(responding to Marvin, but wanting to take advantage of Mary's comments). There is a fundamental challenge and opportunity that Scrum provides that is often...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Jan 1, 2011 3:21 pm
Mary, Ok... this resonates with me. The whole notion of any methodology driving "Job Descriptions", career planning, advancement/promotion and integration with...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Jan 1, 2011 3:31 pm
(Hello) Ron, If the team were truly self-organizing... without pre-defined roles... maybe they would not have a PO? Maybe they would have roles and...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2011 3:57 pm
Hello, MarvinToll.com. On Saturday, January 1, 2011, at 10:31:01 ... It could be. Do you think that a "Successful Large Enterprise" with its "rigorous Job...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2011 3:58 pm
Hello, MarvinToll.com. On Saturday, January 1, 2011, at 10:20:53 ... Obviously not, since there are plenty of robust self-organizing teams doing Scrum. What...
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alshalloway
Jan 1, 2011 4:12 pm
I just wrote a blog inspired by my earlier post and Ron. See http://www.netobjectives.com/blogs/BCUF Alan Shalloway CEO, Net Objectives...
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Peter Alfvin
palfvin
Jan 1, 2011 4:16 pm
(building on Alan's comment about Scrum adoption as BCUF) I really think there is a lot we can learn once we recognize that all these great concepts we've...
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Mary Poppendieck
mpoppendieck
Jan 1, 2011 4:51 pm
I struggle also with "self-organizing", mostly because it seems clear that you can't have too big of a team and have effective self-organization around roles,...
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Vic Williams
vic_williams...
Jan 1, 2011 5:38 pm
Hi, Ok, the US Army is funny hatting Design Thinking. Eg google on "banach army design thinking" They're looking for design, adaptable, agile thinking doing. ...
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Peter Alfvin
palfvin
Jan 1, 2011 8:23 pm
... I think it depends what you mean by "self-organizing". Self-organization in the context of Scrum seems akin to self-organization in the context of a chess...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2011 8:39 pm
Hello, Peter. On Saturday, January 1, 2011, at 1:42:56 PM, you ... Yes, it is clearly possible to define "self-organization" in such a way that a Scrum...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Jan 1, 2011 8:40 pm
Hi Peter, Great post. I don't want to add too much other then the observation that you have come at the question of "what works" from a particular perspective,...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Jan 1, 2011 9:45 pm
Hi Peter, ... That's funny. I've never thought of Scrum as having strict rules. Useful principles yes, rules no. ... I don't know who is to blame, perhaps some...
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Peter Alfvin
palfvin
Jan 1, 2011 11:10 pm
Hi Paul, ... [Alfvin, Peter] I certainly have my perspective/lens, but I couldn't disagree more with your characterization of it. Since I feel like we've been...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Jan 1, 2011 11:33 pm
Hi Peter, Perhaps language is serving as a barrier. My main point is that irrespective of how we characterise a perspective, all models are wrong or incomplete...
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Peter Alfvin
palfvin
Jan 2, 2011 3:49 am
Hi Ron, ... And therefore the answer to the question Marvin posed might change from your previous response of "Obviously not" to "Yes" if this is the...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Jan 2, 2011 7:18 pm
Peter... don't worry about this questioner... Ron knows I have a pretty strong self-concept. :-)...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Jan 2, 2011 7:35 pm
Mary, Generally I'm not a very agreeable guy... however, your words {[] are mine} reflect my thoughts: <quote> The best companies we have seen - large or small...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Jan 3, 2011 2:14 am
Ron, Do you consider it ironic that I shy away from pre-defined roles... but am an advocate of pre-defined Architecture and Design? Perhaps a principle...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 3, 2011 2:45 am
Hello, MarvinToll.com. On Sunday, January 2, 2011, at 9:14:44 PM, ... No. It does often seem to me that you continue to seek reasons why your SLE is right not...
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Nancy Van Schooenderw...
nancyvanscho...
Jan 3, 2011 3:01 am
This year's Agile 2011 conference (August 7 - 13, Salt Lake City) will have a stage focusing on Embedded systems. James Grenning and I are co-producing it, and...
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Eb
amaeze77
Jan 3, 2011 12:15 pm
In practice, how often do people met software development teams that are truly self-organizing (even if they consider themselves agile)? What are they...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 3, 2011 12:24 pm
... Good question. Self-organized isn't just something you declare, OK you guys are self-organized. It takes time for people to grow into that level of...
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Paul
paulklipp
Jan 3, 2011 3:31 pm
The annual ACE! Conference will take place in Krakow, Poland from 31 March to 1 April and we'd like lean thinking to be well-represented in the program. If...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Jan 3, 2011 5:52 pm
Hi Eb, Good question. I did once and it was the best team I've ever worked on. It came about as a bit of an accident. We were a bunch of contractors working...
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Nancy Van Schooenderw...
nancyvanscho...
Jan 3, 2011 7:06 pm
Hi Catherine, Absolutely we'd love that type of a submission. There are 2 sub-topic areas that I think have a special impact on embedded teams - the fact that...
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Eb
amaeze77
Jan 3, 2011 7:27 pm
Paul - Thanks for sharing the experience. Why do you think it worked though? Because there were no managers or did it have more to do with the individuals...
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Nancy Van Schooenderw...
nancyvanscho...
Jan 3, 2011 8:04 pm
Hi Paul, Your description certainly rings all the bells for what real self-organization offers. It's significant that this emerged because of the distance from...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Jan 3, 2011 8:42 pm
Hi Eb, Good question. I don't know. It is only one data point, and I haven't had an opportunity to re-run the experiment :) My gut feeling is that it worked...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Jan 4, 2011 1:34 am
Ron, My position is more nuanced then described. I'm an advocate of maximum "self-organization" for requirements, roles and responsibilities. I'm an advocate...
