Hi Ringo,

I understand your concern.

Hi everyone,

On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 18:21 +0530, Pebam Ringo wrote:
>
> But things got a different turn as we came along.
>
> There are guys who are willing to follow the open source philosophies
> of sharing the knowledge but
> Unfortunately have been into "Windows" based works. So, from their
> point of view we cannot blame
>
I didn't say we will enforce that only Linux related stuffs should be
discussed in this mailing list. What I said were my opinions and other
people have their own.

Also, discussing windows related stuffs is fine in this forum (I don't
remember I having any objection to that). In fact, it does similarly
happen in other Linux related mailing lists.

All I said was that I personally will not be able to help on those
discussions since (1) I have zero knowledge of windows related stuffs
(2) I have different believes. But there are other guys who are more
willing to take part on these discussions and they are more than
welcome.

However, I did object to changing the theme and purpose of this forum.
Some guy proposed it be changed to a general "Tech forum". There are
more than thousands of much better tech forums already. Many of them are
well specialized in their respective fields.

Why then we start a new one? I don't see any specific reason to start a
Manipuri specific tech forum, especially since you are likely to get
more accurate responses to your tech problems at those specialized
forums.

The proposed change is a completely orthogonal goal to our initial goal.
This forum will turn into a simple ask-and-answer forum without having
any real quest. If you read my earlier mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-manipur/message/10,

     you will notice that the goal is to setup a community, which is much
more than simple ask-n-answer forum. A community which will be a service
community for helping people *outside* this forum, -- the people of
Manipur, to make their life much better with free/open source
technologies. Right now they are all struggling with VB programming,
spending huge money and getting nowhere. Our goal would be to guide them
into a world where technological knowledge and resources are infinite.

If all you want is some answers to your technical problems, I can point
to a dozen links that *already* answered those questions (so to say).
Hence the point that we should not deviate from our initial goal.

Most of members of this list are already, to some extend, established in
there respective fields. What I want is to work collectively and bring
our fortunate positions to help those who are not yet so fortunate
enough and have been misguided by the *system*.

And since we can't help all the people in the world, LUG has been
divided into various regional groups, each group guiding their own
regions. Please look at this list for other LUGs in India.

http://linux-india.org/index.pl?id=2198&isa=Category&op=show

If you scroll down, you will notice that the link on "Manipur" region is
empty. We want that thing filled up. If we don't do it now, someone else
will later. Ours would be just an attempt.

> Them for what they are into. And it's very _good_ thing that they are
> willing to help and like the idea of sharing.
>
Yes, I am also glad that everyone is so enthusiastic about this
development.

Please note that one does not have to be familiar with Linux to help in
such community. As long as you have the spirit, consider yourself
in :-). I have seen many people around who use windows actively, but
still participate in LUG activities. For many, using windows is just a
requirement in their day to day life and I don't see why that should be
a deterrent to our goals.

Again, let me emphasis that I am talking about "goals", not "means".
Please feel free to discuss anything including setting up websites,
starting new projects, writing kernel modules, arranging a bear party,
exchanging ideas and helping solve problems etc.

> I know everybody wants to do something, but is not very sure of what
> to do.
> "With this in mind shall I ask the guys to speak out the ideas,
> whatever idea - good or bad

Yes please. everyone's comment is welcome.

> in this group (one reason why we invited to them to join group) till
> we come up with a plan ??"
> else they will be reluctant when they see our _strong_ open source
> based emails.
>
I am sorry if my emails sounded strong, but they are just my opinions
and are not intended to be taken personally. So enjoy the discussion and
feel free to throw blames, comments, questions or suggestions :-).

Anyway, have a look at this also:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html

Regards,
-Naba

Dear friends,
To be honest, I am ready to contribute whatever I have. I think it's the
right time, right strategy to be challenging in the open frame PlatForm..
I realise some guys are strong enough and have potentials in C, C++ for
developing utilities that can be embbedded in LINUX OS.
How can one be selfish in such a situation!

Briefly First Please depict the SRS:
Distribut modules:
Finished & unit tested modules will be exchanged:
Besides queries/answers will be exchanged:
  Thank U pioneers who manage our new Group.
I wish to develop a better Office Editor in LINUX.

regards,
Jiten

Hi to all,
                  I think it will be better if the personal ids are
used and not the official ids, saying frankly some people may be
disturbed and they may not like it personally, whatever it is its
their choice and you cant impose anything on them.
                  A very practical and perfect modality has to be
formulated based on which all decisions regarding this group will be
taken.

