On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 10:56 AM, John van V. <john.van.v@...> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM, John van V. <john.van.v@...> wrote:
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Empathy
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Photography
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Technology
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM, John van V. <john.van.v@...> wrote:
> sat
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> --
> Empathy
> http://thinman.com/empathy
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> http://thinman.com/photography
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> http://thinman.com
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http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/lnxsoc

You can still post here but the discussion is there

John

the timestamp in the record.log (jabber server log) is
+ three hours, the jabber server is 15:00 and when it
records in the record.log is 18:00.
the only thing that i think this is its because here
in Brazil is GMT-3, so the timestamp is recording in
the GMT hour.
i've looked in the jabber.xml and google.com and don't
found anything.
anyone know how can i fix it?
please help me!



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I have decided that the best route for our purpose is a blog.  Technical suport
is not really necessary anymore from groups.  Activism, however, is more
important that ever.

Cleary, to activists, Globalism is pure evil.  So I have invented Localism,
responisibility to where you are, where you are from, the people that have
helped you.

And especially to the environment.

http://linux-society.blogspot.com

We can rewrite this blog page anyway we want, I even loaded an unrelated
webpage and it propagated.

I am studying Java right now and I dont think I have time to create page, any
takers ??


John


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Well.. obviously were are for information freedom, otherwise we wouldnt be
linux-ers

So any suggestions are of course valid.  Since I am trucking right now,
supporting the group has been difficult.

However, the biggest problem is, where do we go w/ the group.  Simple
answer/question issues are probably better handled by forums and the Usenet.

My goal in computing has always been to contribute to the free flow of true
knowledge especially to the youth and the geographically isolated.

Globalism is not that, though it claims to be.  Globalism consists of layers
and layers of lies to protect the criminalistic destruction of working people
and the environment.  It has always been so, but now w/ the spread of computer
networks it has become a feeding frenzy.

The spammers and hackers that have hit this group are part of this globalism.
They are from East India and they are involved in offshore outsourcing.  They
have taken away about 1,000,000 jobs away from USA programmers.

The US exists and the lifeboat for the world.  We need to keep ourselves
strong, not only for our own health but the health of the world.

East Indians cannot develop their own information economy, they can steal from
ours.

Politically, I believe that trucking is an industry that can help stem this
problem, and I think that free communication between truckers can return labor
protection and power to the US.  I believe that this would, of course, require
truckers to enjoin with other activist groups such as environmentalists and
turn away from their heritage w/ the KKK and American religious
fundamentalists.

That is why I mention the EPIA mini-ITX motherboard (runs on 12v) and various
kinds of free Internet wireless communication.  The LinuxBIOS is also very cool
and so is Devil Linux.

I have looked over a lot of other OSs and found JNode, a full Java
implementation.  Other than that not too much has happened over the past year.

Any comments ??


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> The fact that one spam is 50% of the postings does not make it more
> than one spam.  I've looked over the posts to see if there is some
> real issue here there isn't.  You are always going to have some spam,
> some off topic posting, and the occasional  rude person.   People new
> to net culture often get very upset about rule breakers.  Most of us
> give it up as an impossible task, and find betterway to spend our energy.
>
> If people really feel the need to fix this
> Delaying messages is a bad solution.  Someone might need help now
> Requiring some form of registraion to participate is a better answer
>
> Tom
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> --- In linux-society@yahoogroups.com, Francis Gulotta <reconbot@m...>
> wrote:
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> > The hoops to join are the same for every group and spammers have the
> > method down pat, we've already had around 4-5 spammers join. I don't
> > mind doing message approval (I'm a moderator) for the time being, I
> > don't think the extra half a day that a message would wait will mater
> > much at this point in time. When we get busy again then it won't be
> > worth it and we'll switch it back. But then one spam won't be 50% of the
> > messages that month.
> >
> > - -Francis
> >
> > Keith Brown wrote:
> > | John,
> > |
> > | Rather than turn the group into fully moderated, how about screening
> > | membership?  That is, set up the archives so anyone can read them, but
> > | those who want to post must join, and the join is screened.  That way,
> > | should someone have enough energy to jump through the hoops to become
> > | member, then they're likely to become a contribution (or at least not
> > | mess in our nest).  And, of course, if they do mess in the nest, they
> > | can be removed with relative ease.
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Well, its not a big deal to me. We already require people to register.
John has validation on his emails turned on because spamers have been
sending email as him (just forge the from header).

