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someone (posibly Dan) mentioned someone wrote up some form letters for meeting
announcements, and other types of LUG related events. Did i imagine this? if not
where can the forms be found? thanks

--
Chris Scheller
http://www.pobox.com/~schelcj/

Chris Scheller wrote:
> someone (posibly Dan) mentioned someone wrote up some form letters for meeting
> announcements, and other types of LUG related events. Did i imagine this? if
not
> where can the forms be found?

The announcement page was identical to the announcement email.
I always just used the previous month's as a template, e.g.
http://lula.org/event_notes/2002-05/index.html

I don't think anyone ever put together anything more general.
- Dan

hi,

i'd like to point out that tonight it's again time
for the great Dr K Linux show.

tune your realplayer to
http://pub.us.mandrakesoft.com:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm
at 7pm pacific for the live broadcast.


i'd also like to invite everyone to join me on irc
on irc.openprojects.net on channel #lalugs
during the show to chat and comment the show as we watch...

lets give Dr K some feedback...


if you missed the show, then you'll find the archived broadcast
on www.lpbn.org soon after the end of the live broadcast.


greetings, martin.
ps(0): you may forward this to lug lists as you see fit...
ps(1): i have no relation to the Dr K Linux show other than maybe
being the most distant viewer, and the only one crazy enough to
stay up until 5am just to see the show live :-)
ps(2): ismet, i hope you don't mind me doing this announcement
ps(3): would anyone like to see announcements like this on a regular basis?
--
looking for a job anywhere in the world, doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium
/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration.
--
pike programmer     open-steam.org     (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at
unix                (iaeste|bahai).or.at                   iaeste.tuwien.ac.at
systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org        is.(schon.org|root.at)
Martin B"ahr        http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

Sorry - had to go to a summer re-run for this evening. Will be back live
next week.

Ismet

  ps(0): you may forward this to lug lists as you see fit...
> ps(1): i have no relation to the Dr K Linux show other than maybe
> being the most distant viewer, and the only one crazy enough to
> stay up until 5am just to see the show live :-)
> ps(2): ismet, i hope you don't mind me doing this announcement
> ps(3): would anyone like to see announcements like this on a regular basis?
>

Greetings everyone,
I wanted to inform everyone that the USCLUG, UCLALUG, and SCLUGs have
teamed up to bring a Linux expo to Southern California.  More
information on the event can be found at http://www.socallinuxexpo.com.

What this means for the various LA LUGs.  As the vendor/booth chair I
am inviting every LUG to attend and present themselves.  Let people
know about their LUG, etc.  Booth space will be provided for each LUG
that wants to partake in this.  Additionally we're encouraging LUGs to
demonstration particular applications that they feel are worth seeing
but may not get much attention.

What we ask from the LUGs that wish to participate.  Please email me
(gareth@...) stating that your LUG wishes to participate, who
from the LUG will be manning the booth and any applications you'll be
showing off.  Not to rush things but the sooner the better.

Please feel free to pass this along to respective LUG mailing lists.


						 Gareth J. Greenaway
						 SCLUG

--
"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

----- Forwarded message from Jack Denman <cashmere@...> -----

From: Jack Denman <cashmere@...>
To: gareth@...
Subject: Please forward this
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:06:58 -0700

Gareth,

I am sending you a message that I sent to the Orange County Linux Users Group.

Would you please forward this message to the LA group. I think that we have
something to contribute to the advancement to Linux among the desktop
corporate users and some momey that they can save.

********************************************************************************\
***********************
I want to introduce myself to the group. I attended your last meeting. I
received a warm welcome from those I spoke with. I will be there (God
willing) for your next meeting.

I am teaching the Linux Internship class at TechConsults in Irvine. The school
is an extension of Cal-Poly University The training center prepares people
for certification in Oracle, Java and others.

http://www.techconsults.net/

We are planning training for Linux Certifications and an outsource
organization to migrate corporations and other large IT departments from
Windows to Linux. We feel that the time is right for Linux to come to the
desktop. The tiered services we are planning to offer are:

1.Migration to Linux including the data
2.Training and certifications
3.System Maintenance

I spoke with the head IT person at the City of Garden Grove this last week.
They switched to Linux in 1995 and never looked back. An outside vendor had
given them a quote to convert the police station to an all windows platform
for one million dollars. The city rejected the bid and they installed Linux
for 300,000 and most of that was for the wiring.

People from LUG are using open office as a rule. This may be the way to go for
them, but 100% compliance with MS Office would have a better appeal to
corporations who are addicted to Windows. We are evaluating Star Office 6.0
to see how much compliance there is on this release. SUN has made the claim
that it is fully compliant. The people at SuSe have told me that they are NOT
going to enforce the license. The City of Garden Grove aggrees with us on
this matter, the compliance with MS Office, at least for the present.

