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Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
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Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

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is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
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on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Manish Chakravarty
<manishchakravarty@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> We ( people from the Java world) think in a certain way and Lisp requires a
different way of thinking/problem solving.
> As a person comfortable with Java/Ruby/C++ is there any tutorial available
online that you would recommend. And why?
>
> I am also confused as to which dialect of Lisp to pickup.

Since you are comfortable with Java/C++. You might want to explore
Clojure. http://clojure.org/ . Its almost a modern dialect of LISP. It
runs on JVM.


regards
--
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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Manish Chakravarty
<manishchakravarty@...> wrote:
>
> We ( people from the Java world) think in a certain way and Lisp requires a
different way of thinking/problem solving.
> As a person comfortable with Java/Ruby/C++ is there any tutorial available
online that you would recommend. And why?
>
> I am also confused as to which dialect of Lisp to pickup.

I'd recommend clojure - it's a very well designed language, cleaner
than common lisp and richer than scheme. Plus it runs on the jvm and
provides excellent integration with existing java code, so it has a
huge set of available libraries, and as a bonus your knowledge of the
available java packages and libraries will not go to waste. Another
plus is the hash and array literals (as a ruby programmer you should
appreciate the value of those :)), which is a definite win over both
common lisp and scheme. Plus it has concurrency built in from the
start.

Feel free to join the newborn bangalore clojure user's group
[http://groups.google.com/group/bangalore-clj] and ask questions, if
you like.

Here's a list of clojure tutorials.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Clojure_Programming/Tutorials_and_Tips

If, for some reason, you don't like clojure, my second recommendation
would be PLT Scheme. There's a great IDE aimed at people learning the
language (though it scales up well enough for more proficient users
too), a friendly community and a rich standard library.

martin

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Manish Chakravarty <
manishchakravarty@...> wrote:

> We ( people from the Java world) think in a certain way and Lisp requires a
> different way of thinking/problem solving.
>
Welcome to lisp. It indeed needs a different way of looking at problems, but
the learning curve is not very steep.

As a person comfortable with Java/Ruby/C++ is there any tutorial available
> online that you would recommend. And why?
>
http://www.psg.com/~dlamkins/sl/contents.html
http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/

This book is also good: http://www.paulgraham.com/acl.html
It is not freely downloadable, so you might have to use your "computer
skills" to get it :)

I had used them when I started couple of years ago, and found them useful.
You can also get the book "Common Lisp"

Once you get comfortable with lisp, have look at this freely downloadable
ebook:
http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html



> I am also confused as to which dialect of Lisp to pickup.
>
Oh, there are not too many dialects today. Common Lisp and Scheme inhabit
most of the lisp landscape. I would suggest you to choose Common Lisp, as it
is more "production quality". Scheme is primarily intended for teaching.

Get the Practical common lisp book, and download the lispbox from the same
site and you are ready to go.
And, btw, get used to emacs :))


> -- Manish
>
>
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> http://in.yahoo.com/
>
>
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>
>
>
>


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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We ( people from the Java world) think in a certain way and Lisp requires a
different way of thinking/problem solving.
As a person comfortable with Java/Ruby/C++ is there any tutorial available
online that you would recommend. And why?

I am also confused as to which dialect of Lisp to pickup.

-- Manish


       The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
http://in.yahoo.com/

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Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
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I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
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On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

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On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
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Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
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In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
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simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
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Attachments
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If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
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Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
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Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
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5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

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released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
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If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
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Alright - so the jinx continues. Just when we have everything in place,
we are forced to call off the online payment process for logistical
reasons. We aren't going to go into any detail here - just that this
time the problem is us, not the vendor (who bent over backwards getting
things in place). The primary issue is that as a non-commercial, volunteer
run event, we do not enjoy the kind of financial and legal protection in
the case of credit card fraud or similar issues that commercial events
have. Rather than take the risk of getting into trouble, we would rather
not take a chance with it this year.

