There is firmware that MUST be loaded into the wireless card by the OS
(linux  kernel). See if the  DMESG |grep ipw2100 produces message
saying that there was a load failure of a .bss or similar module. For
security a wpa-supplicant module MUST be also loaded and ndiswrapper
is also needed. I have a DELL 9200 with 2200BG card almost identical
to 2100 card in your dell. Is the light showing the WiFI LED on? Make
sure that the kernel is 2.6.18 or higher. There are some kernel
complation options that will cause a failure of wireless
communication. CHECK http://oss.intel.com/en-us/

Try these and you may get somewhere. I can't understand why LINUX
programmers have not gotten the message that CENTRINO+LAPTOP is a
huge supply of computers that HAVE to be relegated to WINDOWS
because  WINDOWS can connect easily!!!
Good Luck
Jack
Toms River,NJ



--- In linux-dell-laptops@yahoogroups.com, Chad Sutton <csutton@...>
wrote:
>
> James wrote:
> >
> > Hi. I'm so glad I found this group and hope that someone has
already
> > overcome the only obstacle I've found that I can't seem to fix.
> >
> > Here's my issue:
> >
> > The Intel 2100 wireless card is detected and setup fine. However,
it's
> > disabled in Linux only.
> >
> > I have the 2100 enabled in the BIOS. I've installed both Ubuntu
6.10
> > and SuSE 10 using Gnome with the same results, so it's definitely
a
> > hardware issue. It even works in the Windows XP Pro OS that is
dual
> > booted with Linux.
> >
> > The Fn+F2 button combo does nothing. When I press that, I see
unknown
> > key pressed messages in the message log under SuSE, and something
very
> > similar in Ubuntu.
> >
> > Anyone know how to enable the Intel 2100 card in Linux? Again, the
> > driver is loaded just fine. The Network Connections Panel icon
shows
> > Disconnected, and Wireless disabled.
> >
> > I've searched all over the Net looking for the solution to this
issue
> > to no avail.
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas!
> >
> >
> You might want to try poking around
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported.
>
> This card is fully supported in Ubuntu. To see if the driver is
loaded
> you should type "lsmod |grep ipw2100"in a terminal. It should
return
> that the card's module is loaded.
>
> Your card in Ubuntu is most likely listed as eth1 (perhaps wlan0).
See
> if you can see any wireless networks by typing "iwlist scan". If
> wireless network information is returned then the card is active
and
> working.
>
> Have you tried any of that yet?
>
> A simple search at http://ubuntuforums.org on intel 2100 brought me
the
> following results
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298798&highlight=intel+2100
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager?
highlight=%28network%29%7C%28manager%29
>
>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuid
e
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=327067&highlight=intel+2100
>
> http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/#issues
>
>
>
> --
> Later,
> Chad Sutton
> csutton@...
> http://chadarius.com
> http://stephandchadsutton.com
>

Hi every one,

I am trying to compile a custom kernel on the DELL Latitude D620, but
when booting i get the error:

VFS: cannot open root device "sda6" or unknown-block(0,0)
please append a corretc "root=" boot option
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
unknown-bloc(0,0)



hereis the outpu of #lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and
945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and
945GT Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High
Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express
Port 1 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express
Port 2 (rev 01)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express
Port 3 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
UHCI #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
UHCI #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
UHCI #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
UHCI #4 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2
EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface
Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family)
Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller
(rev 01)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 110M
/ GeForce Go 7300 (rev a1)
03:01.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ601/6912/711E0
CardBus/SmartCardBus Controller (rev 40)
09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752
Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 UART (rev 01)



If some one had complied a custom kernel with success, please send me
the .config file.

Thanks

Hello,

I have overheating and slowdown issues under Dell C400
with PIII 1GHz CPU.

What happens - after reboot everything is fine laptop works
on full power (I'd written simple program that
makes CPU work hard and test run time).

The CPU temperature according to:
cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
Is about 48-54C.

