Ralph:
Since attendance seems to be an issue with the monthly meetings, why not change
to a
quarterly meeting schedule and have "virtual" meetings (e.g., chat rooms) or
online type
meetings like WebEx (if a cheaper alternative exists) to hold discussions
online.  It seems
to me that if the meetings were less frequent, perhaps you might get a larger
turn out
when the meetings actually occur.

Just my two cents.

Derek


--- In lapug@yahoogroups.com, Allan Boodnick <drallanb2@...> wrote:
>
> Ralph:
>
> Your decision seems reasonable and warranted.  It's a shame, since our history
was so
great. THANKS for trying to resuscitate the patient!
>
> Best,
> Allan
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Ralph Alvy <ralph@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
> > Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] November meeting
> > To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 6:39 PM
> > ClearSync just asked me about the size of the meeting. They
> > said they were
> > "still willing to give a demonstration, but
> > considering the significant time
> > commitment, there would need to be a fair sized
> > audience."
> >
> > I replied as follows:
> >
> > "Given the small numbers attending lately, I'm
> > going to have to cancel this
> > speaker engagement. I would hate to have you come out for
> > this, and have
> > only a handful attend. Palm User Groups are just not what
> > they used to be."
> >
> > So we will not have a speaker for November. I am leaning
> > towards stopping
> > the meetings. We only had 4 people attend the last meeting,
> > and that number
> > includes me.
> >
> > Ralph
>

Ralph:

Your decision seems reasonable and warranted.  It's a shame, since our history
was so great. THANKS for trying to resuscitate the patient!

Best,
Allan


--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Ralph Alvy <ralph@...> wrote:

> From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
> Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] November meeting
> To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 6:39 PM
> ClearSync just asked me about the size of the meeting. They
> said they were
> "still willing to give a demonstration, but
> considering the significant time
> commitment, there would need to be a fair sized
> audience."
>
> I replied as follows:
>
> "Given the small numbers attending lately, I'm
> going to have to cancel this
> speaker engagement. I would hate to have you come out for
> this, and have
> only a handful attend. Palm User Groups are just not what
> they used to be."
>
> So we will not have a speaker for November. I am leaning
> towards stopping
> the meetings. We only had 4 people attend the last meeting,
> and that number
> includes me.
>
> Ralph

Willi,



Nice to see you found our group. We recreated this group in October of last
year. We had a handful of meetings around that time where about 10 people
attended. Meetings slowly dropped to an average of about 6 people or so. We
had our first speaker in May, when AT&T came and talked about their
Blackberry line. About 20 attended. That was followed by small meetings
again (4-6 people).



In September, Sprint spoke about a myriad of things. Only 8 attended. In
October, only 4 attended.



Ralph



From: lapug@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lapug@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
willi_chan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:38 PM
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] Re: Critical question regarding meetings



Realizing that I am new to this group ...

If your average turnout is low, it would make sense to hold off on
scheduling guests. If your average turnout is around 20 or better,
you can chalk the low turnout to a fluke.

What is your normal turnout for meetings?





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Maybe it is a sign of the times.  As you know I attended the LAPUG Apple meeting
the Monday folowing our Palm meeting.  Mike O'Kane with whom I attended said
that the meeting used to be packed BUT only about 10 people were in attendance. 
Even though I have switched to the iPhone I plan to continue attending the Palm
Meetings.  You are doing a great job.  Maybe we could combine both meetings, if
that is possible.  Roger


Roger MacEwen
 
LIVE WELL,
LOVE MUCH,
LAUGH OFTEN.

--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Ralph Alvy <ralph@...> wrote:

From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] November meeting
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 11:39 AM

ClearSync just asked me about the size of the meeting. They said they were
"still willing to give a demonstration, but considering the significant
time
commitment, there would need to be a fair sized audience."

I replied as follows:

"Given the small numbers attending lately, I'm going to have to cancel
this
speaker engagement. I would hate to have you come out for this, and have
only a handful attend. Palm User Groups are just not what they used to
be."

So we will not have a speaker for November. I am leaning towards stopping
the meetings. We only had 4 people attend the last meeting, and that number
includes me.