We believe with good reason that Windows requires a larger IT staff than
Linux. We do not have the hard evidence to present to prospective clients. My
job this last week was to obtain comparative cost savings using Linux. The
data is simply not available.

In order to get clients and to establish a good reputation, along with a
better system, we are prepared to:

1.Migrate the first customers at no cost of the labor or a money back
guarantee if the customer is satisfied
2.Give seminars on Linux and the benefits of stability, lower cost and higher
security to the customers.

Right now we are looking for potential customers. The time has never been
better for a better system than Windows.

Sincerely;
Jack Denman


----- End forwarded message -----

--
"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

Hi Jack,
LULA would probably enjoy a presentation from you.  Maybe you could
give a case study of a windows-to-linux migration you've been involved
in?
Our web site is http://www.lula.org if you want to know more about us.

BTW, I run Linux internships, too.  Check out
http://www.kegel.com/academy/
Might be fun to compare notes.
- Dan

> I am teaching the Linux Internship class at TechConsults in Irvine. The school
> is an extension of Cal-Poly University The training center prepares people
> for certification in Oracle, Java and others.
>
> http://www.techconsults.net/
>
> We are planning training for Linux Certifications and an outsource
> organization to migrate corporations and other large IT departments from
> Windows to Linux. We feel that the time is right for Linux to come to the
> desktop. The tiered services we are planning to offer are:
>
> 1.Migration to Linux including the data
> 2.Training and certifications
> 3.System Maintenance
>
> I spoke with the head IT person at the City of Garden Grove this last week.
> They switched to Linux in 1995 and never looked back. An outside vendor had
> given them a quote to convert the police station to an all windows platform
> for one million dollars. The city rejected the bid and they installed Linux
> for 300,000 and most of that was for the wiring.
>
> People from LUG are using open office as a rule. This may be the way to go for
> them, but 100% compliance with MS Office would have a better appeal to
> corporations who are addicted to Windows. We are evaluating Star Office 6.0
> to see how much compliance there is on this release. SUN has made the claim
> that it is fully compliant. The people at SuSe have told me that they are NOT
> going to enforce the license. The City of Garden Grove aggrees with us on
> this matter, the compliance with MS Office, at least for the present.
>
> We believe with good reason that Windows requires a larger IT staff than
> Linux. We do not have the hard evidence to present to prospective clients. My
> job this last week was to obtain comparative cost savings using Linux. The
> data is simply not available.
>
> In order to get clients and to establish a good reputation, along with a
> better system, we are prepared to:
>
> 1.Migrate the first customers at no cost of the labor or a money back
> guarantee if the customer is satisfied
> 2.Give seminars on Linux and the benefits of stability, lower cost and higher
> security to the customers.
>
> Right now we are looking for potential customers. The time has never been
> better for a better system than Windows.
>
> Sincerely;
> Jack Denman
>

Got it.  BTW I'm working on a white paper on why
universities to start the switch; see
   http://kegel.com/linux/edu/
Once that's in place, I hope to try it out on UCLA and USC.

Would you be interested in doing a joint presentation
at, say, UCLA, aimed at coaxing them into supporting
Linux more widely?
- Dan

Jack Denman wrote:
> People have made the migration but TechConsults has yet to do one. Red Hat is
aiming for
> the desktop at years end. Since we already have a training center, we have
part of our
> business plan in place. We are getting some leads from various people. Right
now we are
> setting up a network, 3 workstations, mail server, database and Open Office,
Star
> Office6.0, and evolution. Walt, a lawyer and the head of the San Diego Linux
Users Group,
> wanted a network set up so that the press and other interested parties could
see how it
> works. The price of MS Office is 425 (each) and XP at 150 (each) for the
enterprise. We
> might not be able to replace all the windows  software right away but some
customers are
> going to save a lot of money. We need to get the word out and to have people
look at a
> working open source system that can do the work of windows at a much lower
cost.
>
> Jack Denman
>
> At 07:44 AM 9/4/2002, Dan Kegel wrote:
> >Hi Jack,
> >LULA would probably enjoy a presentation from you.  Maybe you could
> >give a case study of a windows-to-linux migration you've been involved
> >in?
> >Our web site is http://www.lula.org if you want to know more about us.
> >
> >BTW, I run Linux internships, too.  Check out
> >http://www.kegel.com/academy/
> >Might be fun to compare notes.
> >- Dan
> >
> > > I am teaching the Linux Internship class at TechConsults in Irvine. The
school
> > > is an extension of Cal-Poly University The training center prepares people
> > > for certification in Oracle, Java and others.
> > >
> > > http://www.techconsults.net/
> > >
> > > We are planning training for Linux Certifications and an outsource
> > > organization to migrate corporations and other large IT departments from
> > > Windows to Linux. We feel that the time is right for Linux to come to the
> > > desktop. The tiered services we are planning to offer are:
> > >
> > > 1.Migration to Linux including the data
> > > 2.Training and certifications
> > > 3.System Maintenance
> > >
> > > I spoke with the head IT person at the City of Garden Grove this last
week.
> > > They switched to Linux in 1995 and never looked back. An outside vendor
had
> > > given them a quote to convert the police station to an all windows
platform
> > > for one million dollars. The city rejected the bid and they installed
Linux
> > > for 300,000 and most of that was for the wiring.
> > >
> > > People from LUG are using open office as a rule. This may be the way to go
for
> > > them, but 100% compliance with MS Office would have a better appeal to
> > > corporations who are addicted to Windows. We are evaluating Star Office
6.0
> > > to see how much compliance there is on this release. SUN has made the
claim
> > > that it is fully compliant. The people at SuSe have told me that they are
NOT
> > > going to enforce the license. The City of Garden Grove aggrees with us on
> > > this matter, the compliance with MS Office, at least for the present.
> > >
> > > We believe with good reason that Windows requires a larger IT staff than
> > > Linux. We do not have the hard evidence to present to prospective clients.
My
> > > job this last week was to obtain comparative cost savings using Linux. The
> > > data is simply not available.
> > >
> > > In order to get clients and to establish a good reputation, along with a
> > > better system, we are prepared to:
> > >
> > > 1.Migrate the first customers at no cost of the labor or a money back
> > > guarantee if the customer is satisfied
> > > 2.Give seminars on Linux and the benefits of stability, lower cost and
higher
> > > security to the customers.
> > >
> > > Right now we are looking for potential customers. The time has never been
> > > better for a better system than Windows.