When I start running heavy loads - it heats up to 90C
and then I see a message in /var/log/acpi

received event "processor CPU0 00000080 00000001"
notifying client 2604[105:108]
notifying client 2881[0:0]
completed event "processor CPU0 00000080 00000001"

After that the performance of the computer is dramatically
reduced and the temperature goes down to 60C under load
and 45-50C without. Program that used to run about 11s
now runs about 1m30s (!).

When I reboot and load i8k module (modprobe i8k)

I do not get to 90C but the performance reduced at lower
temperatures and it not recovered back - the simple
program that run about 11s now runs about a minute.

Several questions:

- I understand that it is important to reduce clock in
   order to not overheat the processor, but how to get
   it back when there is no load and the temperature
   is normal?

- I can see a small fan at the bottom of the laptop
   but I don't see it is spinning? Does this mean it
   is broken or I do not have correct settings for
   i8k driver?

- I can figure out that the CPU frequency is changed
   in all these cases and in case I plug in/out the
   AC power. However I do not see any change in
   /proc/cpuinfo. Is there any way to change this
   behavior or other way to check CPU frequency?

- How can I control manually CPU clock frequency?
   (If it is possible at all.)

Thanks,

Artyom

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, artyomtnk wrote:

> - I can see a small fan at the bottom of the laptop
>  but I don't see it is spinning? Does this mean it
>  is broken or I do not have correct settings for
>  i8k driver?

Can't help with the other questions, but I have a similar model, and I can
definitely hear the fan when I'm running a long compute-intensive program.
I also (IIRC) don't get CPU temps that high, or see slowdown for thermal
protection, so broken fan would be my first guess.

James

Ok, thanks, so it seems that the fan is broken.
Meanwhile I had reduced in BIOS the AC mode from
maximal performance to maximum battery and I work
on 750MHz instead of 1GHz even on AC. Running this
mode I get maximum on heavy long loads to 65-68C
So it do not creates problems but it is 25% peformance
reduction.

If I was able to adjust the CPU frequency according
to temperature thresholds:

1000MHz      - 60    normal work low temperatures
  750MHz   60 - 80    reduce under loads
  185MHz   80 +       critical temperatures

But cpufreq-set do not work and I /proc/acpi/
there is no support for changing CPU freq.

Thanks,
Artyom

--- In linux-dell-laptops@yahoogroups.com, James Frye <frye@...> wrote:
> Can't help with the other questions, but I have a similar model, and
I can
> definitely hear the fan when I'm running a long compute-intensive
program.
> I also (IIRC) don't get CPU temps that high, or see slowdown for
thermal
> protection, so broken fan would be my first guess.
>
> James
>

All,

I recently installed Xandros Linux 3.0.3 on my Dell Latitude D610.

I have it set to dual boot between XP Pro and Xandros.  Everything
went fine, except Xandros does not see my Dell 1370 Wireless LAN card.

It sees my Ethernet card, and I can connect through it, and my
wireless works in XP Pro.

I tried NDIS Wrapper with the bcmwl5.inf driver, but the wireless card
still does not show up in my Network Control panel.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as i would like to move
completely away from XP, but can't until my wireless works!

Thanks,

Trent

Hello,

I had found the solution for clock control according
to the temperature of the CPU.

I had to load following modules:

speedstep_ich
cpufreq_stats
cpufreq_powersave

and then I had installed cpufreqd that had given me the solution

I just adjusted a little temperature ranges in /erc/cpufreqd.conf
and thats it. Even at heavy long loads I get maximum to 75C and
the clock is reduced to 750MHz and normally it works on 1GHz at
temperatures of about 55C.