                  I m ready to help...lets carry on with this...lets
keep the faith...

  sanad.

hi naba ..
  i understand the philos of FS..and am  very much
part of it !! ... and i appreciate your thouughts and
the stand !!!
well to tell you frankly, i've understand the system
..to quote your statement (It's a different
  thing if he/she doesn't agree with it and be remain
  part the illusion  created by a few selfish
people..-- i understand the meaning)..  and i've this
urge of destroying it !! call it a self-diminishing
brute.. !!
...
anyway .. our conversation can go on and on ..but
putting it shortly ...we understand our own existence
..... and i think dats fuel enuff to carry this cause
to  scale the dizzy heights..!!

on a personal front : me feel this is going to be
something .. wat say ? Ringo !! ;-)

so long ..
anthony




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Hi Shagkar,

On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 19:23 +0530, Shagkar Meitei wrote:
> I would like Naba to tell us something about how he co-ordinate his
> development team… all the issues related to development cycle ,
>
> testing cycle and others like  bug fixing  , maintaining
> repositories ,building  and releases.  ( those interested
>
> in technical stuff might not like itJ ..anyway we can talk technical
> in length later!!)
>
Since it's going to be a long mail, I will send it in a couple of days.

Thanks.

Regards,
-Naba

Hi,

I know that we all came up and stood up for linux and open source, that's how this had started !!
And specially Nila was very keen on linux, from one of his yesterday's mail.

But things got a different turn as we came along.

There are guys who are willing to follow the open source philosophies of sharing the knowledge but
Unfortunately have been into "Windows" based works. So, from their point of view we cannot blame
Them for what they are into. And it's very _good_ thing that they are willing to help and like
the idea of sharing.

The different lies in "Windows" and "Linux", "Propriety" and "Open source",
but the idea of  "_sharing_"  remains the same.

So regardless of the _ownership_ of the software or the _system_ we are living, I think we have the
same _ideology_ of sharing and helping each other, in whatever field we are into.

I know everybody wants to do something, but is not very sure of what to do.
"With this in mind shall I ask the guys to speak out the ideas, whatever idea - good or bad
in this group (one reason why we invited to them to join group) till we come up with a plan ??"
else they will be reluctant when they see our _strong_ open source based emails.

I am asking this esp to Nila, Naba, Shagkar for I know that you are very much _keen_ in Linux.

~ringo

Hi,

I know that we all came up and stood up for linux and open source, that's how this had started !!
And specially Nila was very keen on linux, from one of his yesterday's mail.

But things got a different turn as we came along.

There are guys who are willing to follow the open source philosophies of sharing the knowledge but
Unfortunately have been into "Windows" based works. So, from their point of view we cannot blame
Them for what they are into. And it's very _good_ thing that they are willing to help and like
the idea of sharing.

The different lies in "Windows" and "Linux", "Propriety" and "Open source",
but the idea of  "_sharing_"  remains the same.

So regardless of the _ownership_ of the software or the _system_ we are living, I think we have the
same _ideology_ of sharing and helping each other, in whatever field we are into.

I know everybody wants to do something, but is not very sure of what to do.
"With this in mind shall I ask the guys to speak out the ideas, whatever idea - good or bad
in this group (one reason why we invited to them to join group) till we come up with a plan ??"
else they will be reluctant when they see our _strong_ open source based emails.

I am asking this esp to Nila, Naba, Shagkar for I know that you are very much _keen_ in Linux.

~ringo

Hi Noabi,

On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 14:49, tull_chirom wrote:
> but strictly speaking, ppl have diffenent philos and foolos  ;-)
> watever you said is true to the meaaning of your philo..mebbe like
> minded ppl will appreciate yours (which i am ) and some may not ...

It's a movement we should make everyone understand. It's a different
thing if he/she doesn't agree with it and be remain part the illusion
created by a few selfish people.

As you know, it was not simply started because someone found it "cool"
doing so. It was a result of a dangerous flaw in the system that had the
potential to throw humanity into a freedom-less world -- a world where
software progress would be strictly controlled by a few giants and the
rest becoming their puppets, subjugating innovations and suppression of
software technologies.

The "Free software foundation", founded by Richard Stallman in 1985, is
to spread a movement where all software code is free from any kind of
such subjugation. Hence, promoting sharing of knowledge, accelerating
software innovations and most importantly "freeing" everyone to learn
from others work.

Well, that's what the real picture is. However, the purpose of our
little forum is just to bring that awareness to those we can reach and
help each other in whatever way we can. No matter how small our activity
in here will be, it will still be a contribution to the free/open source
software community.

> but i feel that watever i have gathered all these yrs will mebbe of
> some help to others ..

Well, well. Although you seem to have disagreed with the FSF philosophy,
you know what, you have just suggested a smaller version of your own
free software movement :-).