Pitch this to CSUN too. This semester they've switched a lab from 2000
to XP and the 2nd unix lab has been transformed to 2000.  We're down to
one un*x lab.


							 Gareth

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:29:57PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
> Got it.  BTW I'm working on a white paper on why
> universities to start the switch; see
>   http://kegel.com/linux/edu/
> Once that's in place, I hope to try it out on UCLA and USC.
>
> Would you be interested in doing a joint presentation
> at, say, UCLA, aimed at coaxing them into supporting
> Linux more widely?
> - Dan
>
> Jack Denman wrote:
> > People have made the migration but TechConsults has yet to do one. Red Hat
is aiming for
> > the desktop at years end. Since we already have a training center, we have
part of our
> > business plan in place. We are getting some leads from various people. Right
now we are
> > setting up a network, 3 workstations, mail server, database and Open Office,
Star
> > Office6.0, and evolution. Walt, a lawyer and the head of the San Diego Linux
Users Group,
> > wanted a network set up so that the press and other interested parties could
see how it
> > works. The price of MS Office is 425 (each) and XP at 150 (each) for the
enterprise. We
> > might not be able to replace all the windows  software right away but some
customers are
> > going to save a lot of money. We need to get the word out and to have people
look at a
> > working open source system that can do the work of windows at a much lower
cost.
> >
> > Jack Denman
> >
> > At 07:44 AM 9/4/2002, Dan Kegel wrote:
> > >Hi Jack,
> > >LULA would probably enjoy a presentation from you.  Maybe you could
> > >give a case study of a windows-to-linux migration you've been involved
> > >in?
> > >Our web site is http://www.lula.org if you want to know more about us.
> > >
> > >BTW, I run Linux internships, too.  Check out
> > >http://www.kegel.com/academy/
> > >Might be fun to compare notes.
> > >- Dan
> > >
> > > > I am teaching the Linux Internship class at TechConsults in Irvine. The
school
> > > > is an extension of Cal-Poly University The training center prepares
people
> > > > for certification in Oracle, Java and others.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.techconsults.net/
> > > >
> > > > We are planning training for Linux Certifications and an outsource
> > > > organization to migrate corporations and other large IT departments from
> > > > Windows to Linux. We feel that the time is right for Linux to come to
the
> > > > desktop. The tiered services we are planning to offer are:
> > > >
> > > > 1.Migration to Linux including the data
> > > > 2.Training and certifications
> > > > 3.System Maintenance
> > > >
> > > > I spoke with the head IT person at the City of Garden Grove this last
week.
> > > > They switched to Linux in 1995 and never looked back. An outside vendor
had
> > > > given them a quote to convert the police station to an all windows
platform
> > > > for one million dollars. The city rejected the bid and they installed
Linux
> > > > for 300,000 and most of that was for the wiring.
> > > >
> > > > People from LUG are using open office as a rule. This may be the way to
go for
> > > > them, but 100% compliance with MS Office would have a better appeal to
> > > > corporations who are addicted to Windows. We are evaluating Star Office
6.0
> > > > to see how much compliance there is on this release. SUN has made the
claim
> > > > that it is fully compliant. The people at SuSe have told me that they
are NOT
> > > > going to enforce the license. The City of Garden Grove aggrees with us
on
> > > > this matter, the compliance with MS Office, at least for the present.
> > > >
> > > > We believe with good reason that Windows requires a larger IT staff than
> > > > Linux. We do not have the hard evidence to present to prospective
clients. My
> > > > job this last week was to obtain comparative cost savings using Linux.
The
> > > > data is simply not available.
> > > >
> > > > In order to get clients and to establish a good reputation, along with a
> > > > better system, we are prepared to:
> > > >
> > > > 1.Migrate the first customers at no cost of the labor or a money back
> > > > guarantee if the customer is satisfied
> > > > 2.Give seminars on Linux and the benefits of stability, lower cost and
higher
> > > > security to the customers.
> > > >
> > > > Right now we are looking for potential customers. The time has never
been
> > > > better for a better system than Windows.
>
>
> Los Angeles Linux User Groups
> http://www.lalugs.org
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

