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Re: Haywards

In regard to Fredrik and Pat's comments, our gloss:

> "haywards -- The term _hayward_ originally referred to
> one who protected the fences around lands enclosed for
> growing hay (Old English _hegeweard_), later more
> generally applied to one who prevents cattle from
> breaking through into enclosed fields with growing
> crops." (p. 35)

should have pointed to Tolkien's own gloss in the "Nomenclature", as
indeed we do in our gloss for "Hob Hayward" (LR p. 998, our p. 655).
Our note on p. 35 was written early in the project, and forgotten 620
pages later. Even early on, however, we knew that Hob Hayward would
be coming along, with a name derived from an occupation, and so for
our first note consulted the Oxford _Dictionary of English Surnames_
by Reaney and Wilson, which says: "The original duties of the hayward
seem to have been to protect the fences round the Lammas lands when
enclosed for hay (Coulton), hence his name, OE _hegeweard_ 'guardian
of the fence or hedge'." "Coulton" is nowhere identified by Reaney
and Wilson (probably the writer on medieval history G.G. Coulton),
and it may be that an element of folk etymology is present.

Wayne and Christina













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In their excellent book _The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion_, Wayne G.Hammond and Christina Scull write: "haywards -- The term _hayward_ originally...
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See Tolkien's _Guide to the Names_, Persons, _Hayward_: "The word is derived from _hay_ 'fence' (_not_ 'grass') + _ward_ 'guard'." (TC:168) - Beregond...
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Recall also "Haysend" - where too "hay"="hedge". Lukas...
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... The text of the "Guide" is also printed in the _Reader's Companion_ itself. [The page reference in Beregond's post was added by your humble moderator, who...
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... No, I don't think so. Too many details have passed by now to be sure, but I think that we meant to point to the mention of the Hay Gate. If we had meant...
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... Strictly speaking, that's true. It's really just an extrapolation, based on the gloss of _athelas_ as 'kingsfoil' and the transparent meaning of _aranion_...
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... should have pointed to Tolkien's own gloss in the "Nomenclature", as indeed we do in our gloss for "Hob Hayward" (LR p. 998, our p. 655). Our note on p. 35...
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