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Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
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Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
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diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
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Message time and date
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sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
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Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
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If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
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1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
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2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
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not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
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If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
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I have downloaded an application (tripwire) over cvs
to build an rpm using rpmbuild command.

What I require is to get the final *source* with all
the patches applied. In my understanding, the
/usr/src/redhat/SRPM dir contains the source rpm but
without the patches applied.

Does anyone know?



      
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Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

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Please note that in order to prevent spamming and unruly behaviour, this list
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LIST RULES
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Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

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Hi all,

We have to choose between PR kernel
(http://www.esol.co.jp/english/embedded/prkernelv4.html) and Linux for
an embedded platform. Our product would be an audio/video device based
on ARM chip. We have very little knowledge about the former. Kindly advise.

Thanks,
Mayank

>>We have to choose between PR kernel
>>(http://www.esol.co.jp/english/embedded/prkernelv4.html) and Linux for
>>an embedded platform.

From the link you have sent for PR kernel it looks like an implementation if
uITron.
Though this OS is widely used by Japanese consumer electronics compaines it
is relatively unknown outside of Japan.
Most TRON documentation is in Japanese.

The main adavantage of using Linux is the amount of open source
libraies/tool chains/ projects available. Since you are going to implement a
audio/vedio device in the Linux world you have mature multimedia frameworks
like gstreamer (http://www.gstreamer.net/) to give you a headstart. Many
people may also argue that Linux is free, but in the embedded world  ( IMHO
) this is not much of an advantage actually.

Most uITRON implemtations tend to have better real time peformance and
smaller foot prints then Linux ( Including RT ). I am making a
generalisation here and this may not always be true.

So if you guys are suckers for real time performance and foot print, dont
mind writing most of your software from scratch then use uITRON else go for
Linux.

Regards,
Sanandan


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

They say that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks, so this dog has
been up to some old tricks.  A couple of days ago I released
strftime[1] for javascript with partial support for all of PHP's
strftime[2] format specifiers, and today I released version 1.2 with
full support and the ability to localise it.

Get it via freshmeat here: http://freshmeat.net/projects/strftime-js/
(if you want the tarballs) or directly here:
http://hacks.bluesmoon.info/strftime/ (if you only want the source and
docs).

The code is BSD licensed.

Some more info:
- The opengroup specification for strftime has 33 format specifiers
and 19 modified format specifiers
- PHP's strftime has the 33 basic format specifiers and adds 3 more
- This javascript implementation supports the entire PHP set, and does
not support the 19 modified format specifiers
- The code supports locale specific representations through a locale
extension mechanism which is well documented [3]

There are bound to be bugs, so send them my way any way you see fit.
The project is also hosted on google code, but I'm not too happy with
the interface and am considering moving it to sourceforge mainly for
svn and issue tracking.  If you have strong opinions one way or the
other, let me know.

Anyway, for now, play with it, let me know about bugs, if you want to
write a localised module for a particular language, feel free to do so
and send it in.

Philip

[1] - http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/strftime.html
[2] - http://php.net/strftime
[3] - http://hacks.bluesmoon.info/strftime/localisation.html

--
hello world

Hi Mayank,

I have been working on PrKernel for the past 4 years on ARM's DM270, DM320
platforms. One of the projects I have been involved in is
  - portable media player for airline entertainment (www.airvod.com).
Features:
    ARM clocked at 185MHz, DSP clocked at 110MHz
    a. Video playback: D1 resolution @ 25FPS, 320 kbps audio. Video codec on
DSP, Audio codec on ARM.
    b. Java games in 320 X 240 res mode. So, the good news is JVM is ported
to PrKernel
    c. 100MBits ethernet (network stack optimized to achieve ~8MBytes
throughput).
    d. HDD of 80 GB. PrFile (VFS module of PrKernel) used with FAT32 support.
    e. SD Card module. Throughput of ~2.5 MBytesPS achieved
    f. 1.1 USB for game controller using PrUSB (USB driver module from esol)

We used PrKernel V4 for this product and the outcome is very good and is in
usage by jetstar, tiger airways.
PrKernel has minimal set of system calls and are light weight in nature.
There is no distinction between kernel and user space. system call is same
as a normal function call. We did not use MMU in this product. By the data
given by me above, you can definitely take a call whether to use PrKernel or
not. One very good news for the developer/maintainer/tester is that, you can
use JTAG interface with CCS IDE which enables u to place HW/SW breakpoints,
watch/modify variables/registers/memory in real time. Since hardware
debugging is used, you get full control of the processors (ARM+DSP). You
need not struggle with simulators/network based gdb, printf/printks etc.