Back when we used to meet, you think we could call ourselves a lug?
Living in nyc again I'd like see if we couldn't get people back together
again.

- -Francis

cairpre409 wrote:
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|
| The fact that one spam is 50% of the postings does not make it more
| than one spam.  I've looked over the posts to see if there is some
| real issue here there isn't.  You are always going to have some spam,
| some off topic posting, and the occasional  rude person.   People new
| to net culture often get very upset about rule breakers.  Most of us
| give it up as an impossible task, and find betterway to spend our energy.
|
| If people really feel the need to fix this
| Delaying messages is a bad solution.  Someone might need help now
| Requiring some form of registraion to participate is a better answer
|
| Tom
|
| --- In linux-society@yahoogroups.com, Francis Gulotta <reconbot@m...>
| wrote:
|
| The hoops to join are the same for every group and spammers have the
| method down pat, we've already had around 4-5 spammers join. I don't
| mind doing message approval (I'm a moderator) for the time being, I
| don't think the extra half a day that a message would wait will mater
| much at this point in time. When we get busy again then it won't be
| worth it and we'll switch it back. But then one spam won't be 50% of the
| messages that month.
|
| -Francis
|
| Keith Brown wrote:
| | John,
| |
| | Rather than turn the group into fully moderated, how about screening
| | membership?  That is, set up the archives so anyone can read them, but
| | those who want to post must join, and the join is screened.  That way,
| | should someone have enough energy to jump through the hoops to become
| | member, then they're likely to become a contribution (or at least not
| | mess in our nest).  And, of course, if they do mess in the nest, they
| | can be removed with relative ease.
| |
| | -Keith
| |
| |
| |
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| |
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| | Yahoo! Groups Links
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The fact that one spam is 50% of the postings does not make it more
than one spam.  I've looked over the posts to see if there is some
real issue here there isn't.  You are always going to have some spam,
some off topic posting, and the occasional  rude person.   People new
to net culture often get very upset about rule breakers.  Most of us
give it up as an impossible task, and find betterway to spend our energy.

If people really feel the need to fix this
Delaying messages is a bad solution.  Someone might need help now
Requiring some form of registraion to participate is a better answer

Tom

--- In linux-society@yahoogroups.com, Francis Gulotta <reconbot@m...>
wrote:
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> The hoops to join are the same for every group and spammers have the
> method down pat, we've already had around 4-5 spammers join. I don't
> mind doing message approval (I'm a moderator) for the time being, I
> don't think the extra half a day that a message would wait will mater
> much at this point in time. When we get busy again then it won't be
> worth it and we'll switch it back. But then one spam won't be 50% of the
> messages that month.
>
> - -Francis
>
> Keith Brown wrote:
> | John,
> |
> | Rather than turn the group into fully moderated, how about screening
> | membership?  That is, set up the archives so anyone can read them, but
> | those who want to post must join, and the join is screened.  That way,
> | should someone have enough energy to jump through the hoops to become
> | member, then they're likely to become a contribution (or at least not
> | mess in our nest).  And, of course, if they do mess in the nest, they
> | can be removed with relative ease.
> |
> | -Keith
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The hoops to join are the same for every group and spammers have the
method down pat, we've already had around 4-5 spammers join. I don't
mind doing message approval (I'm a moderator) for the time being, I
don't think the extra half a day that a message would wait will mater
much at this point in time. When we get busy again then it won't be
worth it and we'll switch it back. But then one spam won't be 50% of the
messages that month.