Artyom


--- In linux-dell-laptops@yahoogroups.com, "artyomtnk" <artyomtnk@...>
> If I was able to adjust the CPU frequency according
> to temperature thresholds:
>
> 1000MHz      - 60    normal work low temperatures
>  750MHz   60 - 80    reduce under loads
>  185MHz   80 +       critical temperatures
>
> But cpufreq-set do not work and I /proc/acpi/
> there is no support for changing CPU freq.
>
> Thanks,
> Artyom

On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 10:43 (-0000), kerbachi wrote:

> Hi every one,

> I am trying to compile a custom kernel on the DELL Latitude D620, but
> when booting i get the error:

> VFS: cannot open root device "sda6" or unknown-block(0,0)
> please append a corretc "root=" boot option
> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
> unknown-bloc(0,0)

snip

> If some one had complied a custom kernel with success, please send me
> the .config file.

Maybe you've solved the problem by now, but did you try giving the
correct "root=" option as it says above?

My .config isn't necessarily going to do you any good, but I can send
it to you if you really want.  Do you have the right filesystems
compiled into your kernel (not as modules) or them included in an
initrd file?

				 Jim

On 4/13/07, kerbachi <kerbachi_m@...> wrote:
> Hi every one,
>
> I am trying to compile a custom kernel on the DELL Latitude D620, but
> when booting i get the error:
>
> VFS: cannot open root device "sda6" or unknown-block(0,0)
> please append a corretc "root=" boot option
> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
> unknown-bloc(0,0)
>
>
>
> hereis the outpu of #lspci
>
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and
> 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and
> 945GT Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High
> Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express
> Port 1 (rev 01)
> 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express
> Port 2 (rev 01)
> 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express
> Port 3 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
> UHCI #1 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
> UHCI #2 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
> UHCI #3 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB
> UHCI #4 (rev 01)
> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2
> EHCI Controller (rev 01)
> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e1)
> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface
> Bridge (rev 01)
> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family)
> Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01)
> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller
> (rev 01)
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 110M
> / GeForce Go 7300 (rev a1)
> 03:01.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ601/6912/711E0
> CardBus/SmartCardBus Controller (rev 40)
> 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752
> Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 UART (rev 01)
>
>
>
> If some one had complied a custom kernel with success, please send me
> the .config file.
>
> Thanks
>

Note that if you're not using an initrd, you will need to compile
support for your ide chipset into your kernel, and ditto for your file
system.

Regards, Alexander Toresson

Hi,

Though this is not directly related to linux, but would appreciate any
kind of help.

I have a inspiron 510m, which is around 2.5 years old (running fedora
core 2). It was working perfectly fine till now, but today it hanged 3
times and now it not booting up. On pressing power button power,
hard-disk LED comes up along with keyboard LEDs (but without any
activity on LCD screen) and then everything goes off. During this time
processor fan also seem to work. I tried this a number of times and
one time I was able to get into BIOS setup, but while browsing the
setup setting it again hanged. Battery is also fully charged, and I
also tried with and without AC adapter, but that also doesn't work.
What could be the problem, any ideas?

Thanks,
Alwin

On Fri, May  4, 2007 at 14:15 (-0000), Alwin Gupta wrote:

> Hi,

> Though this is not directly related to linux, but would appreciate any
> kind of help.

> I have a inspiron 510m, which is around 2.5 years old (running fedora
> core 2). It was working perfectly fine till now, but today it hanged 3
> times and now it not booting up. On pressing power button power,
> hard-disk LED comes up along with keyboard LEDs (but without any
> activity on LCD screen) and then everything goes off. During this time
> processor fan also seem to work. I tried this a number of times and
> one time I was able to get into BIOS setup, but while browsing the
> setup setting it again hanged. Battery is also fully charged, and I
> also tried with and without AC adapter, but that also doesn't work.
> What could be the problem, any ideas?

Alwin,

as someone else suggested, check your memory (if you can).

Your symptoms sound reminiscent of mine when the mobo in a D600 rolled
over and died... I hope for your sake it is your memory!