--
"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

OK; we'll need some help getting a foot in the door, though.

I suppose this would make a good presentation at the LA Linux Expo...
- Dan

gareth@... wrote:
>
> Pitch this to CSUN too. This semester they've switched a lab from 2000
> to XP and the 2nd unix lab has been transformed to 2000.  We're down to
> one un*x lab.
>
>                                                         Gareth
>
> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:29:57PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
> > Got it.  BTW I'm working on a white paper on why
> > universities to start the switch; see
> >   http://kegel.com/linux/edu/
> > Once that's in place, I hope to try it out on UCLA and USC.
> >
> > Would you be interested in doing a joint presentation
> > at, say, UCLA, aimed at coaxing them into supporting
> > Linux more widely?
> > - Dan
> >
> > Jack Denman wrote:
> > > People have made the migration but TechConsults has yet to do one. Red Hat
is aiming for
> > > the desktop at years end. Since we already have a training center, we have
part of our
> > > business plan in place. We are getting some leads from various people.
Right now we are
> > > setting up a network, 3 workstations, mail server, database and Open
Office, Star
> > > Office6.0, and evolution. Walt, a lawyer and the head of the San Diego
Linux Users Group,
> > > wanted a network set up so that the press and other interested parties
could see how it
> > > works. The price of MS Office is 425 (each) and XP at 150 (each) for the
enterprise. We
> > > might not be able to replace all the windows  software right away but some
customers are
> > > going to save a lot of money. We need to get the word out and to have
people look at a
> > > working open source system that can do the work of windows at a much lower
cost.
> > >
> > > Jack Denman
> > >
> > > At 07:44 AM 9/4/2002, Dan Kegel wrote:
> > > >Hi Jack,
> > > >LULA would probably enjoy a presentation from you.  Maybe you could
> > > >give a case study of a windows-to-linux migration you've been involved
> > > >in?
> > > >Our web site is http://www.lula.org if you want to know more about us.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, I run Linux internships, too.  Check out
> > > >http://www.kegel.com/academy/
> > > >Might be fun to compare notes.
> > > >- Dan
> > > >
> > > > > I am teaching the Linux Internship class at TechConsults in Irvine.
The school
> > > > > is an extension of Cal-Poly University The training center prepares
people
> > > > > for certification in Oracle, Java and others.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.techconsults.net/
> > > > >
> > > > > We are planning training for Linux Certifications and an outsource
> > > > > organization to migrate corporations and other large IT departments
from
> > > > > Windows to Linux. We feel that the time is right for Linux to come to
the
> > > > > desktop. The tiered services we are planning to offer are:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.Migration to Linux including the data
> > > > > 2.Training and certifications
> > > > > 3.System Maintenance
> > > > >
> > > > > I spoke with the head IT person at the City of Garden Grove this last
week.
> > > > > They switched to Linux in 1995 and never looked back. An outside
vendor had
> > > > > given them a quote to convert the police station to an all windows
platform
> > > > > for one million dollars. The city rejected the bid and they installed
Linux
> > > > > for 300,000 and most of that was for the wiring.
> > > > >
> > > > > People from LUG are using open office as a rule. This may be the way
to go for
> > > > > them, but 100% compliance with MS Office would have a better appeal to
> > > > > corporations who are addicted to Windows. We are evaluating Star
Office 6.0
> > > > > to see how much compliance there is on this release. SUN has made the
claim
> > > > > that it is fully compliant. The people at SuSe have told me that they
are NOT
> > > > > going to enforce the license. The City of Garden Grove aggrees with us
on
> > > > > this matter, the compliance with MS Office, at least for the present.
> > > > >
> > > > > We believe with good reason that Windows requires a larger IT staff
than
> > > > > Linux. We do not have the hard evidence to present to prospective
clients. My
> > > > > job this last week was to obtain comparative cost savings using Linux.
The
> > > > > data is simply not available.
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to get clients and to establish a good reputation, along with
a
> > > > > better system, we are prepared to:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.Migrate the first customers at no cost of the labor or a money back
> > > > > guarantee if the customer is satisfied
> > > > > 2.Give seminars on Linux and the benefits of stability, lower cost and
higher
> > > > > security to the customers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now we are looking for potential customers. The time has never
been
> > > > > better for a better system than Windows.
> >
> >
> > Los Angeles Linux User Groups
> > http://www.lalugs.org
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
> --
> "I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
> a lot of toys."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gareth J. Greenaway
> gareth@...
>
>
> Los Angeles Linux User Groups
> http://www.lalugs.org
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hey guys.  Its time again for another SCLUG BBQ, we're planning to have
one following the meeting on the 14th of September.  The meeting will
run until 5 or 5:30 then we'll meet up at Orv Beach's house for the BBQ
(directions to follow).  We'll also work out a list of what people
should bring.