- -Francis

Keith Brown wrote:
| John,
|
| Rather than turn the group into fully moderated, how about screening
| membership?  That is, set up the archives so anyone can read them, but
| those who want to post must join, and the join is screened.  That way,
| should someone have enough energy to jump through the hoops to become
| member, then they're likely to become a contribution (or at least not
| mess in our nest).  And, of course, if they do mess in the nest, they
| can be removed with relative ease.
|
| -Keith
|
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| Yahoo! Groups Links
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John,

Rather than turn the group into fully moderated, how about screening
membership?  That is, set up the archives so anyone can read them, but
those who want to post must join, and the join is screened.  That way,
should someone have enough energy to jump through the hoops to become
member, then they're likely to become a contribution (or at least not
mess in our nest).  And, of course, if they do mess in the nest, they
can be removed with relative ease.

-Keith

Hi Francis, yeah pretty loooooow volume here on the group.

Thats a good idea, I will try to give you all the privelages to run the group.

You are scant on your details of your business.  Yahoo has a really good deal
on new IP domain names, like 4 dollars for the first year.  You get a single
page too, which can point to your DSL or cable modem setup.

Me ??  I am a crusty ole redneck truckdriver (not).  I tried to quit last
month, but this a dream I had since I was a kid, sorta like being a fireman I
guess.  So I like it.  My co-driver IS a crusty ole redneck, sees things from a
very very different prespective than we Northeners do.  He likes black people,
but then he seems to remember the KKK fondly... very odd.

I am studying the Information Society, and psychotherapy.  My main people are
Carl Rogers (who brought the US and USSR together as an extension of his other
inventions, which included class participation, group therapy, and
"facilitating solutions to old bias type hatreds") and Lewis Mumford, whose
book "Technics and Civilization" literally predicted the tech boom back in
1934.  He obviously could not have known about the Internet, but he understood
the free market and how they consistantly convert innovation into quick
profits.

I am also a big fan of Ruth Benedict who developed the concept of Synergy,
which means that people concentrate on helping each other, like in Linux,
rather than making the rich folks richer, as in Microsoft.  She was a nutty
woman but a genius social scientist.

I am hoping to get into a job at Fed Ex pretty soon.  My truck says Fed Ex on
the side but its really owned by a guy from Jersey.  We are sub-contractors.

I am still very interested in BIO Linux and the VIA EPIA mother board.  There
seems to be a "nano-ITX" board coming out from VIA, about the size of a
paperback book.  Now, that will be nice.  The EPIAs are famous for being in
sports cars, giving 6 channel sounds and games while you drive 180mph... for
those who have to live fast, die young and leave a huge mess.

The Thinman project is still viable, in my opinion, though I am trying to drain
out the last of the bank account which I set aside for it.

I have reserved some blog names through google, but I am still confused about
focus and the future of the Linux Society.  But, I still think it is a perfect
organization, the situation is just too confusing.

I always believed that Perl is the prefect language for the the real world, but
something is very wrong in Perl-land.  The Parrot VM will take 40 plus years to
reach version 1.0, and there is NO need for Perl 6, we already have Ruby and
Java.  Parrot uses registers, not stacks, and runs many times faster that way,
so I found a C compilier that USES only registers (since a BIOS does not use
enough memory to use stacks, from the Linux BIOS group).  The author of the
compiler and I tried to interest the Perl/Parrot people knowing that it would
create the be-all-to-end-all virtual machine, and they just ignored us.  I keep
getting dissapointed by the computer community, so I guess thats why I like
driving a big-rig.

I am trying to learn Java as much as I hate it.  Probably Lisp is the best of
all languages... and the oldest but Java is what the people want.   The Lisp
interpreter was invented the year I was born, and that was a long time ago, and
it is a very hard act to follow.




--- reconbot <reconbot@...> wrote:

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> Since we're relativly low volume, how about we approve all messages
> before they're posted. I'll have anything relevent approved with in a
> day (I don't know your schedule and it cut out the spam.) I'd do it my
> self but I don't have enough access.
>
> Also, how are you? It's been quite a while since I've heard a peep out
> of you. Last I heard you were down south. Working on any new projects?
> Jobs?
>
> Currently I'm taking some time off of school to try to get a small
> bussniess off the ground. The biggest problem I'm facing is myself
> though. Something I'm working though.
>
> Hope all is well.
>
> -Francis
>
> PS. I'll let you approve your message insulting the spammer, but I
> don't think the spammer will even get it. So I don't recomend it.
>
>
>
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Linux Society

The Linux Society was created as an offshoot of a perl group called PUNY, Perl
Users of NY.