By *feeling* that you want to help others with what you have learned [in
software domain, I suppose] in your life, you have agreed to be part of
this movement.

Simple as that, the FSF philosophy is about sharing knowledge and what
better way to share software knowledge can there be than sharing the
software code itself?

> coming to your last point " Well my point was, you should all do the
> same :-) " ..
> well isn't this a bit ironical one ;-) .. i dont know how other
> feels .. this is what i feel .. i have my own idea but i need to
> survive and i have to survive .. so i have to work on somebody's idea
> (for the time bbieng) to keep my engine runnning ..(dats the only
> difference

You brought up the topic of 'survival', but I don't know how that will
affect the situation. Anyway, let me show the "money" side of it. You
are looking at a very small picture (a picture where you have a job and
an idea and you can't spare time to work on that idea etc..).

However, look at a different picture. A picture where, for example, I
don't have a job and I am a student. I can't learn anything from other's
source code because they are all closed-source. No one will come forward
to help me, unless I pay them. If I want to learn something and succeed
in my life, I have to pay huge amount of money to buy the softwares (and
keep on paying for upgrades).

After going through all these, I still can't learn from good source
codes, because they will only give you binaries and I have to depend on
good teachers. But there won't be any good teachers because they have
also not learned from other great works. If I somehow find a good
teacher, he will charge sky-rocking price because he had spent
sky-rocking money to learn from other good teachers.

So on it goes ... and I end up with a MCSE degree and proficiency in
VB++ after spending 2 lakhs without any job. However, I successfully
made some profit for the world's richest man.

That, my friend, is what I would call starving and that was exactly what
the world was going towards before the FSF movement.

On the other hand, coming back to your picture, someone having a job now
would have had a much better knowledge of software development (and
perhaps better job because of that) if he/she had learned from the vast
free softwares done by other great people than without them. Then he/she
can contribute back to the community to help others learn more. The
contributions could be in form of either helping out the community or
(if you are capable of writing codes) extending the existing free
softwares.

I, and most Manipuris in general, are not rich so we need to learn from
free softwares and also feel obliged to contribute back (not necessarily
now, but when we have learned from its vast software resources and have
a better life because of that). -- The "Freedom of knowledge" in work,
indeed. Don't you think?

> .. ultimately that is where we will all land up .. only the
> difference is you are there first !! ..
>
That's why I and you and others who are in the community should help
others accept the philosophy of free softwares and help them.

Regards,
-Naba

hi dear friends,
glade to see u all. i feel great for u all.
we should exchange our knowlegde in any field not only LINUX.
i am a programmer in NIC..i don't have much abt. linux, however,
i am concern for an rdbms oracle9i on linux. i have started my
application activities like import,export..I'll learn more from You.
I AM JUST A DROP OF WATER IN THE SEA.
WISH U ALL THE BEST.

JITEN HAOBAM
programmer
NIC, JSU, Ranchi

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                  Linus and Andrew Morton - 2003 Kernel Summit, Ottawa

Linus Torvalds has revealed he is happy to be the poster boy for the anti-Microsoft campaign but would not know what to say if he met Bill Gates.

Talking to BBC World ClickOnline at his home in Silicon Valley, the inventor of the Linux operating system admitted that he has never been in the same room with his arch-rival.

"We have been at the same conferences but never in the same room. I wouldn't know what to say to him," he told ClickOnline.

Mr Torvalds enjoys the notoriety he has achieved as the man that challenged the Microsoft empire with his open source alternative operating system.

Rising to the challenge
"In a way it is fun. I'm pleased to be a poster boy. It gives me some self-importance," he said.
He would not, however, want to become personally involved in the dispute with Microsoft.
"I've tried to stay out of the Microsoft debate. If you start doing things because you hate others and want to screw them over the end result is bad," he said.

The main reason he developed Linux in the first place had as much to do with wanting a challenge as being fed up with an operating system that would not do what he wanted it to.

Like most technology projects it ran way over the time allotted to it and, to this day, is not truly finished.
"It was a lot harder than I expected. I thought, like most of my projects, it would talk half a year and then I'd lose interest," he said.

To the relief of his legion of followers he did persevere and eleven years on is still working on it.
Reluctance to change
While Linux is gradually gaining ground on Microsoft it might well not be suitable for everyone, Mr Torvalds admitted.
"Most people don't want to change. They may hate Windows but they run it despite that because, quite frankly, they don't care about computers," he said.

And even those that do care, often install Linux without much idea of what they want it to do, he said.
Mr Torvalds is not convinced that the open source movement, which has radically altered both the operating system landscape and the mindset of Microsoft itself, will ever entirely topple the Gates empire.

