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Re: Higgs Particle - density in the Universe

Third time lucky !! Your reasoning seems sound to me Ed, BUT
The only factor I think you need to consider is that gravity is many
many billions of times weaker than any of the other three forces and
would have a completely negligible effect at these distances where
the other forces are enormous ( look what you get when you split an
atom - never mind a nucleon. If they were evenly spread even with a
stronger gravitational force ,the force would cancel . You woul need
to rely on BIG BANG quantum fluctuations to get any clumping at all
and even then the other forces would overwhelm it. The reason this
doesn't happen with matter is that at normal distances the universe
is largely neutral because the negative charge on electrons masks the
positive charge on the protons exactly. hope this helps Any other
ideas ?
--- In kscibar@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Pearce" <edpearceuk@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dr Brian Cox explained that the Higgs particle maybe responsible for
> Mass. The theory was that different fundamental particles, as they
> moved through the Higgs field, interacted with it to a greater or
lesser
> extent - and this was what gave rise to the perception of mass.
>
>
> Now if that's true I guess this would mean that Higgs particles must
> be distributed evenly throughout the Universe. If they were not
then
> Mass would vary in different parts of the Universe.
>
>
> However, the Higgs particle itself has Mass. Therefore it should be
> gravitationally attracted the centres of high Mass (galaxies, stars,
> etc). This would mean it's not distributed evenly throughout the
> Universe.
>
>
> Alternatively maybe another force overcomes gravity and keeps them
> evenly spaced. I assume this would have to be the Strong force. But
> then the Higgs particles would have to be very close together and we
> would have a massive density of Higgs particles filling the
Universe.
>
>
> Can anyone comment on these musings?
>







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Dr Brian Cox explained that the Higgs particle maybe responsible for Mass. The theory was that different fundamental particles, as they moved through the...
Ed Pearce
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Oct 4, 2006
8:11 pm

Third time lucky !! Your reasoning seems sound to me Ed, BUT The only factor I think you need to consider is that gravity is many many billions of times weaker...
tdtuk2002
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Oct 5, 2006
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Ah - but if we exclude the electromagnetic force (which I think we can) then the force that could constrain the Higgs particle would be either the weak or...
Ed Pearce
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Oct 5, 2006
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I'm not sure we can ignore the electromagnetic field ,(although the Higgs process works on charged and neutral particles) as its only averagely neutral...
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Oct 6, 2006
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I have done a bit more reading and would like to add to my previous post on the Higgs Field (and also to see if I get success in the posting this time). My...
Mel Earp
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Oct 6, 2006
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Just a thought from the blue -- when Einstein said that Energy distorts Space time did he really mean distorts the Higgs field. Does matter exist merely as...
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Oct 6, 2006
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Just a thought from the blue -- when Einstein said that Energy distorts Space time did he really mean distorts the Higgs field. Well , yes, possibly, that has...
Mel Earp
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I must admit to being a little bit disappointed that we didn't get on to the higher dimensions in Prof Nige Ray's talk, especially since the very next talk...
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