Ralph


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links





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Just a note to introduce myself to the group.

My name is David Williams.  I live in Torrance.

I was a happy Visor Pro user for a long time, until it was stolen.
After smarting from the loss for a while, I got a nice deal on a
Japanese M515.  (Yes, I speak Japanese, and can read and write a bit)
After a few years, my battery life is down to 6 hours, so I keep it
cradled mostly, but can't bear the thought of parting with it.

I had a Treo 650 for a short while.  I hated the keyboard, hated the
loss of the grafiti area, and hated all the bugs and constant resets.
  It was kind of crappy as phones go too.  Sold it to an acquaintance
(never to a friend).

I am looking into sticking an old Nokia phone battery into the m515 as
a replacement for the factory one.  Just need to find where I stashed
away my soldering iron.

I am wary of getting any of the new Palm (or rather Access) OS phones.
  I have been looking at the ones guys at my office have, and still
don't really like them as phones.  I think I still like my PDA
separate.  Most of the Palm users at my office seem to agree,
especially the Treo users.  The only people at the office that say
they like the PDA and phone combined are the younger people who use
them for playing music and surfing the web, but don't really use the
PIM features.

I look forward to interacting with the group.

BTW, does anyone know where I can get my hands on a copy of JackFlash
or JackSprat?  I would really like to customize the ROM on my m515
with my most used apps, against the now frequent battery dropouts.  I
have been searching the web for some time, but only find links back
the the now defunct author's site.  (I found this group quite by
accident during one of my searches just today)

Realizing that I am new to this group ...

If your average turnout is low, it would make sense to hold off on
scheduling guests.  If your average turnout is around 20 or better,
you can chalk the low turnout to a fluke.

What is your normal turnout for meetings?

ClearSync just asked me about the size of the meeting. They said they were
"still willing to give a demonstration, but considering the significant time
commitment, there would need to be a fair sized audience."

I replied as follows:

"Given the small numbers attending lately, I'm going to have to cancel this
speaker engagement. I would hate to have you come out for this, and have
only a handful attend. Palm User Groups are just not what they used to be."

So we will not have a speaker for November. I am leaning towards stopping
the meetings. We only had 4 people attend the last meeting, and that number
includes me.

Ralph

Thanks for the nice note, Jan. I'll probably stop the meetings here after
the December meeting if attendance remains low. We'll see.



From: lapug@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lapug@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jan
C.
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:00 AM
To: LAPalmUG
Subject: Re: [Los Angeles PUG] Meeting this Saturday



Hi, Ralph.

Thanks for the notice about the meeting Saturday. Unfortunately I won't be
able to make it. It's very frustrating for me to have such a nice group
right here at Village Park and yet I usually can't be there. And even so,
my heart is no longer with the Palm even though it does databases which a
new iPhone would not do. It saddens me that the Palm was not kept up to
date, especially in relation with a Mac computer. And now an iPhone is most
enticing. I haven't bought anything new yet - still use the Palm, an iPod
and a primitive cell phone.

I can appreciate what you are going thru keeping the group rolling and maybe
I'll get there one day. You are a good citizen to be doing it. You can
keep me on the list - or not. I certainly wish you good luck..

Jan Chesne







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Hi, Ralph.

Thanks for the notice about the meeting Saturday.  Unfortunately I won't be
able to make it.  It's very frustrating for me to have such a nice group
right here at Village Park and yet I usually can't be there.  And even so,
my heart is no longer with the Palm even though it does databases which a
new iPhone would not do.  It saddens me that the Palm was not kept up to
date, especially in relation with a Mac computer.  And now an iPhone is most
enticing.  I haven't bought anything new yet - still use the Palm, an iPod
and a primitive cell phone.

I can appreciate what you are going thru keeping the group rolling and maybe
I'll get there one day.  You are a good citizen to be doing it.   You can
keep me on the list - or not.   I certainly wish you good luck..