"I think, in the end, Linux will be a big part of why it happens but Microsoft is not going to shrink into nothingness in the foreseeable future," he said.

Instead it is more likely that Microsoft will become like IBM - "still huge but not the dominant force anymore", he said.

The world of coding is beginning to lose importance as Mr Torvalds, ubergeek, admits he has finally found a balance between work and play.

Uber-geek grows up
"I have a life too. I have kids now. Linux has been a big part of my life but now I want to have my own time," he told ClickOnline.

He revealed that he is more likely to have childrens' parties with bouncy castle and candyfloss than to have a bunch of programmers round.

"Part of doing Linux was that I had to communicate a lot more instead of just being a geek in front of a computer.
"It has made me more used to talking to people. I still like coding but I have other things to do," he said.
Although his followers would dispute it, Mr Torvalds is not convinced the phenomenon of Linux has made him entirely cool.

"No-one has ever called me a cool dude. I'm somewhere between geek and normal," he said.

well said .. Naba ..
i think this is first time we are meeting ..hrd a lot abt you from
ringo  while i was in blore !!
but strictly speaking, ppl have diffenent philos and foolos  ;-)
watever you said is true to the meaaning of your philo..mebbe like
minded ppl will appreciate yours (which i am ) and some may not ...
but i feel that watever i have gathered all these yrs will mebbe of
some help to others .. yes i agree to your points .. i cant afford to
buys any windows products .. but rather i'd listen to "the doors" :-)
.. )..!!

coming to your last point " Well my point was, you should all do the
same :-) " ..
well isn't this a bit ironical one ;-) .. i dont know how other
feels .. this is what i feel .. i have my own idea but i need to
survive and i have to survive .. so i have to work on somebody's idea
(for the time bbieng) to keep my engine runnning ..(dats the only
difference
.. ultimately that is where we will all land up .. only the
difference is you are there first !! ..

i remain as
naobi

Naba,

You are right, I am with you.

But let this serve as a talking ground for the _time_  _being_ and we can expand to another group.

We (at least we two) are fortunate enough to know what open source is all about,
But there are guys who have no clue about free softwares.
Lets make them understand and if they like it, it's good for them.

Please bear my fren.

~Ringo

-----Original Message-----
From: Naba Kumar [mailto:kh_naba@...]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:03 PM
To: Pebam Ringo
Cc: linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [linux-manipur] Re: Urgent !!

Hi,

On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:37, Pebam Ringo wrote:
> Is this okay ?? Just check the first line - not linux specific !!
>
> 36 of you guys have been invited to the group. and it's  _ not _ going
> to be linux specific,  ....
>
It's true it's not going to be Linux specific, but rather it will be open source related and possibly other *nix relates. And even other non-Linux *free softwares* and technologies.

Windows and windows related stuffs, especially propritory solutions, will be completely NO NO. I don't have money to buy windows stuffs (unless I steal them with piracy and I am not a criminal, so I don't do that).

And nor do I wish to encourage other Manipuri fellows to buy or steal such softwares by helping them on these softwares.

Instead what I will do is help them understand that there are legitimate and powerful softwares (Read: free/open source softwares) that they can use instead of making a hole in their budget or becoming a criminal by stealing the proprietory closed-source softwares.

And those who are looking forward to help on proprietory softwares/technologies, I don't have time for that. Please feel free to go the respective companies. They are waiting for your money.

However I will help anyone who wishes to adopt/use open source softwares. Their authors have contributed 1000 times more than what I might contribute by helping someone, so I don't mind doing it. They probably have spent sleepless nights so that you can enjoy the freedom of knowledge and so I won't mind spending a few minutes to help someone with these open source softwares.

Software is a science and like any other science, it should be free.

Regards,
-Naba

 
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Hi,

On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 14:03, Naba Kumar wrote:

> However I will help anyone who wishes to adopt/use open source
> softwares. Their authors have contributed 1000 times more than what I
> might contribute by helping someone, so I don't mind doing it. They
> probably have spent sleepless nights so that you can enjoy the freedom
> of knowledge and so I won't mind spending a few minutes to help someone
> with these open source softwares.
>
Well my point was, you should all do the same :-)

Regards,
-Naba

Hi,

On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 13:37, Pebam Ringo wrote:
> Is this okay ?? Just check the first line - not linux specific !!
>
> 36 of you guys have been invited to the group. and it's  _ not _
> going to be linux specific,  ....
>
It's true it's not going to be Linux specific, but rather it will be
open source related and possibly other *nix relates. And even other
non-Linux *free softwares* and technologies.