All other LALUG members are welcome, so feel free to pass this along to
respective LUGs.


						 Gareth
--
"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

gareth@... wrote:

>Hey guys.  Its time again for another SCLUG BBQ, we're planning to have
>one following the meeting on the 14th of September.  The meeting will
>run until 5 or 5:30 then we'll meet up at Orv Beach's house for the BBQ
>(directions to follow).  We'll also work out a list of what people
>should bring.
>
>All other LALUG members are welcome, so feel free to pass this along to
>respective LUGs.
>
>
> 				 Gareth
>
>
Aaarghh!!  Do you know that this conflicts with the LILAX meeting on the
same day?  The meeting features a presentation by Mike Fair and Chris
Smith about their email extravaganza, involving the integration of
Postfix, Cyrus IMAP, SSL Authentication, Spam Assassin,  and I am not
sure what else.

It would be really great if this time conflict could be resolved, so
that people are not forced to choose between these two very attractive
opportunities.

John

On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 08:18:39PM -0700, John Wenger wrote:
> gareth@... wrote:
>
> Aaarghh!!  Do you know that this conflicts with the LILAX meeting on the
> same day?  The meeting features a presentation by Mike Fair and Chris
> Smith about their email extravaganza, involving the integration of
> Postfix, Cyrus IMAP, SSL Authentication, Spam Assassin,  and I am not
> sure what else.

We've tried to keep this conflict from happening before but it always
seems to pop up.  The BBQ is after the SCLUG meeting so it wont be
until about 6pm.  It looks like the LILAX meeting ends at 4pm, that
gives you two hours to get to the BBQ.  Could work.

>
> It would be really great if this time conflict could be resolved, so
> that people are not forced to choose between these two very attractive
> opportunities.
>
Again, we've tried to avoid conflicts but they always popup for
whatever reason.


--
"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

Okay guys,
more BBQ info can be found at http://www.sclug.org/bbq.cgi.  On a side
note, I discovered that we had a BBQ around this time last year, on the
15th of September.  Kinda eerie.


Note to LILAX members, I realize this is the same day of Mike Fair and
Chris Smith's presentation.  The BBQ doesnt begin until 6pm or until we
get there :)

Again, please pass this along to other LUgs.  All are welcome.


							 Gareth

--
"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

Just a reminder, if you are planning to go to the BBQ on Saturday
please RSVP with Orv Beach (orv@...)


						 Gareth

--
"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

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> Date:     08 Sep 2002 22:19:41 -1000
> From:     Warren Togami <warren@...>
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> To:       usclug-chat@...
> Subject:  [usclug-chat] Announcing BrowserAdvocacy project
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( body of Warren's message below.  Thanks to Warren for permission
to include his post with my announcment.)
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I couldn't of asked for a better intro to mention a talk I
was recruited to help give (with Tony Butka)
on Sat., 21 Sept. 2002 in Tustin, Orange County, CA
on the Lynx browser.
It's for an OS/2 user group, but large amounts of the content
will be applicable for every platform from Amiga and BeOS
to IBM OS/390 mainframes (I guess that's Z Series now, providing the
proverbial 'A' to 'Z' platform coverage).

Some articles that helped to provoke my involvment:
   http://www.scoug.com/os24u/2001/scoug009.textbrowsers.html
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case20.html
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case24.html


Details on the meeting:
   http://www.scoug.com/meetings.html
General information on SCOUG:
   http://www.scoug.com

We'll probably be discussing
philosophy of text mode browsers,
installation/configuration tips,
fingering shortcuts, image viewer set up,
URL schema supported and
use of EXTERN alternate programs for various URL schema,
b^Hr^He^Ha^Hk^Hi^Hn^Hg^H ^Hi^Hn^Ht^Ho^H
accessing *your* on-line banking account,
handling frames, bypassing javascript and
whatever else we can get around to.

All enthusiasts for alternative operating systems are
welcome to attend the meeting.

If you can't attend, rumor has it Raymond Steding
of http://www.LPBN.org *may* be taping the talk,
in which case it will be available on line.