				 Jim

Jim, LV Gandhi,

Thanks for your suggestions. After removing and reinstalling reserve
battery and memory, it came up. I downloaded memtest memory testing
utility and it gave no indication of any memory error. I left memtest
running for around 6 hours. My laptop is a bit better now, but hangs
once in around 12 hours or so. Looks like something else other than
memory is going bad..

-Alwin



--- In linux-dell-laptops@yahoogroups.com, Jim Diamond <zsd@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, May  4, 2007 at 14:15 (-0000), Alwin Gupta wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > Though this is not directly related to linux, but would appreciate any
> > kind of help.
>
> > I have a inspiron 510m, which is around 2.5 years old (running fedora
> > core 2). It was working perfectly fine till now, but today it hanged 3
> > times and now it not booting up. On pressing power button power,
> > hard-disk LED comes up along with keyboard LEDs (but without any
> > activity on LCD screen) and then everything goes off. During this time
> > processor fan also seem to work. I tried this a number of times and
> > one time I was able to get into BIOS setup, but while browsing the
> > setup setting it again hanged. Battery is also fully charged, and I
> > also tried with and without AC adapter, but that also doesn't work.
> > What could be the problem, any ideas?
>
> Alwin,
>
> as someone else suggested, check your memory (if you can).
>
> Your symptoms sound reminiscent of mine when the mobo in a D600 rolled
> over and died... I hope for your sake it is your memory!
>
> 			 Jim
>

the extender http://www.bloak.net/qwxy

Hi All,

I have been using Dell Insipiron 510m since last 2-1/2 year and now
its dead. I am planning to buy another laptop, but this time I am
looking out for HP laptops, specifically HP nc6400 business series
laptops. This series has a pretty cool configuration 1.83GHz core 2
duo processor with 14.1 in wide display of 1440x900 resolution and
other things. Please let me know your feedbacks/comments on HP
laptops, if any, (except that it is a bit overpriced as compared to
Dell) about the product quality + support from HP.

Thanks,
Alwin

PS: For model to model comparison between Dell and HP, please visit
the following links:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/in/en/sm/WF06b/1090709-1124051-1124051-1124051-12\
434656-12401284-78063277.html

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d630?c=in&cs=\
inbsd1&l=en&s=bsd

Hi All,

I have been using Dell Insipiron 510m since last 2-1/2 year and now
its dead. I am planning to buy another laptop, but this time I am
looking out for HP laptops, specifically HP nc6400 business series
laptops. This series has a pretty cool configuration 1.83GHz core 2
duo processor with 14.1 in wide display of 1440x900 resolution and
other things. Please let me know your feedbacks/comments on HP
laptops, if any, (except that it is a bit overpriced as compared to
Dell) about the product quality + support from HP.

Thanks,
Alwin

PS: For model to model comparison between Dell and HP, please visit
the following links:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/in/en/sm/WF06b/1090709-1124051-1124051-1124051-12434656-12401284-78063277.html

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d630?c=in&cs=inbsd1&l=en&s=bsd

Has any one heard the date when Dell will start taking orders for
notebooks with preinstalled Ubuntu?

I will be out of the office starting  21/05/2007 and will not return until
29/05/2007.

I will respond to your message as soon as I can. For urgent matters please
contact our service center at 02/717.08.00 or contact@....

Have a nice time !

De Ruyck Jos

Thank you very much for the date.  I have the specs for a notebook and
plan to be on the phone first thing Thursday AM to place my order.
Arthur Raynolds


On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 12:50 -0500, uteck wrote:
> I think the 24th they start, but it will be a limited selection.  I
> get the feeling they may try to kill the program off like they did
> last time by making it hard to find the Linux versions and making then
> more expensive then the MS version.
>
>
>
> On 5/20/07, Arthur <ARdiver@...> wrote:
>         Has any one heard the date when Dell will start taking orders
>         for
>         notebooks with preinstalled Ubuntu?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> no .sig found
> Please restart your browser.
>
>
>

Does Ubuntu have rpm (for managing software installations)?