Windows and windows related stuffs, especially propritory solutions,
will be completely NO NO. I don't have money to buy windows stuffs
(unless I steal them with piracy and I am not a criminal, so I don't do
that).

And nor do I wish to encourage other Manipuri fellows to buy or steal
such softwares by helping them on these softwares.

Instead what I will do is help them understand that there are legitimate
and powerful softwares (Read: free/open source softwares) that they can
use instead of making a hole in their budget or becoming a criminal by
stealing the proprietory closed-source softwares.

And those who are looking forward to help on proprietory
softwares/technologies, I don't have time for that. Please feel free to
go the respective companies. They are waiting for your money.

However I will help anyone who wishes to adopt/use open source
softwares. Their authors have contributed 1000 times more than what I
might contribute by helping someone, so I don't mind doing it. They
probably have spent sleepless nights so that you can enjoy the freedom
of knowledge and so I won't mind spending a few minutes to help someone
with these open source softwares.

Software is a science and like any other science, it should be free.

Regards,
-Naba

Hi everyone,

I am surprised by the overwhelming response from so many people. The
credit goes to Ringo for bringing everyone in the loop.

Here are some clues to what a LUG (Linux User Group) is for those who
are new to Linux or free softwares.

Setting up a LUG is big task, but I am glad everyone is interested in
it. There are certain guidelines that most LUGs follow. The purpose of a
LUG is to promote Linux and free softwares and further its cause by
exposing it to our locality. Here is a nice link which will give an
initial kick.

http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Linux_PR/newlug.html

Incidentally, LUG's purpose is strictly not just about developing linux
based softwares/programs, as some of you have assumed. It is simply a
community where everyone tries to help each other on Linux related
things. This includes:

- Helping others on Linux related technical hurdles.
- Introducing newcomers to the philosophies of free softwares.
- Performing events that would bring more exposer to Linux and free
softwares.
- Arranging meetings, drives and small conferences delivering talks etc.
- Coordinating with other LUGs.
- Meeting new people and volunteering in various community works.
- Having fun and enjoying your life.

So your contribution does not necessarily have be only technical. There
are lots of stuffs done in a LUG. Meeting people and having fun aside,
there are also works to do :-). Someone has to come forward to maintain
the mailing list, i.e. a list administrator -- I think Ringo is right
now this unfortunate soul :), and someone else to maintain the website
etc..

Here is the link to the Linux India, where we will later put an article
and register our LUG, and links to subscribe to their mailing lists (if
you so wish, but beware that they are high traffic lists). You will also
find some interesting articles and a list of all other LUGs in India.

http://linux-india.org
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-india-help
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-india-general
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-india-programmers

For now I believe we don't need a physical network and a mailing list
would suffice.

But eventually our goal would be to reach the people in Manipur and for
that we will need a physical network there with some responsible people
taking care it.

Regards,
-Naba

Thanks so much, my friend.

PM is after me, can't write or do much right now.

My head is also aching too,
I was at the net till late last night, inviting people.
And I woke up at 6:00 am to catch the company bus.
My PM came just now to see what I have done,
I was bad to find me typing mails on my screen.

Anyway, I am happy that we are going ahead.

And lets surely do that web portal, that u have talked about.
 
~ ringo

-----Original Message-----
From: tull_chirom [mailto:tull_chirom@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:56 PM
To: linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [linux-manipur] to all linux/unix//solaris AFICIONADO's

ringo .. this is mmy first mail to this groups ...
you know better than me .. am lazy as hell these days..
but surprisingly very few mails are here !! and to add to my worry .
there aint any query on linux/anything for dat matters .. neeways, i understand the initial phase bhai ..
 but i look forward a lot of change is goin to come ..

some wise man had sung "the time they are keep a'changing" .. me
think its high time we do the change ...

.. will call up later at night !!!

 
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ringo .. this is mmy first mail to this groups ...
you know better than me .. am lazy as hell these days..
but surprisingly very few mails are here !! and to add to my worry .
there aint any query on linux/anything for dat matters .. neeways, i
understand the initial phase bhai ..
  but i look forward a lot of change is goin to come ..


some wise man had sung "the time they are keep a'changing" .. me
think its high time we do the change ...

.. will call up later at night !!!