Feel free to forward this announcement to any where
whatsoever.

Apologies if anyone finds this post inappropriate.

Thanks again, Warren

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Warren said:

>
>
> http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/browseradvocacy
> BrowserAdvocacy project discusses issues facing the adoption of
> alternative web browsers - mainly dealing with sites that choose to
> reject visitors based upon user agent for no valid technical reason.
>
> Web browser rejection is among the main factors preventing adoption of
> alternate web browsers.  Most of the time this rejection is completely
> artificial, caused by ignorance in the web designer that other web
> browsers do exist and are of high quality.  In any of these cases, when
> people try to visit and they are told "Upgrade to Internet Explorer",
> they immediately have a negative impression of alternate web browsers
> (and Linux as a desktop.)
>
> This project is an attempt to improve this situation at various sites on
> the Internet through education and advocacy campaigns.  We will organize
> polite letter writing and phone call campaigns educating sites and
> designers as to why they should support alternate web browsers.
> Additionally we will organize educational articles to post at various
> news sites introducing new users to the benefits of alternate browsers,
> like the speed and pop-up protection of Mozilla, Galeon or Opera.  We
> will prioritize our efforts toward larger sites that offer critical or
> popular services, and eventually work our way toward smaller sites.
>
> I have already had success with convincing First Hawaiian Bank Online
> http://www.fhb.com to allow Mozilla into their new online site launching
> September 22nd.  This is one example of a "critical" site, making Linux
> and alternate web browsers inconvenient if you use online banking at
> this bank.
>
> Like usual I am taking on too many projects myself, so I would really
> appreciate if it some people would volunteer to help organize this
> project.  We mainly need content writers and a webmaster.  The following
> content will need to be written:
>
> * Project Home Page
> * Mailing List Policy
> * Status Board - showing current status of all sites identified for
> targeted advocacy
> * Documentation
> ** Why is this a problem? (discrimination, etc.)?
> ** How to identify problem sites?
> ** Sample letters to web designers
> ** Article introducing the benefits of Mozilla to new people
>
> Please let me know if you can help this project.
>
> Thanks,
> Warren Togami
> warren@...
> Mid-Pacific Linux Users Group
> http://www.mplug.org
> Browser Advocacy Project
> http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/browseradvocacy
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Regards,
Dallas E. Legan II  /  leganii@...  /  dallasii@...

Powered by......Lynx, the Internet at hyperkinetic speed.

Sorry to everyone about very badly violating
crossposting netiquette that was discussed this very day.
(UUASC list)
mailx does not have a '-bcc' option.
(it's '-b'    :-!)
I need some sleep.

Regards,
Dallas E. Legan II  /  leganii@...  /  dallasii@...

Powered by......Lynx, the Internet at hyperkinetic speed.

Please place this along to any mailing lists that the previous messages
were sent to.

						 Gareth

----- Forwarded message from Orv Beach <orv@...> -----

Subject: Saturday BBQ update
From: Orv Beach <orv@...>
To: Gareth Greenaway <gareth@...>
Date: 11 Sep 2002 22:48:00 -0700

Gareth; please forward as appropriate.
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Based on the RSVP's I've gotten so far, all 7 of us will have a good
time Saturday  :-)

Here's who's volunteered to bring what (or what I've volunteered them
for):  If you're coming and your name isn't on this list, drop me an
email and let me know which item you'd like to bring.  (and if I
volunteered you for something, please confirm that you can bring it).


Ice - 3 large bags - Josh Hyman
Pepsi/Coke - 6 6 packs - Frank Moody  (I already have Diet Coke &
Sprite)
Chips (potato & tortilla) - Ron Golan (verify please, Ron; I think you
volunteered for this)
20 Oz cups (two 20 packs or so) - Grendel T. Troll
Hamburger Buns (3 doz) - Jeff Carlson
Hamburger Patties (3 doz)-
Ketchup -
pickle relish -
forks (about 4 doz.) -
plates (divided paper; 3-4 doz.) -
dessert (any kind) -
fruit? -
ice cream? -

I already have:  spoons, knives, guacamole, salsa, bottled water,
napkins, mayo, mustard, cheese for cheeseburgers.

Thanks!

Orv




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"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
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Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

Greetings,
We would like to extend an invitation to all Linux and open source enthusiasts
to attend the Southern California Linux Expo. This event is being hosted by the
USC LUG, Simi-Conejo Valley LUG and the UCLA LUG.

Currently admission will be around $70 per person.  This will include admission
to the conference, to the exhibit hall, to all the talks and includes a gourmet
buffet lunch.  User groups may contact us to discuss group rates.  This event is
non-proft and all funds go towards the event's expenses.

We are also inviting the various Linux & and other open source OS user groups
torun a booth at the expo with the option of presenting a couple applications or
concepts that are not already being displayed by the attending vendors.  If your
group is interested please contact me directly.