On 05/21/2007 07:02 PM somebody named Arthur Raynolds wrote:
> Thank you very much for the date.  I have the specs for a notebook and
> plan to be on the phone first thing Thursday AM to place my order.
> Arthur Raynolds
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 12:50 -0500, uteck wrote:
>> I think the 24th they start, but it will be a limited selection.  I
>> get the feeling they may try to kill the program off like they did
>> last time by making it hard to find the Linux versions and making then
>> more expensive then the MS version.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/20/07, Arthur <ARdiver@...> wrote:
>>         Has any one heard the date when Dell will start taking orders
>>         for
>>         notebooks with preinstalled Ubuntu?

--
"This world ain't big enough for the both of us,"
said the big noema to the little noema.

ken wrote:
> Does Ubuntu have rpm (for managing software installations)?
>
>

Ken, are you asking whether Ubuntu uses rpm as its primary software
management tool, or whether it's possible to use rpm? Ubuntu being a
Debian relative uses the synaptic package manager. There are tools to
convert a .rpm package to a .deb package so you can use rpm software. I
have used the alien program, which works well. I have some old rpm
software I've been carrying around for years since 1998. When I switched
from Slackware to Ubuntu, I used alien to convert my old xgammon.rpm
package to xgammon.deb, and then installed it. Of course I was using
RedHat when I got the rpm packages, before Fedora of course. I loved
Slackware, but Ubuntu package management is much, much easier to use. I
actually find the debian style a little better than RedHat's. Ubuntu
notifies me when there are updates for programs or the system, and then
lets me update or upgrade right then and there. Good luck. --Douglas
--

******

Douglas S. Oliver

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
    and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein

"....What right do I have to think?" --Ugarte, December 1941

******

On 05/22/2007 02:29 PM somebody named Douglas S. Oliver wrote:
> ken wrote:
>> Does Ubuntu have rpm (for managing software installations)?
>>
>>
>
> Ken, are you asking whether Ubuntu uses rpm as its primary software
> management tool, or whether it's possible to use rpm? Ubuntu being a
> Debian relative uses the synaptic package manager. There are tools to
> convert a .rpm package to a .deb package so you can use rpm software. I
> have used the alien program, which works well. I have some old rpm
> software I've been carrying around for years since 1998. When I switched
> from Slackware to Ubuntu, I used alien to convert my old xgammon.rpm
> package to xgammon.deb, and then installed it. Of course I was using
> RedHat when I got the rpm packages, before Fedora of course. I loved
> Slackware, but Ubuntu package management is much, much easier to use. I
> actually find the debian style a little better than RedHat's. Ubuntu
> notifies me when there are updates for programs or the system, and then
> lets me update or upgrade right then and there. Good luck. --Douglas

Thanks much, Douglas.  It sounds like .deb packages are what I'd have to
use.  I suppose that's okay.  Though I ran a debian system a long time
ago, I've been using redhat and suse much longer.  I guess I could get
used to another package management system if other things about Ubuntu
were compelling enough.

At the moment I'm running suse 9.3 on a Dell Inspiron 600m.  Tricky
hardware things that work fairly well are the wireless (802.11b/g),
sleep, suspend, usb, CD and DVD burning, etc.  Though I've had this
machine for going on three years, there's a lot that I haven't run
through the paces... like the hot swap bay that takes, alternatively,
floppy drive or CD-DVD burner or spare battery.  Also, I've never once
attempted to use the fax/modem, though there's been a time or two when,
if I knew the fax was going to work the first time and without hassling
with it for more than ten minutes, I would have used it.

The big question is, does Ubuntu handle all these hardware things well?
  Will sleep and suspend function out of the box?

Currently when I'm in a cybercafe and want to hook up to their wireless
AP, I have to toy with several CLI tools to get a connection, sometimes
even add in by hand an item into the routing table.  The dumb blonde
next to using Windows hooks up the first time without knowing what she's
doing, while I have to engineer the connection for five or ten minutes
before it's working.

