Dear friends,                     My name is Ahmed Alnatheer and I'm currently conducting empirical research full-time on the topic of...
I confess that although I read a couple of early chapter drafts and acquired it soon after publication, I have only now sat down to read Mary and Tom's latest...
I think the point mary and tom are making is that when you have standards and take the attitude you need to follow them, you won't get improvement. When you...
Hello Peter, It's interesting that you picked Amazon as an example, because it's the one company where the CEO clearly does not agree with you. For this...
Hello, Mary. +1. It is tempting ... I have been tempted, certainly ... to just have people "do this". But they have to do it mindfully, and with enough freedom...
(responding to Peter) ... If you come to a case where you look at a process rule and what it is telling you to do is wrong, then you have (at least) 3 options....
Hello, pauloldfield1. On Monday, July 4, 2011, at 10:22:32 AM, ... Doesn't this practice tend to lead to an increasingly complex tangle of rules and...
That or a set of guidelines that help you get your job done. Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote: Hello, pauloldfield1. On Monday, July 4, 2011, at...
Cryptic follow-up: Forget my example of multiple teams and forget a central authority. If a single team decides on its own to adopt a process for a single ...
Yep, totally agree. I think the question is, where does the change authority lie? There is an interesting article I read some months ago which reported on a ...
Hello, Peter. I find that I disagree strongly, in a principled fashion, with your fundamental assumption. Let's consider some "simpler" learning situation, say...
Peter, I think you're exactly right that the a question of top-down or bottom-up is a false dichotomy. It leads to an ineffective flip flopping between ...
I'm extremely dubious about comparing how one learns physical skills vs how one learns knowledge work skills. True, in both cases you have to do, but virtually...
Ummm, Alan, are you trying to say that people don't get better and better by practicing software development? Bob Martin says exactly the opposite in his...
... how one learns knowledge work skills. ... do/… expert I know says that the way you get good at physical skills is do the same thing over and over and...
... I feel that you didn't pay much attention to my example, which was not about martial arts but playing tennis mindfully ... That being said ... my point is...
... Wouldn't you consider this the creation of a standard, unwritten rule (whatever we want to call it) that the team now follows (in general)? ... -- blog:...
Unfortunately, the word "rule" in my experience, carries along with it the inherent emotional response that it is wrong to break a rule - a reflection of the...
Thanks eb. :) And I guess if they don't follow it again then they'll learn saying you don't need standards means people won't agree to follow team agreements....
And I feel you are discounting what I said because I chose to give a different example. Tennis is fairly similar. You still practice the same thing over and...
No. I'm not saying that. I actually agree with the postulate in the tipping point that it takes 10,000 hours for mastery. It takes a long time of working at...
... I'm not recommending breaking rules or agreement. I am arguing, solely, that rules, agreements, and standards are not necessary to learning, as has been...
Cant say about everybody but when I see code I wrote 10 years back, I don't always feel great and sometimes I feel downright ashamed on how could I write such...
Hello, Alan. On Monday, July 4, 2011, at 11:19:29 PM, you wrote: ME>> What is this, a new motto? "Learning without a standard." No ME>> one said you can't...
... I am. Creation of a standard, if in fact it was a standard, does not imply that standards are necessary. I agree they are possible, even good. Just don't...
Individuals and teams can learn without standards. Organizations need standards to control variability. If you are going to make improvements to the system you...
Hi, I think it depends on what sort of standard it is. I like the idea of standardizing things (if required) at the value and principle level, or even...