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wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Check this one also . A subsequent mail from Linus
>
> finally,we got to do the best..right!! ah, shell programing is
great..and gcc , jdk are best tolls..linux is great..let's do
something best for our people and states..let's help them with our
baest efforts.....
>
> Linus Benedict Torvalds   Oct 5 1991, 8:53 am     hide options
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> Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
> From: torva...@k... (Linus Benedict Torvalds) - Find
> messages by this author
> Date: 5 Oct 91 05:41:06 GMT
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>
> Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and
> wrote
> their own device drivers? Are you without a nice project and just
> dying
> to cut your teeth on a OS you can try to modify for your needs? Are
> you
> finding it frustrating when everything works on minix? No more all-
> nighters to get a nifty program working? Then this post might be
> just
> for you :-)
>
>
> As I mentioned a month(?) ago, I'm working on a free version of a
> minix-lookalike for AT-386 computers.  It has finally reached the
> stage
> where it's even usable (though may not be depending on what you
> want),
> and I am willing to put out the sources for wider distribution.  It
> is
> just version 0.02 (+1 (very small) patch already), but I've
> successfully
> run bash/gcc/gnu-make/gnu-sed/compress etc under it.
>
>
> Sources for this pet project of mine can be found at nic.funet.fi
> (128.214.6.100) in the directory /pub/OS/Linux.  The directory also
> contains some README-file and a couple of binaries to work under
> linux
> (bash, update and gcc, what more can you ask for :-).  Full kernel
> source is provided, as no minix code has been used.  Library
sources
> are
> only partially free, so that cannot be distributed currently.  The
> system is able to compile "as-is" and has been known to work.  Heh.
> Sources to the binaries (bash and gcc) can be found at the same
> place in
> /pub/gnu.
>
>
> ALERT! WARNING! NOTE! These sources still need minix-386 to be
> compiled
> (and gcc-1.40, possibly 1.37.1, haven't tested), and you need minix
> to
> set it up if you want to run it, so it is not yet a standalone
> system
> for those of you without minix. I'm working on it. You also need to
> be
> something of a hacker to set it up (?), so for those hoping for an
> alternative to minix-386, please ignore me. It is currently meant
> for
> hackers interested in operating systems and 386's with access to
> minix.
>
>
> The system needs an AT-compatible harddisk (IDE is fine) and
> EGA/VGA. If
> you are still interested, please ftp the README/RELNOTES, and/or
> mail me
> for additional info.
>
>
> I can (well, almost) hear you asking yourselves "why?".  Hurd will
> be
> out in a year (or two, or next month, who knows), and I've already
> got
> minix.  This is a program for hackers by a hacker.  I've enjouyed
> doing
> it, and somebody might enjoy looking at it and even modifying it
for
> their own needs.  It is still small enough to understand, use and
> modify, and I'm looking forward to any comments you might have.
>
>
> I'm also interested in hearing from anybody who has written any of
> the
> utilities/library functions for minix. If your efforts are freely
> distributable (under copyright or even public domain), I'd like to
> hear
> from you, so I can add them to the system. I'm using Earl Chews
> estdio
> right now (thanks for a nice and working system Earl), and similar
> works
> will be very wellcome. Your (C)'s will of course be left intact.
> Drop me
> a line if you are willing to let me use your code.
>
>
>                 Linus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com, Pebam Ringo
<ringo.pebam@s...>
> wrote:
> >  --- In linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com, "nila_angelina"
> > <nila_angelina@y...> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Can anyone of us do some briefing about this LINUX... in
> some
> >  > interesting way.
> >  >
> >  > May be... how can we start learning LINUX, how to build up
> enthu
> >  > etc...
> >  >
> >
> >  Hi Nila,
> >
> >  Just a short and brief reply to build up ur enthu !!!
> >
> >  The works of Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson at Bell Labs -
> UNIX.
> >  Richard Stallman - his philosophy, his Free Software
> Foundation, GNU
> > ....
> >  They are all inspiring, but this small piece of mail below
> is most
> > inspiring.
> >
> >  ~Ringo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  From: torvalds@k... (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
> >  Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
> >  Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
> >  Summary: small poll for my new operating system
> >  Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@k...>
> >  Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
> >  Organization: University of Helsinki
> >
> >  Hello everybody out there using minix -
> >  I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be
> big and
> >  professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been
> brewing
> >  since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any
> feedback on
> >  things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it
> somewhat
> >  (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical
> reasons)
> >  among other things).
> >  I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things
> seem to
> > work.
> >  This implies that I'll get something practical within a few
> months,
> > and
> >  I'd like to know what features most people would want. Any
> > suggestions
> >  are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
> >  Linus (torvalds@k...)
> >  PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-
> threaded
> > fs.
> >  It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it
> probably
> > never
> >  will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all
> I have
> > :-(.

> Can anyone of us do some briefing about this LINUX... in some
> interesting way.
>

"Linux: the big picture" at http://liw.iki.fi/liw/texts/linux-the-big-picture.html talks about
Linux and its history in an interesting way. It's very well written.