It was a typical users club through the tech boom period, and then became a
student oriented mentoring organization.  In that incarnation it proved that
talented high school students could implement bleeding edge Internet services
as professionally as any corporation, and have great fun also.  Both the
hardware and the software were free, either from the e-mutualist open software
movement (mostly GNU) or from the trash pickup.  It was a global victory, in a
sense, showing that the majority of the world can join the Information Society
with the support of the first world.

After the students moved on to college, there was a lack of direction for the
organization.  I have had my own entrepreneurial projects, notably a portable
computer called the Thinman, which I still believe could be viable and could
add much value to humanity.

At the moment my career is as a long haul trucker.  I am hoping to work
in-house in a trucking firm, but at the moment I am over-the-road.

With the exception of occasional spamming by East Indian recruiters, the group
has been silent, but few have actually left.

I have been involved in the "Information Society" since learning about the UN
symposium which, surprisingly, defined the diabolical nature of information in
human society today.  I have also been studying the Information Society and
have been greatly influenced by Lewis Mumford who wrote "Technics and
Civilization."  You can read parts of it on http://amazon.com .

It seems appropriate that the Linux Society should be directly involved w/ the
Information Society.  It also seems appropriate that Linux Soc projects should
directly benefit the whole human race in creating two-way communication to the
most remote areas.

WiFi, for instance, is radio communication but not the only radio
communication.  Much more appropriate, I think, for reaching all corners of the
world is Ham radio.
http://www.arrl.org/hamradio.html
http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html

The VIA EPIA mini-itx motherboard is also appropriate since it is a low wattage
but generic motherboard which has attachments for 12v usage -- the common car
battery.
http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp

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Hey! I am trying to use my Motorola T720i cellPhone as a modem under
linux(rh8(. It works on windowa ME,cause I have the drivers an
everything, but motorola don't make it for linux. Anyway when I
connect my cellpnone an boot my computer to linux, it brings up the
new hardwear prompt to let me know that it detected the  phone, on
that screen I see the name of the phone and the maker and model type,
but when I logg into my computer to setup my modem it's no where to
be found. All am asking is for someone to shed some light on this
situation. By the way am trying to make a GPRS or a PPP dailout
connection service provider for my phone is T-mobile. NO!!!!!! Am not
looking to switch to rh9 or any other unix type os NO!!!!! an not
looking to upgrade to a  new kernel(if you need to know which kernel
am useing let me know) and no am not looking to try any other
alternatives for a GPRS of whatever connections. THANKSYA'LL!!!!!
WUTDUP JHON!!!! Why you cancled my shell account?? I was type'n fast
ya'll sorry about the typos.

Need someone to teach a 2 day course on building knoppix type cd
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"Red Hat's lawsuit confirms what we've been saying all along--Linux developers
are either unable or unwilling to screen the code" that goes into the Linux
kernel, McBride said. "Red Hat is selling Linux that contains verbatim and
obfuscated code from Unix System 5."

SCO further riled the Linux community by sending letters to 1,500 IT managers
warning them that any use of Linux could expose them to further intellectual
property claims.

As promised, SCO unveiled a licensing plan Tuesday for businesses that want to
continue using Linux with SCO's blessing. The new license gives customers the
right to use any SCO-controlled Unix code allegedly incorporated in Linux,
starting with the 2.4 version of the Linux kernel.

Prices are steep for a free operating system. Introductory prices include $199
to run Linux on a desktop PC and $699 to run it on a server with a single CPU.
The server price jumps to $1,399 after the introductory period ends on Oct. 15.
By comparison, Red Hat's standard version of desktop Linux sells for $39.

"The reality here (is that) IBM and Red Hat have painted a Linux liability
target on the backs of their customers," he said. "Due to IBM's and Red Hat's
actions, we have no choice but to fight the battle at the end-user level."

