http://www.netobjectives.com/blogs/christmas-tree-lights-analogy A (hopefully) enjoyable tie in to the holidays, all about code qualities... -Scott-...
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richsharpe90
Dec 8, 2008 4:49 pm
Hi, After speaking with many attendees (usually in the bar at the end of the day) at Conferences such as Agile 2008 etc I was surprised to hear from a lot of...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Dec 8, 2008 6:30 pm
Very well-written, and persuasive, Richard. One minor point that I would add (this coming from Amir Kolsky) is the notion of defects is often thought of in...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 13, 2009 9:13 pm
hi, on the one hand, you might want to only have one implementation of any given feature across all products which have that feature. on the other hand, you...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 13, 2009 10:46 pm
Raoul: Let me see if I can restate your question, just to make sure I get ya... When designing a component, you can make it very specific for a given use (and...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 13, 2009 11:17 pm
hi, ... thanks for the note. what you say makes sense and i need to learn to do that more accurately + precisely in my code. i think i was thinking poorly, and...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 13, 2009 11:21 pm
Hmmm, well it still seems to me that my response applies, if you look at the "testing" section of each pattern. Once you separate the issues, you can test...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 13, 2009 11:32 pm
hi, ... thank you for the note. what you say makes sense. i think then it comes down to being able to really know the true boundaries of a system: if we knew...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 13, 2009 11:37 pm
Ø but if we can't have a complete set of tests (theoretically impossible) then we run the risk that a change demanded by one application will break another...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 14, 2009 12:01 am
hi, ... i think (hope) i understand what you are getting at -- there must be a ww2 style quote somewhere about how "we must resist those forces which attempt...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 14, 2009 12:12 am
Well, there is now. J From: leanprogramming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:leanprogramming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raoul Duke Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009...
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Steven Campbell
dukeytoo
Jan 20, 2009 2:10 pm
You might get more answers on a group more focused on program architecture. (Unfortunately, AFAIK there are none, or at least none that are active enough to...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 20, 2009 4:15 pm
This was a superb response, especially the comment about open-closed-ness. Could not agree more. I'll just point out that testing does indeed lead you...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 20, 2009 6:44 pm
thanks for the thoughts, everyone! ... i have to wonder about how this can go wrong. i believe there is some tension / balance one must seek between "one step...
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Steven Campbell
dukeytoo
Jan 21, 2009 2:13 am
Inline... ... This is the poorly understood domain of product architecture. You either code *everything* behind abstractions or someone has to guess at what...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 21, 2009 6:09 am
... strewth, 'tis all too true! (in my decade-and-a-half-ish, i've seen a pretty decent gamut of Architects, i guess. unfortunately, i'm currently at a place...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 21, 2009 4:24 pm
One interesting way to thing about Steve's point about "how much abstraction" is to ask yourself what the purpose of abstracting is in the first place. Part of...
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Rob Myers
xyphrnld0x
Jan 21, 2009 7:43 pm
See below... ... "Emergent Design" is one of those areas that, when you examine one "agile" developer practice, you have to look at another. Refactoring...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 22, 2009 1:54 am
another vague question, i'm pondering today: how do you manage / balance making abstractions which represent the domain, vs. ones which are more about the...
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Steven Campbell
dukeytoo
Jan 22, 2009 2:50 am
We're waaay off topic now, but I'm enjoying the conversation immensely... ... The complexity that abstraction adds is not to the individual pieces of code...
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Kim Gräsman
kimgrasman
Jan 22, 2009 11:41 am
Hi Rob, First off, great experience reports, I really enjoyed your e-mail! ... Any chance you could add a little more detail on what happened here? I agree...
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Ilja Preuß
ipreussde
Jan 22, 2009 1:33 pm
What makes you think there is a "vs."?...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 22, 2009 7:04 pm
hi, Thanks for your note. ... * The reality that you aren't going to invent the perfect DSL for everything all the time. * The Law of Leaky Abstractions. *...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 22, 2009 9:08 pm
Al (Shalloway) has suggested a new pattern for the repository. I think it might be interesting to get some views from this group, especially to determine if...
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Chuck Walrad
cwalrad
Jan 23, 2009 8:00 pm
Fyi - in case you know anyone who might be interested. Subject: NY area - Director, Software Development - Media Please respond to...
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Raoul Duke
theraoulduke
Jan 23, 2009 9:26 pm
i asked once before about yagni and a response was, if i paraphrase it correctly, that it doesn't mean you hack whatever is most obvious and then refactor...
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Scott L. Bain
slbain9000
Jan 23, 2009 10:08 pm
Raoul: Make sure you: Separate Use from Creation Program By Intention Express all behaviors in unique tests ...and I think you've covered the majority of...
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Gary Brown
gb70840
Jan 24, 2009 2:11 am
Raoul, First of all, learn how to use the shift key. YAGNI is the tension between Simple Design and Gold Plating. Simple Design, to me, means: * Does...
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Alan Shalloway
alshalloway
Jan 24, 2009 2:38 am
gary civility please J Alan Shalloway, CEO, Sr. Consultant Net Objectives. Achieving Enterprise Agility 425-269-8991 From: leanprogramming@yahoogroups.com ...
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Ilja Preuß
ipreussde
Jan 24, 2009 2:07 pm
... There is no YAGNI at the architecture level. http://radio.javaranch.com/ilja/2008/02/27/1204145190205.html ... No, there is no tension. You "simply"...
