For Immediate Release:

Free!  Free!  Free!  Free!  Free!  Free!  Free!  Free! Free!
====================================================

The SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA LINUX EXPO announces a special entrance
promotion!  Insert promo code F633F on the ticket-ordering page, and
get an Exhibit-only ticket for free!   Get your ticket here:

http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/order.html

You'll be able to see all these great exhibitors, and get a SCALE tote
bag to boot!

Sun

Sun Microsystems', Inc. Linux distribution is now delivered on the
Sun[LX50, the first in a family of Linux servers that provide a flexible
solution for applications that live on the edge of the network. Linux is
consistent with Sun's computing vision of employing open standards and
nonproprietary interfaces to develop products and services that address
the needs of a variety of environments.

IBM

IBM offers the most comprehensive portfolio of Linux-based e-business
products in the industry, helping companies deploy integrated, scalable
e-business solutions for a competitive advantage in an increasingly
Web-connected world. With such a wide variety of Linux-ready IBM
hardware, software and applications, it's no wonder more and more IBM
Business Partners are expanding their businesses to provide Linux-based
solutions to customers.

MSC

MSC Linux is the definitive cluster distribution.

MSC Linux offers many advantages over other Linux distributions. These
advantages stem from MSC.Software's 40-year heritage and involvement in
high-performance scientific and technical computing.  Features of this
distribution include compute cluster management tools, graphical
interface and fast-installation with an easy-to-use, web-based
installation and system administration.

Sony Computer Entertainment America

Sony will have Playstation© 2 systems running Linux using the Linux Kit
for Playstation© 2. The kit, which comes with a hard drive, ethernet
adaptor, keyboard and mouse, transforms the Playstation© 2 into a fully
functional desktop computer running Linux.

MySQL

MySQL is showing off their MySQL Database Server, the most widely used
open source database.

The Tolis Group

Tolis makes the BRU backup software for Linux. They will be
demonstrating their backup solutions for everything from personal
systems to large business networks.

Marshel Security

Marshel Network Security is showing its network security device based on
open source. MNS will also be showing their on line reporting system.

ApacheCon

ApacheCon will be offering their discounted early bird registration at
the Southern California Linux Expo. Normally, their early bird price
ends on October 4th, but anyone who registers at SCALE will receive the
early bird price special.

Hacom

Hacom is showing embedded OpenBrick platforms. OpenBrick is an open
platform optimized for Open Source / Free Software solutions (firewall,
micro-server, PABX, thin client, multimedia...).  OpenBrick is small
(180x118x40mm), light (about 900g) and completely silent with a fanless
300 Mhz x86 compatible 300Mhz Geode processor. Software can be installed
on a Compact Flash or an optional Hard Disk.

Local User Groups:

USCLUG: Webmin -Web-based interface for Unix system administration

SCLUG: Guarddog Firewall - User friendly firewall generation/management
utility; Gnucash

LULA: Open Office; GIMP; Linux Terminal Server Project;
Apache/PHP/Mysql; Postfix/Qpopper

LILAX: Desktop install of FreeBSD; Notebook install of Debian

SFVLUG: Linux server running LDAP, Cyrus, Apache, Samba, and Postfix;
Linux client running Evolution; Windows client running Outlook with
Bynari client DLLs, allowing it to think it's talking to an Exchange
server.

OCLUG: Alternate Desktops; Games: Quake 3, lbreakout2; Office
Applications: Lyx, Abiword, Gnumeric; Wine; Unison File Syncronizer

LPUGSC: Gentoo Linux; SCO Linux (United Linux 1.0 Beta)

LinuxChix of LA: Open Office Transition and Integration

SGVLUG: Virtual Terrain Server

INLUG: Ben Cooper will be discussing the processor architecture he is
designing for a high-speed, low-power general-purpose computer that uses
Linux as its OS.

Non Profit Organizations:

Debian

FreeBSD

OpenDarwin

FreeSCO  (a free, open source alternative to Cisco)

SoCalWUG (Wireless networking technology and security)

LPBN: LPBN has demonstrations of the LPBN system. One new feature is
videochat. Interviews between hosts and guests will be done through
broadband streaming. Live video streams of host and guest are captured
and re-broadcast out onto a single stream. The audience can see and hear
them live and use the LPBN videochat to communicate with the host, guest
and other members of the audience.

FSF: FSF's mission is to preserve, protect and promote the freedom to
use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer software, and to
defend the rights of Free Software users.