Attendees: End users, Developers and IT Professionals.

Current Sponsors:
MSC Software
Linux Journal
Sun Microsystems
IBM (tbd)
AWL
Systems Administrator Magazine
O'Reilly (tbd)

Some notable speakers:
Rasmus Lerdorf (creator of PHP)
Marc Hamilton  (Sun Microsystems)
Jay Clark      (MSC Linux)
J. P. Lewis    (USC's IMSC)
Darren Moffat  (Sun's Solaris Security Technologies Group)
Daniel Morales (Vice-President of MandrakeSoft North America)

Date: November 2nd, 2002
Location: Davidson Conference Center on the University of Southern
California campus
Time: All day conference

Please visit our web site for additional conference information
http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/

Best regards,
Gareth J. Greenaway
Southern California Linux Expo


PS. Please pass this along anywhere applicable.  Thanks.

Okay,
We have a meeting scheduled for Saturday, the meeting will consist of a
screening of Revolution OS.  Followed by the usual machine tweaking.


						 Gareth
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"I'm a 21st century digital boy, I don't know how to live but i've got
a lot of toys."
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Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

Hey folks,
I'm getting more and more interested in government technology
policy.  Ever since Peru came out with their proposed law requiring
that government agencies use Open Source software if it met their
needs, I've wondered how come California sends so much money north
to Redmond (and over to Oracle).

As it turns out, State Senator Debra Bowen, who is influential in
technology policy (see
http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+bowen+technology),
is from a district that overlaps LULA and Lilax's home turf (see
http://democrats.sen.ca.gov/servlet/gov.ca.senate.democrats.pub.members.memDispl\
ayMap?district=sd28
)

If we as Linux advocates want to influence the state to behave
more sensibly with respect to their software dollars, it might
behoove us to get to know Senator Bowen one way or another.

If anyone's interested in talking about this, please email me,
and let's get something going.  (Yes, I have something in mind.)

Thanks,
Dan

This information isn't specific to L.A. LUGS, but since
many LUG members are consultants, I thought this information
might be beneficial to them as a desktop solution for their clients.
I apoligize if it is inappropriate.

I've created a new distro based on Red Hat 7.3.

It is another desktop distro aimed for the typical newbie user.

It is still early in its development, so it is more recommended for
consultants or current Linux users that wish to install a version of
Linux for their customers/spouses/Moms/friends which they can help out
and answer their questions.

Some of its benefits/goals are:

* Based on Red Hat 7.3.  Those using Red Hat on their servers don't
have to learn new commands and file locations unlike other desktop
distros when they want to install a user friendly distribution on a
friend or family members computer.  Again unlike other desktop
distributions, it is almost 100% Red Hat 7.3 compatible so you can
take advantage of the wealth of knowledge and software already available.

* Slimmed down to a single CD.  Almost all software not needed by a
typical desktop user is not included.  This prevents accidental software
installs which can slow down the computer, and provides less possibility
for security vulnerabilities.  It is also easier and less costly to
provide somone a copy of the distribution.

* 4 step install can provide you a fully functional desktop environment
in less than 15 minutes.

* Recompiled for i686 and above processors to get the most from your
hardware purchase.

Anyways, if LUG Leaders know of members that would be interested in
such a project, please point them to
http://www.boycottmicrosoft.net/jamd/ for further information.

Thanks,
-Jim

As many of you know, Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net) is
one of the finest sources of Linux news and analysis on the web.
Every week they offer concise, informative analyses of the most
important happenings in the world of Linux, and their daily news
feed is also very high quality and low noise.

They recently realized their ad revenue wasn't cutting it,
and announced they were shutting down.  The community reacted
by sending them enough donations to keep LWN going for another
couple months, and LWN realized they might be able to make a
go of it by offering subscriptions; the idea is to provide their
weekly analysis to subscribers only for a week, then open it up
to all.

If you haven't read LWN, go try it now.
If you like LWN and haven't subscribed yet, please do.
If you maintain a popular web site, please post an ad
urging people to go subscribe to LWN (see for example the text
banner at the top of http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html
or the news item at http://www.lalugs.org/#events ).
If you subscribe to a Linux-related mailing list *that hasn't already
mentioned this issue*, please mention it there.
They only need another 2000 or so subscriptions to make a go of it.

Sincerely,
Dan Kegel

Okay, a couple updates regarding the Linux Users Group at SCALE
(Southern California Linux Expo).  We are still offering booths to all
the LUGs that want them with the option of showing off some cool stuff.

I think I need to clarify that last part as there seems to have been
some confusion about the "show cool stuff".  This is not a formal time
set presentation.  It is very informal and would be the standard stuff
you would see at other expos/conferences.  A cool application or
concept that someone can walk by and check out, ask questions, etc.
Not a formal presention on how iptables works or the linux boot up
process.  If someone wants to do this, submit a paper for a talk.
Please take a look at the current list of Sponsors to determine what
applications/concepts that your LUG will show, if any, so there isnt an
overlap.