McBride also was unusually blunt in attacking open-source software, saying the
general public license (GPL) format that Red Hat and other Linux sellers rely
on is fundamentally flawed from a business and legal perspective.

"At issue here is more than just SCO and Red Hat," McBride said. "What is at
issue here is whether intellectual property rights will have any value in the
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Hi Stacy,

Nice to hear from you.  Linux Society is definately expanding past the typical
in the SOY/Sprout OS.

Plus, as you may gather, I got my knickers in a twist over the US WSIS
delegation apparently trying to hand over human communications to the rancid
anti-trust law violators who control the US and much of the west.

And not just microsoft, the java lobby org really has problems with Sun
Microsystems and they explain very simply why Sun is failing, though that is
beyond my present scope.  I cut my teeth on SunNets 10 yrs ago so their
internal demise makes me very sad.

Thanks for forwarding my email to your president.  The Linux Society has left
its original local NYC mission for a global one.  This is partly to meet the
needs of the Information Society, but also to escape the myramid of problems
faced by the NY metropolitan area.

I will be back in the area soon, but only to collect my computers and other
equipment.

My small web page, http://www.thinman.com/, gives a good overview of SOY but
the actual build require at least one full time administrator and the hardware
targets will require cooperation from global ICT manufacturers, which are
technically also part of the Information Society.

Cheers, John

--- Stacy Gildenston <stacy@...> wrote:
> Hey John!
>
> Great to hear from you.  I just realized you were copied on some
> internal chatter *about you*...now there's open communication at its
> finest.  At least you know our intent.  What you've said here will be of
> great interest to Evan Leibovitch, our President, who is traveling in
> Asia for the next two weeks and has limited email access.  I am going to
> be sure he gets a chance to wrap his brain around what you're talking about.
>
> Also, I would love to find out if you are interested in taking our
> certification at TechX in NYC in September.  What I said about getting
> you certified...well...devious as I may be in asking...it would be great
> to have you part of our alumni community because we are trying to expand
> past the "typical" and into new territory...your advice and insights
> based on this email alone tell me I was right on in thinking you'd make
> a great evangelist for our work...and likely...ours for yours!!  8)
>
> -sg
>
>
> John van V. wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I read through some of the national documents and noticed that the western
> >nations are all zeroing on the on the open source issue.  In particular, the
> US
> >document pretends that the emphasis on open source is a threat to the
> "freedom
> >of choice"
> >
> >The US document also, for some reason, attempts to differentiate between
> open
> >standards and open source, which seems silly at first but immediately got my
> >attention because XML is usually both an open source language and an open
> >standard of communication, where as PDF and Microsoft Word are not.  This is
> >suspicious to me, or maybe they are just ignorant.
> >
> >Information built into complex structures is very likely the only way that
> >impoverished nations can communicate where only relevant subsets of the
> greater
> >body of information is transported to fit limited bandwidth.  I am not sure
> >that XML can easily do this, and it lacks other necessary features such as
> >binary transport, but I have been using these techniques for years with Perl
> >complex structures.
> >
> >Also I am seeing a wholesale avoidance of the technical issues which is a
> >mistake since, for instance, the Mosaic browser which became Netscape and
> the
> >NSCA server (now apache) have virtually dictated how we all handle
> information.
> >
> >On the other hand, the papers that I have seen so far seek to dilute the
> social
> >components possibly to increase impoverished debt on behalf of Microsoft and
> >others.  The greatest problem w/ closed technology is not the outset price
> but
> >the long term cost of not being able to build upon technology.  All human
> >effort is derived from previous effort, suddenly, because we are digital, we
> >can no long behave as we have through the all time.
> >
> >Despite my love to technology I have decided to develop a model for global
> >communications based entirely on openness, and I believe the the circle of
> >friends of a psychologist I am studying, Carl Rogers, actually invented the
> >concept of openness.
> >
> >This I think will be the greatest contribution to Information Society and
> will
> >create an umbrella under which projects like OpenICT can function in a
> >supportive atmosphere protected from the likes of the jerks that claim to
> >represent my nation.  I have also noted frustration from the forward
> thinking
> >NGOs, and a determined lack by richer nations to up the cash which would
> make
> >the WSIS a viable forum.  So, do we really need them ??
> >
> >Here are links to Linux Society WSIS documents, and the Thinman project
> where
> >Linux and its successors become the OS base of ICT operations.
> >
> >http://www.thinman.com
> >http://thinman.dyndns.org/docs/wsis_Linux_society.html
> >
> >John, President, Linux Society
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Stacy:
> >>
> >>...oops sorry if I confused you.  Just because he has submitted a paper
> >>doesn't automatically give him the right to make a presentation (or that he
> >>is attending).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >***No we are not accredited and attending will depend on funds and available
> >time.
> >
> >
> >
> >>(...when you are dealing with the whole world the number of hoops you have
> >>to jump through to get heard would make your head swim :-)
> >>
> >>Nevertheless, no harm done.  If he responds you might ask if he is
> >>accredited and is attending, because I noticed that his paper is under the
> >>category of "misc." which includes a very informal "letter" from Canadian
> >>Journalists for Free Expression.  It may be that the summit is accepting
> >>"unaccredited" input.  If so, we need to find out!
> >>
> >>Scott
> >>
> >>--------- Original Message --------
> >>From: Stacy Gildenston <stacy@...>
> >>To: john@... <john@...>
> >>Cc: Scottl <scottl@...>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@...>
> >>Subject: Hello From LPI
> >>Date: 08/08/03 20:13
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hey John,
> >>>
> >>>We noticed you are giving a presentation at WSIS, and thought we'd drop
> >>>you a note to say hello. Right now we are very likely going to be in
> >>>Geneva as well...and before hand, we'll be at TechX/PCExpo in NYC in
> >>>September...we'd love to get the chance to meet you and talk more about
> >>>what you are up to...learn more about how you are working with teenagers
> >>>and Linux.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>-sg
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Stacy Gildenston
> >>>Director of Business Development
> >>>Linux Professional Institute
> >>>stacy@...
> >>>603.430-9398  office
> >>>603.498-2329  cell
> >>>603.433-7590  fax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >=====
> >CXN, Inc. Contact: john@...
> >President, The Linux Society
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-society
> >linux society distro -> http://www.thinman.com/eLSD/readme
> >ThinMan is a registered trademark of CXN, Inc
> >
> >__________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Stacy Gildenston
> Director of Business Development
> Linux Professional Institute
> stacy@...
> 603.430-9398  office
> 603.498-2329  cell
> 603.433-7590  fax
>
>
>