Quick Event Info:
Date: November 2nd, 2002
Time: 9 am - 5 pm  (registration begins at 8 a.m.)
Location: Davidson Conference Center on the University of Southern
California campus

Please visit our web site for additional conference information and to
register.  See you there!  http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/

Print a SCALE poster!: http://socallinuxexpo.com/poster/poster.pdf

[lalugs.org event announcement - please repost]

The Los Angeles Linux User Groups present:
      "Round Table with Red Hat: Linux in Universities -
       what's keeping us from rolling out Linux on the desktop?"

Anyone interested in rolling out Linux to desktop users
shouldn't miss this presentation - and a chance to give
Red Hat some direct feedback.

Cost: Free

When: Tuesday, November 12th, 2002, 6-8 pm

Where: Room THH 202, Taper Hall of Humanities, USC
          W. 34th St. and Trousdale Parkway
          Los Angeles, CA 90007

The panelists will be the four fellows from Red Hat:

       * Jeremy Hogan, Manager of Community Relations
       * James McDermott, Systems Engineer
       * Dave Lawrence, QA (and Bugzilla maintainer)
       * Jonathan Opp, Marketing Writer

along with five local Linux sysadmins:

       * Dan Kegel, maintainer, lalugs.org
       * Gary Calvin, Kenwood USA Corp.
       * Dave Fallon, Digital Domain
       * William Cinnater, UCLA Medical Center
       * Garrik Staples, ISD/USC Systems Administrator

For a map, see
      http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?addr=W.+34th+St.+and+Trousdale&csz=90007

For driving directions to USC's University Park Campus, see
      http://www.usc.edu/visit/upc/driving_directions/

For parking, see
      http://www.usc.edu/visit/upc/parking/

FOR MORE INFORMATION:
      See http://www.lalugs.org/roundtable.html

November 14th-16th, 2002: UCLA is hosting the third annual
Open Source Health Care Alliance meeting.
Registration is required ($100 / $35 for students).
The agenda is fairly impressive, check it out.
Their site is http://www.oshca.org/
One of the keynote speakers is Dr. Mike McCoy of UCLA,
who is on UCLA's IT planning board.

- Dan

Hi,

Attention!

SGVLUG announces a special guest presentor
for November:

Hans Reiser will be doing a presentation
on the Reiser4 filesystem .. (this stuff
looks very interesting.. )

Thurs 7PM 11/14/2002 at the SGVLUG
meeting. (Held at Caltech in Pasadena CA)

more info www.sgvlug.org

Please forward this to arround to anyone
you may feel is interested in this.
(especially linux user groups)

for more info on the Reiser4 please see ..

http://www.namesys.com/txn-doc.html

thanks
matti



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USCLUG JANUARY MEETING ANNOUNCMENT

Topic: Bash
Speaker: Dallas Legan
Date and Time: January 23, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 208
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
Dallas Legan will be teaching us an intro to programming with the Bash
shell - including scripting tricks for shell scripting gurus. Dallas
will also point out differences between bash and ksh.

Dallas has studied shell nearly every day for at least the past three
years. To maximize his exposure to shell, he has not installed X on any
UNIX computers he runs at home. His quote, "I assert that if it can be
done with shell scripting, I can do it. If I can't, there is a serious
problem."

Dallas Legan:
I began seriously programming almost simultaneously on various
mainframes (with emphasis on IBM 370), and the VIC-20, while working at
Rockwell Int. on the Space Shuttle program. There I produced engineering
support software and a few special tools when needed.

Since leaving Rockwell, I've developed network management tools for a
major metropolitin power utility, and am currently working toward some
level of Cisco Certification at Compurep Associates. When not at my
computer I'm usually reading or listening to music on a wide range of
topics.


Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 208.

Maps
USC Campus - http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
Map of the area around USC -
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

NOTE THE NEW ROOM: 201 instead of 208.


Topic: Bash
Speaker: Dallas Legan
Date and Time: January 23, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 201
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
Dallas Legan will be teaching us an intro to programming with the Bash
shell - including scripting tricks for shell scripting gurus. Dallas
will also point out differences between bash and ksh.

Dallas has studied shell nearly every day for at least the past three
years. To maximize his exposure to shell, he has not installed X on any
UNIX computers he runs at home. His quote, "I assert that if it can be
done with shell scripting, I can do it. If I can't, there is a serious
problem."

Dallas Legan:
I began seriously programming almost simultaneously on various
mainframes (with emphasis on IBM 370), and the VIC-20, while working at
Rockwell Int. on the Space Shuttle program. There I produced engineering
support software and a few special tools when needed.