Regards,
-Rajesh

--
______________________________

Regards
Rajesh T.N.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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It is also sent out once a month to all subscribers.

This list caters to *PROGRAMMING* discussions about Linux and the
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here. Traffic on this list is usually quite high.

Please note that in order to prevent spamming and unruly behaviour, this list
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Visit http://linux-bangalore.org for more information about these lists.

LIST RULES
----------

Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
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Hi to All,

I am working on Sockets at Linux.
I have a situation where a socket has to listen on UDP & also on TCP
using single IP Address and PORT NO: 53
Can anyone suggest the way that we can handle a single or multiple
sockets with a "single IP Address & PORT NO:53" for UDP and also TCP.

Thanks in Advance.
Bye

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Bharath Kumar Reddy <
venkata_bharath@...> wrote:

> I have a situation where a socket has to listen on UDP & also on TCP
> using single IP Address and PORT NO: 53

Can anyone suggest the way that we can handle a single or multiple
> sockets with a "single IP Address & PORT NO:53" for UDP and also TCP.


TCP/IP identifies connections based on the quintuple:
{src ip, src port, dest ip, dest port, protocol}

so, even if all the rest of quintuple is same, that the protocol is
different is enough to ensure that the connections can be distinguished.
what this means for you is that you can have servers listening to the  port
num but with different protocols. Have a socket for each protocol: socket A
for listening to port 53/TCP and socket B for listening to port 53/UDP in
you application. As for single socket listening to multiple protocol ports,I
dont think that is possible.

HTH,
svtesan

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Venkatesan S <svtesan@...> wrote:

> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Bharath Kumar Reddy <
> venkata_bharath@...> wrote:
>
>> I have a situation where a socket has to listen on UDP & also on TCP
>> using single IP Address and PORT NO: 53
>
> Can anyone suggest the way that we can handle a single or multiple
>> sockets with a "single IP Address & PORT NO:53" for UDP and also TCP.
>
> <snip>
>

Clicked send before adding this:
Then you can use select/poll to listen to both sockets at the same time.

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Hi,

i want to restrict a particular file type from download in tomcat, for
example, i might have a file www.abc.com/123.txt but user should not be
able to download the file and should get access denied message. i used
to do similar thing in apache http server to block .htaccess files
using directive

  <FilesMatch "^\.ht">
     Order allow,deny
     Deny from all
</FilesMatch>

is there any similar way in tomcat ?

Regards
Prashant

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> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

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On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
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I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
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Hi all,

We are working on USB audio/video drivers on an Arm based device
communicating with a host. Kindly recommend any tools to view the USB
traffic like ethereal (now wireshark).

Also if we can equivalent tools for those on Windows it would help
greatly. Some on them available on Windows are:

USB Command Verifier (USBVC)
UVCView
GraphEdit
AMCap2

--
Thanks in advance,
Mynk

http://www.itihas.org.in/SattvaMay2008.pdf
http://ngopost.org/story.php?title=Why_bother_Just_cycle----1

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Mayank Rungta <mr.mynk@...> wrote:

>   Hi all,
>
> We are working on USB audio/video drivers on an Arm based device
> communicating with a host. Kindly recommend any tools to view the USB
> traffic like ethereal (now wireshark).
>
> Also if we can equivalent tools for those on Windows it would help
> greatly. Some on them available on Windows are:
>
> USB Command Verifier (USBVC)
> UVCView
> GraphEdit
> AMCap2
>
> --
> Thanks in advance,
> Mynk
>
> http://www.itihas.org.in/SattvaMay2008.pdf
> http://ngopost.org/story.php?title=Why_bother_Just_cycle----1
>
>
>


There are many software tools available, you can check out
http://www.linux-usb.org/tools.html for some of the popular ones. USBView
and USBMon are particularly useful. For packet snooping usbutils or
usbfs_snoop can be used. The page also lists some windows tools.