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President, The Linux Society
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Hello,
I read through some of the national documents and noticed that the western
nations are all zeroing on the on the open source issue. In particular, the US
document pretends that the emphasis on open source is a threat to the "freedom
of choice"
The US document also, for some reason, attempts to differentiate between open
standards and open source, which seems silly at first but immediately got my
attention because XML is usually both an open source language and an open
standard of communication, where as PDF and Microsoft Word are not. This is
suspicious to me, or maybe they are just ignorant.
Information built into complex structures is very likely the only way that
impoverished nations can communicate where only relevant subsets of the greater
body of information is transported to fit limited bandwidth. I am not sure
that XML can easily do this, and it lacks other necessary features such as
binary transport, but I have been using these techniques for years with Perl
complex structures.
Also I am seeing a wholesale avoidance of the technical issues which is a
mistake since, for instance, the Mosaic browser which became Netscape and the
NSCA server (now apache) have virtually dictated how we all handle information.
On the other hand, the papers that I have seen so far seek to dilute the social
components possibly to increase impoverished debt on behalf of Microsoft and
others. The greatest problem w/ closed technology is not the outset price but
the long term cost of not being able to build upon technology. All human
effort is derived from previous effort, suddenly, because we are digital, we
can no long behave as we have through the all time.
Despite my love to technology I have decided to develop a model for global
communications based entirely on openness, and I believe the the circle of
friends of a psychologist I am studying, Carl Rogers, actually invented the
concept of openness.
This I think will be the greatest contribution to Information Society and will
create an umbrella under which projects like OpenICT can function in a
supportive atmosphere protected from the likes of the jerks that claim to
represent my nation. I have also noted frustration from the forward thinking
NGOs, and a determined lack by richer nations to up the cash which would make
the WSIS a viable forum. So, do we really need them ??
Here are links to Linux Society WSIS documents, and the Thinman project where
Linux and its successors become the OS base of ICT operations.
http://www.thinman.com
http://thinman.dyndns.org/docs/wsis_Linux_society.html
John, President, Linux Society