Since leaving Rockwell, I've developed network management tools for a
major metropolitin power utility, and am currently working toward some
level of Cisco Certification at Compurep Associates. When not at my
computer I'm usually reading or listening to music on a wide range of
topics.


Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 201.

Maps
USC Campus - http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
Map of the area around USC -
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

I was contacted today by a small business that wants
to set up ten diskless workstations.  Knowledge of LTSP and VPNs required.
VMware or Wine may also be needed.   It looks like an
interesting challenge.  Contact me if you're interested in
taking it on.
- Dan

--
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http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

Topic: The UNIX Boot Process
Speaker: Luke Ravitch
Date and Time: Thursday, February 20, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 201
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
Luke will be doing a survey of startup scripts from various Unix-type
operating systems: Solaris, BSD, and a few Linux distros. I'll also
cover writing startup scripts: what happens from when the kernel runs
init to the first login prompt and some ways to modify that process.

Luke Ravitch:
I graduated from USC with a B.S. in computer science in 2001. Since June
2001 I've worked for Northrop Grumman as a software engineer. Before
that, I spent a year as an intern doing bioinformatics with a plant
genomics company. Mostly my work involves programming (usually C or C++,
but things like perl, awk, and shell scripting have come in handy), but
I do a little bit of system administration as well. At work I've used
mostly Solaris, Trusted Solaris, and (the dirt won't come off...)
Windows, as well as some IRIX, Linux, and FreeBSD. At home I'm running
Gentoo Linux, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD.


Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 201.

Maps
USC Campus - http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
Map of the area around USC -
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

Not a Linux event, except that Doc Searls, Senior Editor of Linux Journal
will be presenting

See more information:

http://boingboing.net/blogosphere.html

Topic: The UNIX Boot Process
Speaker: Luke Ravitch
Date and Time: Thursday, February 20, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 201
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
Luke will be doing a survey of startup scripts from various Unix-type
operating systems: Solaris, BSD, and a few Linux distros. I'll also
cover writing startup scripts: what happens from when the kernel runs
init to the first login prompt and some ways to modify that process.

Luke Ravitch:
I graduated from USC with a B.S. in computer science in 2001. Since June
2001 I've worked for Northrop Grumman as a software engineer. Before
that, I spent a year as an intern doing bioinformatics with a plant
genomics company. Mostly my work involves programming (usually C or C++,
but things like perl, awk, and shell scripting have come in handy), but
I do a little bit of system administration as well. At work I've used
mostly Solaris, Trusted Solaris, and (the dirt won't come off...)
Windows, as well as some IRIX, Linux, and FreeBSD. At home I'm running
Gentoo Linux, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD.


Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 201.

Maps
USC Campus - http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
Map of the area around USC -
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

The next meeting of the Southern California Wireless Users Group will be
meeting this Thursday 02/27/03 at 7pm (Pacific).

Main presentation meetings are held monthly on the fourth Thursday of the
month.


Presentation One:
=============================================
Fran McGrath of Colorbroadband, http://www.colorbroadband.com built the
recent wireless HotZone in Long Beach

Colorband Inc. is a international provider of wireless "broadcast
fiber" communication and other digital services. Colorband has engineered
the highest capacity microwave backbone network in Southern
California. This unique network architecture enables Colorband to provide
scalable franchise business solutions, serving subscribers from multiple
Internet Service Providers (ISPs).

Some topics that he will cover:

I. Color Broadband Inc.
Overview on Wireless

II. Wireless in Long Beach http://www.longbeachportals.com
Wireless Hot Zone project.

III. The future...


Presentation Two:
=============================================
Bao C. Ha of http://www.hacom.net sells small low cost computers

OpenBrick is a new kind of low-cost fan-less small computer targeted the
Open-Source/Free Software community, mainly Linux, FreeBSD and
OpenBSD.  It is popular in Europe and attracted a large follow of
engineers, hackers, students, researchers, small Open-Source companies,
and ISPs to implement ideas of appliances in areas of WiFi, broadband
networks, communications, multimedia, and IP telephony.