Linux is a Unix clone OS, which is free. Free - that's the best thing in Linux. There are
other free OS too, like FreeBSD, but Linux is most popular as of now. Even Sun Solaris is
going open source.

One reason why Linux is sought after and like by all - is the enthu is creates, is
because it involves contributor from around the world (that includes one of our very
own Naba), people who go to office - comes home, go to the garage and writes codes
for Linux, it's not confined to IT professionals, it includes university profs, college
dropouts and hackers alike. When I asked to Harald Welte (author of netfilter/iptables)
whether he learnt the vast linux kernel in college or by himself, he said that he had never
been to college, Andi Kleen, the German who is writing/maintaining the 64 bit linux
kernel is just 26 years old and has been playing with the kernel for the last 7 years,
yes he is a genius. Come to Linux B'lore this Dec, it's really inspiring to see those
people in person whose work we have been using for so long.

> May be... how can we start learning LINUX, how to build up enthu
> etc...
>

Nilakanta, I havent seen you since GCT Coimbatore, so I have no idea whether
you have been into Linux or not, and if so to what extent.

If you are already deep into and wants to go ahead with kernel programming or
device driver, then what Vimol said is a good way to start with, and we can talk
more on that.

          But if you are new then: do the installation, and try working more on the
console rather than Xwindows. You will get stuck with very often, but worry not.

         So, you have a Linux box ready and you have logged in and your monitor
reads something like nila@localhost: and you don't know what to do. If you are
totally new it will be real tough for you won't be knowing what to open in the man
pages for you wont be knowing the commands first of all. So, you better make
note of the commands at http://www.ss64.com/bash/ and keep experimenting
and exploring. Yeah it's real hard to start with in the beginning, but slowly and
surely you will get the Kick and the Joy!!!

        Nila, if you are talking about kernel then we can share a lot more, just give
the feedback.

> What are the various type of programming we can do in the minimum
> resources we have in our home PC etc...
>

From kernel programming point of view you can do some kernel customization,
making some changes and stuffs like that.

From driver point of view, you can go to City Market, SP Road, buy one realtek
Ethernet card, download the specification from the net, read Rubini's  Linux
Device Driver and start writing one. Without any extra hardware you can also
write pseudo character driver.

From application point of view, you can write C, C++, Fortran, Mono(it's
suppose to be .Net for Linux), C# ..... Vimol has given answer to this and
I think Naba can add up some more too - Try using Anjuta, you will see lot
Of languages it supports.
Check out: http://loll.sourceforge.net/linux/links/Programming_Links/index.html

~Ringo

> Can anyone of us do some briefing about this LINUX... in some
> interesting way.

1. Download the Kernel Source Code and modify it and recompile it for
FUN or RESEARCH.
2. Write your own OS scheduling algorithm and recompile with the Kernel.
3. People use Linux for hacking also. There lots of powerful tools.

Those are for advance user and for system programmer.

These questions that normaly ask  by non-linux user.
Q.1. Can we play songs and movies ?
Ans: Yes, you can play it.  Use mplayer, xmms, ...
The TITANIC movie was created on Linux Box.

Q.2. Can we read MS-office files ?
Ans: Yes, you can read and write. Use Open office.

> May be..how can we start learning LINUX, how to build up enthu
Install Linux on your PC, start using it right away. Installing linux
is easier than windows. I can help you if you are at Pune.

> What are the various type of programming we can do in the minimum
> resources we have in our home PC etc...
All the progamming language from A-Z is available in Linux.
C,C++,Perl,QT,Python,Java,PHP, as (assembly) etc


PEOPLE CAN GO ON ADDING ...............


--- In linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com, "nila_angelina"
<nila_angelina@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone of us do some briefing about this LINUX... in some
> interesting way.
>
> May be... how can we start learning LINUX, how to build up enthu
> etc...
>
> What are the various type of programming we can do in the minimum
> resources we have in our home PC etc...
>
> If I have some info I'll also surely share it...
>
>
> Cheers,
> Nila

Hi,
Check this one also . A subsequent mail from Linus



Linus Benedict Torvalds   Oct 5 1991, 8:53 am     hide options

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From: torva...@... (Linus Benedict Torvalds) - Find
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Date: 5 Oct 91 05:41:06 GMT
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Subject: Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT
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Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and
wrote
their own device drivers? Are you without a nice project and just
dying
to cut your teeth on a OS you can try to modify for your needs? Are
you
finding it frustrating when everything works on minix? No more all-
nighters to get a nifty program working? Then this post might be
just
for you :-)


As I mentioned a month(?) ago, I'm working on a free version of a
minix-lookalike for AT-386 computers.  It has finally reached the
stage
where it's even usable (though may not be depending on what you
want),
and I am willing to put out the sources for wider distribution.  It
is
just version 0.02 (+1 (very small) patch already), but I've
successfully
run bash/gcc/gnu-make/gnu-sed/compress etc under it.