As far as admittance into the expo, for the LUGs that participate we
are offering 2 (count them, 2) free passes for two (count them, two)
people who will be working the booth throughout the day.  These passes
will _not_ include the buffet lunch, the tote bag, etc.  The lunch will
be available for purchase by those receiving these tickets.

Please have a rep. from your LUG let me know:
1) if your LUG is going to participate
2) applications/concepts by Monday 30th of Sept.
3) Who will be representing the LUG at the expo.

Please note, showing applications/concepts are not a requirement for a booth.

Thanks Guys.  Any questions dont hestitate to email me.

						 Gareth Greenaway
						 SCALE Booth Chair
--
Gareth J. Greenaway
gareth@...

Here are a couple OF updates regarding the Linux Users Groups at SCALE
(Southern California Linux Expo).

We have worked out a deal to allow LUG members to get INTO THE EXPO at a
discounted rate.  The rate will be $35 per person.  In order to get this deal,
attendees will need to pay as a group with a _minimum_ group of 10 people.  Each
group will need one representative that will coordinate the group rate.  Please
have that person email me directly.

We are also offering a student discount of $35.  Students will need to present
their school ID at check in time.  We will consider anyone with a valid student
ID to be a student and eligible for the student discount.

We are pushing the deadline for this and the participation information back to
Wednesday 2nd of October.  But please let me know of the group rep as soon as
possible, at the latest on Wednesday.

To recap:
Please have a rep. from your LUG let me know:
1) Who they are.
1) If your LUG is going to participate
2) Applications/concepts by Wednesday 2nd of October.
3) Who will be representing the LUG at the expo.
4) Who will be in the group for the group rate.

Thanks Guys.  Any questions don't hesitate to email me.

						 Gareth Greenaway
						 SCALE Booth Chair

Greetings,  We need the LUG community to help us get the word out about this
event.

May we please get the help of anyone who has an account on slashdot or any other
news site to post this press release.  If some of you wouldn't mind creating
Slashdot or other new site accounts in order to post, that would be great!

Thanks guys and girls, We appreciate it!

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			 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA LINUX EXPO:

We are bringing businesses, academic institutions and the Linux community
together in a way that no other conference does!

The first annual Southern California Linux Expo, presented by the USC,
UCLA , and Simi-Conejo Linux User Groups will be held November 2nd at USC.
This event will provide new insight into the growing
technological Linux community and where it is headed.  This operating
system created by a grassroots effort has grown robust enough to be
embraced by companies such as Sun and IBM. The Southern California Linux
Expo will contain the blend of business leaders and technical experts that
are required to truly understand where Linux is at and where it will be
in 5 years.

Quick Event Info:
Date: November 2nd, 2002
Time: 9am-5pm
Location: Davidson Conference Center on the University of Southern California
campus
Time: all day conference

Please visit our web site for additional conference information
http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/

Hey guys,
Thought I would send out a quick email to the LUGs to just clarify what the
group rate offers.  First off, LUGs do not need to have a booth at the show in
order to get the group rate, a LUG group or any open source group (approved by
us) of 10 or more can get in at the group rate.

What people get for the group rate.  The group rate includes, continental
breakfast, snacks and beverages throughout the day, a great buffet lunch, free
parking, the tote bag with a copy of Linux Journal, admission into the exhibits
and all the talks, and one entry into the event raffle with a chance at winning
some really great prizes.

To be apart of this great offer, please talk to your LUG rep. about tickets. 
Thank you.


							 Gareth

Hey guys,
Thought I would send out a quick email to the LUGs to just clarify what the
group rate offers.  First off, LUGs do not need to have a booth at the show in
order to get the group rate, a LUG group or any open source group (approved by
us) of 10 or more can get in at the group rate.

What people get for the group rate.  The group rate includes, continental
breakfast, snacks and beverages throughout the day, a great buffet lunch, free
parking, the tote bag with a copy of Linux Journal, admission into the exhibits
and all the talks, and one entry into the event raffle with a chance at winning
some really great prizes.

To be apart of this great offer, please talk to your LUG rep. about tickets. 
Thank you.


							 Gareth

We would like to announce that the ten dollar, exhibit-only pass to
the So Cal Linux Expo on November 2nd is now online.

For ten dollars, you'll get to tour the Expo floor, where the vendors,
LUGS, and .ORGs will be showing their wares, and demoing various Linux
applications.  In order to price the pass this low, it does NOT include
breakfast, lunch or the seminars.

The ten dollar passes are now available at http://www.socallinuxexpo.com


						 Thanks
						 Gareth J. Greenaway
						 SCALE Booth/Vendor Chair