Right, with that behind us, here's how you go about making your delegate
fee payment:

http://foss.in/news/delegate-registration-payments.html

Please note that online delegate registration closes at midnight on
November 30th - so make sure you go and register NOW:

http://foss.in/register

In other news, have you registered your non-commercial FOSS project for
free space at

http://foss.in/register/expo/foss-project-registration

If you are a commercial outfit and wish to have a stall at FOSS>IN, then
head to

http://foss.in/register/expo/foss-in-expo-registration-commercial

And if you are confused about what WorkOuts are, then you simply MUST read

http://foss.in/fossin2009/understanding-foss-in-the-workouts.html

Atul

--
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Bangalore, India
http://atulchitnis.net

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Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
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If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
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=====================================================================

FOSS.IN/2009 Delegate Registration is now open

http://foss.in/register

Go - book your place at the biggest FOSS event of the year.

Atul

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Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

Hi LBP members,

I have been breaking my head for a day or 2 on this trivial issue of calcualting
time offset between machine time and any specific timezone.

The catch is not to use setenv to set the TZ varaible. Though thats the easiest
way to do it. But facing some issues in it.

This is my code snippet


bool calculateMachineToDestinationTimeOffset(const char* tz, long& offset)
{
         assert(tz != NULL);

         if (GoUtil::validateTimeZone(tz) == false)
         {
                 cout << GoEvent::Error << "Invalid TimeZone : " << tz << endl;
                 return false;
         }

         char currentTimeZone[255];

         if (getenv("TZ") == NULL)
         {
                 cout << GoEvent::Warning << "Can not get TimeZone information
from environment" << endl;
                 return false;
         }
         else
         {
                 sprintf(currentTimeZone, "%s", getenv("TZ"));
         }

         time_t now = time(NULL);
         struct tm timeStruct;

         localtime_r(&now, &timeStruct);
         timeStruct.tm_isdst = -1;

         if (setenv("TZ", tz, 1) != 0)
         {
                 cout<< GoEvent::Warning << "Fail to set TimeZone information" <<
endl;
                 return false;
         }

         time_t then = mktime(&timeStruct);

         offset = now - then ;

         if (setenv("TZ", currentTimeZone, 1) != 0)
         {
                 cout << GoEvent::Warning << "Fail to set TimeZone information"
<< endl;
                 return false;
         }


         //Somehow the TZ is not set properly if getenv is not done in the end.
         //strange but .. I am doing it for the time being.

        cout << GoEvent::Info << "TimeZone is changed to:"<< getenv("TZ") <<endl;

         return true;
}


And immediately after calling this function I use the offset to get tick in
destination and call localtime to get it into struct format.

But somehow the last call to setenv dosent reset the TZ to original TZ and
localtime_r is impacted.

Any better way to do it???

If you plan to be anything more than a delegate at FOSS.IN/2009, you
better hurry - registrations close on Monday, October 26th, at 23:59
GMT+0530.

So if you want to be part of the largest and most important Free & Open
Source Software event in this part of the world, and stand shoulder to
shoulder with some of the biggest FOSS contributors and hackers in the
world, then you need to head to

http://foss.in/news/fossincfp-2009.html

right now, read about the event and what is new this year

http://foss.in/news/fossin2009-event-announcement.html
http://foss.in/news/foss-in-wind-of-change.html

(including my own take on things)

http://atulchitnis.net/diary/showentry/507

then go to

http://foss.in/register/speaker-registration-2009

and put in your proposal. If you have questions, feel free to ask on the
mailing list or (if you are shy :P) via the contact system
(http://foss.in/contact).

The closure of the CFP will also signal the opening of delegate
registration this week, as well as the Call for Sponsorship.

Team FOSS.IN will meet Monday night in Bangalore to start going through
all the submissions, discuss plans and actions, and take decisions. You
should start hearing the first few announcements by Tuesday.

For those of you who haven't yet realised it: this year the Indian FOSS
community completes TEN YEARS of organising FOSS community-oriented events
- the first one happened in 1999

http://linux-bangalore.org/blug/events/itcom99/

So are you going to be sitting there on your hands, mutely watching the
giants on stage, OR BE ONE OF THEM?