Jan Chesne











on 10/9/08 4:04 PM, Ralph Alvy at ralph@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Don't forget we're having a meeting this Saturday, Oct 11, at 10:30am, at
> the usual place. Please email me privately if you need location information.
>
> Ralph Alvy
> ralph@... <mailto:ralph%40ralphalvy.com>
> ___
> Sent with SnapperMail
> on a Palm Centro
>
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Don't forget we're having a meeting this Saturday, Oct 11, at 10:30am, at
the usual place. Please email me privately if you need location information.

Ralph Alvy
ralph@...
___
Sent with SnapperMail
on a Palm Centro

Unfortunately, I cannot make it.

Curt

Please count me in!
DrGreg
 Life is short-Live Naked!!



----- Original Message ----
From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:47:16 PM
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] October 11 Meeting Information


We are still having a meeting on Saturday, October 11, as planned. However,
the Verizon speaker, scheduled for that meeting, has cancelled. He said he
might have to cancel, and would give us 2 weeks notice, which he did. For
now, I'm planning on keeping the meetings going, at least through the end of
the year. We do have a speaker scheduled for November, from ClearSync. If
attendance looks like it'll be bleak for that meeting, I may cancel him.
Show up on Oct 11 and show interest!

Ralph






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ralph, I plan on attending.  I will also bring Michael O'Kane and his Kyocera.
Roger


Roger MacEwen
 
LIVE WELL,
LOVE MUCH,
LAUGH OFTEN.

--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Ralph Alvy <ralph@...> wrote:

From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] October 11 Meeting Information
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 4:47 PM

We are still having a meeting on Saturday, October 11, as planned. However,
the Verizon speaker, scheduled for that meeting, has cancelled. He said he
might have to cancel, and would give us 2 weeks notice, which he did. For
now, I'm planning on keeping the meetings going, at least through the end
of
the year. We do have a speaker scheduled for November, from ClearSync. If
attendance looks like it'll be bleak for that meeting, I may cancel him.
Show up on Oct 11 and show interest!

Ralph


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We are still having a meeting on Saturday, October 11, as planned. However,
the Verizon speaker, scheduled for that meeting, has cancelled. He said he
might have to cancel, and would give us 2 weeks notice, which he did. For
now, I'm planning on keeping the meetings going, at least through the end of
the year. We do have a speaker scheduled for November, from ClearSync. If
attendance looks like it'll be bleak for that meeting, I may cancel him.
Show up on Oct 11 and show interest!

Ralph

Thanks for keeping it going, Ralph.  I'm very much in favor of
continuing to have speakers.  Though I haven't attended a meeting in
an embarrassingly long time (Westwood), I would have attended the
9/13 meeting, as you know, if I had been in town.  Whereas my
schedule is simply too packed to indulge my own hobby interest in
PDAs, it's easy for me to justify the time when enterprise-level
presentations take place.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this.  Understanding how close-knit LAPUG
is, I suggest that a little strategic outreach might serve the group
on certain occasions.  Not sure of a general method to implement it,
but word of mouth to members' IT staff associates might stimulate
participation.

Just a thought,
Jed Pauker

I've been a member since Ted started the group at the college in Playa Del Rey
and then when Rusty took it over.  I've gone from Torrance to the meetngs in
Westwood, Hollywood and the Valley.  I love the Palm format and have had various
models of PDAs and Palm smartphones.  I feel the current meetings continue to be
informative and a great chance to meet others with like interests. 
 
However, I  feel Palm has let us loyal users down by not continuing to provide
new and innovative Palm OS products.  No wonder the iPhone, Instinct and
Blackberries are thriving.  Our loyal Palm users are abandoning the fellowship
for newer products.  It is wonderful to see people at the meetings still using
Palm PDAs and Michael O'Kane with his Kyocera still working.
 
I still have my Treo 650 but alas have also bought the iPhone.  I love them
both.
 
I too feel badly at the minimal attendance but I will continue to attend the
meetings.  Thank you for being the host and hope the meetings continue.
 
Thank you, Roger


Roger MacEwen
 
LIVE WELL,
LOVE MUCH,
LAUGH OFTEN.

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Ralph Alvy <ralph@...> wrote:

From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] Critical question regarding meetings
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:35 AM

Well, we had a great talk by our Sprint rep, Mike Blecher. I loved it.
But only 8 people attended. We had plenty of advance notice for
everyone, including a posting on PalmInfoCenter.com. He even gave away a
new Palm Centro, which was also announced beforehand in this group.

