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4 Mary Poppendieck
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Oct 17, 2002
3:21 am
Hello members of the leandevleopment Yahoo group. We just thought we'd let you know that Kent Beck has graciously let us use the leandevleopment discussion...
5 Mary Poppendieck
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Oct 18, 2002
6:13 pm
Hello Everyone, Today I posted the full first draft of the book: Lean Development: A Toolkit for Software Development Managers at www.poppendieck.com/ld.htm....
6 jim
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Oct 18, 2002
8:38 pm
Hi Mary, congtrats. I will have some time after I get back week after next to look it over. Jim...
7 Tom Poppendieck
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Oct 19, 2002
5:39 pm
As we wrote Lean Development, we tried to keep in mind the danger posed by metaphors. Indeed, the manufacturing metaphor with its focus on repeatable process...
8 Tom Poppendieck
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Oct 19, 2002
5:41 pm
In the October 2002 Harvard Business review, Michael Lapre and Luk Van Wassenhove offer some insight in an article called “Learning Across Lines, The secret...
9 David J. Anderson
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Oct 19, 2002
6:15 pm
I think the problem is in the use of the word "metaphor" and not in the comparison to manufacturing. What you are really saying is that you want people to use...
10 David J. Anderson
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Oct 19, 2002
6:28 pm
It's interesting that you should pick up the Lapre and Wassenhove article from HBR. I read it on the way to work a week or so ago and it caused me to create...
11 Tom Poppendieck
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Oct 19, 2002
6:58 pm
David - You are right. The mapping has to occur at a systems thinking level of abstraction. I chose the term metaphor because that is the term being used on...
12 Tom Poppendieck
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Oct 19, 2002
7:13 pm
David - Thanks for sharing the slide. I expect that the practitioners of either Scrum or XP would place their approaches differently. In particular, we have...
13 Tom Poppendieck
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Oct 19, 2002
7:18 pm
David - Would you be willing to share the other views you mentioned below? I think I would place CMM Level 1 down in the firefighting quadrant, not Scrum. -...
14 David J. Anderson
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Oct 19, 2002
9:34 pm
I think that we need to start now and change the mental model in the Agile community from "metaphor" to "abstraction" (or at worst "simile"). If people can ...
15 David J. Anderson
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Oct 19, 2002
10:14 pm
The problem with slides is that they need a dissertation to go with them, or you need to see them "live" with the author talking to it. Hence, I need to think...
16 Kent Beck
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Oct 21, 2002
4:42 pm
I agreed with your whole posting except the implication that lean thinking is the norm. The NWLEAN mailing list suggests to me that lean is still working its...
17 Mary Poppendieck
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Oct 21, 2002
5:23 pm
I agree Kent, Lean Thinking is not the 'norm' in manufacturing (whatever that means). I think this is, in part, because many places tried implementing the...
18 Sufian Abu
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Oct 21, 2002
8:20 pm
MessageI think the Software Industry in a whole is in a dilemma. We are an impatient bunch of people who would use the word EXTREME or AGILE to justify getting...
19 Tom Poppendieck
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Oct 29, 2002
3:51 am
Our Target audience for the Lean Development book is software development managers, project managers, and other leaders who choose or constrain how project...
20 Arien Malec
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Oct 29, 2002
5:26 am
... I'd say that it does an admirable job at giving a theoretical basis for why agile methodologies work, and in connecting agile methdologies to other similar...
21 Kent Beck
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Oct 29, 2002
6:36 pm
I've re-read the Chasm book. I think XP is still stuck at the small chasm, the one between innovators (technical people who want to do a new process because...
22 Tom Poppendieck
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Oct 29, 2002
8:38 pm
Kent - Since you and Ward delivered a "Distinguished Lecture" on pair programming for the local Object technology user group symposium a couple years back, the...
23 Jim Highsmith
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Oct 29, 2002
9:14 pm
My two cents, I agree with Kent that we are still in the early adopter stage, struggling to move into early majority, not close to the chasm yet. I know there...
24 Hal Macomber
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Nov 1, 2002
4:35 am
Hello Tom, We are struggling with the lean metaphor in looking at projects in general. Too much of the attention of the metaphor attends to the materiel...
25 Mary Poppendieck
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Nov 2, 2002
5:01 am
Hal, I am trying to figure out exactly what you mean by the machine metaphor. I do not totally buy the concept that a project is simply a special case of...
26 Mary Poppendieck
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Nov 2, 2002
2:01 pm
I have a theory that a fundamental question in most organizations is: How do people know what to do when they show up for work in the morning? There are two...
27 arien_malec Offline Send Email Nov 3, 2002
5:52 pm
... Just to add to my previous message, I think that within the parameters of the book itself, it may be more valuable with some practices that suppliment the...
28 Kent Beck
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Nov 4, 2002
2:35 pm
My interpretation of the chasm is that you can't rush through any of the segment. Each segment provides experience and resource crucial to addressing the next...
29 Hal Macomber
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Nov 4, 2002
10:35 pm
I'm not sure I'm ready to write persuasively (or even lucidly) about this. Here's a short commentary (for now). If you've been following the series of...
30 Tom Poppendieck
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Nov 5, 2002
3:10 am
The postings Hal refers to below are at http://weblog.halmacomber.com/ . If you have an interest in agile project management, Hal's writings and references...
31 Tom Poppendieck
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Nov 5, 2002
3:10 am
Jeff Sutherland pointed out an interesting presentation by David Anderson at Agile Management: Why Agile Methods are Better for Business ...
32 Hal Macomber
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Nov 5, 2002
4:01 am
Tom writes, Might the theory of project management be the theory of a learning project team? Oh, if it were just that simple. The PMI appears to be agnostic...
33 David J. Anderson
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Nov 5, 2002
1:28 pm
Thanks for the plug Tom :-) Actually, this presentation is a now somewhat out-of-date outline for my first book which will be published next year. The draft...
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