Atul

All:

Please note that the FOSS.IN/2009 Speaker registration is open, and a
number of submissions have already been received.

Read the CfP at

 	 http://foss.in/news/fossincfp-2009.html

and then head to

 	 http://foss.in/register/speaker-registration-2009

And submit your
talk/workout/workshop/bof/hacker-session/project-of-the-day proposal.

It's best NOT to do what most people do every year - procrastinate till
the last moment, especially since talk evaluation is happening as they are
received, and we are interacting with proposers to fine-tune things. Afte
the 26th, you will not have the benefit of this interaction.

Also, don't restriuct yourself to submitting just one item - feel free to
submit as many as possible - you never know what we will find most
appropriate/interesting!

And please spread the word in your offices, colleges, mailing lists,
twitter, facebooks, etc.

Remember - all content at FOSS.IN comes from the FOSS community!

Now go, Go, GO!!!!!

Atul

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If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
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1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

And here we go - FOSS.IN/2009's Call for Participation. Apologies for
the delays, things are very different for us this year, with a new venue,
new team members, and all sorts of aches and pains we don't want to talk
about :)

http://foss.in/news/fossincfp-2009.html

The registration system for speakers is open NOW - head there as soon as
you finish reading this message.

Please repost/retweet/sms/email/whatever this message as far and wide as
possible. Thanks!

Atul Chitnis
Project Lead
FOSS.IN
http://foss.in

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

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Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM, dosi_barkha <dosi_barkha@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have written a multithreaded C-server program. During multiple https
> connections I frequentl get segmentation fault saying
>
> 0x080985b0 in SSL_read ()
> Current language: auto; currently asm
> (gdb) bt
> #0 0x080985b0 in SSL_read ()
> #1 0x0894ddb0 in ?? ()
> #2 0xb7f23ff4 in ?? () from /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
> #3 0x08080483 in StartHttpThread (pEngPriv=0x8901da0) at
> webapp/webapp.c:274
> #4 0x08080ce4 in thread_http (pEng=0x8901da0) at webapp/webapp.c:191
> #5 0xb7f144c0 in start_thread () from /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
> #6 0xb7d6d6de in clone () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
>
> Kindly help me what could be the cause of this
>
>
Did you register the two required static callbacks  when using OpenSSL in
multithreaded environment?

http://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/threads.html


Regards
> Barkha Dosi
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
> Before posting to this list, read the list rules FIRST!
>
> http://blug.in/list-rules
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding
about ourselves.”
—Carl Jung


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

Hi,

I have written a multithreaded C-server program. During multiple https
connections I frequentl get segmentation fault saying

0x080985b0 in SSL_read ()
Current language: auto; currently asm
(gdb) bt
#0 0x080985b0 in SSL_read ()
#1 0x0894ddb0 in ?? ()
#2 0xb7f23ff4 in ?? () from /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
#3 0x08080483 in StartHttpThread (pEngPriv=0x8901da0) at webapp/webapp.c:274
#4 0x08080ce4 in thread_http (pEng=0x8901da0) at webapp/webapp.c:191
#5 0xb7f144c0 in start_thread () from /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
#6 0xb7d6d6de in clone () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6

Kindly help me what could be the cause of this

Regards
Barkha Dosi

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

Thank you for subscribing to the linux-bangalore-programming mailing list.
This message is to give you some information about this list and other lists
we maintain, as well as about some basic list rules.

It is also sent out once a month to all subscribers.

This list caters to *PROGRAMMING* discussions about Linux and the
Bangalore linux User Group. Non-programming discussions are *not* encouraged
here. Traffic on this list is usually quite high.

Please note that in order to prevent spamming and unruly behaviour, this list
will moderate the *first* post of a *new* member. The moderation will be
removed after the new member has shown himself/herself to be genuine, and
not a spammer or disruptive influence.

If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this list, send a blank message to

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OTHER LISTS
-----------

If you wish to participate in discussions but are not interested in
programming stuff, then we have several other lists to choose from.
Visit http://linux-bangalore.org for more information about these lists.

LIST RULES
----------

Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

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Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================