I really don't mind keeping the meetings going when only a handful of
people show up, when we don't have a speaker. I do get something out of
small groups of people discussing what they're doing with their handheld
devices. I look forward to that. But it's rather embarrassing when a
speaker representing a major company takes the time to come here on a
Saturday morning, and only 8 members show up.

I'm not sure it makes sense to pursue speakers for our meetings at this
point. We thought it might reinvigorate the group. I'm doubting it. What
do other think here?

Ralph

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links





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I too regret missing the September meeting.  You don't need to hear my excuse
but I hope that the meetings will continue and sufficient notice is given to
calendar far enough in advance.
If attendance is low, then perhaps the meeting should merely continue on-line
with messages from Yahoo Groups.
I fondly still remember our meetings in Hollywood and Westwood in bookstores
trading Apps.
Jeffrey






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All:

You all may be interested (if no one has posted yet) that www.PalmGear.com
is back online.

-Jhon

Yes I meant every other month.  My thought was that it may encourage more
attendees that live farther, time with family, or have reduced their driving
due to costs.

I agree with you to an extent regarding your comment that this past meeting
essentially was 'every other month.'  As you know I have always driven a
distance to meetings and it isn't often that I miss a meeting even though I
live about 25 miles away.

Yes I feel disappointed that attendance is low even though you and I have
made the most effort in getting speakers for our recent meetings.  Our
recent speakers have even provided great drawing prizes.  I realize that for
any organization to survive, there must be participation through attendance
and ideally in an active manner.

If the next meeting is low in attendance, then I regretfully say we call it
quits.  All those that have made comments and haven't attended or rarely
attend will have no say.

   _____

From: lapug@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lapug@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ralph Alvy
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:21 PM
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Los Angeles PUG] Critical question regarding meetings



I assume you meant "every other month". I've thought of that, but don't
see why that would attract more people. We didn't meet in August, so
this last meeting was essentially "every other month."

Aaron G. K. Chang wrote:
>
>
> Ralph,
>
> Perhaps meeting other month or quarterly should be considered...
>
> Aaron






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I assume you meant "every other month". I've thought of that, but don't
see why that would attract more people. We didn't meet in August, so
this last meeting was essentially "every other month."

Aaron G. K. Chang wrote:
>
>
> Ralph,
>
> Perhaps meeting other month or quarterly should be considered...
>
> Aaron

Ralph,

Perhaps meeting other month or quarterly should be considered...

Aaron

   _____

From: lapug@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lapug@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ralph Alvy
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:36 AM
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] Critical question regarding meetings



Well, we had a great talk by our Sprint rep, Mike Blecher. I loved it.
But only 8 people attended. We had plenty of advance notice for
everyone, including a posting on PalmInfoCenter.com. He even gave away a
new Palm Centro, which was also announced beforehand in this group.

I really don't mind keeping the meetings going when only a handful of
people show up, when we don't have a speaker. I do get something out of
small groups of people discussing what they're doing with their handheld
devices. I look forward to that. But it's rather embarrassing when a
speaker representing a major company takes the time to come here on a
Saturday morning, and only 8 members show up.

I'm not sure it makes sense to pursue speakers for our meetings at this
point. We thought it might reinvigorate the group. I'm doubting it. What
do other think here?

Ralph





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I remember that this is the Los Angeles PALM Users Group.
It's understandable that we are now also involved with the cellular phone users
that have Palm OS.

It does however sometimes feel off topic to me when we get more focus on
Cellular service providers.  I admit I am unsure how to direct a change towards
the Palm OS, or even if that is where the people on this list want to go.  I'd
like to see plenty of feedback on this topic.  Right now, Ralph must feel
discouraged.

I want to come to each meeting, Ralph you ARE doing a good job!  Like others,
I'm feeling the pinch in the economy, politics, cost of fuel, etc., etc.   I
still have some goodies in my trunk for a certain Keyocera 7135 user.  I'll make
it back to a meeting, I promise.  My front yard will just have to be adrift in
leaves for another weekend.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ralph -

I had every plan to attend the meeting but at the last minute could not.
Now I feel badly to have aided in a bad showing.

