... **You are right, thanks. Here, however, we cannot say the morphological module would give a form like *_léndie_ and the 'phonology proper' module would...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Mar 17, 2003 4:29 am
A careless mouse-click and I just accidentally approved a message (#360) from David Kiltz that requires some reformatting and has an incomplete paragraph. I've...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Mar 17, 2003 3:20 pm
... I will address this issue in a seperate post. ... I understand now. ... Again more on that seperately. ... Yes, I don't see how a labial could be anything...
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Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
Mar 17, 2003 8:48 pm
... AFAIK and hear, it is like [r], only the frequency of trilling is about thrice as high. I think that pronunciation as coarticulated [r] and [Z] would be...
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Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
Mar 17, 2003 11:58 pm
... Please excuse my amateur query: Would the distinction between Polish c-acute or s-acute and cz, sz respectively, be of the kind you're speaking about? ...
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laurifindil
Mar 19, 2003 6:42 pm
In a letter written to Peter Alford in the 50's and published on Internet on the site of Sotheby as 34NDL_L01321-550.jpg (letter already published ; cf....
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Mar 20, 2003 12:14 am
Edouard asks about a Tolkien autograph letter, offered by Sotheby's as part of Lot 550 of Sale L01321 (auctioned on Dec. 13, 2001), at this writing still...
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Beregond. Anders Sten...
j_beregond
Mar 20, 2003 12:20 am
Edouard Kloczko wrote about a letter from Tolkien to Peter Alford in 1958, in which the form _ómentie_ can be read on the picture published in the catalogue...
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laurifindil
Mar 20, 2003 1:30 pm
... But then why Tolkien did write _ómentie_ not _omentie_ next? [Presumably, Tolkien wrote _omentie-lma_ as the headword for this section of his analysis of...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 20, 2003 6:55 pm
... True, the short from of the prefix ó- in Quenya is due to the accent, as explained by Tolkien in _War of the Jewels_, p. 367. But the direct ancestor of...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Mar 20, 2003 7:38 pm
Hello, ... To which I hasten to add that Quenya possessed a strong, if lower in tone, initial stress, and even though in _ómentie_ it precedes the main ...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 21, 2003 12:40 pm
... Tolkien is quite careful when making his own "grammatical rules". He is writing for himself and appears to always let some "open doors" (as we say in ...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 21, 2003 12:46 pm
... Quite so, but I did not imply in my post that a word such as _ómentie_ was not possible in Quenya. My question is quite unrelated to the stress pattern...
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Hans Georg Lundahl
hglundahl
Mar 21, 2003 6:16 pm
Ecrit M. Kloczko: "My question is quite unrelated to the stress pattern itself, but to "why/how?" (?Old) Quenya _ómentie_ > Quenya _omentie_." Well - how come...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Mar 21, 2003 6:19 pm
... Ah, but you did, when you wrote yesterday (in message 369): "the direct ancestor of Q. _omentie_ could not have had a long ó, because the next following...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Mar 21, 2003 11:18 pm
... Indeed the Sindarin development may point to Telerin having dropped the lengthened form (while maintaining the distinction stressed/unstressed). The...
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Beregond. Anders Sten...
j_beregond
Mar 22, 2003 12:01 pm
... It is satisfactory to see the general coincidence of our readings, and also of our conjectures as to the hidden words. Carl's conjecture "understood" in...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 22, 2003 1:42 pm
... But Tolkien wrote "prefix _vó, vo-_" not "_vó_, prefix _vo-_". So far there isn't any Telerin text published with _vó_ used as a preposition. Edouard...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 22, 2003 2:11 pm
... That is not how I interpret the text in WJ. The root in CE is written _WO_ with a short _o_. The usual lengthening of _o_ is presented as a development in ...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 22, 2003 2:15 pm
... _mammilla_ > _mamilla_ shows the usual and well known Latin internal geminated consonant simplification after a long vowel, as _*seddolod_ > _sedulo_; or ...
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Hans Georg Lundahl
hglundahl
Mar 22, 2003 4:46 pm
... Pas du tout. Not at all. The vowels in _mamilla_ are all short. Just like the vowels in primitive _mamma_ (which does not mean 'mother', but if I recall...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Mar 22, 2003 6:13 pm
... Edouard is correct that the root *WO (XI:367; no CE prefix form *_wo-_ is actually cited there) underlying the Quenya prefix _ó-_ / _o-_ is not stated in...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Mar 23, 2003 9:49 pm
... Yes, indeed. I saw that also. The idea is that he might have meant to say _vó_ prefix _vo-_. As Carl points out, the latter is how Tolkien usually...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Mar 28, 2003 3:57 pm
I wrote that the Gnomish (PE11) and Qenya (PE12) Lexicons are out of print (PE13 is now out of stock, too) and Carl Hostetter ... **These two questions were...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Mar 28, 2003 3:59 pm
... **Judging from _Elenna.nóreo_ in CO, I suppose it would be something like _Elenna.nórenna_, i.e. some additional word (here _nóre_ "land") would be...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Mar 29, 2003 2:04 pm
... Wouldn't that yield _kumpa_ rather than _kumna_ ? [Not necessarily. The _Etym._ gives instances of _*pn_ > _mn_ in Quenya, notably Q. _telemna_ 'silver'...
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Petri Tikka
petristikka
Mar 30, 2003 2:45 am
Aiya! Harri Perälä notes on his study about Finnish and Quenya "Are High Elves Finno-Ugric?" (http://www.sci.fi/%7ealboin/finn_que.htm) that "...Tolkien ...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 30, 2003 6:58 pm
... It is useless, I believe, to seek Finnish loan-words in Tolkien's languages because these are mere coincidence and do not help to explain the meaning of...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Mar 30, 2003 9:02 pm
... It is abundantly clear that Tolkien's languages feature a number of words identical in sound and meaning to those of real world languages. These may not be...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Mar 31, 2003 12:58 am
... Not exactly. ;-) It is impossible, as I see it, to determine when the Word is voluntarily made by Tolkien to resemble a Word in a Real language or if it is...
