... Both true statements. It just makes one (perhaps just me as I know much less than I wish ;)) wonder whether these similarities might also be misleading....
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Nov 5, 2003 7:37 pm
... I think Pavel has demonstrated to satisfaction that there is no simple answer to that question - either Tolkien changed the rules, or the rules are, well, ...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 5, 2003 7:28 pm
... Certainly they are separate entities. Yet, I believe it is justified to compare them because they are 'genetically' related. The typological difference...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 5, 2003 7:21 pm
... Not that I know of, if you mean something like +"I, Narvi has made them" but cf. below for a possible explanation. To me it seems that as the primary...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Nov 5, 2003 4:42 pm
... Oh, I quite agree. I was not trying to imply such. But it is good to see that we agree that _im_ could very well be an emphatic form. ... Yes, and _anim_...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Nov 5, 2003 4:24 pm
... I think _im_ is here treated as the determiner of _Narvi_, so I find it quite possible that _Narvi_ would be the "true" antecedent. I don't think it's...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 5, 2003 4:03 pm
... Well, we have _anim_ 'for myself' [LRIII:423] and again in the above sentence Tolkien translates _im_ as 'I', also, in Luthien's chant we find "...le...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Nov 5, 2003 12:42 pm
Question: are there any known primary world languages that, in a construction like "I, Narvi, made ...", would use a 3rd sg verb, because the appositional noun...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Nov 5, 2003 1:26 am
Andreas Johansson wrote: "This would seem to suggest that it is better thought of as a cliticized pronoun than a person agreement marker." Yes I quite agree....
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Calwen Rudh
calwen76
Nov 5, 2003 12:44 am
Yesterday night I was thinking of the Noldorin word _nad_ 'thing' (Etym. s.v. NÂ2-) and it came to me that it could be a gerund form of a verb *_na-_ 'to be':...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Nov 4, 2003 12:09 pm
... Indeed it does. (Standard disclaimer; in at least one moment in time, Tolkien appears to have envisioned Sindarin not to work like I assumed!) But as "Im...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 3, 2003 1:46 am
... I think it is very relevant as we are dealing with two different entities. Clearly, they coincide in form (seemingly, I'll write more on that later) but...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Nov 2, 2003 6:17 pm
Hello, ... [...] So would I. This is indeed a question of terminology. Personally, I'd vote for 'unmarked' or '{un|under}specified'. It would mean that an ...
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kyrmse
Oct 30, 2003 2:54 pm
To all those interested in JRRT's tengwar usage when writing in English (_not_ OE), I have put up an analysis at my Gondolin website ...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Oct 30, 2003 2:53 pm
In regard to the "'controversy'" whether Sindarin verbs with no person marker present should better be called "3rd.sg." forms or "personless" forms, I'd like ...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 30, 2003 1:25 pm
In #3 of Hiswelóke (http://move.to/hisweloke) Didier Willis published an analysis of a Noldorin sentence found on an early sketch of Thror's Map. The phrase...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 30, 2003 1:08 pm
I'm coming back to a question already discussed earlier. ... I cannot find this attested, as the entry in The Etymologies [V:360] sub 3AR- simply translates...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Oct 29, 2003 2:59 am
Helge Fauskanger has incorporated rejoinders to various posts I have made on this list (and others) into revisions to his article, "Reconstructing the Sindarin...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Oct 28, 2003 7:44 pm
[cross-posted to elfling, lambengolmor and tolklang] I would like to inform you that I have revised my analysis of the so-called _Atalante_ fragments. There...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 28, 2003 7:42 pm
... Well, a little misunderstanding then. That was really the question for me. As, apart from the ending _-en_ which isn't clear, S. _ón-_ may just as well be...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Oct 28, 2003 3:50 pm
... Or even *_agoron_, of course (depending on whether the stem-vowel *_-a_ was or was not lengthened before the 1 sg. ending). -- ...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 28, 2003 3:27 pm
... The question is whether the 1. sg. of S. _agor_ could have been _*agoren_. [I don't think that was the question, really; the question was whether S _ónen_...
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Tchitrec@...
tchitrec
Oct 27, 2003 1:02 am
I would like to discuss a phonetic problem raised by the well-known Sindarin word _certh_ "rune". Its presumed etymology is given in XI/396 : "The Sindarin ...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Oct 21, 2003 11:47 pm
... Tolkien's remark is quite relevant to my scheme. It was written a few years after "Quendi and Eldar", that much is true, but it does not contradict the...
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Edward J. Kloczko
laurifindil
Oct 20, 2003 12:56 pm
... In XII:357 (n.18) Tolkien gives the meaning in Valarin of _aman, man_ as :"The Valarin element _aman, man_ 'blessed, holy' learned from Oromë". ...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Oct 19, 2003 3:40 pm
A reminder to all members to please post messages to this list in either ISO Latin 1 or UTF-8 encoding. Otherwise, any non-ASCII characters in your messages...
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Robert Wilson
han_solo_55
Oct 19, 2003 1:09 pm
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:00:16 -0000 "Patrick H. Wynne" <pwynne@...> ... I have noted this resemblance, and several others between Khuzdul and Valarin: ...
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Patrick H. Wynne
pa2rick
Oct 18, 2003 4:08 pm
Didier has proposed that Valarin _Amanaiâl_ in _Ațâraphelûn Amanaiâl_ 'Arda Unmarred' actually means *'blessed' rather than 'unmarred', and that V....
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Didier Willis
hisweloke
Oct 18, 2003 3:27 am
In Elvish theology, it is well known that the current state of Arda, resulting from its corruption by Melkor is "Arda Marred", _Arda Sahta_ in one source...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 17, 2003 2:31 pm
... I think it's possible to interpret _onen_ (LR:1036) as < *_a-ân-en_ suggesting that _-e_ was at least at home in the 1sg. Perhaps we even have to posit an...
