Considering that _Rohan_, _Rohirrim_ are elvish names and the indigenous name is Mark, Riddersmark for the country (formerly _Calenardhon_?) and Riders of the...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Sep 6, 2002 12:33 am
Hans commented on Petri Tikka's suggestion that _lyenna_ ... **This does not, however, necessarily mean that _ly_ in _lyenna_ has to be medial. As you cited,...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Sep 6, 2002 12:34 am
... **I think it would be an _l_ with a small superscript _j_. Similarly, labialization would be represented with a superscript _w_ and aspiration with a...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Sep 6, 2002 12:38 pm
Aiya! I was much delighted to learn from the last VT issue about a useful Quenya preposition: _apa_ "touching, against", from the root *(A)PA "touch (not with ...
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Paul Svensson
paul-ling@...
Sep 6, 2002 2:32 pm
... This same apparent contradiction appears in some native American languages, but is simply a different view on time. Since you can see what's in front of...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Sep 6, 2002 4:35 pm
... Just as they have e.g. in English... "the world of those who will be after us still lies before us". "To judge afterwards what was before". _Before_ here...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Sep 6, 2002 9:10 pm
... **I see. However, it does not imply from the fact that _paju_ is never pronounced with [i] that the j and i are necessarily separate phonemes. Their...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Sep 6, 2002 9:11 pm
... **I see. Now I understand, because I misunderstood you a little bit: I thought you wanted to indicate a morpheme boundary by the hyphen in *_heru-yon_; it...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Sep 7, 2002 2:11 am
[Javier Lorenzo writes: ] I write to inform you about a possible typo in the last issue of _Vinyar Tengwar_ #44. It's stated in the last paragraph on page 35: ...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Sep 7, 2002 12:13 pm
... **In Finnish, the sound [ñ] occurs only before [k] (the voiced [g] is unknown in Finnish) or another [ñ], that is in a position where [n] is never...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Sep 7, 2002 3:06 pm
... I believe the term wanted is _allophone_, not allomorph.... Carl...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Sep 7, 2002 5:24 pm
Aiya! So it seems that we have three prepositions of similar meaning. _epe_ 1) "before" (*_A naa calima epe B_ - VT42:32, VT44:38) 2) "after" (_epesse_ -...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Sep 7, 2002 5:47 pm
If anyone is having trouble with accented characters and the like not displaying properly in your e-mail client, be aware that the fault lies in the poster's...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Sep 8, 2002 1:23 pm
In "Appendix E" of LR Tolkien informs us that V "has the sound of English v" in Quenya and Sindarin. Now, as is well known, the V of English is a voiced ...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Sep 8, 2002 2:02 pm
Just a couple of brief comments arising from Petri's latest post on the change of _w_ to _v_ in late Quenya: ... You mean "Vanyarin";, surely? ... The same...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Sep 8, 2002 2:03 pm
This discussion concerned, among other things, the interpretation of Tolkien's pencilled markings above the form _úcarer_ in At. V (VT43:12), with the...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Sep 8, 2002 8:04 pm
... [...] ... Yes, of course. ... By the way, if it wasn't enitrely clear, the sound W has never occurred in the development of Finnish from...
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Irene A Gates
112321.3163@...
Sep 9, 2002 11:51 am
... Before we start using it as data: do we know that the "_merin_" sentence (_merin sa haryalye alasse nó vanyalye Ambarello_ 'I hope that you have happiness...
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gentlebeldin
Sep 9, 2002 12:18 pm
Your [Petri Tikka's] examples are interesting, but the impression is slightly marred by a certain vagueness in terminology. Are you speaking of internal or...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Sep 9, 2002 1:43 pm
... I was speaking both of the internal and external devopment. "Mature Quenya" is a term based on Tolkien's assesment's that his early Qenya of the 1910s...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Sep 9, 2002 2:30 pm
Like Hans, I too find the term "mature" when applied to Tolkien's languages inadequate and best avoided. Even if it in fact reflects the opposite of Tolkien's...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Sep 9, 2002 6:52 pm
But what if the stages overlap? For example: Tolkien wrote Elessar's Coronation Oath (LR:946) in the late 40s. It was publised in the mid- 50s. In the mid-60s...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Sep 10, 2002 11:50 am
On Samstag, September 7, 2002, at 03:17 Uhr, Boris Shapiro [227] wrote: ... <snip> ... <snip> As Carl already mentioned, _apa_ in _apacenye_ is hardly...
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Hans
gentlebeldin
Sep 12, 2002 9:57 pm
... (VT44:36). ... I'd suggest to call it just "Quenya", then. OF COURSE, there is some element of continuity included! In fact, Quenya is (no matter whether...
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Tchitrec@...
tchitrec
Sep 13, 2002 3:12 am
Greetings ! This post is about the way some consonants were turned to vowels or diphthong elements during the evolution from Common Eldarin to Noldorin/ ...
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Hans Georg Lundahl
hglundahl
Sep 14, 2002 3:39 pm
Tchitrec@... skrev: CE _*juktâ-_ > ON _*juktha-_ > _*juchþa-_ > N _juiþa-_ , written _iuitha-_ "to employ [C. Tolkien hesitatingly reads "enjoy", but...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Sep 14, 2002 6:06 pm
On Samstag, September 14, 2002, at 05:02 Uhr, Hans Georg Lundahl [230] ... This may be relevant in this context: "To employ, use; enjoy" is exactly the range...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Sep 15, 2002 1:34 pm
I had forgotten that an interesting text by Tolkien discussing just this problem has been published, in Verlyn Flieger's fascinating book, _A Question of Time:...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Sep 15, 2002 7:57 pm
... **I think you are right: if [ñ] occured only before [k] in Finnish, it would be an allophone of /n/, but since it occurs also before another [ñ], it is a...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Sep 16, 2002 2:46 pm
Aiya! Do you have any ideas for a Quenya verbal intensive prefix? There used to be _a-_ in QL, but I do not remember whether it occurs in later sources....
