Hi Stacy,

Nice to hear from you. Linux Society is definately expanding past the typical
in the SOY/Sprout OS.

Plus, as you may gather, I got my knickers in a twist over the US WSIS
delegation apparently trying to hand over human communications to the rancid
anti-trust law violators who control the US and much of the west.

And not just microsoft, the java lobby org really has problems with Sun
Microsystems and they explain very simply why Sun is failing, though that is
beyond my present scope. I cut my teeth on SunNets 10 yrs ago so their
internal demise makes me very sad.

Thanks for forwarding my email to your president. The Linux Society has left
its original local NYC mission for a global one. This is partly to meet the
needs of the Information Society, but also to escape the myramid of problems
faced by the NY metropolitan area.

I will be back in the area soon, but only to collect my computers and other
equipment.

My small web page, http://www.thinman.com/, gives a good overview of SOY but
the actual build require at least one full time administrator and the hardware
targets will require cooperation from global ICT manufacturers, which are
technically also part of the Information Society.

Cheers, John

--- Stacy Gildenston <stacy@...> wrote:
> Hey John!
>
> Great to hear from you. I just realized you were copied on some
> internal chatter *about you*...now there's open communication at its
> finest. At least you know our intent. What you've said here will be of
> great interest to Evan Leibovitch, our President, who is traveling in
> Asia for the next two weeks and has limited email access. I am going to
> be sure he gets a chance to wrap his brain around what you're talking about.
>
> Also, I would love to find out if you are interested in taking our
> certification at TechX in NYC in September. What I said about getting
> you certified...well...devious as I may be in asking...it would be great
> to have you part of our alumni community because we are trying to expand
> past the "typical" and into new territory...your advice and insights
> based on this email alone tell me I was right on in thinking you'd make
> a great evangelist for our work...and likely...ours for yours!! 8)
>
> -sg
>
>
> John van V. wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I read through some of the national documents and noticed that the western
> >nations are all zeroing on the on the open source issue. In particular, the
> US
> >document pretends that the emphasis on open source is a threat to the
> "freedom
> >of choice"
> >
> >The US document also, for some reason, attempts to differentiate between
> open
> >standards and open source, which seems silly at first but immediately got my
> >attention because XML is usually both an open source language and an open
> >standard of communication, where as PDF and Microsoft Word are not. This is
> >suspicious to me, or maybe they are just ignorant.
> >
> >Information built into complex structures is very likely the only way that
> >impoverished nations can communicate where only relevant subsets of the
> greater
> >body of information is transported to fit limited bandwidth. I am not sure
> >that XML can easily do this, and it lacks other necessary features such as
> >binary transport, but I have been using these techniques for years with Perl
> >complex structures.
> >
> >Also I am seeing a wholesale avoidance of the technical issues which is a
> >mistake since, for instance, the Mosaic browser which became Netscape and
> the
> >NSCA server (now apache) have virtually dictated how we all handle
> information.
> >
> >On the other hand, the papers that I have seen so far seek to dilute the
> social
> >components possibly to increase impoverished debt on behalf of Microsoft and
> >others. The greatest problem w/ closed technology is not the outset price
> but
> >the long term cost of not being able to build upon technology. All human
> >effort is derived from previous effort, suddenly, because we are digital, we
> >can no long behave as we have through the all time.
> >
> >Despite my love to technology I have decided to develop a model for global
> >communications based entirely on openness, and I believe the the circle of
> >friends of a psychologist I am studying, Carl Rogers, actually invented the
> >concept of openness.
> >
> >This I think will be the greatest contribution to Information Society and
> will
> >create an umbrella under which projects like OpenICT can function in a
> >supportive atmosphere protected from the likes of the jerks that claim to
> >represent my nation. I have also noted frustration from the forward
> thinking
> >NGOs, and a determined lack by richer nations to up the cash which would
> make
> >the WSIS a viable forum. So, do we really need them ??
> >
> >Here are links to Linux Society WSIS documents, and the Thinman project
> where
> >Linux and its successors become the OS base of ICT operations.
> >
> >http://www.thinman.com
> >http://thinman.dyndns.org/docs/wsis_Linux_society.html
> >
> >John, President, Linux Society
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Stacy:
> >>
> >>...oops sorry if I confused you. Just because he has submitted a paper
> >>doesn't automatically give him the right to make a presentation (or that he
> >>is attending).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >***No we are not accredited and attending will depend on funds and available
> >time.
> >
> >
> >
> >>(...when you are dealing with the whole world the number of hoops you have
> >>to jump through to get heard would make your head swim :-)
> >>
> >>Nevertheless, no harm done. If he responds you might ask if he is
> >>accredited and is attending, because I noticed that his paper is under the
> >>category of "misc." which includes a very informal "letter" from Canadian
> >>Journalists for Free Expression. It may be that the summit is accepting
> >>"unaccredited" input. If so, we need to find out!
> >>
> >>Scott
> >>
> >>--------- Original Message --------
> >>From: Stacy Gildenston <stacy@...>
> >>To: john@... <john@...>
> >>Cc: Scottl <scottl@...>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@...>
> >>Subject: Hello From LPI
> >>Date: 08/08/03 20:13
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hey John,
> >>>
> >>>We noticed you are giving a presentation at WSIS, and thought we'd drop
> >>>you a note to say hello. Right now we are very likely going to be in
> >>>Geneva as well...and before hand, we'll be at TechX/PCExpo in NYC in
> >>>September...we'd love to get the chance to meet you and talk more about
> >>>what you are up to...learn more about how you are working with teenagers
> >>>and Linux.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>-sg
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Stacy Gildenston
> >>>Director of Business Development
> >>>Linux Professional Institute
> >>>stacy@...
> >>>603.430-9398 office
> >>>603.498-2329 cell
> >>>603.433-7590 fax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >=====
> >CXN, Inc. Contact: john@...
> >President, The Linux Society
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-society
> >linux society distro -> http://www.thinman.com/eLSD/readme
> >ThinMan is a registered trademark of CXN, Inc
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>
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