Sometimes the hot swap works fine, sometimes not.  And hald is rather
complex and not sufficiently documented, at least not for me to be able
to figure out how to make it more reliable.  So I end up rebooting
rather than hot swapping.  Yech!

So are these easier on Ubuntu?  Can I pop in a DVD and watch a movie?
Is connecting to a never-seen-before wireless AP fast and easy like
clicking on a menu?

In the beginning I was asking about Ubuntu, but I'll go for any linux
distro that has these hardware issues figured out.

Comments/responses?

Oh, yeah.  One other thing.  I like to compile packages from source code
and have managed to configure my gcc so that the executables are
optimized for my "mobile" processor.  So does the Ubuntu package manager
permit compiling from source?  Is it one step more than just installing
a binary...? or more like five or ten more steps?  How well are mutual
dependencies handled when compiling from source code packages with
Ubuntu?  (The process for doing this using rpm runs from Ugly to
Impossible.)

Thanks for any input.



--
"This world ain't big enough for the both of us,"
said the big noema to the little noema.

ken wrote:
> On 05/22/2007 02:29 PM somebody named Douglas S. Oliver wrote:

> Comments/responses?
>
> Oh, yeah.  One other thing.  I like to compile packages from source code
> and have managed to configure my gcc so that the executables are
> optimized for my "mobile" processor.  So does the Ubuntu package manager
> permit compiling from source?  Is it one step more than just installing
> a binary...? or more like five or ten more steps?  How well are mutual
> dependencies handled when compiling from source code packages with
> Ubuntu?  (The process for doing this using rpm runs from Ugly to
> Impossible.)
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
Wow, Ken. You've asked a lot of questions here. I'm using an i8600. With
Slackware I had to do a lot of gymnastics to get things working, and
some never worked. When I switched to Ubuntu Feisty, I was shocked to
find that everything I needed worked out of the box--wireless, i8k
buttons, audio, etc. I just made a couple of little tweaks, for example
I made a root account so I could su - and not have to sudo for all my
work. Sudo is fine and safer, but if I need to run a number of programs
that need root access, it's easier to simply become root. To do that, I
simply needed to make a root password. I used: sudo passwd and entered
the new password when prompted--really easy. Because I often prefer to
use a text console with my favorite programs, I had to install the
programs that don't typically come with X. For example, vim, joe. As far
as I know, all the usual compiling programs are there by default, and if
not, they're easy to install. It is not easy to boot directly into a
text console. You have to remove the gdm boot script from the rc3 folder
(I'm on a Mac right now and I'm tired, so I'm guessing the specifics
here.) This is actually me being silly now, because I could do
everything from the X window system. I don't personally use suspend, so
I can't comment on that. Everything else has worked though. I used to
love the rpm management system, but since using the debian system in
Ubundu, I've found it smoother to use. I haven't tried it yet, but I
think you can actually use rpm directly in Ubuntu. You wouldn't really
want to though, unless like me you have some favorite apps in rpm
format. Keep in mind that almost all software has gone through debian so
is available in .deb format. Good luck. --Douglas

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    and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein

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On 05/23/2007 03:36 AM somebody named Douglas S. Oliver wrote:
> ken wrote:
>> On 05/22/2007 02:29 PM somebody named Douglas S. Oliver wrote:
>
>> Comments/responses?
>>
>> Oh, yeah.  One other thing.  I like to compile packages from source code
>> and have managed to configure my gcc so that the executables are
>> optimized for my "mobile" processor.  So does the Ubuntu package manager
>> permit compiling from source?  Is it one step more than just installing
>> a binary...? or more like five or ten more steps?  How well are mutual
>> dependencies handled when compiling from source code packages with
>> Ubuntu?  (The process for doing this using rpm runs from Ugly to
>> Impossible.)
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
> Wow, Ken. You've asked a lot of questions here.

