In the spirit of experimentation currently being lauded on Elfling, and in light of the comparatively low scholarly and linguistic content of Elfling (as I see...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 2:57 am
One more moderation note (I will try, by the way, to preface all such moderation posts as this with "Moderation:"): Two of my biggest pet peeves about mailing...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 3:18 am
Bibliographic citations should conform to the style used in _Vinyar Tengwar_. Here are the bibliographic citation abbreviations used. Citations should be to...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 11:40 am
To get the ball rolling, I thought I might share some notes towards an article that I've been kicking around for years now, and solicit some feedback. A...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
May 30, 2002 1:11 pm
Hello, Carl wrote the following excellent essay: (Is it to appear in _Words and Devices_, as I hope?) ... As a matter of fact, I believe the Western asociation...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 1:28 pm
... True enough. But 1) later associations often are quite altered from the primitive/formative semantics indicated by etymology; and 2) Tolkien did not reject...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 1:59 pm
[I'm replying to this message on the list, since others will likely have the same questions. Carl] ... Provide page citations to whatever edition you have; if...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
May 30, 2002 3:14 pm
In message 14958 of the Elfling list Helge K. Fauskanger tells us of a a signature by Tolkien below which reads the words _nai elen siluva lyenna_. To this...
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Candon McLean
candon3
May 30, 2002 4:09 pm
Greetings! First I'd like to say, hello. I'm glad to be on this list (an excellent idea Carl)! The Welsh word _annwfn_ does have a controversial etymology as...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
May 30, 2002 4:19 pm
Hello, ... I wonder what Carl has to say on the subject :-) [...] ... I disagree. Elision in Quenya only seems to appear in the cases of two identical vowels...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 4:19 pm
It appears that I will have to relax the policy of citing message numbers when referring to posts. I'd still like members to do this where possible, but since...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 4:19 pm
... Indeed! Which if anything makes it all the more significant that Tolkien nonetheless accepted Jones's etymology in this case, at least to the extent of...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
May 30, 2002 5:53 pm
Hello, ... Indeed. A one-on-one Welsh -> English transposition would be very very unreliable. ... I'd also vote for these, esp. 'inworld', as it would agree...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 6:13 pm
This is a plea to all posters to be vigilant about line breaks. If you can, please set your mailer to word-wrap your lines at about 80 characters. Also, please...
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Terry A. Dock
mablor
May 30, 2002 7:39 pm
[Moderator's note: I'm letting this post pass, but I would like to encourage people not to quote so much from other people's posts, as Terry does here with an...
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Sébastien Bertho
lambendil
May 30, 2002 7:40 pm
Aiya ! ... I think it is a very good news to have a list focusing on _scholarship_ in the Tolkienian linguistic field ! I hope the list will indeed prove...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
May 30, 2002 7:58 pm
Hello, ... [...] ... This is possible, however, I would still hold that elision in _siluv(a) (e)lye_ would not be possible. It is not unlikely that elision can...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
May 30, 2002 8:19 pm
... From: Pavel Iosad To: lambengolmor@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [Lambengolmor] Re: Elision and _'n_ Aiya! ... Aiya ... ...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 30, 2002 8:46 pm
I have allowed Sébastien's post to pass, though I don't want to make a habit of having "me too" posts with little or no linguistic content. The best way to...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
May 30, 2002 8:53 pm
Hello, ... All right, you got me here. Objection withdrawn, at least partly. Note though - the elided vowel happens to be the first one. [...] ... I do not...
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Terry A. Dock
mablor
May 30, 2002 9:01 pm
Hello again, Petri pointed out that if _nai elen siluva lyenna_ was a case of elision of _elyenna_ to _lyenna_, then _*nai elen siluv' elyenna_ was likely too....
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 31, 2002 2:18 am
This 40-page issue features the second part (of two) of a presentation and analysis of five hitherto unpublished Quenya texts by J.R.R. Tolkien (see _VT_ 43...
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Candon McLean
candon3
May 31, 2002 1:33 pm
... Which is significant for _udûn_, but Tolkien's acceptance of Morris-Jones' eytomogy here doesn't perclude Tolkien's use of the other interpretations of...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 31, 2002 1:48 pm
... Oh, I agree, wholeheartedly. I never meant to imply that there could be _no_ intended relationship between S. _Annûn_ and Welsh _Annw(f)n_. But if there...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
May 31, 2002 6:05 pm
Aiya! In a message on Elfling Pavel has argued that there could be no general "Namaarie-style Quenya", for that particular phase of Quenya begins and ends with...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
May 31, 2002 8:37 pm
... I've asked Bill Welden (who's been thinking and writing about just this topic lately) to reply to this, and he has agreed to do so, when he gets a little...
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Arden R. Smith
erilaz7
May 31, 2002 9:05 pm
... Even in the case of "Namárie" we're dealing with two different Quenyas: the first edition version in which _vánier_ was presumably grammatically correct,...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
May 31, 2002 11:25 pm
Hello, ... As a matter of fact, we are dealing with at least _three_ _Namárië_'s, as there's also the draft version in _The Treason of Isengard_. Pavel -- ...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Jun 1, 2002 12:11 am
Aiya Lambengolmor, Well, here's one to discuss the latest publications. I've already posted ths on TolkLang, but I guess there won't be trouble if I try to...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Jun 1, 2002 12:38 am
... There is another factor to consider about the possible convergence of these two particular roots. While "along side" and "against, opposed to, opposite" ...