The Palm OS seems a bit under siege and while I am happy with my Treo have
to face the alternatives gains in market share.  Not ready to jump ship but
am keeping an eye on how the OS war plays out.



James Finlay

612 Victoria Av, #A

Venice, CA 90291

Cell/hm 310 821 4328

James@...



From: lapug@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lapug@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Drgreg
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:50 AM
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [Los Angeles PUG] Critical question regarding
meetings



Ralph, this group is well worth maintaining.  The fact that some of us
couldn't make the meeting should not discourage getting speakers.  I have
finally been successful at making care-giver arrangements for my 84 year old
father on Saturday's so that I and my Treo 650 can attend these meetings.
Sometimes a lack of attendance does not mean a lack of interest.
DrGreg
  Life is short-Live Naked!!

----- Original Message ----
From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@... <mailto:ralph%40ralphalvy.com> >
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lapug%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:35:35 AM
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] Critical question regarding meetings

Well, we had a great talk by our Sprint rep, Mike Blecher. I loved it.
But only 8 people attended. We had plenty of advance notice for
everyone, including a posting on PalmInfoCenter. com. He even gave away a
new Palm Centro, which was also announced beforehand in this group.

I really don't mind keeping the meetings going when only a handful of
people show up, when we don't have a speaker. I do get something out of
small groups of people discussing what they're doing with their handheld
devices. I look forward to that. But it's rather embarrassing when a
speaker representing a major company takes the time to come here on a
Saturday morning, and only 8 members show up.

I'm not sure it makes sense to pursue speakers for our meetings at this
point. We thought it might reinvigorate the group. I'm doubting it. What
do other think here?

Ralph


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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Thanks Ralph!
> I'll check into both. Do you, or anyone in the group, believe that the
Palm OS may be on it's way out?
> DrGreg
>
> Life is short-Live Naked!!
>

I think palm OS has been on it's way out for a while.  That it's lasting as
long as it is says a lot about how good the platform USED to be.  Not trying
to be a troll, and I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I can't come to any other
conclusion.  I still married to my Treo 650.  My TX, however, just got
retired.  I've another audible solution now.

-j

Thanks Ralph!
I'll check into both.  Do you, or anyone in the group, believe that the Palm OS
may be on it's way out?
DrGreg

 Life is short-Live Naked!!



----- Original Message ----
From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:21:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Los Angeles PUG] Treo 800 or Treo Pro


Drgreg wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Ralph!
> I'm comfortable with the Palm OS but I think l need to either upgrade
> from the Treo 650 or get a new battery (freezes more often than
> before). Is this a case of joining the herd by getting Windows Mobile
> 6.1 or get left by the roadside with the Palm OS?
> DrGreg
> Life is short-Live Naked!!
>

The 755p and Centro are much much more stable than the 650, and both use
the Palm OS. The size of the device will determine which one you get.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Drgreg wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Ralph!
> I'm comfortable with the Palm OS but I think l need to either upgrade
> from the Treo 650 or get a new battery (freezes more often than
> before).  Is this a case of joining the herd by getting Windows Mobile
> 6.1 or get left by the roadside with the Palm OS?
> DrGreg
>  Life is short-Live Naked!!
>

The 755p and Centro are much much more stable than the 650, and both use
the Palm OS. The size of the device will determine which one you get.

Thanks, Ralph!
I'm comfortable with the Palm OS but I think l need to either upgrade from the
Treo 650 or get a new battery (freezes more often than before).  Is this a case
of joining the herd by getting Windows Mobile 6.1 or get left by the roadside
with the Palm OS?
DrGreg
 Life is short-Live Naked!!



----- Original Message ----
From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Los Angeles PUG] Treo 800 or Treo Pro


No. The 800w looks like a Centro. It's essentially a Centrol with Windows
Mobile 6.1 instead of the Palm OS. On the other hand, the Treo Pro has more
of a Blackberry phyiscal form -- thinner. It too has Windows Mobile 6.1.

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg
To: lapug@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:39 PM
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] Treo 800 or Treo Pro

Are these the same?