Yeah.  Well, installing Linux on a laptop does involve a lot of issues,
issues which, I've found, are different from one distro to another.
Installing Linux for a server, on the other hand, isn't a big deal
anymore and can be done in basically fifteen minutes.  When dealing with
so many hardware items, an install can bring up a lot of problems
(again, depending upon the distro).  I'm hoping that by picking the
right distro, I can save myself a few days of wrestling with the install.


> I'm using an i8600. With Slackware I had to do a lot of gymnastics to
> get things working, and some never worked. When I switched to Ubuntu
> Feisty, I was shocked to find that everything I needed worked out of
> the box--wireless, i8k buttons, audio, etc.

That's good news.  I forgot to mention audio, I guess because suse
handled that okay for me.  I did have to use gnome to configure the
audio buttons though... and the suspend trigger.


> I just made a couple of little tweaks, for example I made a root
> account so I could su - and not have to sudo for all my work. Sudo is
> fine and safer, but if I need to run a number of programs that need
> root access, it's easier to simply become root. To do that, I simply
> needed to make a root password. I used: sudo passwd and entered the
> new password when prompted--really easy.

Every linux distro I've ever installed (dozens... going back to kernel
v.0.9.13) always required creating a root password as part of the
initial install of the system.  (?)


> Because I often prefer to use a text console with my favorite
> programs, I had to install the programs that don't typically come
> with X. For example, vim, joe. As far as I know, all the usual
> compiling programs are there by default, and if not, they're easy to
> install. It is not easy to boot directly into a text console.

Do you mean boot up *not* into the GUI...?  so that you have just a
black and white screen with a CLI prompt?



> You have to remove the gdm boot script from the rc3 folder (I'm on a
> Mac right now and I'm tired, so I'm guessing the specifics here.)
> This is actually me being silly now, because I could do everything
> from the X window system. I don't personally use suspend, so I can't
> comment on that.

I love being able to suspend.  I can stop in the middle of, say, writing
an email, in the middle of typing a word-- at the same time in the
middle of creating a graphic in the gimp-- at the same time in the
middle of typing a bash command in a terminal window-- and just shut the
lid.  Then I can take the laptop to a cybercafe, open the lid, jigger
with the wireless/networking to get an internet connection, and continue
working on everything just like I was back at home.  When I'm done at
the cybercafe, again in the middle of a half dozen tasks, I can close
the lid, go back home, and continue with everything right where I left
off before closing the lid.  This laptop has had uptimes of 44 days
(without a shutdown or reboot) and this could have been longer if I
would have specifically worked at it.


> Everything else has worked though. I used to love the rpm management
> system, but since using the debian system in Ubundu, I've found it
> smoother to use. I haven't tried it yet, but I think you can actually
> use rpm directly in Ubuntu. You wouldn't really want to though,
> unless like me you have some favorite apps in rpm format. Keep in
> mind that almost all software has gone through debian so is available
> in .deb format. Good luck. --Douglas

Has anyone here ever created a debian package.  I looked into making rpm
packages, but after reading a lot of documentation, I didn't know any
better how to do it than when I started.  Supposedly there's some "easy"
front end for creating rpm packages.  I don't know that there's a
connection, but since hearing about this front end I've encountered suse
RPMs which errored out and would not install due to errors in the RPM
package itself (something about a "missing description field").  So if
creating a .deb package is straightforward, that would be a plus also.
So anyone here ever create a .deb package?


tnx++,
ken

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ken wrote:

  >
>> I just made a couple of little tweaks, for example I made a root
>> account so I could su - and not have to sudo for all my work. Sudo is
>> fine and safer, but if I need to run a number of programs that need
>> root access, it's easier to simply become root. To do that, I simply
>> needed to make a root password. I used: sudo passwd and entered the
>> new password when prompted--really easy.
>
> Every linux distro I've ever installed (dozens... going back to kernel
> v.0.9.13) always required creating a root password as part of the
> initial install of the system.  (?)