Stacy:
...oops sorry if I confused you. Just because he has submitted a paper
doesn't automatically give him the right to make a presentation (or that he
is attending).

***No we are not accredited and attending will depend on funds and available
time.

(...when you are dealing with the whole world the number of hoops you have
to jump through to get heard would make your head swim :-)
Nevertheless, no harm done. If he responds you might ask if he is
accredited and is attending, because I noticed that his paper is under the
category of "misc." which includes a very informal "letter" from Canadian
Journalists for Free Expression. It may be that the summit is accepting
"unaccredited" input. If so, we need to find out!
Scott
--------- Original Message --------
From: Stacy Gildenston <stacy@...>
To: john@... <john@...>
Cc: Scottl <scottl@...>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@...>
Subject: Hello From LPI
Date: 08/08/03 20:13

Hey John,
We noticed you are giving a presentation at WSIS, and thought we'd drop
you a note to say hello. Right now we are very likely going to be in
Geneva as well...and before hand, we'll be at TechX/PCExpo in NYC in
September...we'd love to get the chance to meet you and talk more about
what you are up to...learn more about how you are working with teenagers
and Linux.
Thanks!
-sg
--
Stacy Gildenston
Director of Business Development
Linux Professional Institute
stacy@...
603.430-9398 office
603.498-2329 cell
603.433-7590 fax

=====
CXN, Inc. Contact: john@...
President, The Linux Society
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-society
linux society distro -> http://www.thinman.com/eLSD/readme
ThinMan is a registered trademark of CXN, Inc
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-- Stacy Gildenston
Director of Business Development
Linux Professional Institute
stacy@...
603.430-9398 office
603.498-2329 cell
603.433-7590 fax

Hello,

I read through some of the national documents and noticed that the western
nations are all zeroing on the on the open source issue.  In particular, the US
document pretends that the emphasis on open source is a threat to the "freedom
of choice"

The US document also, for some reason, attempts to differentiate between open
standards and open source, which seems silly at first but immediately got my
attention because XML is usually both an open source language and an open
standard of communication, where as PDF and Microsoft Word are not.  This is
suspicious to me, or maybe they are just ignorant.

Information built into complex structures is very likely the only way that
impoverished nations can communicate where only relevant subsets of the greater
body of information is transported to fit limited bandwidth.  I am not sure
that XML can easily do this, and it lacks other necessary features such as
binary transport, but I have been using these techniques for years with Perl
complex structures.

Also I am seeing a wholesale avoidance of the technical issues which is a
mistake since, for instance, the Mosaic browser which became Netscape and the
NSCA server (now apache) have virtually dictated how we all handle information.

On the other hand, the papers that I have seen so far seek to dilute the social
components possibly to increase impoverished debt on behalf of Microsoft and
others.  The greatest problem w/ closed technology is not the outset price but
the long term cost of not being able to build upon technology.  All human
effort is derived from previous effort, suddenly, because we are digital, we
can no long behave as we have through the all time.

Despite my love to technology I have decided to develop a model for global
communications based entirely on openness, and I believe the the circle of
friends of a psychologist I am studying, Carl Rogers, actually invented the
concept of openness.

This I think will be the greatest contribution to Information Society and will
create an umbrella under which projects like OpenICT can function in a
supportive atmosphere protected from the likes of the jerks that claim to
represent my nation.  I have also noted frustration from the forward thinking
NGOs, and a determined lack by richer nations to up the cash which would make
the WSIS a viable forum.  So, do we really need them ??

