I would like to discuss a phonetic problem raised by the well-known Sindarin word _certh_ "rune". Its presumed etymology is given in XI/396 : "The Sindarin ...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 28, 2003 3:27 pm
... The question is whether the 1. sg. of S. _agor_ could have been _*agoren_. [I don't think that was the question, really; the question was whether S _ónen_...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Oct 28, 2003 3:50 pm
... Or even *_agoron_, of course (depending on whether the stem-vowel *_-a_ was or was not lengthened before the 1 sg. ending). -- ...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 28, 2003 7:42 pm
... Well, a little misunderstanding then. That was really the question for me. As, apart from the ending _-en_ which isn't clear, S. _ón-_ may just as well be...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Oct 28, 2003 7:44 pm
[cross-posted to elfling, lambengolmor and tolklang] I would like to inform you that I have revised my analysis of the so-called _Atalante_ fragments. There...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Oct 29, 2003 2:59 am
Helge Fauskanger has incorporated rejoinders to various posts I have made on this list (and others) into revisions to his article, "Reconstructing the Sindarin...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 30, 2003 1:08 pm
I'm coming back to a question already discussed earlier. ... I cannot find this attested, as the entry in The Etymologies [V:360] sub 3AR- simply translates...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Oct 30, 2003 1:25 pm
In #3 of Hiswelóke (http://move.to/hisweloke) Didier Willis published an analysis of a Noldorin sentence found on an early sketch of Thror's Map. The phrase...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Oct 30, 2003 2:53 pm
In regard to the "'controversy'" whether Sindarin verbs with no person marker present should better be called "3rd.sg." forms or "personless" forms, I'd like ...
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kyrmse
Oct 30, 2003 2:54 pm
To all those interested in JRRT's tengwar usage when writing in English (_not_ OE), I have put up an analysis at my Gondolin website ...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Nov 2, 2003 6:17 pm
Hello, ... [...] So would I. This is indeed a question of terminology. Personally, I'd vote for 'unmarked' or '{un|under}specified'. It would mean that an ...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 3, 2003 1:46 am
... I think it is very relevant as we are dealing with two different entities. Clearly, they coincide in form (seemingly, I'll write more on that later) but...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Nov 4, 2003 12:09 pm
... Indeed it does. (Standard disclaimer; in at least one moment in time, Tolkien appears to have envisioned Sindarin not to work like I assumed!) But as "Im...
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Calwen Rudh
calwen76
Nov 5, 2003 12:44 am
Yesterday night I was thinking of the Noldorin word _nad_ 'thing' (Etym. s.v. NÂ2-) and it came to me that it could be a gerund form of a verb *_na-_ 'to be':...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Nov 5, 2003 1:26 am
Andreas Johansson wrote: "This would seem to suggest that it is better thought of as a cliticized pronoun than a person agreement marker." Yes I quite agree....
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Nov 5, 2003 12:42 pm
Question: are there any known primary world languages that, in a construction like "I, Narvi, made ...", would use a 3rd sg verb, because the appositional noun...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 5, 2003 4:03 pm
... Well, we have _anim_ 'for myself' [LRIII:423] and again in the above sentence Tolkien translates _im_ as 'I', also, in Luthien's chant we find "...le...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Nov 5, 2003 4:24 pm
... I think _im_ is here treated as the determiner of _Narvi_, so I find it quite possible that _Narvi_ would be the "true" antecedent. I don't think it's...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Nov 5, 2003 4:42 pm
... Oh, I quite agree. I was not trying to imply such. But it is good to see that we agree that _im_ could very well be an emphatic form. ... Yes, and _anim_...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 5, 2003 7:21 pm
... Not that I know of, if you mean something like +"I, Narvi has made them" but cf. below for a possible explanation. To me it seems that as the primary...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 5, 2003 7:28 pm
... Certainly they are separate entities. Yet, I believe it is justified to compare them because they are 'genetically' related. The typological difference...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Nov 5, 2003 7:37 pm
... I think Pavel has demonstrated to satisfaction that there is no simple answer to that question - either Tolkien changed the rules, or the rules are, well, ...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Nov 5, 2003 10:07 pm
... Both true statements. It just makes one (perhaps just me as I know much less than I wish ;)) wonder whether these similarities might also be misleading....
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 6, 2003 11:54 am
... I perfectly agree. I adduced Q. _inye_ etc. solely because you had suggested that a 1. sg. in Sindarin should be _ni-_ referring to the entry NI2- in _The...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Nov 6, 2003 5:14 pm
... Quite. 'Seemingly reversible' might have been better. I meant to say that _iN_ (N = any nasal) is quite possible, whatever the exact process that leads to...
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cgilson75
Nov 9, 2003 3:16 pm
... [...] ... Specifically, Tolkien would have encountered this Celtic etymology in J. Morris Jones's _Welsh Grammar_ (pp. 17, 150), with mention also of a...
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Arden R. Smith
erilaz7
Nov 9, 2003 6:05 pm
... You got the idea, Chris. Turunen's statement means: "a name [or term] connected with either Baltic, cf. Lithuanian _kãnklis_, or original [i.e. native...
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kyrmse
Nov 11, 2003 4:02 am
Version 3, revised after very instructive discussions with several tolkiendili, has been published at http://www.geocities.com/otsoandor/FTMME.htm...
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Jerome Colburn
jcolburn@...
Nov 12, 2003 12:23 pm
... ...well, perhaps more likely, "I, myself, write inscriptions," "I, myself, am writing this inscription," or "I, myself, wrote this inscription." But...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Nov 14, 2003 6:46 pm
There has been further discussion of the Noldorin past-tense verb _mudas_ *'laboured, toiled', continuing topics first broached on this list, on the Elfling...