Checkout this example:

http://www.hacom.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=29


Reviews:
=============================================
Mitsumi Wavit11

This unit can be an 802.11b Access Point or a client device. We'll have a
review and a live demonstration

http://www.mitsumi.co.jp/Catalog/hifreq/commun/dwl/j/text01e.pdf



Meeting Cost: Free!
=============================================

Agenda (times are approximate):

7:00 Mixing - business/friend contacts
7:15 Logon> Introductions to the group and key members
7:20 Announcements
7:25 News items
7:30 Presentation by Fran McGrath
7:55 Q&A on presentation
8:00 Presentation by Bao C. Ha
8:25 Q&A on presentation
8:30 Open discussion - Current events, news, technical questions, newbie
questions
8:35 Mixing - break off into groups of discussions.
9:00 Logoff>


When:

7:00pm to 9:00pm Thursday, January 23rd. 2003


Where:

Pasadena IHOP Restaurant (rear meeting room)
3521 E. Foothill Blvd.
Pasadena, CA 91107
http://ihop.know-where.com/ihop/cgi/site?00006

Note: Please come hungry and support our host. Food served during
meeting. Separate checks.


This meeting's video will be streamed live see http://www.socalwug.org






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Hello,

Everyone here at the Southern California Linux Expo wants to thank you for
helping to make our first conference such a huge success.  Attendance
exceeded our expectations. We feel this shows the need for a community run
technical conference in Southern California.

We are all hard at work planning for next year (SCALE 2x) and would value
your feedback (http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/email.php) on SCALE.  We need
your suggestions and comments so that we can improve all aspects of the
conference and provide you, the open source community, with the best
conference possible.   By filling out our quick feedback form
(http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/email.php) you will be entered in a drawing
for 1 of 2 $50 gift certificates for any Transgaming products
(http://www.transgaming.com/).

Also please note SCALE is a non-profitcommunity effort and is always looking
for volunteers.  If you are interested in participating in
the planning of next years conference please contact us via e-mail
at ilan@...

Thanks again to everyone who attended as well as to all of our sponsors.
Sincerely,
The SCALE STAFF

P.S.  You are recieved this e-mail because you either attended SCALE or
asked us to be put on our announcement list.  Please let us know if you
would like to be removed from our list.  None of your information will ever
be sold or provided to another party.  We only plan to use your e-mail
address to contact you about future SCALE events.

Hello,

Everyone here at the Southern California Linux Expo wants to thank you for
helping to make our first conference such a huge success.  Attendance
exceeded our expectations. We feel this shows the need for a community run
technical conference in Southern California.

We are all hard at work planning for next year (SCALE 2x) and would value
your feedback (http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/email.php) on SCALE.  We need
your suggestions and comments so that we can improve all aspects of the
conference and provide you, the open source community, with the best
conference possible.   By filling out our quick feedback form
(http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/email.php) you will be entered in a drawing
for 1 of 2 $50 gift certificates for any Transgaming products
(http://www.transgaming.com/).

Also please note SCALE is a non-profitcommunity effort and is always looking
for volunteers.  If you are interested in participating in
the planning of next years conference please contact us via e-mail
at ilan@...

Thanks again to everyone who attended as well as to all of our sponsors.
Sincerely,
The SCALE STAFF

P.S.  You are recieved this e-mail because you either attended SCALE or
asked us to be put on our announcement list.  Please let us know if you
would like to be removed from our list.  None of your information will ever
be sold or provided to another party.  We only plan to use your e-mail
address to contact you about future SCALE events.

Hi folks --
my wrists are flaring up, so I have to drop offline
for a while.  I could use some help keeping the
events section of lalugs.org updated once every
week or two.  If you're interested, please call me
at 323 931 6717.
Thanks,
Dan

--
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http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:04:34PM -0800, Peter Benjamin wrote:
> >my wrists are flaring up, so I have to drop offline
> >for a while.
> I too have wrists flare up.
> I'm a big person, broad across the shoulders and all the retail
> versions are too narrow and I need more separation between the
> left and right hand keyboards.

not being a big person, i had some success with a keybord with an
adjustable angle. but doing system administration makes it hard to carry
your own keyboard from machine to machine. or typing on notebooks...

"fortunately" though i can't even type 5 minutes the way you are
supposed to type. wrists hurt immideately so i never tried to
overcome that and instead settled with using only the indexfingers and
thumbs to type.

typing speed does not really seem to suffer from that. on the contrary,
since i am out of practice with the adjustable keyboard, that is now so
much slower that i don't bother anymore.

another interesting thing may be mouse usage.
i configured Window Maker to switch focus and bring windows forward by
just moving the mouse without needing to click.
the advantage i believe this gives is that you can just give the mouse a
kick to switch windows and don't need to stress your wrist (or whatever
is being stressed at that point :-) by clicking.

greetings, martin.
--
interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training,
sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world.
--
pike programmer     working in europe                             csl-gmbh.net
                     open-steam.org     (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at
unix                bahai.or.at                       iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at
systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org        is.(schon.org|root.at)
Martin Bähr         http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

Peter Benjamin wrote:
> I plan on using a similar design to the homemade one I found
> online.  Some dowels, tape and Velcro to mount each keyboard
> angled in the air and fully adjustable for angles and separation.
>
> Then no more angled wrists to my forearms or strange wrist
> angles up or down.  Just put my arms/wrists/fingers where
> they feel comfortable and position the keyboards right there
> and start typing.  I hope it works.  Well I know it will give
> me more relief than the keyboard I'm using now.