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I agree with Ralph that this is a real issue.  I doubt many company
reps will be interested in coming if they know the audience will
consist of a dozen people.  And it's embarrassing to invite them
without warning.

While it's true that some of the regulars couldn't make it this time
-- including me -- the real problem is the difficulty of generating
interest in meetings among a broader audience.

Years ago owning a Palm meant belonging to a special society of gadget
enthusiasts.  It was like owning a PC when those were first becoming
popular.  That gives rise to a sense of camaraderie among owners.
Could it be that such gadgets have simply become too mainstream for
their owners to feel they need to associate with other like-minded
folks?
--
Yigal

On Sep 17, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> Well, we had a great talk by our Sprint rep, Mike Blecher. I loved it.
> But only 8 people attended. We had plenty of advance notice for
> everyone, including a posting on PalmInfoCenter.com. He even gave
> away a
> new Palm Centro, which was also announced beforehand in this group.
>
> I really don't mind keeping the meetings going when only a handful of
> people show up, when we don't have a speaker. I do get something out
> of
> small groups of people discussing what they're doing with their
> handheld
> devices. I look forward to that. But it's rather embarrassing when a
> speaker representing a major company takes the time to come here on a
> Saturday morning, and only 8 members show up.
>
> I'm not sure it makes sense to pursue speakers for our meetings at
> this
> point. We thought it might reinvigorate the group. I'm doubting it.
> What
> do other think here?
>
> Ralph
>

Ralph,
I've enjoyed my visit during the meeting when the BlackBerry folks presented. 
While I'm
not able to attend often due to having 3 young kids, I would welcome any type of
participation through online or other venues such as this.  I've often wondered
if it would
be possible for folks attending the meeting to make short video clips with their
Treos and
somehow post it on a community site.  I see that Yahoogroups allows for photos
but not
videos but perhaps others on this email list know of other tools we can use to
post
pictures, videos, discussion threads, ideas, etc. on various topics.

P.S. I have to sadly acknowledge that I've retired my 5 year old Treo 650 and
replaced it
with a 3G iPhone.  While AT&T's coverage leaves much to be desired compared to
Sprint,
the web features, iPod capabilities, and automatic photo updates via iPhoto on
the iPhone
are incomparable, in my opinion.

Derek

--- In lapug@yahoogroups.com, Drgreg <drgreg1995@...> wrote:
>
> Ralph, this group is well worth maintaining.  The fact that some of us
couldn't make the
meeting should not discourage getting speakers.  I have finally been successful
at
making care-giver arrangements for my 84 year old father on Saturday's so that
I and my
Treo 650 can attend these meetings. 
> Sometimes a lack of attendance does not mean a lack of interest.
> DrGreg
>  Life is short-Live Naked!!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ralph Alvy <ralph@...>
> To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:35:35 AM
> Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] Critical question regarding meetings
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> Well, we had a great talk by our Sprint rep, Mike Blecher. I loved it.
> But only 8 people attended. We had plenty of advance notice for
> everyone, including a posting on PalmInfoCenter. com. He even gave away a
> new Palm Centro, which was also announced beforehand in this group.
>
> I really don't mind keeping the meetings going when only a handful of
> people show up, when we don't have a speaker. I do get something out of
> small groups of people discussing what they're doing with their handheld
> devices. I look forward to that. But it's rather embarrassing when a
> speaker representing a major company takes the time to come here on a
> Saturday morning, and only 8 members show up.
>
> I'm not sure it makes sense to pursue speakers for our meetings at this
> point. We thought it might reinvigorate the group. I'm doubting it. What
> do other think here?
>
> Ralph
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"Under the hood" of the New Treo Pro is  some minor tweaks. The Treo 800 had
some built in problems which I believe for some Telephone company phones they
provide a fix. The big question is it worth spending the money for a New Treo
Pro, which sadly the New Treo may not make a big difference to spend the high
price that they are asking for.

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Greg <drgreg1995@...> wrote:
From: Greg <drgreg1995@...>
Subject: [Los Angeles PUG] Treo 800 or Treo Pro
To: lapug@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 8:39 PM











             Are these the same?





























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