Sources for this pet project of mine can be found at nic.funet.fi
(128.214.6.100) in the directory /pub/OS/Linux.  The directory also
contains some README-file and a couple of binaries to work under
linux
(bash, update and gcc, what more can you ask for :-).  Full kernel
source is provided, as no minix code has been used.  Library sources
are
only partially free, so that cannot be distributed currently.  The
system is able to compile "as-is" and has been known to work.  Heh.
Sources to the binaries (bash and gcc) can be found at the same
place in
/pub/gnu.


ALERT! WARNING! NOTE! These sources still need minix-386 to be
compiled
(and gcc-1.40, possibly 1.37.1, haven't tested), and you need minix
to
set it up if you want to run it, so it is not yet a standalone
system
for those of you without minix. I'm working on it. You also need to
be
something of a hacker to set it up (?), so for those hoping for an
alternative to minix-386, please ignore me. It is currently meant
for
hackers interested in operating systems and 386's with access to
minix.


The system needs an AT-compatible harddisk (IDE is fine) and
EGA/VGA. If
you are still interested, please ftp the README/RELNOTES, and/or
mail me
for additional info.


I can (well, almost) hear you asking yourselves "why?".  Hurd will
be
out in a year (or two, or next month, who knows), and I've already
got
minix.  This is a program for hackers by a hacker.  I've enjouyed
doing
it, and somebody might enjoy looking at it and even modifying it for
their own needs.  It is still small enough to understand, use and
modify, and I'm looking forward to any comments you might have.


I'm also interested in hearing from anybody who has written any of
the
utilities/library functions for minix. If your efforts are freely
distributable (under copyright or even public domain), I'd like to
hear
from you, so I can add them to the system. I'm using Earl Chews
estdio
right now (thanks for a nice and working system Earl), and similar
works
will be very wellcome. Your (C)'s will of course be left intact.
Drop me
a line if you are willing to let me use your code.


                 Linus















--- In linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com, Pebam Ringo <ringo.pebam@s...>
wrote:
>  --- In linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com, "nila_angelina"
> <nila_angelina@y...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Can anyone of us do some briefing about this LINUX... in
some
>  > interesting way.
>  >
>  > May be... how can we start learning LINUX, how to build up
enthu
>  > etc...
>  >
>
>  Hi Nila,
>
>  Just a short and brief reply to build up ur enthu !!!
>
>  The works of Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson at Bell Labs -
UNIX.
>  Richard Stallman - his philosophy, his Free Software
Foundation, GNU
> ....
>  They are all inspiring, but this small piece of mail below
is most
> inspiring.
>
>  ~Ringo
>
>
>
>
>
>  From: torvalds@k... (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
>  Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
>  Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
>  Summary: small poll for my new operating system
>  Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@k...>
>  Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
>  Organization: University of Helsinki
>
>  Hello everybody out there using minix -
>  I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be
big and
>  professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been
brewing
>  since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any
feedback on
>  things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it
somewhat
>  (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical
reasons)
>  among other things).
>  I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things
seem to
> work.
>  This implies that I'll get something practical within a few
months,
> and
>  I'd like to know what features most people would want. Any
> suggestions
>  are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
>  Linus (torvalds@k...)
>  PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-
threaded
> fs.
>  It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it
probably
> never
>  will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all
I have
> :-(.

--- In linux-manipur@yahoogroups.com, "nila_angelina" <nila_angelina@y...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone of us do some briefing about this LINUX... in some
> interesting way.
>
> May be... how can we start learning LINUX, how to build up enthu
> etc...
>

Hi Nila,

Just a short and brief reply to build up ur enthu !!!

The works of Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson at Bell Labs - UNIX.
Richard Stallman - his philosophy, his Free Software Foundation, GNU ....
They are all inspiring, but this small piece of mail below is most inspiring.

~Ringo







From: torvalds@... (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
Summary: small poll for my new operating system
Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@...>
Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Hello everybody out there using minix -
I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been brewing
since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any feedback on
things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
(same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
among other things).
I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
I'd like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions
are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
Linus (torvalds@...)
PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.

Hi,

Can anyone of us do some briefing about this LINUX... in some
interesting way.

May be... how can we start learning LINUX, how to build up enthu
etc...

What are the various type of programming we can do in the minimum
resources we have in our home PC etc...

If I have some info I'll also surely share it...


Cheers,
Nila