which features will work in manual mode with the adapter.  The
viewfinder works very well with the adapter/konica AR combination. I tend to use
the screen mainly to review pics I have taken, preferring the viewfinder for
picture taking. You use the exposure compensation scale to determine when the
exposure is correct. The scale is visible in the viewfinder which is reasonably
bright even with the lens stopped down. I have been using my Pentax DSLR's for
the most part lately so getting used to manually bringing the scene into focus
takes some getting used to. I am trying to figure out if there is a focus
confirmation light or beep that will work in manual mode as it does with the
Pentax cameras since there is no split screen focus aid.  I think there should
be a magnification focus aid which will magnify a portion of the scene in the 
viewfinder but haven't figured out
>> how or whether this will work in manual mode. I have not had the camera very
long  Once I get comfortable using the adapter/G1 combo I will try it with
various lenses and provide you all with more impressions.
>
>>Doug
>
>>--- On Tue, 11/10/09, slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@ yahoo.com>
>>Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
>>To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com
>>Received: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:27 PM
>
>>
>
>>Well, don't leave us hanging, how are the pics?  What lens?  Do you miss the
image stabilization in camera?  How is it shooting using only the screen?  All
eyes are on you....  :-)
>
>>--- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@... > wrote:
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change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
without lens option". I turned it on and you know the rest.
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>>> Many thanks,
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has a custom menu where you need to enable the *Shooting without lens* option.
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Hi Philip,
The viewfinder works just fine with the adapter/Hex lens combo.
Doug

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Philip Storvik <pstorvik@...> wrote:

From: Philip Storvik <pstorvik@...>
Subject: Re: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:57 AM







 









       Why would one be shooting using only the screen again? Is the viewfinder
disabled with the manual lens?



Philip Storvik

philip@storvik. us

  Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.



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From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@ yahoo.com>

To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:27:47 PM

Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 micro
4/3rds camera



Well, don't leave us hanging, how are the pics?  What lens?  Do you miss the
image stabilization in camera?  How is it shooting using only the screen?  All
eyes are on you....  :-)



--- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@... > wrote:

>

> jj,

>

> After I got your first post regarding the info that I would probably have to
change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
without lens option". I turned it on and you know the rest.

>

> Many thanks,

> Doug

>

> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, JJG <Lemotjuste@ ...> wrote:

>

> From: JJG <Lemotjuste@ ...>

> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera

> To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com

> Received: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:45 PM

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So far I have only used the Hex 43mm f1.8 as I figured it would balance nicely
with the G1.
I have been going through the manual as I shoot a few test pics indoors to find
out which features will work in manual mode with the adapter.  The viewfinder
works very well with the adapter/konica AR combination. I tend to use the screen
mainly to review pics I have taken, preferring the viewfinder for picture
taking. You use the exposure compensation scale to determine when the exposure
is correct. The scale is visible in the viewfinder which is reasonably bright
even with the lens stopped down. I have been using my Pentax DSLR's for the most
part lately so getting used to manually bringing the scene into focus takes some
getting used to. I am trying to figure out if there is a focus confirmation
light or beep that will work in manual mode as it does with the Pentax cameras
since there is no split screen focus aid.  I think there should be a
magnification focus aid which will magnify a portion of the scene in the 
viewfinder but haven't figured out
  how or whether this will work in manual mode. I have not had the camera very
long  Once I get comfortable using the adapter/G1 combo I will try it with
various lenses and provide you all with more impressions.

Doug



--- On Tue, 11/10/09, slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...> wrote:

From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...>
Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 micro
4/3rds camera
To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:27 PM







 









       Well, don't leave us hanging, how are the pics?  What lens?  Do you miss
the image stabilization in camera?  How is it shooting using only the screen? 
All eyes are on you....  :-)



--- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@... > wrote:

>

> jj,

>

> After I got your first post regarding the info that I would probably have to
change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
without lens option". I turned it on and you know the rest.

>

> Many thanks,

> Doug

>

> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, JJG <Lemotjuste@ ...> wrote:

>

> From: JJG <Lemotjuste@ ...>

> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera

> To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com

> Received: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:45 PM

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Yes, I think so too. This person beat me at several auctions over the past
couple of years. Does anyone know if this person a member of this list? :)


--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, Philip Storvik <pstorvik@...> wrote:
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> seller 148888 seems awfully familiar......
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> Philip Storvik
> philip@...
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> From: fotobiblios <fotobiblios@...>
> To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 2:16:17 AM
> Subject: [konicaslr] F
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> There's a case for the Konica F on 'bay - 170405494874 -- says will be selling
an 'F' soon -- looks quite a good example, not been one for a while, I think.
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seller 148888 seems awfully familiar......

Philip Storvik
philip@...
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To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 2:16:17 AM
Subject: [konicaslr] F


There's a case for the Konica F on 'bay - 170405494874 -- says will be selling
an 'F' soon -- looks quite a good example, not been one for a while, I think.

danny




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Why would one be shooting using only the screen again? Is the viewfinder
disabled with the manual lens?

Philip Storvik
philip@...
  Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.