Do let us know!

> Anyone else have custom solutions I could look at?  Try?

No, but I'm fairly happy with my datahand (http://www.datahand.com).

> I'm looking at single hand chording keyboards as well.
> I here I should be able to double my speed on that.

Big red flag.  I tried the BAT ten years ago, and found
chording INCREASED wrist irritation.  Avoid chording keyboards!

> I'm going to eventually get separate keys for each finger
> and position them in modelling clay, then bake the clay.

That's what the datahand is like, kind of.
Drawback is that it's quite expensive.
- Dan

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Peter Benjamin wrote:
> Just to re-iterate to those reading this thread, the original
> post is to get help with lalugs.org that I know for a fact is
> a very visited web site and is now mentioned in most major
> linux and even unix portal and community web sites as the
> place to find a meeting if you are visiting LA or OC or even
> SoCal.  Dan has done a fine job creating this site, which on
> its own is now highly linked to for its focus.  Most LA LUGS
> now link to it.  If you are in another part of LA looking
> for similar minded folks, then LALUGS.org gives you the
> fastest route to find the meeting day and location.

Why, thanks.

> I enjoyed my 6 months of maintaining LULA.org the other year.

And we enjoyed it too!

> I would do LALUGS for 6 months, but...

I have a volunteer already, so you're off the hook.  Thanks for the sentiment,
though.

>>No, but I'm fairly happy with my datahand (http://www.datahand.com).
>
> But Dan are your wrists not hurting with this unit?

After a year and a third of hacking like the dickens, yes.
It gave me quite a respite.  It's not a cure, but it helped.

> A very fine machine for $1300.00 US.
> Is it adjustable?  Mechanical angles?

Yes.  I don't adjust it much, though, which is probably bad.

> Perhaps a different key layout might help?

I found Dvorak very painful for typing 'ls', which I do often :-)

> Actually I found the site had many interesting insights into
> the mechanics of RSI and pain.  Stuff I had not found on
> other sites.  Thanks Dan.  I can use this stuff to better
> analyze and arrange my low cost DIY attempt.



> I agree that RSI is inflammation for 95% of the pain.
> Cause the inflammation to go down and the pain goes away.
> What cures do I know about?  Three of them.
>
> Massage, special type of the bad blood out and good blood in.
>
> Aspirin cream applied directly the to muscle.  Get the good
> 30% aspirin cream for 20 second results.  Apply many times
> during the day, and the inflammation goes way down, and so
> does the pain the next day when not using the cream.
>
> Raise your hands above your head.  Drain out the blood.

Another one that seems to help me: plunge arms alternately into
very warm water and very cold water (hold for 30 seconds each).
Increases circulation.
- Dan

--
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http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

Topic: DNS: Delegation and Authority
Speaker: Vincent Cordrey
Date and Time: March 27, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 201
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
DNS is a fundamental part of the network computing environment. This
brief introduction to DNS basics provides a basis for understanding DNS
in its current form. Name service basics are covered with an emphasis on
the fundamental concepts often missed by those new to DNS.

Vincent Cordrey:
Vincent Cordrey first experienced UNIX(TM) in 1981 on a PDP 11/45
running Version 7. He did Systems Administration and wrote custom
business software from 1984 through 1987, porting the solution to UNIX
in 1988. That was when his work became almost exclusively UNIX Systems
Administration.


Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 201.

Maps
USC Campus - http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
Map of the area around USC -
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

Topic: DNS: Delegation and Authority
Speaker: Vincent Cordrey
Date and Time: March 27, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 201
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
DNS is a fundamental part of the network computing environment. This
brief introduction to DNS basics provides a basis for understanding DNS
in its current form. Name service basics are covered with an emphasis on
the fundamental concepts often missed by those new to DNS.

Vincent Cordrey:
Vincent Cordrey first experienced UNIX(TM) in 1981 on a PDP 11/45
running Version 7. He did Systems Administration and wrote custom
business software from 1984 through 1987, porting the solution to UNIX
in 1988. That was when his work became almost exclusively UNIX Systems
Administration.


Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 201.

Maps
USC Campus - http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
Map of the area around USC -
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

Announcing the USC Linux Users Group MIRROR!

The University of Southern California Linux Users Group is proud to
announce a brand new software mirror right here on the USC campus! The
mirror is a hefty quad-Pentium 4 Xeon 1.5GHz box with 5GB of RAM, and
all the bandwidth you could possibly want.

The new mirror is filled with many different kinds of open source
software. We currently have:
Redhat Linux
Mandrake Linux
Debian Linux
Suse Linux
OpenSSL
OpenSSH
The entire GNU ftp site
The Linux Documentation Project

The mirror will soon also include the Fedora Project.

All four Linux Distributions being mirrored include *all* architectures
and go back at least three versions so as to cater to as much of the
Linux community as possible.

The USC Linux Users Group Mirror can be found at mirrors.usc.edu and
supports HTTP, FTP, and RSync. The mirror is accessible both on and off
campus to whomever would like to use it. An index page with information
can be found at http://mirrors.usc.edu/

The USC Linux Users Group is a non-profit USC student organization who
runs monthly meetings and provides a variety of services for the Linux
community both on and off campus. The USC Linux Users Group can be found
at http://linux.usc.edu/

The USC Linux Users Group would like to thank the USC Information
Services Division for all of their contributions to this project.

--
Phil Dibowitz                             phil@...
Freeware and Technical Pages              Insanity Palace of Metallica
http://www.phildev.net/                   http://www.ipom.com/

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
   - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

A reminder that we will be meeting on Sat the 19th - one week later than
the usual date.

Fredrik Norrman and Willy Sagefalk will be giving a detailed
presentation on Linux embedded development - highlighting the ETRAX
system on a chip product from Axis. The session will start at 11 am and
will last at least 3 hours. There will be ample time for questions.

They will have about 10 of the server devices available for cash sale at
a discounted price.

More information is available at http://www.lilax.org/meetings.html

I hope that all of you get the word out about the change in dates -
unfortunately the last time we made a date change I discovered that serveral
people showed up anyhow at the usual time of the month, so if you
could kindly pass this message on to your colleagues who attend Lilax
(and may not be subscribed to the Lilax list) sessions I would be
grateful.

And finally, I just got mail from Fredrik indicating that they are going to be
covering lots of juicy material on embedded technology with a clear and
polished presentation so I hope you can get the time off to attend the
session - again next Saturday April 19th. 2555 West 190th Street
Torrance, CA 90504

Thanks,

Ismet

Topic: Kermit
Speaker: Dallas Legan
Date and Time: April 24, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 210
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
Dallas will discuss the Kermit file transfer protocol and the C-Kermit
scripting language. Dallas said, "You might summarize C-Kermit as a
general 'telecommunications shell'. It is comparable to SQL or EMACS as
a powerful, special purpose tool."

Dallas Legan:
I began seriously programming almost simultaneously on various
mainframes (with emphasis on IBM 370), and the VIC-20, while working at
Rockwell Int. on the Space Shuttle program. There I produced engineering
support software and a few special tools when needed.

Since leaving Rockwell, I've developed network management tools for a
major metropolitin power utility, and am currently working toward some
level of Cisco Certification at Compurep Associates. When not at my
computer I'm usually reading or listening to music on a wide range of
topics.


Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 210.

Maps
http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

More info from:
http://www.lpbn.org/revolutionmedia.htm

Sorry for the late post.  The event's already started, but it'll be going
on until late tonight...
- Dan

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: LPBN - Revolution Media - a public benefit
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:51:41 -0700
From: rsteding
To: Dan Kegel
Hi Dan:

Can you post a little blip out of this info in the LALUGS news/special
events section???

*Revolution Media - a public benefit*

Date: April 19th 2003
Time: 11am to 11pm
Location: LAFCO Studios 660 Venice Blvd. Venice, CA

Revolution Media celebrates a benefit for the independent musician,
filmmaker, programmer, and artist. The funds raised by this event go to
the performing artists of the day and the Linux Public Broadcasting Network.

The theme: Freedom of the individual from the bonds of corporate greed
and exploitation.

The trend of persons around the world to work together as members of
cooperative community projects and then the distribution of these
project's products over the Internet has led to the open source software
industry, the implosion of the record label market and the beginnings of
powerful alternative media systems.

People are making a difference. Ultimately government and the economy
will be transformed by the social micro-trends now underway.
Experience a wonderful time with the Linux Public Broadcasting Network
and the Los Angles Filmmakers Cooperative as we celebrate the
spontaneous arising of new media systems.