--
--
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<http://dumpyard.tumblr.com>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't have an answer to your question . But I have another quesiton
for you . By the above do you mean your driver will present the arm
based device to the host device as a USB gadget ?

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If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
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1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
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Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

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Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================

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Most mailing lists have a set of guidelines for how you should post messages to
the list, and the BLUG's mailing lists follow these general rules of ettiquette.
Here's a short list of do's and don'ts for posting to the various BLUG mailing
lists.

Top-posts
This is the most common list newbie mistake!

Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message
instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can
annoy other readers.

Example of an illegal top-post:

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

Example of a correct bottom post:

On Friday, the 13th, you said:

> I am using the function xyz(), giving arguments arg1 and arg2,
> but it does not work. Anyone know why?

I think you should be swapping the arguments around in the
function, instead of the way you are doing it.

Overquoting
This is the second most common list newbie mistake!

If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message
that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those
quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart
from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.

In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of
text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and
simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for
that!
HTML Messages
HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML
formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts,
pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is
allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.

Attachments
Attachments of any sort are not allowed and will be stripped out automatically.

Off-topic
Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles,
politics, music, or anything that is not related to Linux. Sometimes topics will
diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the
list topic. Do not ask programming questions in the technical (installation and
admin) list, or technical questions in the non-technical list, or installation
questions in the programming list, etc.

Message recycling
Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and
changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability
to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use
New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply.

Message time and date
Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your
date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get
sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or
year they belong in.

Most of all, enjoy yourself on the list, and read messages from other users. In
them, you may find ideas, solutions to problems, or other information that may
be useful to you.

This is a reminder to members of this list about the posting rules:

If you are posting to this list, and your messages aren't appearing, check
the following:

1. Did you top-post?

Top posting is when you type your reply above the question. That is OK in
email, but not on our lists.

2. Did you over-quote/inline?

Overquoting is of you quote back more than 2-3 lines of the original
message, or if your reply is less than the quoted text.

Inlining is just inserting text in the original message without trimming
off the non-required stuff.

Both are no-nos on these lists.

3. Did you go seriously off-topic?

Each of our lists has a focus - the technical list is for
admin/install/user queries, the programming list is for development, the
non-tech list is for stuff like licenses, policies, activities, etc.

While a slight amount of off-topic material in the course of a discussion
is OK (like a joke), a blatant off-topic message (such as posting about
the weather on the technical list) is not. Note that programming questions
on the technical list are as off-topic as installation questions on the
programming list.

4. Did you try posting non-allowed material?

Job posts are not allowed on any of our lists except linux-bangalore-jobs.
Posting one on the programming or technical list will instantly get you
banned from the list.

Any form of spam is also disallowed.

Personal attacks are off-topic, too. Use email to resolve your differences
with someone, don't try to use the lists as your stage.

5. Still haven't got the answer?

Check out http://blug.in/list-rules

About moderation:

All our lists place new users (or users who have never posted) in
moderation until we are sure they know the rules, abide by them, and are
not spammers. This means that you may send a message, and it goes into
moderation for us to check out. If the message is found to be ok, it is
released. If the next couple of messages are also ok, then that account
gets demoderated.

If you look at the traffic on the lists today, you will see that almost
everyone participating frequently is demoderated. Sometimes, someone who
only posts infrequently may remain moderated even if he/she posts
correctly. This is common, if you post only infrequently, you are deemed
to be a new user, and are "on watch".

The fastest way to get demoderated is to participate regularly and abide
by the rules.

=====================================================================
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LIST DOES NOT ALLOW JOB POSTINGS OF *ANY* KIND.
If you post one, you will get banned from the list. This applies to
everyone - no matter how big or small your company may be.
=====================================================================