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From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...>
To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:27:47 PM
Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 micro
4/3rds camera


Well, don't leave us hanging, how are the pics?  What lens?  Do you miss the
image stabilization in camera?  How is it shooting using only the screen?  All
eyes are on you....  :-)

--- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, DB <alco1ca@... > wrote:
>
> jj,
>
> After I got your first post regarding the info that I would probably have to
change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
without lens option". I turned it on and you know the rest.
>
> Many thanks,
> Doug
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, JJG <Lemotjuste@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: JJG <Lemotjuste@ ...>
> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
> To: konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com
> Received: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:45 PM
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I'd be tempted to sell mine at that price.
BF

--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, "JJG" <Lemotjuste@...> wrote:
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> Check this out: 360206747317
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Hi Fred,

Oh, how I wish I had. I wonder what such a thing would be worth if it ever came
up on Ebay. But for my purposes, I found the next best thing: A brochure with a
nice big photo of the beast. Has anyone here ever seen a 58-400mm in real life?

cheers,

jj (in Warsaw)



--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, Fred Mccaslin <fcmccaslin@...> wrote:
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> To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
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There's a case for the Konica F on 'bay - 170405494874 -- says will be selling
an 'F' soon -- looks quite a good example, not been one for a while, I think.

danny

Well, I guess it's only larceny if someone buys it!

130341930384

FM

I thought for a moment there you had found a Hexanon 58-400!

FM




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Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 7:22:19 PM
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Well, don't leave us hanging, how are the pics?  What lens?  Do you miss the
image stabilization in camera?  How is it shooting using only the screen?  All
eyes are on you....  :-)

--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, DB <alco1ca@...> wrote:
>
> jj,
>
> After I got your first post regarding the info that I would probably have to
change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
without lens option". I turned it on and you know the rest.
>
> Many thanks,
> Doug
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, JJG <Lemotjuste@...> wrote:
>
> From: JJG <Lemotjuste@...>
> Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1
micro 4/3rds camera
> To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:45 PM
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has a custom menu where you need to enable the *Shooting without lens* option.
The default factory setting for this if OFF. Good luck.
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Check this out: 360206747317

jj,

After I got your first post regarding the info that I would probably have to
change a setting I searched through the Custom Menu and found the "shooting
without lens option". I turned it on and you know the rest.

Many thanks,
Doug

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, JJG <Lemotjuste@...> wrote:

From: JJG <Lemotjuste@...>
Subject: [konicaslr] Re: jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 micro
4/3rds camera
To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:45 PM







 









       Doug, I just did some more digging on the subject and it seems the G1 has
a custom menu where you need to enable the *Shooting without lens* option. The
default factory setting for this if OFF. Good luck.



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Doug, I just did some more digging on the subject and it seems the G1 has a
custom menu where you need to enable the *Shooting without lens* option. The
default factory setting for this if OFF. Good luck.

jj (in Warsaw)

Hi Doug,

Right off the bat, let me say I don't have a G1 or the K/AR adapter for it, but
from what I was able to read here and there, it seems to me your problem might
be that your camera doesn't *realize* it has a legacy lens on it.

Modern cameras communicate with the lenses mounted on them by means of contacts
on the lens mounting plate. These contacts convey all sort of info back and
forth, such as focal length, aperture setting, image stabilization info, etc.
When you use a lens (or adapter) that has no contacts, the camera acts as if
there was no lens on, hence the Defcon 3 alarm.

There is a place in the menu where you can *tell* your camera you are using a
manual focus (MF) lens. I am not referring to the M mode setting, which only
turns the camera's automatic modes off, but a setting in the menu itself. If I
am not mistaken, this setting should turn off all the lens related electronic
circuits and let you use MF lenses.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

cheers,

jj (in Warsaw)



--- In konicaslr@yahoogroups.com, "alco1ca" <alco1ca@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hopefully someone can help.  I just received the micro 4/3rds adapter and
tried it with my G1 camera. It does not work (won't allow me to take a picture)
When I place the adapter on the camera with or without a lens attached it seems
to fit fine but I get a message on the camera viewfinder saying "please check to
make sure the lens is attached correctly" I have tried following the suggestions
in the camera manual for when this message appears to no avail.
>
> Is there a simple solution involving one of the camera's settings?  Has anyone
else had this issue?  Any ideas as to what I should try.  I have sent an email
to the seller outlining the problem. I cannot find any reference on the web to
this problem.
>
> Help!
>
> Doug
>

Yes. I set the mode dial to M and the focus dial to MF to no avail.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Scott Ditzel <screaminscott@...> wrote:

> From: Scott Ditzel <screaminscott@...>
> Subject: Re: [konicaslr] jinfinance adapter konica AR lens to Panasonic G1 
micro 4/3rds camera
> To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:46 PM
> Do you have to use "manual" 
> mode when using the adapter?
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM, alco1ca <alco1ca@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Hopefully someone can help. I just received the micro
> 4/3rds adapter and
> > tried it with my G1 camera. It does not work (won't
> allow me to take a
> > picture) When I place the adapter on the camera with
> or without a lens
> > attached it seems to fit fine but I get a message on
> the camera viewfinder
> > saying "please check to make sure the lens is attached
> correctly" I have
> > tried following the suggestions in the camera manual
> for when this message
> > appears to no avail.
> >
> > Is there a simple solution involving one of the
> camera's settings? Has
> > anyone else had this issue? Any ideas as to what I
> should try. I have sent
> > an email to the seller outlining the problem. I cannot
> find any reference on
> > the web to this problem.
> >
> > Help!
> >
> > Doug
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Do you have to use "manual"  mode when using the adapter?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM, alco1ca <alco1ca@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hopefully someone can help. I just received the micro 4/3rds adapter and
> tried it with my G1 camera. It does not work (won't allow me to take a
> picture) When I place the adapter on the camera with or without a lens
> attached it seems to fit fine but I get a message on the camera viewfinder
> saying "please check to make sure the lens is attached correctly" I have
> tried following the suggestions in the camera manual for when this message
> appears to no avail.
>
> Is there a simple solution involving one of the camera's settings? Has
> anyone else had this issue? Any ideas as to what I should try. I have sent
> an email to the seller outlining the problem. I cannot find any reference on
> the web to this problem.
>
> Help!
>
> Doug
>
>
>



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Hi all,

Hopefully someone can help.  I just received the micro 4/3rds adapter and tried
it with my G1 camera. It does not work (won't allow me to take a picture) When I
place the adapter on the camera with or without a lens attached it seems to fit
fine but I get a message on the camera viewfinder saying "please check to make
sure the lens is attached correctly" I have tried following the suggestions in
the camera manual for when this message appears to no avail.

Is there a simple solution involving one of the camera's settings?  Has anyone
else had this issue?  Any ideas as to what I should try.  I have sent an email
to the seller outlining the problem. I cannot find any reference on the web to
this problem.

Help!

Doug

I don't know if under normal circumstances the lack of an optical viewfinder
(OVF)  is a deal breaker on these cameras.  Might be useful for focusing, but a
focus confirmation or zoom in the EVF might be just as useful.  Considering that
few modern cameras are intended for manual focus, they don't have the optical
focusing aids like split ring / diaprisms either, so focusing isn't easy with
OVFs either.

  The thinness of these bodies is what allows them to be used with our old
Hexanon lenses, which have some huge bebefits with these cameras.

1) A 135mm f/2,5 Hexanon becomes equivilent to a a 270mm f/2.5 lens, and a 200mm
f/3.5 Hexanon becomes equivilent to a 400mm f/3.5 lens.  The effective length
doubles, but the speed is not affected.  Try finding a 400mm f/3.5 lens for a
Nikon D series, man, you would need to take out a second mortgage to pay for
that baby, which would probably outweight a Hexanon 1000mm.

2) Lenses in these equivilent lengths are going to be rarely used, so the fact
that they are already 30 years old, and require tricky manual focusing isn't
going to be as big an issue as with a standard lens that gets used all the time.

I personally don't think that 10 years from now the SLR will still be made.

  The Wogster
Blog: http://clickandspin.blogspot.com


>
>From: slowhands95128 <slowhands95128@...>
>To: konicaslr@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:32:19 PM
>Subject: [konicaslr] Re: I realize this probably horrifies some of you
>
>  >
>>
>
>As JJ commented, Image stabilization seems to be present only in the Olympus
EP1 body so far.  Panasonic has it in their lenses.  I dunno why.  I want to
wait a while before getting one of these.  I try not to buy the first model of
any new technology.
>
>>The way they make these small is by leaving out the optical viewfinder and
shortening the register distance.  All those mirrors and prisms are simply gone,
and the camera is thinner.
>
>>But you must use live view for seeing the image.  Over time, this could be a
winning technology, still.  You get very good image quality in a true shirt
pocket size if you use a pancake lens.  People do rave about the faster
operation compared to point and shoots, and they like the Oly in camera JPEG
processing for its color rendition.  For me this technology is on a wait and see
list, no doubt version 2 from Oly will be better still etc.
>
>>I just gave a buddy an older Olympus 4/3 digital body with lens adapters for
his pile of Pentax and Minolta manual focus lenses.  He is delighted to be able
to use his old treasured lenses but go digital.
>
>>There are other cameras that allow this, but Oly is my pick.  The later models
with image stabilization in body make this a real win using the classic Hexanon
glass [obligatory Konica mention :-].
>
>>--- In konicaslr@yahoogrou ps.com, "JJG" <Lemotjuste@ ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> The other important advantage of the older, "regular" 4/3 mount on Olympus
cameras is the in-body image stabilization. When you're shooting sports with an
equiv 400mm legacy lens, the extra 2-4 EV this gets you (depending on who you
talk to) makes all the difference. Of the micro 4/3 cameras, I believe only the
Oly EP-1 has it. I wouldn't use it however, because I can't see myself shooting
without true optical viewfinder. Still waiting...
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> jj (in Warsaw)
>>>
>
>
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