The contrastive forms _olos_ and _olor_ can be explained with ease in two different ways: A) originally _olos_ gets its final _s_ voiced in position before...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Jan 4, 2004 1:47 am
... Well, as there's to the very best of my knowledge no (other) Q word with a gamma in it, it would rather surpise me. And _g_>_gh_>_y_ is hardly very odd. ...
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Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
Jan 4, 2004 1:49 am
I have always supposed that the form _olor_ arose by analogy with the other cases (comp. Latin _honos_/_honor_) . This seems to me to be the most natural...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Jan 4, 2004 1:57 am
I have recently specified a set of standard Conventions and Abbreviations guide for the web-journal _Tengwestië_, and would like to use the same for this list...
574
Darrell Martin
forbarad
Jan 4, 2004 12:54 pm
Greetings: If one wished to test a hypothesis that some invented Tolkien language I is "based on" some primary-world language P, how ought one go about it? ...
575
Helios De Rosario Mar...
helios_drm
Jan 4, 2004 11:57 pm
Thank you all (specially to Ales) for your comments on the matter of rhotacism. I find them very instructive and helpful. Some time ago I started to write an...
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Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
Jan 5, 2004 12:49 pm
... Perhaps because of the difference of the stress pattern? In "felga>felya" the "felg>fely" syllable is stressed, whereas in "ulgundo>ulundo" the "ulg>ul"...
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Edouard Kloczko
laurifindil
Jan 5, 2004 12:50 pm
... <snip> ... I read here "originally occurring in Quenya" as meaning "originally occurring in Common Eldarin (?)or/and Primitive Quendian", e.g. *not* in ...
578
Helios De Rosario Mar...
helios_drm
Jan 5, 2004 12:55 pm
... A fellow of the Lambenor list has already pointed that actually I am wrong, since the _r_ in those samples are always trilled (with various lengths, but...
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Helios De Rosario Mar...
helios_drm
Jan 5, 2004 3:56 pm
... That was also the idea I wrote in my previous post. But how do you know that the "weak" _r_ did not exist in the Quenya of Aman? We know that Quenya...
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Aaron Shaw
maethorgalad
Jan 6, 2004 12:55 am
Greetings everyone :) I would like to announce the publication of a new essay regarding the syntax of Sindarin on my website I-Lam Arth. Being a co-author of...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Jan 6, 2004 1:22 am
... I'd rather expect the words to syllabify as fel.ya and u.lun.do, respectively, but the idea that the difference is due to the difference in stress might be...
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Hans Georg Lundahl
hglundahl
Jan 6, 2004 1:28 am
As far as I can see, unless my memory fails me - confining my knowledge to appendices of _LotR_ - the _rómen_ is an R as pronounced in _perro_ in Castille and...
583
Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Jan 6, 2004 1:31 am
... **As I am very interested in these matters (indeed I have spent a lot of time thinking about Quenya phonetics and phonology recently), is it possible for...
584
Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Jan 6, 2004 1:35 am
... **So would it surprise me. I did not want to say that it should really be a gamma but the development in QPh I mentioned last time (i.e. _r<gamma>_ ... **I...
585
Doug Pearson
dougpearsont...
Jan 6, 2004 1:13 pm
... [snip] ... Not in "American"; English: both _h_s are voiced and sound identical. It seems strange that Tolkien, (who I assume would differentiate these...
586
mach
machhezan
Jan 6, 2004 1:44 pm
... Why would Feanor create a letter for a sound he didn't use? Sure, he also created letters for aspirated sounds, but I guess this was rather because these...
587
Helios De Rosario Mar...
helios_drm
Jan 6, 2004 1:46 pm
... [snip] ... Of course. I will translate the text (I wrote it in Spanish) and then post it. But it will be in another post (it is quite long). ... Yes, so it...
588
Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Jan 6, 2004 1:51 pm
... Because I'm a dudhead, I forgot to mention you get rG > rj also in Swedish. I'm not sufficiently into the phonological development of my native language to...
589
David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Jan 6, 2004 1:54 pm
... Laurence J. Krieg provided us with an accurate transcription of recordings (made in 1952) where J.R.R. Tolkien reads, inter alia, 'Namárie' and 'A...
590
Patrick H. Wynne
pa2rick
Jan 6, 2004 2:14 pm
At the end of his post (589) "Re: Pronunciation and writing of _r_ in Quenya" David Kiltz wrote: "A guttural approximant or fricative might also be...
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Eddin Najetovic
eldin_of_cui...
Jan 6, 2004 2:20 pm
... So subtle even that the IPA does not use different symbols to spell them... though of course you are right. ... As a matter of fact I am quite certain that...
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Carl F. Hostetter
endorendil
Jan 6, 2004 3:08 pm
A reminder to contributors about two stylistic points from the guidelines for this list (<http://www.elvish.org/LambengolmorList/>): 1) Excessive quotation:...
593
Helios De Rosario Mar...
helios_drm
Jan 6, 2004 10:21 pm
As I told before because of Ales' request, I have translated the section on the variants of _r_, of the article about the _r_ in Quenya that I am editing for...
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David Kiltz
tarhuntassas
Jan 6, 2004 10:21 pm
... In addition to Andreas Johansson's examples from Swedish, I might add that in some German dialects the same happens. In the Rhineland area you have /ju:t/...
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Edouard Kloczko
laurifindil
Jan 6, 2004 10:37 pm
That idea, that a special dialect of Quenya was spoken in T.A., is in my opinion false. Tolkien never wrote "Third Age Quenya" in Appendix E (or F). What he...
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Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Jan 6, 2004 10:48 pm
I wrote that my opinion was that by 'untrilled' _r_ Tolkien had meant a tap/flap (occurring in Spanish) and not an approximant (occurring in English). ... ...
597
Ales Bican
Ales_Bican
Jan 6, 2004 10:54 pm
To my note that Tolkien was not always accurate in App. E, e.g. when he stated that Quenya _h_ was pronounced as _h_ in English 'house' (pronounced with a...
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Andreas Johansson
andjo@...
Jan 6, 2004 10:56 pm
... What is the difference between a long and a geminate trill? Andreas...
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Hans Georg Lundahl
hglundahl
Jan 6, 2004 11:05 pm
... In Swedish, the common pronunciation of _hj_ and _hv_ (very few dialects apart) has for centuries been _j_ ("y" in French/Spanish/English) and _v_, but...