Here are links to Linux Society WSIS documents, and the Thinman project where
Linux and its successors become the OS base of ICT operations.

http://www.thinman.com
http://thinman.dyndns.org/docs/wsis_Linux_society.html

John, President, Linux Society


> Stacy:
>
> ...oops sorry if I confused you.  Just because he has submitted a paper
> doesn't automatically give him the right to make a presentation (or that he
> is attending).

***No we are not accredited and attending will depend on funds and available
time.

> (...when you are dealing with the whole world the number of hoops you have
> to jump through to get heard would make your head swim :-)
>
> Nevertheless, no harm done.  If he responds you might ask if he is
> accredited and is attending, because I noticed that his paper is under the
> category of "misc." which includes a very informal "letter" from Canadian
> Journalists for Free Expression.  It may be that the summit is accepting
> "unaccredited" input.  If so, we need to find out!
>
> Scott
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Stacy Gildenston <stacy@...>
> To: john@... <john@...>
> Cc: Scottl <scottl@...>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@...>
> Subject: Hello From LPI
> Date: 08/08/03 20:13
>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > We noticed you are giving a presentation at WSIS, and thought we'd drop
> > you a note to say hello. Right now we are very likely going to be in
> > Geneva as well...and before hand, we'll be at TechX/PCExpo in NYC in
> > September...we'd love to get the chance to meet you and talk more about
> > what you are up to...learn more about how you are working with teenagers
> > and Linux.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -sg
> >
> > --
> > Stacy Gildenston
> > Director of Business Development
> > Linux Professional Institute
> > stacy@...
> > 603.430-9398  office
> > 603.498-2329  cell
> > 603.433-7590  fax
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


=====
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President, The Linux Society
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-society
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ThinMan is a registered trademark of CXN, Inc

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Nope, new mission though.

The Linux Society is gearing towards the new Information Society which is the
global span of the information technology to all peoples of the world.

Here are some Information Society Links

================
Kenya Youth
http://www.geocities.com/wainainam/index_files/projects.htm
================


================
Daily Nation Article
http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/10052003/Comment/Comment0.html
================

Managing the information society
Changes occasioned by the rapid globalisation and technology have led to calls
to manage properly the emerging information society.

Better governance, under the UN, is being pursued through the global
Information Society as well as a plan of action.

Through the International Telecommunications Union, the UN is organising a
World Summit for the Information Society in Geneva in December and in Tunis in
2005.

Kenya's civil society, for its part, is actively developing an information
society, although the Government and the private sector are yet to show any
commitment to the global information society management.

The summit's secretariat has called on Kenya's Government, private sector and
civil society to help prepare and attend the summits. Such representation would
take care of regional, national and special interests during the preparations.


================
Widening the economic gap between wealthy and poor nations
================

http://bmgt1-notes.umd.edu:8080/Faculty/KM/papers.nsf/66117572fd72b90685256a5600\
767089/fd1838f26759cabe85256d0c006b9ed1/$FILE/prometheus.pdf


> To study whether the Internet has the potential to do the same, this
> paper investigates the determinants of Internet diffusion and
> explores differences between developed and developing nations.


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I need hepl. I edit the /etc/inittab file and change the defult
runlevel to3 so it could boot into textmode, but wheen i did that i
won't allow me to start GUI apps i.e. gimp, ymessenger. i tried to
use the startx command but, after i do that  and try the gimp i get
this message (Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display) can anyone help?

Gee.. I never used the CDR tools

Just the basic scripts from cdrecord examples.

There is a cdrecord mailing list, they will help you for sure.

John



--- Ehab <hpy_azizy@...> wrote:
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>
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How can I over-write an updated files of a session over an old
session TO avoid full erase of cdw media.

How can I over-write an updated files of a session over an old
session TO avoid full erase of cdw media.

What is an Exploit and what can it do to my computer,
or firewall?

What is an Exploit and what can it do to my computer,
or firewall?

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That was an email to my prof.  Getting frustrated w/ these last millenium
systems, and 28.8 modem speed....

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