Well this is one of the interesting surprises with Ubuntu. At set up and
install, you're only asked for a personal password--NOT root. That's why
everything has to be done via sudo. It took me a second to realize what
I needed to do. Once I set up a true root password, I was all set to go.
>
>> Because I often prefer to use a text console with my favorite
>> programs, I had to install the programs that don't typically come
>> with X. For example, vim, joe. As far as I know, all the usual
>> compiling programs are there by default, and if not, they're easy to
>> install. It is not easy to boot directly into a text console.
>
> Do you mean boot up *not* into the GUI...?  so that you have just a
> black and white screen with a CLI prompt?

Yup.

>> You have to remove the gdm boot script from the rc3 folder (I'm on a

That's remove the /etc/rc3.d/S13gdm soft linked file. Ubuntu basically
copies or links all the rcX.d files to the same place. This means that
if you want to force a cli or tui, you need to telinit 1. Of course, if
I'm correct, you then do not have the multi user protections present in
run level 3. Stopping the gui from loading makes it kind of like RedHat
run level 3, which is how I first learned to use Linux in 1998. I first
started using computers in 1976 pre dos days, so I don't shy away from a
B/W terminal.

Take care, Douglas


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"....What right do I have to think?" --Ugarte, December 1941

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On 05/23/2007 01:51 PM somebody named Douglas S. Oliver wrote:
> ken wrote:
>
>
>>> I just made a couple of little tweaks, for example I made a root
>>> account so I could su - and not have to sudo for all my work. Sudo is
>>> fine and safer, but if I need to run a number of programs that need
>>> root access, it's easier to simply become root. To do that, I simply
>>> needed to make a root password. I used: sudo passwd and entered the
>>> new password when prompted--really easy.

Given the below, this is a good thing to know about Ubuntu.  I too spend
  quite a bit of time as root, so much so that I perpetually have a
terminal window logged into root so I can jump to it, run a few or a few
dozen commands, and then get back to what I was doing previously.  I
couldn't see having to type a passphrase that often and would think that
it could actually be *less* secure in some circumstances.


>> Every linux distro I've ever installed (dozens... going back to kernel
>> v.0.9.13) always required creating a root password as part of the
>> initial install of the system.  (?)
>
> Well this is one of the interesting surprises with Ubuntu. At set up and
> install, you're only asked for a personal password--NOT root. That's why
> everything has to be done via sudo. It took me a second to realize what
> I needed to do. Once I set up a true root password, I was all set to go.

If I go with Ubuntu, I'll be doing the same


>>> Because I often prefer to use a text console with my favorite
>>> programs, I had to install the programs that don't typically come
>>> with X. For example, vim, joe. As far as I know, all the usual
>>> compiling programs are there by default, and if not, they're easy to
>>> install. It is not easy to boot directly into a text console.
>> Do you mean boot up *not* into the GUI...?  so that you have just a
>> black and white screen with a CLI prompt?
>
> Yup.
>
>>> You have to remove the gdm boot script from the rc3 folder (I'm on a
>
> That's remove the /etc/rc3.d/S13gdm soft linked file. Ubuntu basically
> copies or links all the rcX.d files to the same place. This means that
> if you want to force a cli or tui, you need to telinit 1. Of course, if
> I'm correct, you then do not have the multi user protections present in
> run level 3. Stopping the gui from loading makes it kind of like RedHat
> run level 3, which is how I first learned to use Linux in 1998. I first
> started using computers in 1976 pre dos days, so I don't shy away from a
> B/W terminal.

The standard way to do this has always been to edit /etc/inittab,
changing the line

id:5:initdefault:

to

id:3:initdefault:

(changing the runlevel from "5" to "3").

Does Ubuntu deviate from this tradition/standard also?


>
> Take care, Douglas

Good talking with you,
ken



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