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Re: Haywards, and an uzu

Beregond wrote:

> See Tolkien's _Guide to the Names_, Persons,
> _Hayward_: "The word is derived from _hay_
> 'fence' (_not_ 'grass') + _ward_ 'guard'."
> (TC:168)

The text of the "Guide" is also printed in the
_Reader's Companion_ itself.

[The page reference in Beregond's post was added
by your humble moderator, who decided to cite the
_Tolkien Compass_ edition as currently the most
familiar. The version in _Reader's Companion_ differs
from this in that "it has been newly transcribed from
the professional typescript as corrected by Tolkien, with
reference also to an earlier version in manuscript and
typescript" (RC:751). I have no doubt that in the future
the version in the RC will become the standard text of
reference for Tolkienian linguistics. -- PHW]

I might point out a possible misprint in this context.
On p. 655, entry for Hob Hayward, there is a reference
to a "note for p. 107". However, Hob Hayward is not
mentioned in the notes for page 107 (although the Hay
Gate is, as correctly noted in the next entry on page
655 in the _Reader's Companion_). Possibly the
reference should read "(See also note for p. 10.)",
referring to the note for "haywards"?

Speaking of possible errors in the _Reader's
Companion_, Magnus Åberg, whose "Analysis of Khuzdul"
was read at the Omentielva Minya, made an interesting
observation regarding the following text on page 269:

"_Azan_ [in _Azanulbizar_] was probably a plural of
_uzu_ 'dimness, shadow' (cf. _Khazad_ - _Khuzd_)".

Magnus points out that *_'uzn_ as the singular
of _'azan_ would fit the pattern of _khuzd_ - _khazad_
better than _uzu_ does. Could it be that the word was
misread in the manuscript of the _Nomenclature_?

Kind regards,
/Fredrik Ström






Sun Nov 6, 2005 2:16 pm

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In their excellent book _The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion_, Wayne G.Hammond and Christina Scull write: "haywards -- The term _hayward_ originally...
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See Tolkien's _Guide to the Names_, Persons, _Hayward_: "The word is derived from _hay_ 'fence' (_not_ 'grass') + _ward_ 'guard'." (TC:168) - Beregond...
Beregond. Anders Sten...
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Nov 5, 2005
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Recall also "Haysend" - where too "hay"="hedge". Lukas...
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Nov 6, 2005
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... The text of the "Guide" is also printed in the _Reader's Companion_ itself. [The page reference in Beregond's post was added by your humble moderator, who...
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... No, I don't think so. Too many details have passed by now to be sure, but I think that we meant to point to the mention of the Hay Gate. If we had meant...
Wayne G. Hammond
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On p. 580 in _The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion_, Wayne Hammond and Christina Scull writes: "_athelas_ in the noble tongue [...] In the following ...
F. Ström
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... Strictly speaking, that's true. It's really just an extrapolation, based on the gloss of _athelas_ as 'kingsfoil' and the transparent meaning of _aranion_...
Arden R. Smith
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Nov 14, 2005
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On his 'Addenda and Corrigenda' page to RC (http://bcn.net/~whammond/addenda/readers.html), Wayne Hammond writes: 'On the Lambengolmor forum,...
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You know, I've felt guilty for the better part of a decade for my unthinking and unauthorized posting of that snippet on Usenet- especially since soon...
William Cloud Hicklin
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F. Ström
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... should have pointed to Tolkien's own gloss in the "Nomenclature", as indeed we do in our gloss for "Hob Hayward" (LR p. 998, our p. 655). Our note on p. 35...
Wayne G. Hammond
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