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Management value proposition was Re: [leandevelopment] Re: FW: Saili   Message List  
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Hi, Chak,

In the course of researching some work done in system dynamics, I came
across a great resource re self-organizing teams:
http://www.systems-thinking.org/bop/bop.htm
It seems to me very apt, pragmatic, and even wise re bureaucracy and
organizational politics. It also discusses necessary changes in
organizational structure in support of the new self-organized teams.
I'm interested to hear what you and others on this list think of it.
Regards,
Alina

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Anand Vishwanath <gotoanand@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Chak,
>
> An Iteration/Project Manager's role surely becomes tricky when the team is
> striving to self organize themselves. But, one word of caution, this should
> not take away the aspect accountability. Sometimes the team can get carried
> away with collective ownership which is where the aspect of an IM/PM becomes
> useful.
>
> Asking the right questions coupled with good constructive feedback can
> actually foster team learning and more self organization.
>
> I blogged about some examples of the same here
> http://blog.anandvishwanath.in/2009/05/building-accountability-in-agile-teams.html
>
> Cheers !
> Anand
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Brad Appleton <Brad.Appleton@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Robin Dymond wrote:
>> > Hi Chak,
>> >
>> > These are great questions. George has pointed you to some great
>> > resources from Esther Derby on self organizing teams, Esther is an
>> > authority in this space so I recommend you start there.
>>
>> As it so happens, I recently finished compiling a fairly comprehensive
>> list of online resources about self-organizing teams at
>> http://blog.bradapp.net/search/label/Self-Organization
>>
>> --
>> Brad Appleton <brad {AT} bradapp.net>
>> Agile CM Environments (http://blog.bradapp.net/)
>> & Software CM Patterns (www.scmpatterns.com)
>> "And miles to go before I sleep" -- Robert Frost
>>
>
>
>

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<div>Hi, Chak,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>In the course of researching some work done in system dynamics, I came=
across a great resource re self-organizing teams: <br><a href=3D"http://ww=
w.systems-thinking.org/bop/bop.htm">http://www.systems-thinking.org/bop/bop=
.htm</a><br>

It seems to me very apt, pragmatic, and even wise re bureaucracy and organi=
zational politics.=A0 It also discusses necessary changes in organizational=
structure in support of the new self-organized teams.=A0 <br>I&#39;m inter=
ested to hear what you and others on this list think of it.=A0 <br>

</div>
<div>Regards,<br>Alina<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Anand Vishwanath=
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gotoanand@...">gotoanand@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div><br><br>
<p>Hi Chak,<br><br>An Iteration/Project Manager&#39;s role surely becomes t=
ricky when the team is striving to self organize themselves. But, one word =
of caution, this should not take away the aspect accountability. Sometimes =
the team can get carried away with collective ownership which is where the =
aspect of an IM/PM becomes useful.<br>

<br>Asking the right questions coupled with good constructive feedback can =
actually foster team learning and more self organization. <br><br>I blogged=
about some examples of the same here <a href=3D"http://blog.anandvishwanat=
h.in/2009/05/building-accountability-in-agile-teams.html" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://blog.anandvishwanath.in/2009/05/building-accountability-in-agile-te=
ams.html</a><br>

<br>Cheers !<br>Anand=20
<div class=3D"im"><br><br><br><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Brad Appleton <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Brad.Appleton@..." target=3D"_=
blank">Brad.Appleton@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<p>Robin Dymond wrote:<br>&gt; Hi Chak,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; These are great qu=
estions. George has pointed you to some great <br>&gt; resources from Esthe=
r Derby on self organizing teams, Esther is an <br>&gt; authority in this s=
pace so I recommend you start there.<br>

<br>As it so happens, I recently finished compiling a fairly comprehensive =
<br>list of online resources about self-organizing teams at<br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://blog.bradapp.net/search/label/Self-Organization" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://blog.bradapp.net/search/label/Self-Organization</a><br>

<br>-- <br>Brad Appleton &lt;brad {AT} <a href=3D"http://bradapp.net/" targ=
et=3D"_blank">bradapp.net</a>&gt;<br>Agile CM Environments (<a href=3D"http=
://blog.bradapp.net/" target=3D"_blank">http://blog.bradapp.net/</a>)<br>&a=
mp; Software CM Patterns (<a href=3D"http://www.scmpatterns.com/" target=3D=
"_blank">www.scmpatterns.com</a>)<br>

&quot;And miles to go before I sleep&quot; -- Robert Frost<br></p></div>
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