Greetings, Recently I was sorting some references to Tolkien's works when it came to me the following: in _Namaarie_ the adjectival case seems to be invariable...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Oct 1, 2002 8:08 pm
Aiya! What do you think is the exact meaning of the term "apposition" in that quote about the last declinable word ("...in the case of two declinable names in...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Oct 1, 2002 8:34 pm
Aiya! A line in VT43:14 puzzles me: "_na_ also has a subjunctive or imperative sense when preceding a verb". Could you explain what you mean by "subjunctive"...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Oct 2, 2002 2:26 pm
Aiya! Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 8:21:16 PM, CFH wrote: CFH> From the context, Tolkien's own note, and the examples given CFH> there, what is intended is...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Oct 2, 2002 5:40 pm
Aiya! CFH> [Inversions and other alterations of normal word order are among CFH> of the hallmarks of poetic diction. CFH] Yes, but regardless of word order...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Oct 2, 2002 6:14 pm
Aiya! Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 1:59:49 PM, Boris Shapiro wrote: CFH> [It was not said that the _na_ + verb construction is CFH> "conditional". It was said...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Oct 3, 2002 1:02 pm
Aiya! Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 7:55:40 PM, CFH wrote: CFH> But I would say that it may well be that imperative and hortatory CFH> subjunctive can and...
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Hans
gentlebeldin
Oct 3, 2002 1:03 pm
... Indeed, that's the source of the misunderstanding. Russian is a highly inflected language, but it doesn't distinguish between conditional and subjunctive....
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Oct 3, 2002 3:24 pm
In Germanic languages numerals that are plural in sense pluralize the noun they describe, e.g. _one book_ and _two books_. In Finnish numerals that are plural...
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Ben Echols
bene@...
Oct 3, 2002 8:44 pm
Hans wrote: H> If you want to see a working system with one conditional and two H> subjunctives, look at Italian. Another example is Spanish. It has one...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 4, 2002 12:02 pm
... Ben, I'm not sure what you mean by "one conditional" and "two subjunctives". Spanish (like every West-Romanic language, including, e.g. French) has a...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 4, 2002 12:04 pm
... Very interesting question. There a number of ways to handle this in different languages (branches). Altaic languages (e.g. Turkish or Korean) don't take...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Oct 4, 2002 3:17 pm
... No, there is actually evidence against that in _Emyn Arnen_ (LR:734), which is of unknown meaning, but presumably *'Hills of Royal Water'. _Arnen_ has a...
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Pavel Iosad
p_iosad
Oct 4, 2002 5:43 pm
Hello, ... First off, the second elements in genitive appositive constructions are not lenited, though that is not the matter. To the point, actually there is...
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Hans
gentlebeldin
Oct 4, 2002 9:40 pm
[OK, folks, let's bring this back to Tolkien's languages. CFH] ... I'm sorry, David, but I have to disagree. The German "würde" is a modern development,...
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Ben Echols
bene@...
Oct 4, 2002 9:44 pm
[I'm letting this through, but in general, follow-up messages of this sort, basically simply acknowledging a correction, will not be accepted on this list. Any...
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Hans
gentlebeldin
Oct 4, 2002 9:46 pm
... Of course, you meant "gen. sg." here (peschery). It's really interesting that Russian uses the genitive singular for small numbers, and it's still more...
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Hans
gentlebeldin
Oct 4, 2002 11:08 pm
... Er... yeah, I'm afraid this is a well-deserved rebuke. [I wouldn't call it a "rebuke", just a reminder that posts to this list are, according to the...
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Boris Shapiro
elenhil@...
Oct 5, 2002 12:50 pm
Aiya! Has anybody tried to make a list of Quenya 'basic' verbs (that end in a consonant)? Namaarie! S.Y., Elenhil Laiquendo...
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Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
Oct 5, 2002 9:56 pm
... Err, isn't it rather nom. pl. ? ... A: Philosophy is the making of significant distinctions. B: Why isn't that just taxonomy? A: Your question proves my...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Oct 5, 2002 10:06 pm
And while I'm on the topic of keeping the "signal-to-noise" ration high: While queries like Boris's are not prohibited on this list, I would like to keep them...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 6, 2002 11:49 am
-I'm sorry if this is drifting away from Quenya but my response will (hopefully) set some things straight. This will ultimately be beneficial for the...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Oct 6, 2002 11:52 am
In VT44:8 a suffix _-nde_ that forms nouns from verbs or verbal stems is mentioned. _arcande_ 'petition' < _arca-_ 'pray' (VT44:8), _ulunde_ 'flood' < ULU-...
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Tchitrec@...
tchitrec
Oct 6, 2002 3:49 pm
... invariable and _lisse-miruvooreva_ doesn't agree with _yuldar_; this is well known, but the really puzzling thing is: why? (...) ... indeclinable ... ...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Oct 6, 2002 4:44 pm
This is another reminder to be judicious when quoting a post to which you are responding. Please keep quoting to the minimum necessary to establish the context...
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Hans
gentlebeldin
Oct 6, 2002 7:49 pm
... Actually, that would contradict JRRT's words (XI:407) "Similarly with -va; but this was and remained an adjective, and had the plural form -ve in plural...
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Josu Gómez
josugp
Oct 6, 2002 11:56 pm
... Until we have actual examples of numbers as adjectives (a real text with _neldë coa/coar_ inside, for example), we can't provide a fruitful theory about...
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Yyr Threwn
Erestel
Oct 7, 2002 12:32 pm
We read in the last lines of VT 43, page 22: "_sahtienna_ (At. V) is explained in the etymological notes on the verso of At. V, which give the root THAG-...
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Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
Oct 8, 2002 2:23 am
David Kiltz wrote: DK> It would be interesting to see whether the _-uva_ forms are a "pure" DK> future tense or rather some kind of prospective. I have been...
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Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
Oct 8, 2002 2:27 am
Petri Tikka listed a number of nouns in _-nde_; see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lambengolmor/message/273 Would _loende_ also fit in? Lukas...
