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Mary/Tom:

have you written on, or do you know of a good treatment of, possible
practical consequences of handling software development as "projects"
or "products"? I'm a bit sloppy in my description here, but I think
you might know what I mean.

This might be simply an insignificant semantical difference, but I
think I've seen you express a preference for the latter at some time.

I myself am bothered by how the concept of a "project" seems to have
become an excuse for not having to think about things like
ineffeciences caused by multi-tasking, the problems of maintaining a
huge number of differing initiatives that all attempt to modify the
same code base, and so on. "Just start a project and we'll be fine. No
'buts'!"

I believe our language controls our thinking, which controls our
behavior. Who has experience with this when it comes to talking about
"products" or "projects"?

Best regards
Tobias Fors



Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:41 am

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Mary/Tom: have you written on, or do you know of a good treatment of, possible practical consequences of handling software development as "projects" or...
Tobias Fors
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Jun 13, 2006
9:55 am

... time. ... Good question. The difference between products and projects is much more than an insignificant semantic difference and is an area where Lean...
Alan Shalloway
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Jun 13, 2006
1:43 pm

Tobias, I agree with what Alan says in his reply. We (Jeff, Jean and I) have been wrestling with the difference between project, program and product. Project...
Hubert Smits
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Jun 13, 2006
6:44 pm

Hubert: no specific event, just a growing interest in how these terms are (mis)used to justify particular behaviors, like trying to shove too much work through...
Tobias Fors
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Jun 13, 2006
7:08 pm

Hubert: can you elaborate a bit on the part where you write that "Product would pull the definition[s] outside the software environment"? /Tobias...
Tobias Fors
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Jun 13, 2006
7:09 pm

Hubert, Do you really mean to say that we should not think about the overall "whole product" rather than just the software part of a product when we consider ...
Mary Poppendieck
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Jun 13, 2006
8:18 pm

Tobias, I personally would like to see the term project abandoned in software development, and actually, I disagree with Alan that "projects are about building...
Mary Poppendieck
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Jun 13, 2006
8:12 pm

Hi, Mary I found this post to be very inspiring, but I am wondering if I misunderstand something. ... From the rest of the post, I thought you were talking...
Johannes Brodwall
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Jun 18, 2006
11:54 am

Johannes, Good question! I'll go with a "product" has many launches/deliveries. A much more realistic point of view for software. Mary Poppendieck ...
Mary Poppendieck
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Jun 18, 2006
3:27 pm

Mary, Your discussion between product and project is very interesting. In the world of spacecraft the "product" is "launched" literally at the end of the ...
Glen B Alleman
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Jun 18, 2006
6:57 pm

My most recent experience (last 6+ years) resonates with what Mary says below. Prior to that, I used to think of project-team and product-team as synonymous...
Brad Appleton
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Jun 23, 2006
7:30 am

Mary, I think the situation of the baggage around the word project mirrors the situation of the baggage around the word process. In both cases, I think the...
Alfvin, Peter
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Jun 14, 2006
9:25 pm
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