Cover charge: $10 at the door.

Performers: Lovesick Lunatics, Maetar, Suzy Williams Band, The Radical
Cheerleaders, Third Grade Teacher, Nantucket Suicide, Ncognito, fire
dancers, Glamour Dancers, The Eklektic DJ and more.

Schedule:
11:00am: Barbecue with salad and drinks and Anti-war coverage by Clay
Claiborne
11:45:am: Peace and Freedom Party
12:15: pm: Introduction to open source and Linux
2:00pm: Maetar
3:00pm: Suzy Williams
4:00pm: Third Grade Teacher
5:00pm: LPBN on Social Micro-trends
5:30pm: LAFCO on Independent media
6:00pm: Radical Teen cheeerleaders
6:30pm: Glamour Show Dancers
7:00pm: The Lovesick Lunatics
8:00pm: Nantucket Suicide
9:00pm: Ncognito
10:00pm: Nova Blue

A DVD video of the days festivities shall be produced and sold as a
fundraiser when completed. The proceeds from the DVD will be split 50%
to the performing artists and 50% to the LPBN.

If you can't be there watch the live webcast on www.lpbn.org
<http://www.lpbn.org>.



--
Dan Kegel
http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

He sounds like a good guy, and would love to speak in
front of a LUG or two.  I'm trying to arrange for him
to speak at LULA, but wanted to pass this info on to other lugs.

Here's what brought him to my attention:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30325.html
Here's his web site:
http://www.hentzenwerke.com/
Here's a link to a recent talk of his:
http://www.baadd.org/plain/foxpro_0.html

He'll be in LA 5/12 to 5/15.  His evenings are booked, but he has
daytime slots available.  Pass this on to LUG leaders
looking for speakers.  Thanks!

He'll be back in LA for a day or two around 5/29; I've asked
him to speak at Lula that night (pending lula deciding to move
their meeting date a week; not sure if that's practical yet).
- Dan

--
Dan Kegel
http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

Kevin Cohen wrote:
> I'm sorry I didn't write this earlier.
>
> David Morgan is scheduled to present on May 20th.
>
> He is going to present on VPN's
>
> Ip-over-ip
> Ppp-over-ssh
> Cipe
> Ipsec/freeswan
>
> We scheduled this over a month ago, and he has organized to get all the
> computers to show this presentation.

Oh, ok.

> Can we do the fox pro presentation another time?

He has those fixed days he'll be in town, though I suppose
he might also be in town again in months to come.
Maybe we should start discussing this with other LUGs
and see if maybe a joint special event is in order,
or if one of the other LUGs can use him as a speaker
at their normal meeting.  I guess I'll cc lalugs so the other LUGs
know LULA isn't claiming him for their regular speaker next month.

Here's a better URL on the controversy he got mixed up in:
http://www.linuxtransfer.com/h/misc_vfplinuxjackofhearts.htm
- Dan

--
Dan Kegel
http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

Topic: Kermit
Speaker: Dallas Legan
Date and Time: April 24, 2003, 8-10 pm
Location: USC, THH 210
Cost: Free to members and general public
Topics:
Dallas will discuss the Kermit file transfer protocol and the C-Kermit
scripting language. Dallas said, "You might summarize C-Kermit as a
general 'telecommunications shell'. It is comparable to SQL or EMACS as
a powerful, special purpose tool."

Dallas Legan:
I began seriously programming almost simultaneously on various
mainframes (with emphasis on IBM 370), and the VIC-20, while working at
Rockwell Int. on the Space Shuttle program. There I produced engineering
support software and a few special tools when needed.

Since leaving Rockwell, I've developed network management tools for a
major metropolitin power utility, and am currently working toward some
level of Cisco Certification at Compurep Associates. When not at my
computer I'm usually reading or listening to music on a wide range of
topics.



Directions:

  From the 110 Northbound
Exit Adams
Take a left onto Adams
Take a left onto Figueroa (south)
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

  From the 110 Southbound
Exit Adams
Go straight, you'll hit Figueroa, take a right (south)
Pass Adams
Pass Jefferson and turn right into Gate 3 Park in the parking structure
to the left, there is a $6 charge

After you park
Once you've parked exit the parking structure the way you came in, and
turn left (i.e. away from the gate). Walk along the path and you'll be
walking toward three buildings. The one slightly to the left of the end
of the path is VKC, it has red brick, and a tall tower on top of the
building with a large golden globe on the top of the tower. On the right
of VKC is SOS, it's very short, and to the right of that is a very tall
building. Right behind these buildings is THH (Taper Hall of
Humanities). This is the building you want. It's very long, and
L-shaped. Towards the right is an overhand and some glass doors, go in
there and and up the stairs. Room 201.

Maps
http://www.usc.edu/assets/maps/upc_map.gif
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Los+Angeles&state=CA&slt=34\
.028099&sln=-118.284401&mlt=34.021100&mln=-118.286100&name=&zip=90007&country=us\
&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=8&desc=&cs=7&newmag=9&poititle=&poi=

The Second Annual Southern California Linux Expo

(SCALE 2x)

Mark your calendars! The Linux Expo ofSouthern California,a joint effort
of the USC, UCLA, and Simi-Conejo Linux Users Groups, is proud to
announce the second annual Southern California Linux Expo, scheduled for
November 22nd, 2003 at the Los Angeles Convention Center.

Last year's Expo was a tremendous success, with over 600 people
attending. The success of SCALE was in no small part due to the great
participation from LUGs and other non-profits. We hope to expand upon
that participation in SCALE 2x!


If your LUG or non-profit participated last year, you know what fun
SCALE was. If they didn't, you missed a great opportunity to show off
your skills!


Start planning now for SCALE 2x! Submit your booth requests/ideas/themes
to Gareth Greenaway (gareth@...). He'll approve them and more
importantly, make sure there's minimal duplication among the
presentations.


SCALE also plans to acknowledge outstanding efforts by creating a custom
set of icons for display on the web sites of those who have excelled.
While not cast in concrete, here are some categories that will be
acknowledged at SCALE 2x:


Best Overall Commercial Booth, SCALE 2003¡

Best Overall Non-profit Booth, SCALE 2003¡ (includes LUGs)

Best Non-profit Presentation, SCALE 2003¡

Best non-profit Educational handout, SCALE 2003¡

Best Commercial Handout, SCALE 2003¡ (aka schwag).

Ideas for other categories will cheerfully be considered!

Watch http://www.socallinuxexpo.comfor info on SCALE 2x!

The Second Annual Southern California Linux Expo

(SCALE 2x)

Mark your calendars! The Linux Expo ofSouthern California,a joint effort
of the USC, UCLA, and Simi-Conejo Linux Users Groups, is proud to
announce the second annual Southern California Linux Expo, scheduled for
November 22nd, 2003 at the Los Angeles Convention Center.

Last year's Expo was a tremendous success, with over 600 people
attending. The success of SCALE was in no small part due to the great
participation from LUGs and other non-profits. We hope to expand upon
that participation in SCALE 2x!


If your LUG or non-profit participated last year, you know what fun
SCALE was. If they didn't, you missed a great opportunity to show off
your skills!


Start planning now for SCALE 2x! Submit your booth requests/ideas/themes
to Gareth Greenaway (gareth@...). He'll approve them and more
importantly, make sure there's minimal duplication among the
presentations.


SCALE also plans to acknowledge outstanding efforts by creating a custom
set of icons for display on the web sites of those who have excelled.
While not cast in concrete, here are some categories that will be
acknowledged at SCALE 2x:


Best Overall Commercial Booth, SCALE 2003¡

Best Overall Non-profit Booth, SCALE 2003¡ (includes LUGs)

Best Non-profit Presentation, SCALE 2003¡

Best non-profit Educational handout, SCALE 2003¡

Best Commercial Handout, SCALE 2003¡ (aka schwag).

Ideas for other categories will cheerfully be considered!

Watch http://www.socallinuxexpo.comfor info on SCALE 2x!

gareth@... wrote:
> Mark your calendars! The Linux Expo ofSouthern California,a joint effort
> of the USC, UCLA, and Simi-Conejo Linux Users Groups, is proud to
> announce the second annual Southern California Linux Expo, scheduled for
> November 22nd, 2003 at the Los Angeles Convention Center.

I've updated http://lalugs.org with this info.

BTW, Gareth, I see the CFP web page,
http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/cfp.php,
but a CFP announcement needs to be sent out, too.

FWIW I'd send the CFP to comp.os.linux.announce and lwn@...
if you haven't already.
- Dan

--
Dan Kegel
http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

I don't have a formal announcement ready, but I did at least list
the event at http://www.lalugs.org/#events
Whil, can you provide a description of the talk yet, or should
we wing it?  We need to send out real announcements soon.
- Dan

--
Dan Kegel
http://www.kegel.com
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045